#archiveteam-bs 2012-06-08,Fri

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Time Nickname Message
00:00 🔗 SketchCow http://ohno-polio.tumblr.com/post/24599718126
00:23 🔗 winr4r oh man
00:24 🔗 winr4r you're so going to liveblog me hitting on you when you come here aren't you? ;(
00:38 🔗 undersco2 it's impossible to not hit on SketchCow
00:38 🔗 undersco2 he's so dashing
00:39 🔗 SketchCow Sorry boys, he's married.... to ARCHIVING
00:40 🔗 yipdw R. Khiv
00:44 🔗 undersco2 it's okay, we just like to flirt
01:50 🔗 dashcloud I tried to go to leakedin (.org) yesterday, and instead ended up at leakedin.com , which is a pretty fascinating site in its own right
01:59 🔗 joepie91 victory! http://pastebin.com/tf6RyVny
02:19 🔗 SketchCow http://archive.org/details/memories-of-naid-dvd is good stuff regardless.
02:27 🔗 joepie91 moar victory: http://pastie.org/4047862
02:53 🔗 undersco2 72 hours of video are being uploaded to youtube every minute:
02:53 🔗 undersco2 http://youtube-global.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/its-youtubes-7th-birthday-and-youve.html
02:53 🔗 Coderjoe and growing
02:54 🔗 Coderjoe and 99% of it is crap
03:39 🔗 Aranje I took all the books out a couple weeks ago and reboxed them. Brought some inside and put others nearer to the roof.
03:45 🔗 Aranje I took all the books out a couple weeks ago and reboxed them. Brought some inside and put others nearer to the roof.
03:45 🔗 joepie91 deja vu
03:45 🔗 shaqfu It might be too late for many, now that mold's gotten in
03:45 🔗 joepie91 also, name a few filehosts, videohosts, etc
03:45 🔗 joepie91 (that are commonly used)
03:46 🔗 shaqfu But yeah, out of the garage and into *somewhere*
03:57 🔗 Aranje Mold isn't much of an issue, it's the bugs that damaged them
03:57 🔗 shaqfu It's old paper; everything damages it
03:57 🔗 Aranje Yep.
03:58 🔗 undersco2 http://jerkcity.com/_jerkcity4898.html
03:59 🔗 shaqfu And here I thought I was the only Jerkcity reader alive
03:59 🔗 * Aranje laughs
04:00 🔗 * Aranje goes through the long and slow utorrent support channels
04:00 🔗 undersco2 I love jerkcity <3
04:00 🔗 undersco2 http://jerkcity.com/_jerkcity4884.html
04:00 🔗 undersco2 hahahaha
04:00 🔗 shaqfu I had a script ages ago that would spit out random lines in random colors
04:00 🔗 shaqfu Pity it was mirc-only :(
04:02 🔗 Aranje and puppets.
04:02 🔗 Aranje http://jerkcity.com/_jerkcity4880.html
04:04 🔗 undersco2 http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/12/q3/e15/Windows8Setup.png always loved this
04:13 🔗 shaqfu Coderjoe: The amount of financial support those guys can raise never fails to astound me
04:13 🔗 Aranje Yeah seriously.
04:15 🔗 Coderjoe yeah, rather crazy
04:16 🔗 Coderjoe I have to wonder if some of the high-level pledges are serious, or if they're going to bounce
04:16 🔗 undersco2 it's like furries who spend $250+ on commissioned art
04:16 🔗 shaqfu I never thought it was that big a group, but they can bang out many thousands of dollars no problem
04:17 🔗 shaqfu undersco2: It's like combining the sheer enthusiasm of anime fans with adult bugets
04:17 🔗 undersco2 haha
04:19 🔗 shaqfu Wonder when we'll see the first anime kickstarter...
04:19 🔗 undersco2 I dunno, I rather like the crowdfunded patronism thing
04:19 🔗 undersco2 it's cool
04:23 🔗 chronomex 19:41:42 -!- dashcloud [~quassel@pool-173-75-233-245.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out]
04:24 🔗 chronomex 19:53:56 < undersco2> 72 hours of video are being uploaded to youtube every minute:
04:24 🔗 chronomex my drunk ass transmuted those two lines to "72 hours of pool 2 girl are being uploaded to youtube every minute"
04:24 🔗 undersco2 hahahahaha
04:24 🔗 undersco2 I don't even
04:24 🔗 chronomex it's a defcon joke
04:25 🔗 chronomex http://pool2girl.com
04:26 🔗 undersco2 aha
04:26 🔗 undersco2 wait that was really a thing?
04:26 🔗 shaqfu DEFCON Documentary: Too Hot for TV edition
04:27 🔗 chronomex undersco2: you are filming for the documentary, yes? you need to get tprophet to tell you about pool 2 girl.
04:27 🔗 undersco2 haha, okay
04:28 🔗 chronomex tprophet is one of the apparently few people who has been to every defcon
04:28 🔗 chronomex he used to organize queercon
04:33 🔗 undersco2 http://fichtre.net/yop.html
04:33 🔗 undersco2 control-a
04:33 🔗 undersco2 nsfw
04:34 🔗 Aranje lol win
04:35 🔗 Aranje 1518 lines of css holy shiite
04:35 🔗 undersco2 ahaha
04:36 🔗 Aranje undersco2: Time for tipsy? :D
04:36 🔗 * Aranje hands you a bottle of brandy
04:36 🔗 * Aranje takes one for himself
04:36 🔗 undersco2 :P
04:36 🔗 undersco2 actually, I'm only 18, so
04:36 🔗 Aranje Yeah okay
04:37 🔗 Aranje I turn 22 in a few months time
04:42 🔗 undersco2 Aranje: Are you TOP?
04:42 🔗 undersco2 I can't remember
04:42 🔗 undersco2 aha
04:42 🔗 undersco2 nevermind
04:43 🔗 Aranje Never heard of 'em :>
04:43 🔗 undersco2 pffft
04:43 🔗 undersco2 liar
04:44 🔗 Aranje truths!
