#archiveteam-bs 2012-06-21,Thu

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Time	Nickname	Message
00:15 ^🔗	Coderjoe	dashcloud: are you sure it wasn't because linus thought he could write better machine code than he thought a compiler could output?
00:15 ^🔗	Coderjoe	I wouldn't put it past him. he is very set in his "I am right. Everyone else is a moron." mentality
00:20 ^🔗	bsmith093	well, it seems to have worked so far
00:42 ^🔗	dashcloud	about the Linus comment- he didn't know that what he thought was assembler was actually what other people thought of as machine code- (this happened in the 90s)
00:42 ^🔗	dashcloud	if you haven't seen the talk, it's pretty good
00:43 ^🔗	dashcloud	you can watch Linus give the finger to Nvidia- literally, and he talks about his stance on people getting offended by what he says
05:26 ^🔗	Coderjoe	he says he's blunt because he needs to be, but that still doesn't excuse personal attacks such as calling someone an idiot/moron simply because the don't agree with him
06:04 ^🔗	ersi	indeed
08:39 ^🔗	*	Schbirid is playing IGN
08:39 ^🔗	Schbirid	/bin/rm -r planet*
08:39 ^🔗	Schbirid	:)
08:40 ^🔗	Schbirid	the tar.gz is downloading to the right server, i am excited and curious if archivemount will work
08:40 ^🔗	Schbirid	it is "just" 13GB
08:40 ^🔗	Schbirid	could have been much worse
09:38 ^🔗	winr4r	morning
09:51 ^🔗	noone	look, its Jason! http://www.youtube.com/watch?=zHkYGv6D2Bc&feature=player_detailpage#t=750s
09:52 ^🔗	winr4r	oh hi
09:52 ^🔗	ersi	harr harr
09:54 ^🔗	Schbirid	This video is unavailable.Sorry about that.
09:55 ^🔗	Schbirid	archivemount does not seem to happy
09:55 ^🔗	Schbirid	it takes ages
09:56 ^🔗	ersi	woot, it was available four min ago :o
09:56 ^🔗	winr4r	yeah, same
09:56 ^🔗	winr4r	wow
09:56 ^🔗	ersi	it was a scene from IT Crowd Season 1
09:56 ^🔗	ersi	or maybe it was from S2
09:56 ^🔗	BlueMax	Nah, it was S1
09:56 ^🔗	BlueMax	S1 E5
09:58 ^🔗	noone	shit, it just stop working
09:59 ^🔗	noone	maybe it will come back later
10:16 ^🔗	Schbirid	extracting took 10 hours, tar.gz 12, so i guess archivemounting will do so too :(
11:14 ^🔗	Schbirid	yeah, it seems to be working hard
11:14 ^🔗	Schbirid	still 100% cpu
11:15 ^🔗	Schbirid	i bet it will on ram
15:03 ^🔗	SketchCow	Ops, please.
15:09 ^🔗	winr4r	morning jason
15:11 ^🔗	SmileyG	hmm
15:11 ^🔗	SmileyG	need to add to autojoin Â¬_Â¬
15:12 ^🔗	winr4r	hi SmileyG, too
15:13 ^🔗	winr4r	i missed you guys :<
15:13 ^🔗	SmileyG	o/
15:14 ^🔗	SmileyG	I've been busy getting myself banned else where :P
15:14 ^🔗	winr4r	i've been working away
15:14 ^🔗	SmileyG	and fixed bitlbee irc <-> twitter :D
15:14 ^🔗	winr4r	19 hour days fuck yeah
15:14 ^🔗	winr4r	SmileyG: i did that!
15:14 ^🔗	SmileyG	ouch o_IO
15:14 ^🔗	winr4r	SmileyG: posted to twitter using windows 3.1
15:14 ^🔗	SmileyG	:D
15:15 ^🔗	SmileyG	Appently I can have facebook chat too, but I've not set thato ne up yet ;D
15:15 ^🔗	winr4r	https://twitter.com/lewiscollard/status/211543110604423168
15:16 ^🔗	winr4r	sadly, facebook didn't work too well in IE 5
15:16 ^🔗	winr4r	so i gave up on that idea
15:16 ^🔗	SmileyG	:D
15:16 ^🔗	SmileyG	well, bitlbee
15:16 ^🔗	SmileyG	who needs ie?
