[00:00] http://ohno-polio.tumblr.com/post/24599718126 [00:23] oh man [00:24] you're so going to liveblog me hitting on you when you come here aren't you? ;( [00:38] it's impossible to not hit on SketchCow [00:38] he's so dashing [00:39] Sorry boys, he's married.... to ARCHIVING [00:40] R. Khiv [00:44] it's okay, we just like to flirt [01:50] I tried to go to leakedin (.org) yesterday, and instead ended up at leakedin.com , which is a pretty fascinating site in its own right [01:59] victory! http://pastebin.com/tf6RyVny [02:19] http://archive.org/details/memories-of-naid-dvd is good stuff regardless. [02:27] moar victory: http://pastie.org/4047862 [02:53] 72 hours of video are being uploaded to youtube every minute: [02:53] http://youtube-global.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/its-youtubes-7th-birthday-and-youve.html [02:53] and growing [02:54] and 99% of it is crap [03:39] I took all the books out a couple weeks ago and reboxed them. Brought some inside and put others nearer to the roof. [03:45] I took all the books out a couple weeks ago and reboxed them. Brought some inside and put others nearer to the roof. [03:45] deja vu [03:45] It might be too late for many, now that mold's gotten in [03:45] also, name a few filehosts, videohosts, etc [03:45] (that are commonly used) [03:46] But yeah, out of the garage and into *somewhere* [03:57] Mold isn't much of an issue, it's the bugs that damaged them [03:57] It's old paper; everything damages it [03:57] Yep. [03:58] http://jerkcity.com/_jerkcity4898.html [03:59] And here I thought I was the only Jerkcity reader alive [03:59] * Aranje laughs [04:00] * Aranje goes through the long and slow utorrent support channels [04:00] I love jerkcity <3 [04:00] http://jerkcity.com/_jerkcity4884.html [04:00] hahahaha [04:00] I had a script ages ago that would spit out random lines in random colors [04:00] Pity it was mirc-only :( [04:02] and puppets. [04:02] http://jerkcity.com/_jerkcity4880.html [04:04] http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/12/q3/e15/Windows8Setup.png always loved this [04:13] Coderjoe: The amount of financial support those guys can raise never fails to astound me [04:13] Yeah seriously. [04:15] yeah, rather crazy [04:16] I have to wonder if some of the high-level pledges are serious, or if they're going to bounce [04:16] it's like furries who spend $250+ on commissioned art [04:16] I never thought it was that big a group, but they can bang out many thousands of dollars no problem [04:17] undersco2: It's like combining the sheer enthusiasm of anime fans with adult bugets [04:17] haha [04:19] Wonder when we'll see the first anime kickstarter... [04:19] I dunno, I rather like the crowdfunded patronism thing [04:19] it's cool [04:23] 19:41:42 -!- dashcloud [~quassel@pool-173-75-233-245.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] [04:24] 19:53:56 < undersco2> 72 hours of video are being uploaded to youtube every minute: [04:24] my drunk ass transmuted those two lines to "72 hours of pool 2 girl are being uploaded to youtube every minute" [04:24] hahahahaha [04:24] I don't even [04:24] it's a defcon joke [04:25] http://pool2girl.com [04:26] aha [04:26] wait that was really a thing? [04:26] DEFCON Documentary: Too Hot for TV edition [04:27] undersco2: you are filming for the documentary, yes? you need to get tprophet to tell you about pool 2 girl. [04:27] haha, okay [04:28] tprophet is one of the apparently few people who has been to every defcon [04:28] he used to organize queercon [04:33] http://fichtre.net/yop.html [04:33] control-a [04:33] nsfw [04:34] lol win [04:35] 1518 lines of css holy shiite [04:35] ahaha [04:36] undersco2: Time for tipsy? :D [04:36] * Aranje hands you a bottle of brandy [04:36] * Aranje takes one for himself [04:36] :P [04:36] actually, I'm only 18, so [04:36] Yeah okay [04:37] I turn 22 in a few months time [04:42] Aranje: Are you TOP? [04:42] I can't remember [04:42] aha [04:42] nevermind [04:43] Never heard of 'em :> [04:43] pffft [04:43] liar [04:44] truths! [05:02] morning [05:02] undersco2: that is probably my favourite jerkcity ever [05:03] haha [05:04] http://pastie.org/4048361 [05:05] nice [05:05] joepie91: nice work :> [05:06] more suggestions for hosters to implement resolvers for, are welcome [05:06] in fact [05:06] more people to help writing resolvers is very welcome too [05:06] :P [05:07] git clone http://git.cryto.net/repo/projects/joepie91/resolv [05:07] joepie91: what is this [05:08] winr4r: resolver library I'm working on... input link of a filehoster, pastebin site, video hoster, url shortener, whatever [05:08] output is a direct link [05:08] getting tired of proper downloaders only being written in Java and eating my RAM for breakfast when I try to download something [05:08] so, decided to have a go at implementing resolvers in python [05:09] you're awesome [05:09] ^ not even sarcasm [05:10] crazy. a film kickstarter asking for only $500 [05:11] tricky thing will be captchas and progress reporting [05:11] may just use a hook idea for that [05:12] hook it into deathbycaptcha [05:12] ;D [05:13] Do your part to fund the less well-to-do [05:14] also [05:14] deathbycaptcha? [05:14] try resolving this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSGBVzeBUbk [05:14] http://www.deathbycaptcha.com/ [05:14] and you'll see it actually resolves *all* formats and qualities [05:14] it will return a list of versions [05:14] different quality and formats [05:14] nice! [05:14] err, dict* [05:29] http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20120606_On_video__teen_put_gun_to_his_head_after_challenge_to_his_manhood__cops_say.html [05:30] joepie91: that';s awesome [05:31] -; [05:31] joepie91: make the world a better place and add a command line tool to invoke wget to get the best quality version of a given file [05:32] elaborate [05:34] joepie91: it'd be download-shit.py and i'd ./download-shit.py http://www.mediafire.com/?7vb98xu7cobcif2 [05:35] should be pretty easy to write a wrapper around that [05:35] for that* [05:35] and it'd invoke wget to download the file rather than having to fire up python, import the library, then copy the download link into something else [05:35] it's a library lol [05:36] you're not supposed to seriously use it from a python shell [05:36] :P [05:36] it's supposed to be used for other people writing stuff like what you just described [05:36] joepie91: i think it'd see more use if there was a simple wrapper for it [05:36] do you know Python? [05:37] yes [05:37] then go ahead and write one :D [05:37] actually, no [05:37] I'm going to make a change first [05:40] holy shit [05:40] archive team downloaded the whole picplz [05:41] lol [05:45] remember when downloading geocities seemed like a big deal and now it's 3 terabytes of shit in a few days? [05:48] We accidentally the whole picplz [05:48] Yeah, true, now we would devastatate Geocities in a month [05:48] (Remember, they had weird limits and issues with bandwidth) [05:49] (yup) [06:22] winr4r [06:22] http://joepie91.cryto.net/trac/wiki/resolv [06:22] docs [06:23] hooah [06:26] why not write a simple wrapper, like the simple http server? [06:27] (see the bottom of http://docs.python.org/library/simplehttpserver.html ) [06:30] because it's a library [06:30] :P [06:32] if you want to write a simple http server that uses the library, by all means go ahead [07:28] http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/epic-fail-photos-engrish-funny-meanwhile-in-sweden1.jpg [07:39] http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/870179-REG/Canon_40mm_f_2_8_EF_Pancake.html [07:39] Wow, what's THIS [07:40] SketchCow: I just got that email, holy shit [07:40] f/2.8! [07:40] wat [07:41] http://www.bhphotovideo.com/indepth/canon/announcements/canons-new-ef-40mm-f28-pancake-lens-doesnt-waffle-quality [07:43] so, does anyone know where my powershot a620 is? [07:48] hey, I found it [07:48] in an otherwise empty cardboard box on a shelf [07:48] I know where it is. [07:48] amazing what you can accomplish when you get off your fat ass and do something [07:49] you say that..... [07:49] until a few weeks ago, in my entire long 29 years, I hadn't had a project I concidered successful. [07:49] I think maybe all that failure broke my head. [07:51] next hurdle is building a camera and light mount to attach it to the floppy autoloader [08:27] sorry [08:27] I participate in the archival process because I do think that it's important to keep a record of "humanity" [08:27] Right, What I'm saying is, if a User agreed to give up their rights, well more fool them. That doesn't mean these dodgy ToS which hide shit are morally right. [08:28] I'm just not sure what rights we have as archivers and when we should remove things [08:28] swhitt: possibly deny access for X years? [08:28] but that decreases utility significantly [08:29] I mean, what would happen if we lost records of concentration camps [08:29] or xyz atrocity because people were concerned about legality in their regime [08:29] Yeah. I don't know the answer to that :( Its bigger than all of us [08:30] godwin did not take long, jesus [08:30] Coderjoe: if facebook said what you quoted in #archiveteam then yeah, the user retains the copyright [08:30] haha [08:30] Never delete. [08:30] but for a long