05:02 🔗 winr4r morning
05:02 🔗 winr4r undersco2: that is probably my favourite jerkcity ever
05:03 🔗 undersco2 haha
05:04 🔗 joepie91 http://pastie.org/4048361
05:05 🔗 undersco2 nice
05:05 🔗 Aranje joepie91: nice work :>
05:06 🔗 joepie91 more suggestions for hosters to implement resolvers for, are welcome
05:06 🔗 joepie91 in fact
05:06 🔗 joepie91 more people to help writing resolvers is very welcome too
05:06 🔗 joepie91 :P
05:07 🔗 joepie91 git clone http://git.cryto.net/repo/projects/joepie91/resolv
05:07 🔗 winr4r joepie91: what is this
05:08 🔗 joepie91 winr4r: resolver library I'm working on... input link of a filehoster, pastebin site, video hoster, url shortener, whatever
05:08 🔗 joepie91 output is a direct link
05:08 🔗 joepie91 getting tired of proper downloaders only being written in Java and eating my RAM for breakfast when I try to download something
05:08 🔗 joepie91 so, decided to have a go at implementing resolvers in python
05:09 🔗 winr4r you're awesome
05:09 🔗 winr4r ^ not even sarcasm
05:10 🔗 Coderjoe crazy. a film kickstarter asking for only $500
05:11 🔗 joepie91 tricky thing will be captchas and progress reporting
05:11 🔗 joepie91 may just use a hook idea for that
05:12 🔗 undersco2 hook it into deathbycaptcha
05:12 🔗 undersco2 ;D
05:13 🔗 undersco2 Do your part to fund the less well-to-do
05:14 🔗 joepie91 also
05:14 🔗 joepie91 deathbycaptcha?
05:14 🔗 joepie91 try resolving this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSGBVzeBUbk
05:14 🔗 undersco2 http://www.deathbycaptcha.com/
05:14 🔗 joepie91 and you'll see it actually resolves *all* formats and qualities
05:14 🔗 joepie91 it will return a list of versions
05:14 🔗 joepie91 different quality and formats
05:14 🔗 undersco2 nice!
05:14 🔗 joepie91 err, dict*
05:29 🔗 S[h]O[r]T http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20120606_On_video__teen_put_gun_to_his_head_after_challenge_to_his_manhood__cops_say.html
05:30 🔗 winr4r joepie91: that';s awesome
05:31 🔗 winr4r -;
05:31 🔗 winr4r joepie91: make the world a better place and add a command line tool to invoke wget to get the best quality version of a given file
05:32 🔗 joepie91 elaborate
05:34 🔗 winr4r joepie91: it'd be download-shit.py and i'd ./download-shit.py http://www.mediafire.com/?7vb98xu7cobcif2
05:35 🔗 joepie91 should be pretty easy to write a wrapper around that
05:35 🔗 joepie91 for that*
05:35 🔗 winr4r and it'd invoke wget to download the file rather than having to fire up python, import the library, then copy the download link into something else
05:35 🔗 joepie91 it's a library lol
05:36 🔗 joepie91 you're not supposed to seriously use it from a python shell
05:36 🔗 joepie91 :P
05:36 🔗 joepie91 it's supposed to be used for other people writing stuff like what you just described
05:36 🔗 winr4r joepie91: i think it'd see more use if there was a simple wrapper for it
05:36 🔗 joepie91 do you know Python?
05:37 🔗 winr4r yes
05:37 🔗 joepie91 then go ahead and write one :D
05:37 🔗 joepie91 actually, no
05:37 🔗 joepie91 I'm going to make a change first
05:40 🔗 winr4r holy shit
05:40 🔗 winr4r archive team downloaded the whole picplz
05:41 🔗 joepie91 lol
05:45 🔗 winr4r remember when downloading geocities seemed like a big deal and now it's 3 terabytes of shit in a few days?
05:48 🔗 SketchCow We accidentally the whole picplz
05:48 🔗 SketchCow Yeah, true, now we would devastatate Geocities in a month
05:48 🔗 SketchCow (Remember, they had weird limits and issues with bandwidth)
05:49 🔗 winr4r (yup)
06:22 🔗 joepie91 winr4r
06:22 🔗 joepie91 http://joepie91.cryto.net/trac/wiki/resolv
06:22 🔗 joepie91 docs
06:23 🔗 winr4r hooah
06:26 🔗 Coderjoe why not write a simple wrapper, like the simple http server?
06:27 🔗 Coderjoe (see the bottom of http://docs.python.org/library/simplehttpserver.html )
06:30 🔗 joepie91 because it's a library
06:30 🔗 joepie91 :P
06:32 🔗 joepie91 if you want to write a simple http server that uses the library, by all means go ahead
07:28 🔗 chronomex http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/epic-fail-photos-engrish-funny-meanwhile-in-sweden1.jpg
07:39 🔗 SketchCow http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/870179-REG/Canon_40mm_f_2_8_EF_Pancake.html
07:39 🔗 SketchCow Wow, what's THIS
07:40 🔗 swhitt SketchCow: I just got that email, holy shit
07:40 🔗 swhitt f/2.8!
07:40 🔗 chronomex wat
07:41 🔗 SketchCow http://www.bhphotovideo.com/indepth/canon/announcements/canons-new-ef-40mm-f28-pancake-lens-doesnt-waffle-quality
07:43 🔗 Coderjoe so, does anyone know where my powershot a620 is?
07:48 🔗 Coderjoe hey, I found it
07:48 🔗 Coderjoe in an otherwise empty cardboard box on a shelf
07:48 🔗 swhitt I know where it is.
07:48 🔗 Coderjoe amazing what you can accomplish when you get off your fat ass and do something
07:49 🔗 SmileyG you say that.....
07:49 🔗 SmileyG until a few weeks ago, in my entire long 29 years, I hadn't had a project I concidered successful.