15:17 ^🔗	winr4r	wouldn't allow me to post to facebook proper
15:17 ^🔗	winr4r	also, facebook chat through jabber has been totally broken every time i've tried it
15:17 ^🔗	winr4r	wouldn't allow me = doesn't support
15:18 ^🔗	SmileyG	:D
15:18 ^🔗	SmileyG	o:
15:18 ^🔗	SmileyG	I heard you need to pull some data from the cookies etc.
15:18 ^🔗	SmileyG	then yeah I guess you might need ie if you were setting it up on thatm achine
15:19 ^🔗	DFJustin	what about the mobile version
15:19 ^🔗	winr4r	DFJustin: you know i don't think i even tried that
15:19 ^🔗	winr4r	LET'S TRY THAT
15:20 ^🔗	DFJustin	if it works on my dumbphone it probably works on ie5/ns4
15:21 ^🔗	winr4r	ah, no it doesn't
15:21 ^🔗	winr4r	it thinks i want to download m.facebook.com
15:21 ^🔗	winr4r	i wonder if i could chain them somehow
15:22 ^🔗	winr4r	like, if there's an IM-to-facebook gateway, go irc -> bitlbee -> IM -> facebook
15:22 ^🔗	winr4r	or i could get a life and/or work done
15:23 ^🔗	winr4r	how is everyone? :)
15:24 ^🔗	SketchCow	MORNNING
15:24 ^🔗	SketchCow	My next month is basically... booked.
15:24 ^🔗	SketchCow	So I'll be doing my best to make sure we have archiveteam business in order but I can't go full-day crazy
15:31 ^🔗	SmileyG	winr4r: in pain
15:31 ^🔗	SmileyG	had large filling this morning and now my face aches
15:31 ^🔗	SmileyG	tho tbh it was alot better than some i've had in the past
15:35 ^🔗	Schbirid	uhm, could someone with s3cmd -> ia try uploading any files to s3:///FileplanetFiles_119000-119999 and tell me if it worked
15:35 ^🔗	Schbirid	because i sent a request for deletion earlier, did not get a reply yet but seem to have managed to upload new files to it even though it was created by another user
15:37 ^🔗	Schbirid	minus one / of course
15:38 ^🔗	Schbirid	ok, please do NOT do this. i think i found the bug
15:39 ^🔗	Schbirid	i remember something about a prefix for test items that ia would remove later, anyone remember that? i dont want to destroy anything
15:43 ^🔗	winr4r	SmileyG: aw, that sucks
15:43 ^🔗	winr4r	still, fillings hurt less than fucked teeth!
15:49 ^🔗	Schbirid	i need one tester with s3cmd for a confidential test
15:50 ^🔗	SmileyG	winr4r: hahah true
15:50 ^🔗	SmileyG	this wasn't hurting but my tongue was rubbing on the edge :<
15:50 ^🔗	winr4r	ah, yeah
15:51 ^🔗	winr4r	Schbirid: i'd help but i'd have to be taught how to use it
15:51 ^🔗	winr4r	i can do that when i get back from the shop, though
15:52 ^🔗	winr4r	(as long as it doesn't involve huge files, bandwidth cap :<)
15:52 ^🔗	Schbirid	right now would be better
15:52 ^🔗	winr4r	Schbirid: oh :(
15:52 ^🔗	Schbirid	:}
15:52 ^🔗	winr4r	well, back in 20 minutes, if you've not found someone by then hit me up
15:52 ^🔗	Schbirid	nah, thanks. i will have sent the mail by then
16:02 ^🔗	Schbirid	nevermind, managed to reproduce myself
16:19 ^🔗	winr4r	Schbirid: tmi? :D
16:19 ^🔗	Schbirid	heh
16:51 ^🔗	Schbirid	who would have thought! http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?w=400&h=220&o=f&c=1&y=b&b=ffffff&n=666666&r=2y&u=jamendo.com&
17:00 ^🔗	winr4r	i remember someone else pointing that out
17:00 ^🔗	winr4r	might have even been you, actually
17:08 ^🔗	Schbirid	yeah, prolly
17:10 ^🔗	winr4r	i found some of my favourite waking-up music on jamendo
17:10 ^🔗	winr4r	http://www.jamendo.com/en/list/a31777/one-million-dollar-surf-band
17:13 ^🔗	Schbirid	whoa, i missed that
17:13 ^🔗	Schbirid	only got the tiki twist ep
17:13 ^🔗	Schbirid	thanks
17:14 ^🔗	Schbirid	havent listened to them for ages .)