time it wasn't like that [08:31] Schbirid: I did that on purpose. [08:31] it was "You upload it, it legally becomes ours, we OWN YOUR SHIT". [08:31] SmileyG: i don't know offhand if facebook does, but it is something that is fairly common on photo hosting sites [08:31] SmileyG: proof for that statement? [08:31] who owns copyright of this chat log? [08:31] Yeah, sometimes reading a EULA like a layman bring out stupid shit [08:31] do each of us own copyright of our individual statements? [08:31] did that tos archival/diff site ever come to life or was that some foggy memory i have [08:31] swhitt: yes [08:32] so if I archived it, it would be illegal if you told me I could not retain copies of it? [08:32] By posting User Content to any part of the Site, you automatically grant, and you represent and warrant that you have the right to grant, to the Company an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, transferable, fully paid, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense) to use, copy, publicly perform, publicly display, reformat, translate, excerpt (in whole or in part) and distribute such User Content for any ... [08:32] ... purpose, commercial, advertising, or otherwise, on or in connection with the Site or the promotion thereof, [08:32] I wonder how much battery leakage corrosion has happened in my poor A620 [08:32] If you're a business, and especially if you're in the united retardness of america - you do want to have a juicy EULA. Like, a paragraph saying you as a company has a right to display the images (for the service to work) [08:32] Fuck, why did I start to read this [08:32] swhitt: transferring the lines probably implies some rights to distribute etc. ask a lawyer [08:32] ersi! [08:33] I would guess there's some sort of intent involved [08:33] yeah [08:33] They never fully take ownership, just the rights to do what ever the hell they want with them :D [08:33] ersi: :D [08:33] "on or in connection with the Site or the promotion thereof" drastically limits it [08:34] I hate this discussion with a passion [08:34] ersi: sorry [08:34] If you love it so much, go become librarians or full time archivists [08:34] ersi: welcome to the club [08:34] my fault :( [08:34] and you can collect dust for centuries [08:34] I was honestly just curious about legalities/morality of archiving tabblos that the creators didn't want archived [08:34] but don't make me stop you for talking about it, I'm glad you're in #archiveteam-bs though :) [08:35] I'll throw this straw man out there; Maybe they shouldn't have posted it on the interwebs then [08:35] swhitt: one can archive just fine, publication/distribution is an issue though [08:35] [09:36:22] < ersi> I'll throw this straw man out there; Maybe they shouldn't have posted it on the interwebs then [08:35] YEY [08:35] We have a winner [08:35] didn't sergey brin say something to that effect [08:35] People. Should. Be. Responsible. For. What. They. Do. Online. [08:35] posted on the public interwebs [08:36] and didn't it cause complete nationwide outrage? [08:36] it isn't like we hacked into the server to get shit. we didn't even have to log into the site, iirc [08:36] right [08:36] swhitt: until now, people with money have had the power to make things "disappear". [08:36] But then again, I do believe that it's common decency to NOT distribute someone elses work if they genuinely do not want it. [08:36] people are still learning teh intarwebs [08:36] swhitt: yeah [08:36] they don't realize that if they post a picture of their cock on /r/gonewild that it will be forever imbedded in the us government's national archives [08:36] :D [08:37] *embedded [08:37] implanted? [08:37] inserted. [08:37] can we get that in the topic? [08:37] it wasn't that insightful [08:38] But I mean, this is sort of like saying people on Social Networks shouldn't expect *any* privacy. Just because they're on a social network, and do share their lives - doesn't mean you one can re-publicate all that or share information about them - just because they're sharing some parts of their lifes with a larger circle [08:38] Hm, not "shouldn't expect" - In my opinion, they should never expect that. But I meant it more like "their privacy is void, everywhere" [08:38] ersi: [08:38] so if you walk into the street [08:39] and that's fucking retarded [08:39] take a photo, and someone happened to drive past, you CAN'T post that photo anywhere? [08:39] because someone is in it? [08:39] Oh yeah ok, you missed your negitive :D [08:39] That's another story, that's just one event [08:39] ersi: take more photos? [08:39] if they wanted to restrict it, they should have restricted