07:49 🔗 SmileyG I think maybe all that failure broke my head.
07:51 🔗 Coderjoe next hurdle is building a camera and light mount to attach it to the floppy autoloader
08:27 🔗 swhitt sorry
08:27 🔗 swhitt I participate in the archival process because I do think that it's important to keep a record of "humanity"
08:27 🔗 SmileyG Right, What I'm saying is, if a User agreed to give up their rights, well more fool them. That doesn't mean these dodgy ToS which hide shit are morally right.
08:28 🔗 swhitt I'm just not sure what rights we have as archivers and when we should remove things
08:28 🔗 SmileyG swhitt: possibly deny access for X years?
08:28 🔗 swhitt but that decreases utility significantly
08:29 🔗 swhitt I mean, what would happen if we lost records of concentration camps
08:29 🔗 swhitt or xyz atrocity because people were concerned about legality in their regime
08:29 🔗 SmileyG Yeah. I don't know the answer to that :( Its bigger than all of us
08:30 🔗 Schbirid godwin did not take long, jesus
08:30 🔗 SmileyG Coderjoe: if facebook said what you quoted in #archiveteam then yeah, the user retains the copyright
08:30 🔗 swhitt haha
08:30 🔗 ersi Never delete.
08:30 🔗 SmileyG but for a long time it wasn't like that
08:31 🔗 swhitt Schbirid: I did that on purpose.
08:31 🔗 SmileyG it was "You upload it, it legally becomes ours, we OWN YOUR SHIT".
08:31 🔗 Coderjoe SmileyG: i don't know offhand if facebook does, but it is something that is fairly common on photo hosting sites
08:31 🔗 Schbirid SmileyG: proof for that statement?
08:31 🔗 swhitt who owns copyright of this chat log?
08:31 🔗 ersi Yeah, sometimes reading a EULA like a layman bring out stupid shit
08:31 🔗 swhitt do each of us own copyright of our individual statements?
08:31 🔗 Schbirid did that tos archival/diff site ever come to life or was that some foggy memory i have
08:31 🔗 Schbirid swhitt: yes
08:32 🔗 swhitt so if I archived it, it would be illegal if you told me I could not retain copies of it?
08:32 🔗 SmileyG By posting User Content to any part of the Site, you automatically grant, and you represent and warrant that you have the right to grant, to the Company an irrevocable, perpetual, non-exclusive, transferable, fully paid, worldwide license (with the right to sublicense) to use, copy, publicly perform, publicly display, reformat, translate, excerpt (in whole or in part) and distribute such User Content for any ...
08:32 🔗 SmileyG ... purpose, commercial, advertising, or otherwise, on or in connection with the Site or the promotion thereof,
08:32 🔗 Coderjoe I wonder how much battery leakage corrosion has happened in my poor A620
08:32 🔗 ersi If you're a business, and especially if you're in the united retardness of america - you do want to have a juicy EULA. Like, a paragraph saying you as a company has a right to display the images (for the service to work)
08:32 🔗 ersi Fuck, why did I start to read this
08:32 🔗 Schbirid swhitt: transferring the lines probably implies some rights to distribute etc. ask a lawyer
08:32 🔗 Schbirid ersi!
08:33 🔗 swhitt I would guess there's some sort of intent involved
08:33 🔗 swhitt yeah
08:33 🔗 SmileyG They never fully take ownership, just the rights to do what ever the hell they want with them :D
08:33 🔗 SmileyG ersi: :D
08:33 🔗 Schbirid "on or in connection with the Site or the promotion thereof" drastically limits it
08:34 🔗 ersi I hate this discussion with a passion
08:34 🔗 swhitt ersi: sorry
08:34 🔗 ersi If you love it so much, go become librarians or full time archivists
08:34 🔗 Coderjoe ersi: welcome to the club
08:34 🔗 swhitt my fault :(
08:34 🔗 ersi and you can collect dust for centuries
08:34 🔗 swhitt I was honestly just curious about legalities/morality of archiving tabblos that the creators didn't want archived
08:34 🔗 ersi but don't make me stop you for talking about it, I'm glad you're in #archiveteam-bs though :)
08:35 🔗 ersi I'll throw this straw man out there; Maybe they shouldn't have posted it on the interwebs then
08:35 🔗 Schbirid swhitt: one can archive just fine, publication/distribution is an issue though
08:35 🔗 SmileyG [09:36:22] < ersi> I'll throw this straw man out there; Maybe they shouldn't have posted it on the interwebs then
08:35 🔗 SmileyG YEY
08:35 🔗 SmileyG We have a winner
08:35 🔗 swhitt didn't sergey brin say something to that effect
08:35 🔗 SmileyG People. Should. Be. Responsible. For. What. They. Do. Online.
08:35 🔗 Coderjoe posted on the public interwebs
08:36 🔗 swhitt and didn't it cause complete nationwide outrage?
08:36 🔗 Coderjoe it isn't like we hacked into the server to get shit. we didn't even have to log into the site, iirc
08:36 🔗 swhitt right
08:36 🔗 SmileyG swhitt: until now, people with money have had the power to make things "disappear".
08:36 🔗 ersi But then again, I do believe that it's common decency to NOT distribute someone elses work if they genuinely do not want it.
08:36 🔗 swhitt people are still learning teh intarwebs
08:36 🔗 SmileyG swhitt: yeah
08:36 🔗 swhitt they don't realize that if they post a picture of their cock on /r/gonewild that it will be forever imbedded in the us government's national archives
08:36 🔗 SmileyG :D
08:37 🔗 swhitt *embedded
08:37 🔗 swhitt implanted?
08:37 🔗 swhitt inserted.
08:37 🔗 SmileyG can we get that in the topic?