17:17 ^🔗	winr4r	:D
17:17 ^🔗	winr4r	hm
17:17 ^🔗	winr4r	maybe it was you that introduced me to them, then?
17:21 ^🔗	Schbirid	that would have been years ago
17:23 ^🔗	winr4r	ah, no, i've not been around that long
17:23 ^🔗	winr4r	(i mean in here)
18:55 ^🔗	winr4r	SketchCow: can you give me the dates that you will be in brighton, if that is still on?
19:09 ^🔗	shaqfu	mistym: It sounds like the BoV was unhappy that the president wasn't chasing the latest fads
19:10 ^🔗	shaqfu	MOOCs are coming up a lot
19:10 ^🔗	shaqfu	As is a lot of suit-talk
19:10 ^🔗	mistym	Ahh.
19:11 ^🔗	winr4r	hi guys, again
19:11 ^🔗	shaqfu	ohai, again
19:11 ^🔗	shaqfu	So yeah, she was canned for doing her job
19:12 ^🔗	winr4r	explain
19:12 ^🔗	mistym	Of course. Which explains the frustration, etc. That puts a lot of context to the one professor's resignation letter re: the issue.
19:14 ^🔗	shaqfu	winr4r: She was doing all the stuff she was hired to do - build uni prestige, develop depts, keep things running smoothly
19:14 ^🔗	winr4r	and then?
19:14 ^🔗	Schbirid	archivemount is still running hot, 9 hours
19:14 ^🔗	shaqfu	Not sink big bucks into programs that, in all seriousness, probably don't work
19:15 ^🔗	shaqfu	winr4r: The Board of Visitors (essentially directors) had a meeting and fired her in the middle of the night, with no warning
19:15 ^🔗	chronomex	classy
19:15 ^🔗	shaqfu	And the reason they gave was straight-up MBA talk
19:15 ^🔗	shaqfu	Like saying she lacked "strategic dynamism"
19:15 ^🔗	mistym	Oh god.
19:15 ^🔗	mistym	No sentence that includes "strategic dynamism" has ANY kind of human meaning.
19:15 ^🔗	winr4r	"strategic dynamism"?
19:15 ^🔗	chronomex	hahahaha
19:16 ^🔗	shaqfu	Now you see why people are livid
19:16 ^🔗	mistym	Replace the board with a markov generator, it'll be years before anyone notices
19:16 ^🔗	winr4r	isn't it in the bible that if you say the words "strategic dynamism" that god will actually shoot you in the face?
19:18 ^🔗	shaqfu	Which brings us to AT
19:18 ^🔗	shaqfu	http://gretchenspinning.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/teresa-sullivans-resignation-collecting-a-digital-archive/
19:18 ^🔗	shaqfu	This is what UVa Speccol is doing
19:18 ^🔗	shaqfu	Lots of reading here - this will make you an expert on UVa
19:18 ^🔗	shaqfu	But, knowing the relationship big institutions have with web archives, I dunno if they're stopping at indexing or actually saving
19:19 ^🔗	mistym	"the relationship big institutions have with web archives" is a politic way of putting it
19:19 ^🔗	shaqfu	mistym: Other than "fucking scared"?