the access to the people they wanted to share it with. [08:39] ersi: yeah, it's kind of weird. when twitter started, the first people on their didn't expect what they said to become part of the public record in 2012 [08:39] and hope that those people won't re-share [08:39] If you're following someone around and take pictures, you're stalking someone. [08:40] but now there are people trying to record the entire twitter firehose for eternity [08:40] If you stalk someone and publicate their whereabouts or pictures of them, it's harassment [08:40] ersi: I just stood in my street [08:40] they happened to provide it all in one place. [08:40] what about future harassment [08:40] *If* they feel harassed, that is. [08:40] s/publicate/publish/ [08:40] ersi: you give up the right to feel harrassed when you publish your location. [08:40] We can bang different analogies for different things against each other for all eternity [08:41] we might not have the technology to place everything together now, but in 30 years with advanced search tech and cross-referencing multiple data sources, all of those archives make it easier [08:41] ok, i am out [08:41] we've still missed the fucking point [08:41] * SmileyG ponders what the point is. [08:41] ersi: what's the point? [08:41] Its legally grey area, but feels morally wrong? [08:41] it sometimes feels morally wrong but most of the time it feels like the right thing [08:42] I'm sure some of the picplz images we archived are child porn [08:42] I'm sure some of hte pirate bay is childporn too. [08:43] hell I bet some of the 49 gigs I pulled through my box was porn [08:43] of an illegal nature [08:43] a number of the stage6 content I managed to get happened to be music videos, some (non-PD) movies, and a few TV shows and anime episodes [08:43] Regardless if it's legal or not, I find it decent to stop distributing something that someone else has created - if they ask you to stop. The content will still be there. This wasn't the point, but SmileyG made it into some fucking pissing competition with analogies [08:43] ersi: [08:43] I've put that moron on ignore once again [08:44] *I*. Suggested that you stop distrobuting it for a number of years, or forever. [08:44] because he pisses me off [08:44] Yey, talking about people on ignore ;#D [08:44] I hope I don't piss you off [08:44] but I didn't hand-pick the items. I threw keywords at the downloader and let the individual workers randomly grab videos. [08:44] I'm genuinely intellectually curious about these issues [08:45] swhitt: You don't piss me off [08:45] swhitt: I guess he didn't like the fact I had a valid point? [08:45] :/ [08:45] I think at some point we're all going to have to face these issues [08:45] and it's of course okay to talk about these things (as long as not in #archiveteam ;) ) - it's very difficult though [08:45] Shame, I'm enjoying this discussion too. [08:45] but I agree it's best to archive everything now and deal with the legal ramifications later [08:46] although that tabblo email made me wince a bit [08:46] it's usually easier to ask for forgiveness, than to ask for permission. [08:46] grace hopper? [08:47] for that one tabblo complaint, there are dozens of thank-yous [08:47] Coderjoe: 100 rights does not fix a wrong, though [08:47] There will always be someone who says no, if int fact JUST to say no [08:47] 100 no's dont make the yes worth any less. [08:47] although a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down :D [08:47] so we should do nothing, for fear of doing one wrong? [08:47] Coderjoe: no, not at all [08:47] swhitt: yeah [08:48] also, what's best for 1 person is not what's best for humanity (sometimes) [08:48] bleh. I should get to bed [08:48] me too [08:49] I feel like a clichÃ© [08:49] lol [08:49] who am i gonna talk to now :( [08:49] it's almost 4am [08:49] another grace hopper quote: "A ship in port is safe; but that is not what ships are built for. Sail out to sea and do new things." [08:49] esri: Archive Team should make "the more you know" videos with quotes like that [08:49] thats beautiful [08:50] She was the one in the Navy? [08:50] what usually pisses me off, and I guess to some extent other #archiveteam people - is that if we talk about these (very difficult things) - we'll be cought up JUST talking. And in my opinion, archiveteam is about doing. [08:50] swhitt: hah, go for it :) [08:50] s/cought/caught/ [08:50] she was a rear admiral in the navy and a computer scientist [08:51] ersi: yeah, I get that. [08:51] hopefully in 100 years our ancestors will find the secrets of life in the picplz archive and they will name us heros [08:52] I do feel it's a nice