08:37 🔗 swhitt it wasn't that insightful
08:38 🔗 ersi But I mean, this is sort of like saying people on Social Networks shouldn't expect *any* privacy. Just because they're on a social network, and do share their lives - doesn't mean you one can re-publicate all that or share information about them - just because they're sharing some parts of their lifes with a larger circle
08:38 🔗 ersi Hm, not "shouldn't expect" - In my opinion, they should never expect that. But I meant it more like "their privacy is void, everywhere"
08:38 🔗 SmileyG ersi:
08:38 🔗 SmileyG so if you walk into the street
08:39 🔗 ersi and that's fucking retarded
08:39 🔗 SmileyG take a photo, and someone happened to drive past, you CAN'T post that photo anywhere?
08:39 🔗 SmileyG because someone is in it?
08:39 🔗 SmileyG Oh yeah ok, you missed your negitive :D
08:39 🔗 ersi That's another story, that's just one event
08:39 🔗 SmileyG ersi: take more photos?
08:39 🔗 Coderjoe if they wanted to restrict it, they should have restricted the access to the people they wanted to share it with.
08:39 🔗 swhitt ersi: yeah, it's kind of weird. when twitter started, the first people on their didn't expect what they said to become part of the public record in 2012
08:39 🔗 Coderjoe and hope that those people won't re-share
08:39 🔗 ersi If you're following someone around and take pictures, you're stalking someone.
08:40 🔗 swhitt but now there are people trying to record the entire twitter firehose for eternity
08:40 🔗 ersi If you stalk someone and publicate their whereabouts or pictures of them, it's harassment
08:40 🔗 SmileyG ersi: I just stood in my street
08:40 🔗 SmileyG they happened to provide it all in one place.
08:40 🔗 swhitt what about future harassment
08:40 🔗 ersi *If* they feel harassed, that is.
08:40 🔗 Coderjoe s/publicate/publish/
08:40 🔗 SmileyG ersi: you give up the right to feel harrassed when you publish your location.
08:40 🔗 ersi We can bang different analogies for different things against each other for all eternity
08:41 🔗 swhitt we might not have the technology to place everything together now, but in 30 years with advanced search tech and cross-referencing multiple data sources, all of those archives make it easier
08:41 🔗 Schbirid ok, i am out
08:41 🔗 ersi we've still missed the fucking point
08:41 🔗 * SmileyG ponders what the point is.
08:41 🔗 swhitt ersi: what's the point?
08:41 🔗 SmileyG Its legally grey area, but feels morally wrong?
08:41 🔗 swhitt it sometimes feels morally wrong but most of the time it feels like the right thing
08:42 🔗 swhitt I'm sure some of the picplz images we archived are child porn
08:42 🔗 SmileyG I'm sure some of hte pirate bay is childporn too.
08:43 🔗 swhitt hell I bet some of the 49 gigs I pulled through my box was porn
08:43 🔗 swhitt of an illegal nature
08:43 🔗 Coderjoe a number of the stage6 content I managed to get happened to be music videos, some (non-PD) movies, and a few TV shows and anime episodes
08:43 🔗 ersi Regardless if it's legal or not, I find it decent to stop distributing something that someone else has created - if they ask you to stop. The content will still be there. This wasn't the point, but SmileyG made it into some fucking pissing competition with analogies
08:43 🔗 SmileyG ersi:
08:43 🔗 ersi I've put that moron on ignore once again
08:44 🔗 SmileyG *I*. Suggested that you stop distrobuting it for a number of years, or forever.
08:44 🔗 ersi because he pisses me off
08:44 🔗 SmileyG Yey, talking about people on ignore ;#D
08:44 🔗 swhitt I hope I don't piss you off
08:44 🔗 Coderjoe but I didn't hand-pick the items. I threw keywords at the downloader and let the individual workers randomly grab videos.
08:44 🔗 swhitt I'm genuinely intellectually curious about these issues
08:45 🔗 ersi swhitt: You don't piss me off
08:45 🔗 SmileyG swhitt: I guess he didn't like the fact I had a valid point?
08:45 🔗 SmileyG :/
08:45 🔗 swhitt I think at some point we're all going to have to face these issues
08:45 🔗 ersi and it's of course okay to talk about these things (as long as not in #archiveteam ;) ) - it's very difficult though
08:45 🔗 SmileyG Shame, I'm enjoying this discussion too.
08:45 🔗 swhitt but I agree it's best to archive everything now and deal with the legal ramifications later
08:46 🔗 swhitt although that tabblo email made me wince a bit
08:46 🔗 ersi it's usually easier to ask for forgiveness, than to ask for permission.
08:46 🔗 swhitt grace hopper?
08:47 🔗 Coderjoe for that one tabblo complaint, there are dozens of thank-yous
08:47 🔗 swhitt Coderjoe: 100 rights does not fix a wrong, though
08:47 🔗 SmileyG There will always be someone who says no, if int fact JUST to say no
08:47 🔗 SmileyG 100 no's dont make the yes worth any less.
08:47 🔗 swhitt although a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down :D
08:47 🔗 Coderjoe so we should do nothing, for fear of doing one wrong?
08:47 🔗 swhitt Coderjoe: no, not at all
08:47 🔗 ersi swhitt: yeah
08:48 🔗 swhitt also, what's best for 1 person is not what's best for humanity (sometimes)
08:48 🔗 Coderjoe bleh. I should get to bed
08:48 🔗 swhitt me too
08:49 🔗 swhitt I feel like a cliché
08:49 🔗 SmileyG lol
08:49 🔗 SmileyG who am i gonna talk to now :(
08:49 🔗 swhitt it's almost 4am
08:49 🔗 ersi another grace hopper quote: "A ship in port is safe; but that is not what ships are built for. Sail out to sea and do new things."
08:49 🔗 swhitt esri: Archive Team should make "the more you know" videos with quotes like that
08:49 🔗 SmileyG thats beautiful
08:50 🔗 SmileyG She was the one in the Navy?
08:50 🔗 ersi what usually pisses me off, and I guess to some extent other #archiveteam people - is that if we talk about these (very difficult things) - we'll be cought up JUST talking. And in my opinion, archiveteam is about doing.