19:19 ^🔗	shaqfu	I spoke with someone at NYPL last week - he was frozen by the AG suit
19:20 ^🔗	shaqfu	He couldn't pull down news postings and scrape them for data
19:21 ^🔗	shaqfu	Why? Because in their scorched earth lawsuit, AG attacked Hathi's dark archive
19:21 ^🔗	shaqfu	Even though it had nothing to do with the big issue (sharing content)
19:21 ^🔗	mistym	Right...
19:21 ^🔗	winr4r	who is being sued here?
19:21 ^🔗	chronomex	I wonder if there's a way we could change copyright law to encourage hoarding
19:22 ^🔗	shaqfu	chronomex: Honestly, I wish NYPL would do it and get sued
19:22 ^🔗	chronomex	yeah
19:22 ^🔗	shaqfu	Because they have the resources to protect themselves and they're invulnerable
19:22 ^🔗	mistym	"X sues public library" is not a nice headline that anyone wants to be on the wrong side of.
19:23 ^🔗	chronomex	that would require them to be an institution that has the balls to do that
19:23 ^🔗	shaqfu	Anyway, I asked the archivist on Twitter if they're copying data - if not, I'll roll in
19:23 ^🔗	winr4r	chronomex: p.s. op SketchCow
19:23 ^🔗	shaqfu	NYPL is weird
19:23 ^🔗	chronomex	o
19:23 ^🔗	shaqfu	They have some really awesome people, but the higher you go, the worse it gets
19:24 ^🔗	shaqfu	I almost blew my top at their head of manuscripts for not digitizing books that, by her own admission, were only usable once more
19:24 ^🔗	mistym	argh
19:24 ^🔗	chronomex	wat
19:25 ^🔗	shaqfu	Her plan of action was to rehouse them
19:25 ^🔗	shaqfu	Yeah, see
19:25 ^🔗	shaqfu	And Marx is the definitive Scumbag Steve of libraries
19:25 ^🔗	shaqfu	When he was caught drunk driving with a mistress, he forwarded all press queries to the reference desk
19:27 ^🔗	shaqfu	That's why IA is so wonderful - Brewster is a) 100% committed to being awesome and b) rich enough to say "fuck the world"
19:28 ^🔗	mistym	IA's attitude is essentially the best.
19:28 ^🔗	mistym	Doing great things is considered better than doing safe things. Many other institutions don't have the same values
19:30 ^🔗	winr4r	yes, indeed
19:30 ^🔗	winr4r	i mean they fucking hired jason
19:30 ^🔗	mistym	YES
19:31 ^🔗	mistym	And their e-book lending program is gutsy and brilliant.
19:37 ^🔗	winr4r	i've not tried it
19:39 ^🔗	winr4r	brb folks
19:45 ^🔗	SmileyG	<3 IA for what thye are doing
19:45 ^🔗	SmileyG	tho i don't know, nor involve my self in any of, the poltitivs
19:46 ^🔗	shaqfu	So yeah - UVa is interesting in that it's Public/Corporate Ragnaro
19:46 ^🔗	shaqfu	k
19:47 ^🔗	shaqfu	Not every day people stand up to a bunch of MBAs
19:48 ^🔗	SmileyG	or they do, but they don't survive to tell the tail? :D
20:03 ^🔗	shaqfu	Hrm - debating going to the NDIIP conference
20:11 ^🔗	DFJustin	what the hell brewster was on vancouver island and no one told me
20:11 ^🔗	SketchCow	Thank god, I am opped
20:15 ^🔗	winr4r	hi jason!
20:24 ^🔗	ersi	SketchCow: Any news on the Internet Archive kickstarter/fundraiser thing?
20:24 ^🔗	ersi	chronomex: Just subsidy storage for the common man, problem almost solved
20:25 ^🔗	BlueMax	Still need help with rewards, SketchCow?