compromise that things/items submitted to Internet Archive can go "dark", if someone is sad/butthurt about we saving their bacon though [08:52] I feel prouder over GeoCities, FortuneCity and Yahoo Video though :) [08:52] yeah, all three of those were far more culturally relevant [08:52] I didn't get involved until now though, so I can only wish :) [08:55] things do die, there'll be plenty more to save as much of possible of :p [08:56] the mobileme archive is massive [08:56] oh yeah, indeed. that's a clunker [08:56] largest AT project ever [13:32] http://users.asciicharismatic.org/GLaDOS/scr/misc._0154.png hahaha why [13:33] is that like, a firefox persona [13:33] and why would anyone even [13:44] oh my [13:44] burn it with fire [13:44] or lazers [13:51] Soak it in gasoline [13:52] MAKE IT SUFFER [13:56] * winr4r offers yahoo t-shirts to all [13:56] good afternoon, folks [14:38] yoho [14:40] Right [14:59] Thanks :) [14:59] Anyways... [15:00] * SmileyG suddenly ponders old games [15:02] what about an archive of scam emails? [15:02] Mockingjay (The Final Book of The Hunger Games) [Kindle Edition] $ 57.99 [15:02] Sold By: Random House Digital, Inc. [15:02] yes.... because someone would pay $57.99 for a kindle edition of a book lol [15:04] lol [15:04] Would be a good idea to try and preserve all the spam in my Gmail inbox, Google removes it after a certain amount of time :( [15:05] :D [15:05] the latest batch to hit me are in Russian [15:05] Subject: [15:05] hostmaster is your new friend! [15:05] o_O [15:06] Ð aÐ·ÑÐµÑÐ¸ÑÐµÐ»ÑÐ½Ð°Ñ Ð´oÐºÑÐ¼eÐ½ÑaÑÐ¸Ñ Ð² cÑpoÐ¸ÑÐµÐ»ÑÑÑÐ²Ðµ oÑ A Ð´o Ð¯ [15:06] easiest way to archive spam is to.. host mail somewhere else than Gmail :D [15:06] You'll get tons [15:06] Poszukujemy zdalnych pracownikow do pracy na akord z wynagrodzeniem 95 EUR za 1 godzine. [15:06] Yeah I could just setup an inbox on my VPS and put my e-mail on heaps of sites, exposed. [15:06] then sign up for everything I can and wait for their database to get hacked and released. [15:07] somewhere, i have spam from 2005-ish [15:07] Apparently that subject line I pasted is in Polish [15:07] before i got the gmail [15:07] I get a lot of spam now that I don't use Gmail anymore [15:07] translated to: Poszukujemy zdalnych pracownikow do pracy na akord z wynagrodzeniem 95 EUR za 1 godzine. (We are looking for remote workers to work at piece rates of pay EUR 95 for 1 hour.) [15:08] omg [15:08] The sum of Three Hundred Thousand Dollars ($300,000.00 USD) has been [15:08] deposited here in WESTERN UNION OFFICE by the United Nations Organization. [15:08] this looks legit [15:08] Yeah [15:09] Just e-mailing them now [15:13] My hotmail account is a cesspit of spam too. Not only spam from those sorts of people but spam from family and friends who send chain mail. Since a lot of it doesn't land in the spam inbox it is a little archive in of itself :P [15:13] oh [15:13] I don't get email from family. [15:14] people don't send me chain mail anymore [15:14] I never gave out my gmail inbox, except to my Father and haven't had any problems :D [15:32] Hi Sketchy [15:32] chronomex: ops plase [15:32] morning jason [15:32] Press X to JASON [15:32] lol [15:33] You don't have a BNC, Jason? [15:33] he got netsplitted [15:33] D: [15:35] brayden gets to tell me who the hell he is now. [15:35] swhitt too. [15:35] I don't know. [15:37] I randomly found a DEFCON video of you. [15:37] Liked it. [15:37] found archiveteam [15:37] lurked on IRC [15:37] OK. [15:38] :) [15:39] Also, I found your DEFCON videos to be great. Informative with a bit of a comedic edge from how informal it is presented. Much more interesting than watching someone stand up for an hour and talk about cloud hosting or something. [15:39] Or rather, DEFCON presentations, I meant :P [15:40] Appreciated. [15:43] I follow you around like a groupie. Also I love textfiles.com. [15:44] lol [15:48] I basically suck at computers compared to these guys but if I can suck less at anything to help the Scott then I will do so. [15:48] yeah that's enough outta me [15:49] Hey man, having a *nix box and being able to git pull and run a shell script is plenty useful :> [15:49] Aranje I don't even have that :| [15:49] I have horrible *nix luck [15:49] So you're a cheerleader? [15:49] That's is still important :D [15:49] Yes, I will happily open my hairy man legs at SketchCow [15:49] Beatings will continue until morale improves and all that [15:50] lol [15:50] I've got a few things [15:50] but they're Linodes [15:50] Don't have the bandwidth and disk space for extensive archiving :( [15:50] Neither do I sadly [15:50] Hell if I could host a textfiles.com mirror I would [15:50]