08:50 🔗 ersi swhitt: hah, go for it :)
08:50 🔗 ersi s/cought/caught/
08:50 🔗 swhitt she was a rear admiral in the navy and a computer scientist
08:51 🔗 swhitt ersi: yeah, I get that.
08:51 🔗 swhitt hopefully in 100 years our ancestors will find the secrets of life in the picplz archive and they will name us heros
08:52 🔗 ersi I do feel it's a nice compromise that things/items submitted to Internet Archive can go "dark", if someone is sad/butthurt about we saving their bacon though
08:52 🔗 ersi I feel prouder over GeoCities, FortuneCity and Yahoo Video though :)
08:52 🔗 swhitt yeah, all three of those were far more culturally relevant
08:52 🔗 swhitt I didn't get involved until now though, so I can only wish :)
08:55 🔗 ersi things do die, there'll be plenty more to save as much of possible of :p
08:56 🔗 swhitt the mobileme archive is massive
08:56 🔗 ersi oh yeah, indeed. that's a clunker
08:56 🔗 ersi largest AT project ever
13:32 🔗 GLaDOS http://users.asciicharismatic.org/GLaDOS/scr/misc._0154.png hahaha why
13:33 🔗 winr4r is that like, a firefox persona
13:33 🔗 winr4r and why would anyone even
13:44 🔗 ersi oh my
13:44 🔗 ersi burn it with fire
13:44 🔗 ersi or lazers
13:51 🔗 GLaDOS Soak it in gasoline
13:52 🔗 GLaDOS MAKE IT SUFFER
13:56 🔗 * winr4r offers yahoo t-shirts to all
13:56 🔗 winr4r good afternoon, folks
14:38 🔗 SmileyG yoho
14:40 🔗 SmileyG Right
14:59 🔗 ersi Thanks :)
14:59 🔗 SmileyG Anyways...
15:00 🔗 * SmileyG suddenly ponders old games
15:02 🔗 SmileyG what about an archive of scam emails?
15:02 🔗 SmileyG Mockingjay (The Final Book of The Hunger Games) [Kindle Edition] $ 57.99
15:02 🔗 SmileyG Sold By: Random House Digital, Inc.
15:02 🔗 SmileyG yes.... because someone would pay $57.99 for a kindle edition of a book lol
15:04 🔗 brayden lol
15:04 🔗 brayden Would be a good idea to try and preserve all the spam in my Gmail inbox, Google removes it after a certain amount of time :(
15:05 🔗 SmileyG :D
15:05 🔗 brayden the latest batch to hit me are in Russian
15:05 🔗 SmileyG Subject:
15:05 🔗 SmileyG hostmaster is your new friend!
15:05 🔗 SmileyG o_O
15:06 🔗 SmileyG Рaзрешительная дoкумeнтaция в cтpoительстве oт A дo Я
15:06 🔗 ersi easiest way to archive spam is to.. host mail somewhere else than Gmail :D
15:06 🔗 ersi You'll get tons
15:06 🔗 brayden Poszukujemy zdalnych pracownikow do pracy na akord z wynagrodzeniem 95 EUR za 1 godzine.
15:06 🔗 brayden Yeah I could just setup an inbox on my VPS and put my e-mail on heaps of sites, exposed.
15:06 🔗 brayden then sign up for everything I can and wait for their database to get hacked and released.
15:07 🔗 winr4r somewhere, i have spam from 2005-ish
15:07 🔗 brayden Apparently that subject line I pasted is in Polish
15:07 🔗 winr4r before i got the gmail
15:07 🔗 ersi I get a lot of spam now that I don't use Gmail anymore
15:07 🔗 brayden translated to: Poszukujemy zdalnych pracownikow do pracy na akord z wynagrodzeniem 95 EUR za 1 godzine. (We are looking for remote workers to work at piece rates of pay EUR 95 for 1 hour.)
15:08 🔗 brayden omg
15:08 🔗 brayden The sum of Three Hundred Thousand Dollars ($300,000.00 USD) has been
15:08 🔗 brayden deposited here in WESTERN UNION OFFICE by the United Nations Organization.
15:08 🔗 winr4r this looks legit
15:08 🔗 brayden Yeah
15:09 🔗 brayden Just e-mailing them now
15:13 🔗 brayden My hotmail account is a cesspit of spam too. Not only spam from those sorts of people but spam from family and friends who send chain mail. Since a lot of it doesn't land in the spam inbox it is a little archive in of itself :P
15:13 🔗 winr4r oh
15:13 🔗 SmileyG I don't get email from family.
15:14 🔗 winr4r people don't send me chain mail anymore
15:14 🔗 brayden I never gave out my gmail inbox, except to my Father and haven't had any problems :D
15:32 🔗 BlueMax Hi Sketchy
15:32 🔗 SketchCow chronomex: ops plase
15:32 🔗 winr4r morning jason
15:32 🔗 BlueMax Press X to JASON
15:32 🔗 brayden lol
15:33 🔗 brayden You don't have a BNC, Jason?
15:33 🔗 winr4r he got netsplitted
15:33 🔗 brayden D:
15:35 🔗 SketchCow brayden gets to tell me who the hell he is now.
15:35 🔗 SketchCow swhitt too.
15:35 🔗 brayden I don't know.
15:37 🔗 brayden I randomly found a DEFCON video of you.
15:37 🔗 brayden Liked it.
15:37 🔗 brayden found archiveteam
15:37 🔗 brayden lurked on IRC
15:37 🔗 SketchCow OK.
15:38 🔗 winr4r :)
15:39 🔗 brayden Also, I found your DEFCON videos to be great. Informative with a bit of a comedic edge from how informal it is presented. Much more interesting than watching someone stand up for an hour and talk about cloud hosting or something.
15:39 🔗 brayden Or rather, DEFCON presentations, I meant :P
15:40 🔗 SketchCow Appreciated.