20:40 ^🔗	Schbirid	you know what sucks? hitting ctrl-c in the terminal where a job was running for 11 hours and you were hoping it would finish around that time
20:40 ^🔗	mistym	Schbirid: :( Yeah...
20:40 ^🔗	*	mistym had that experience with a job that had been running for ~36 hours recently
20:54 ^🔗	winr4r	Schbirid: do you know what sucks more than that? nuking /usr on a production system
20:54 ^🔗	mistym	winr4r: This sounds like a tale steeped in woe and tears.
20:56 ^🔗	winr4r	mistym: it was
20:57 ^🔗	Schbirid	do you have proper backups nowadays? :
20:57 ^🔗	Schbirid	)
20:57 ^🔗	winr4r	so you know how configure scripts usually think PREFIX means a prefix, as in it'll put its binaries in PREFIX/bin, other stuff in PREFIX/share?
20:58 ^🔗	winr4r	this thing did not have a configure script, but it did have a makefile, with PREFIX in it, and i was like "okay, change that so that it is /usr"
20:58 ^🔗	winr4r	apparently the people who wrote it thought that PREFIX meant "install directory"
20:58 ^🔗	mistym	Uh oh.
20:58 ^🔗	winr4r	so i tried it, didn't like it
20:58 ^🔗	winr4r	then did a "make uninstall"
20:58 ^🔗	Coderjoe	>_<
20:58 ^🔗	winr4r	which it thought meant "rm -rf $PREFIX"
20:59 ^🔗	winr4r	obviously, "rm -rf /usr"
20:59 ^🔗	Coderjoe	you didn't need that anyway
20:59 ^🔗	winr4r	yeah, /usr is for pussies
20:59 ^🔗	winr4r	real men only need /bin/cat
21:00 ^🔗	SmileyG	ouch.
21:01 ^🔗	Coderjoe	real programmers use butterflies
21:02 ^🔗	winr4r	true story, anyway
21:02 ^🔗	mistym	winr4r: I don't suppose the bumblebee guy wrote this makefile ;)
21:02 ^🔗	Schbirid	nighty
21:03 ^🔗	winr4r	mistym: i don't even remember what it was that i installed
21:05 ^🔗	shaqfu	What was that program that nuked your entire drive?
21:05 ^🔗	shaqfu	Bumblebee or something
21:06 ^🔗	mistym	shaqfu: Yeah.
21:06 ^🔗	mistym	Most famous commit of all time.
21:06 ^🔗	winr4r	http://www.miltonbayer.com/blog/news/when-a-code-commit-goes-viral/
21:07 ^🔗	winr4r	that one?
21:07 ^🔗	mistym	Yeah.
21:07 ^🔗	winr4r	that was fucking hilarious
21:08 ^🔗	mistym	Link is broken but thankfully he has a copy of the repo (with the full comment stream) still up: https://github.com/MrMEEE/bumblebee-Old-and-abbandoned/commit/a047be85247755cdbe0acce6
21:08 ^🔗	mistym	I probably would not want to use software written by a guy who spells "abbandoned" with two Bs. Huge typo risk.
21:09 ^🔗	shaqfu	Indeed ;)
21:09 ^🔗	winr4r	yes
21:11 ^🔗	shaqfu	I'm curious how it was discovered, and who the poor fellow was that did it
21:16 ^🔗	winr4r	mhm
21:17 ^🔗	ersi	mistym: uh, meh. People of all kinds of skill levels typos accidentally
21:18 ^🔗	ersi	One thing to rm -rf /usr, one thing to typo English
21:18 ^🔗	mistym	ersi: Yeah, I know. Just joking; thought the typo in the repo name was funny given it's most famous for the destructive code typo.
21:18 ^🔗	winr4r	ersi: i don't know, man
21:18 ^🔗	winr4r	i instantly distrust people with bad grammar
21:19 ^🔗	ersi	mistym: haha, true
21:19 ^🔗	SmileyG	wut?
21:19 ^🔗	SmileyG	:P
21:20 ^🔗	ersi	learn2readbacklog
21:20 ^🔗	shaqfu	mistym: Off-topic, but are you following ALA at all?