15:43 🔗 BlueMax I follow you around like a groupie. Also I love textfiles.com.
15:44 🔗 brayden lol
15:48 🔗 BlueMax I basically suck at computers compared to these guys but if I can suck less at anything to help the Scott then I will do so.
15:48 🔗 BlueMax yeah that's enough outta me
15:49 🔗 Aranje Hey man, having a *nix box and being able to git pull and run a shell script is plenty useful :>
15:49 🔗 BlueMax Aranje I don't even have that :|
15:49 🔗 BlueMax I have horrible *nix luck
15:49 🔗 Aranje So you're a cheerleader?
15:49 🔗 Aranje That's is still important :D
15:49 🔗 BlueMax Yes, I will happily open my hairy man legs at SketchCow
15:49 🔗 Aranje Beatings will continue until morale improves and all that
15:50 🔗 brayden lol
15:50 🔗 brayden I've got a few things
15:50 🔗 brayden but they're Linodes
15:50 🔗 brayden Don't have the bandwidth and disk space for extensive archiving :(
15:50 🔗 BlueMax Neither do I sadly
15:50 🔗 BlueMax Hell if I could host a textfiles.com mirror I would
15:50 🔗 Aranje linodes are fine, just don't run 100 seesaws at once
15:51 🔗 brayden Though.. for someone I do work for, there's a hetzner with lots and lots of disk space and bandwidth
15:51 🔗 brayden pretty much unused!
15:51 🔗 Aranje I stuck to 5 seesaws for picplz, only moved 60gb
15:51 🔗 Aranje not too shabby
15:52 🔗 GLaDOS And once you get a beast server with a 1.6GHz atom processor and 2G of RAM, you can run 64 at once!
15:52 🔗 GLaDOS And have it last 3 days before exploding!
15:53 🔗 Aranje :3
15:53 🔗 brayden holy crap the ping to my Linode stinks right now
15:53 🔗 * brayden makes a ticket
15:53 🔗 Aranje Hmm, our old infrastructure was on a first-gen atom with 2g ram
15:53 🔗 SketchCow BlueMax would look good in a cheerleader outfit, I bet.
15:53 🔗 Aranje we were hosting 20 sites or so though, and a minecraft server or three.
15:53 🔗 ersi haha
15:53 🔗 ersi I got a sweet VM host machine at work
15:54 🔗 BlueMax SketchCow, if I ever find a half decent tutu I'll be sure to send you the first snapshot
15:54 🔗 SketchCow Ripping on Bluemax's craven response to a letter made for the biggest laught at the defcon speech.
15:54 🔗 SketchCow Isn't that priceless
15:54 🔗 BlueMax Wait, are you serious?
15:54 🔗 ersi Intel Xeon E5645, 64GB memory and a few TB disk :]
15:54 🔗 brayden lol
15:54 🔗 Aranje nom nom
15:55 🔗 GLaDOS ersi: ...shush ;_:
15:55 🔗 ersi I mean, sure. It's nothing really.. But it's quite decent for 'developers need VMs! misc people needs VMs!'
15:55 🔗 ersi there's way cooler machines than that, but hey - it's awesome for me to fiddle with :D
15:55 🔗 * BlueMax aims his rifle at ersi.
15:55 🔗 BlueMax I would suggest essing the eff you.
15:56 🔗 ersi the storage is quite limited, if we'd have a SAN or a huge array of disks.. you know I'd "archiveteam up that bitch"
15:56 🔗 Aranje well but current smaller site downloaders rm the data after successful upload
15:57 🔗 Aranje diskspace for those isn't an issue, it seems
15:57 🔗 ersi I/O is an issue
15:57 🔗 ersi I'm not going to use that for at-business
15:57 🔗 GLaDOS I/O?
15:58 🔗 GLaDOS With that much RAM, all you need is a ramdisk!
15:58 🔗 ersi Yeah yeah
15:58 🔗 ersi and I meant IOps, not I/O per say
15:58 🔗 GLaDOS Ah.
15:58 🔗 Aranje I fail to understand where the limitation is
15:59 🔗 godane backing up x-play videos
15:59 🔗 godane got stuff from G4 E3 too
15:59 🔗 godane i'm such a pirate
15:59 🔗 ersi I do use a lot of disk on workstations and such at work
15:59 🔗 Aranje Something I'm missing about how resource contention works? Or is the box just under massive load all the time?
15:59 🔗 Schbirid youporn would be really easy to archive
15:59 🔗 ersi but I'm not going to use that VM host
16:00 🔗 ersi Aranje: It's a machine that hosts virtual machines. It doesn't have a lot of individual disks. So Input/Output per second is 'very limited'. It's not exactly SSDs that drives that
16:00 🔗 ersi though, that'd be sweet of course
16:01 🔗 brayden people using those VMs might appreciate not having the I/O eaten on the host
16:01 🔗 ersi indeed ^
16:01 🔗 Aranje oh so it's a problem of few physical disks and a good bit of random i/o access to them, alright
16:01 🔗 ersi and we do got like, 30-70 VMs running on that single machine :D
16:01 🔗 * Aranje has never tried hosting disk-bound apps on a vm
16:02 🔗 ersi Well, it doesn't matter much
16:02 🔗 ersi if you have enough VM's and things that write to disk (even if they aren't disk-bound) you'll go the roof pretty soon
16:02 🔗 ersi and THEN add a #at project.. yeah, you're smoked
16:04 🔗 Aranje haha, alright
16:05 🔗 ersi but it's a neat machine to play with ^_^
16:05 🔗 ersi well, our streaming servers are cooler imo
16:05 🔗 ersi hardware accelerated network/streaming with own flash storage and all :]]
16:06 🔗 Aranje :3
16:06 🔗 BlueMax ersi I'm so jelly
16:06 🔗 BlueMax but I don't know enough about computers to really use them
16:06 🔗 BlueMax :/
16:06 🔗 brayden oh god
16:06 🔗 brayden D:
16:07 🔗 brayden Getting like 500ms the node that the Linode instance is on
16:07 🔗 brayden I think it is being DDoSed by some evil hackers on steroids
16:07 🔗 ersi and I don't ever have to use windows :D
16:07 🔗 ersi I like work :3
16:07 🔗 Aranje (A much better benefit)
16:39 🔗 SketchCow http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/Nickelback.jpg
16:42 🔗 winr4r am i awful if i actually like one nickelback song?
16:42 🔗 godane i like alot of nickelback back in the early 2000s
16:42 🔗 godane when i was like 15
16:48 🔗 undersco2 http://kittiesandtitties.tumblr.com/
16:49 🔗 undersco2 oops
16:49 🔗 undersco2 typo'd
16:49 🔗 undersco2 http://kittiesntitties.tumblr.com/
16:49 🔗 undersco2 (nsfw)
16:50 🔗 BlueMax undersco2, really. really. :P
16:50 🔗 undersco2 :D
16:51 🔗 BlueMax fuck it. *click*
16:52 🔗 BlueMax RAPTOR HEAD. GODDAMNIT.
17:14 🔗 SketchCow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4NCnH7RPZY
17:19 🔗 undersco2 that's fantastic
17:19 🔗 winr4r yes
17:30 🔗 DFJustin <Schbirid> youporn would be really easy to archive <-- http://archive.org/search.php?query=collection%3Ayouporn.com&sort=-publicdate
17:33 🔗 undersco2 and now alard has the warc browser
17:33 🔗 undersco2 so you can have an offilne viewable copy
17:33 🔗 undersco2 :D
17:34 🔗 BlueMax Archive Team: WE ARE GOING TO RESCUE YOUR SHIT. AND PORN.
17:41 🔗 DFJustin mentally reading that last part in trekkie monster voice
17:45 🔗 godane where is the warc browser?
17:51 🔗 joepie91 wtf is up with novell breaking shit lately
17:51 🔗 joepie91 yesterday their whole login system died
17:52 🔗 joepie91 and the wiki links are still broken
18:21 🔗 undersco2 https://github.com/alard/warc-proxy
18:22 🔗 joepie91 stupid obs fuckery
18:22 🔗 joepie91 anyone here by any chance knows how to use setuptools in the opensuse build service?
18:22 🔗 joepie91 (when it is required to build a package)
18:26 🔗 BlueMax Wow, I just found a Vi reference sheet from 1989 in the Usenet archive
18:29 🔗 godane i'm trying the warc-proxy
18:29 🔗 godane its not working
18:29 🔗 godane http://warc/ doesn't work
18:29 🔗 godane localhost:8000 works though
18:40 🔗 undersco2 you have to set your browser proxy
18:43 🔗 godane what should be my settings?
18:44 🔗 undersco2 Set the HTTP proxy of your browser to localhost port 8000
18:44 🔗 undersco2 Visit http://warc/ and click on an URL
18:45 🔗 godane its working now
18:46 🔗 joepie91 whoo! http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/joepie91:/resolv/
19:01 🔗 SmileyG wooo
19:15 🔗 joepie91 urgh
19:15 🔗 joepie91 watching a build log
19:15 🔗 joepie91 is boring
19:29 🔗 SmileyG Well
19:29 🔗 SmileyG friend of mine just posted how picplz is closing and he has to move....
19:29 🔗 SmileyG So I linked him to the wiki to show what we are doing
19:59 🔗 shaqfu Yeesh; the more I read about digipres systems, the more I wonder why ZFS isn't standard
20:00 🔗 SmileyG on bsd?
20:01 🔗 shaqfu Across the field
20:01 🔗 SmileyG or on linux? because on linux..... well Oracle.
20:01 🔗 shaqfu Set up BSD/Illumos, never worry about fixity again
20:01 🔗 SmileyG and btrfs appently too
20:02 🔗 shaqfu btrfs is as aggressive about integrity? It's been years since I looked
20:02 🔗 SmileyG i beleive so
20:02 🔗 SmileyG its being touted as teh cure to the ZFS licencing problem..
20:03 🔗 shaqfu That'd be so wonderful
20:03 🔗 SmileyG i'm just sticking with ext3/4 for now.
20:03 🔗 shaqfu Getting ZFS-level data integrity on Linux would be such a huge deal
20:04 🔗 SmileyG Is there really no fs tha\t does atomic operations atm :/
20:29 🔗 winr4r SketchCow: http://www.tenox.tc/
20:29 🔗 winr4r if you don't already have a copy, i suspect you'll want to
20:34 🔗 SketchCow So adorable
20:35 🔗 winr4r it is all the unix!
20:35 🔗 Schbirid yumm! http://198.245.61.220/munin/myhostname/myhostname/if_eth0-day.png
20:42 🔗 Coderjoe http://liberumvir.com/2012/06/01/zfs-and-dtrace-running-on-ubuntu.html
20:43 🔗 Coderjoe though I am using zfs-fuse at the moment. it's ok, but it does have the fuse bottleneck.
20:43 🔗 Coderjoe also, you do not want to run zfs unless you have a reasonably fast processor. forget about it on an atom
20:43 🔗 shaqfu And loads of RAM
20:44 🔗 shaqfu IIRC the rule of thumb was 1GB per 1TB deduped data
20:45 🔗 Coderjoe i'm not using dedup
20:46 🔗 shaqfu Same; I just like it for the metaphysical issues it raises :)
20:46 🔗 Coderjoe but zfs-fuse spawns a ton of threads and completely swamped the system I first tried it on
20:46 🔗 Coderjoe (and I'm pretty sure the thread thing isn't limited to the fuse port of zfs)
20:46 🔗 shaqfu Hm, I never had processor issues running Nexenta
20:47 🔗 shaqfu (which I need to ditch - the package manager's dead)
20:47 🔗 Coderjoe cache size : 256 KB
20:47 🔗 Coderjoe cpu MHz : 1044.315
20:47 🔗 Coderjoe model name : AMD Athlon(tm)
20:47 🔗 Coderjoe stepping : 2
20:47 🔗 Coderjoe that was the first system I tried zfs-fuse on
20:48 🔗 shaqfu Hm, does ZFS-FUSE provide the same reliability as native?
20:49 🔗 Coderjoe well, it sets things up so the oom-killer won't kill it
20:50 🔗 Coderjoe and it runs as a regular daemon at boot, even if there are no zpools on the sytem (but in that case it doesn't need to do anything and probably exits until you add a zpool)
20:51 🔗 shaqfu Gotcha. Sounds like it doesn't support bootable ZFS, but that's not really a problem
20:52 🔗 SmileyG GNU/Kernel doesn't currently
20:52 🔗 SmileyG I know a guy working on it...
20:52 🔗 Coderjoe no, it doesn't, afaik
20:52 🔗 shaqfu Seems useful - much better than when I started using ZFS in '10
20:52 🔗 * SmileyG ponders whats wrong with grub on his router :(
20:52 🔗 Coderjoe i suppose if you wedged it into the initramfs, it might work
20:52 🔗 Aranje <3 zfs on fbsd
20:53 🔗 Coderjoe as long as you have a non-zfs /boot partition for grub (or whatever) to read the kernel and initramfs from
20:55 🔗 Aranje df says there's no such thing on it
20:55 🔗 * Aranje didn't set it up himself
20:56 🔗 Aranje [root@nagisa ~]# df -h
20:56 🔗 Aranje Filesystem Size Used Avail Capacity Mounted on
20:56 🔗 Aranje devfs 1.0k 1.0k 0B 100% /dev
20:56 🔗 Aranje procfs 4.0k 4.0k 0B 100% /proc
20:56 🔗 Aranje zmanor 224G 45G 179G 20% /
20:57 🔗 Aranje ahh, here we go: http://wiki.freebsd.org/RootOnZFS
20:57 🔗 Coderjoe Aranje: I was referring to linux. particularly without zfs support in the kernel itself or in grub
20:57 🔗 shaqfu BSD/Sol support bootable ZFS
20:57 🔗 Aranje Ahh, yes.
21:00 🔗 SmileyG ITS ALIVE \o/
21:01 🔗 shaqfu Hm?
21:10 🔗 SmileyG my router
21:10 🔗 SmileyG Oo, ops
21:10 🔗 joepie91 man, annoying cat is annoying
21:10 🔗 joepie91 MREEEOW
21:10 🔗 joepie91 MREEEEEEEOW
21:10 🔗 joepie91 >.>
21:10 🔗 SmileyG joepie91: hehe, my cats have that specaility to
21:10 🔗 joepie91 been doing that all night
21:10 🔗 joepie91 no idea why
21:10 🔗 joepie91 she has food
21:10 🔗 joepie91 she has water
21:10 🔗 SmileyG joepie91: does he know the sound of you getting a bowl out of the cuboard
21:10 🔗 SmileyG even when hes on teh other side of the PLANET?
21:11 🔗 joepie91 clean litter box
21:11 🔗 SmileyG bowl = cereal = MILK!
21:11 🔗 joepie91 SmileyG: hahaha
21:11 🔗 joepie91 close
21:11 🔗 joepie91 like
21:11 🔗 joepie91 when I go to sleep
21:11 🔗 joepie91 no matter how quiet I am
21:11 🔗 joepie91 the moment I'm in bed
21:11 🔗 shaqfu Quick question - any other free book repos other than PG?
21:11 🔗 joepie91 *mreeow* *jump*
21:11 🔗 joepie91 no matter where in the house she was
21:11 🔗 shaqfu That's nicely formatted for a variety of readers
21:12 🔗 SmileyG http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4aTagDSnclk joepie91
21:12 🔗 joepie91 shaqfu: free as in free beer, or free as in freedom?
21:12 🔗 SmileyG joepie91: ok, our 3 new cats (no longer kittens but still small)
21:12 🔗 SmileyG they ALL love going out in the rain and getting soaking wet
21:12 🔗 SmileyG then they come in
21:12 🔗 SmileyG one will sit quietly in the corner
21:12 🔗 shaqfu joepie91: Either or. Something I can download en masse
21:12 🔗 SmileyG however. One knows how to climb under the quilt..... lovely and warm that is XD
21:13 🔗 SmileyG the other; he headbutts your nose *REALLY* hard
21:13 🔗 joepie91 shaqfu: I need to fix my crawler so I can update it, but http://books.cryto.net/
21:13 🔗 joepie91 it doesn't have much right now because my crawler is borked for some reason
21:14 🔗 shaqfu joepie91: Snazzy, thanks
21:14 🔗 joepie91 actually, I'll have a look at the crawler right now
21:14 🔗 joepie91 SmileyG: lol, some talented cats there :P
21:14 🔗 SmileyG joepie91: oh and the oldest one who've we had for years, mr I can detect your going to have milk, tries to talk
21:15 🔗 SmileyG If you let him in, he'll look up at you, meow quietly and walk off
21:15 🔗 shaqfu joepie91: Take your time; I'm thinking of grabbing a load of Kindle-able books and loading them into LibraryBox
21:15 🔗 SmileyG like "Oh hai, thanks"
21:15 🔗 shaqfu Essentially as an instant library
21:15 🔗 joepie91 shaqfu: the crawler for cryto books basically uses a google dork to find exposed calibres
21:15 🔗 joepie91 then indexes those calibres
21:16 🔗 joepie91 pretty good source
21:16 🔗 joepie91 just they tend to die fairly quickly
21:17 🔗 shaqfu Gotcha
21:17 🔗 shaqfu I'll keep an eye on it, and also on resources with bulk downloads
21:18 🔗 shaqfu Speaking of libraries, gotta run - off to a meetup
21:18 🔗 joepie91 ok, ttyl
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