21:20 ^🔗	mistym	shaqfu: Only vaguely, have to admit - I meant to follow the tweets closer.
21:20 ^🔗	shaqfu	Same. Mostly interested in the GRRM and Pew talks
21:21 ^🔗	Coderjoe	I once started deleting my home directory by accident. I was using gprof, and the annotating tool didn't translate ~ into my home directory, so it created a directory in the current directory named ~
21:21 ^🔗	shaqfu	Pew, for actual data on ebook use, and GRRM because I'm praying someone asks him about DOS
21:21 ^🔗	shaqfu	Coderjoe: Oof
21:21 ^🔗	Coderjoe	I later went to delete that directory... let it run for a few seconds, before it sunk in and started mashing ^C in panic
21:26 ^🔗	SmileyG	hmmmm i hope this filling hasn't got a frikking hole in it :<
21:26 ^🔗	SmileyG	it now hurts when I try and drink something sweet :<
21:30 ^🔗	Coderjoe	amalgam or composite?
21:31 ^🔗	Coderjoe	and is the drink cold? temperature sensitivity does go up after a filling
21:34 ^🔗	SmileyG	alagram? wut?
21:34 ^🔗	SmileyG	Coderjoe: yeah it was quite cold
21:34 ^🔗	SmileyG	hopefully it'll have calmed down by the weekend.
22:00 ^🔗	shaqfu	Bahaha, an archives job that requires previous combat experience
22:05 ^🔗	chronomex	shaqfu: ha, do share
22:05 ^🔗	shaqfu	http://tbe.taleo.net/NA8/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=LEOINDUS&cws=1&rid=2633
22:05 ^🔗	chronomex	hahahaha
22:05 ^🔗	chronomex	wow
22:06 ^🔗	shaqfu	I suspect this posting was written by a robot
22:07 ^🔗	shaqfu	Huge stack of requirements that I honestly doubt any human has, plus live combat experience, no master's needed
22:09 ^🔗	shaqfu	I hope they pay six figures
22:26 ^🔗	SmileyG	Location:
22:26 ^🔗	SmileyG	â¢ Afghanistan
22:26 ^🔗	SmileyG	o_O
22:27 ^🔗	shaqfu	Why do you think it requires the ability to handle rifles?
22:27 ^🔗	shaqfu	And this is coming from someone that nearly accepted a job in Kazakhstan
22:28 ^🔗	winr4r	all i think with an organisation like that is "okay, where are your archives"
22:28 ^🔗	winr4r	seems there's a lot of people talking about digital archiving and very few doing it
22:29 ^🔗	shaqfu	winr4r: That job posting explains why
22:29 ^🔗	SmileyG	theres ALOT of historical stuff in Afghanistan...
22:30 ^🔗	shaqfu	People think it's the hardest thing in the world to do, so they expect archivists to have mountains of exp/skls and hold endless meetings
22:30 ^🔗	winr4r	shaqfu: yes, it does
22:30 ^🔗	winr4r	you have to satisfy those requirements rather than "know how to use wget, will download for food"
22:30 ^🔗	shaqfu	Hah
22:31 ^🔗	SmileyG	:D
22:31 ^🔗	SmileyG	wait, I can get free fud?
22:31 ^🔗	shaqfu	I got mad this week because someone asked on the archives listserv about web archives
22:31 ^🔗	shaqfu	And ten posts of "pay IA" came back
22:31 ^🔗	shaqfu	I offered to teach the guy wget/heritrix, no response :(
22:31 ^🔗	winr4r	shaqfu: pay in?
22:31 ^🔗	shaqfu	winr4r: Archive-It
22:31 ^🔗	SmileyG	don't get mad, get /*
22:31 ^🔗	winr4r	don't get mad, join archive team
22:31 ^🔗	SmileyG	don't get mad, wget /*
22:31 ^🔗	SmileyG	:D
22:32 ^🔗	shaqfu	That's actually what I did
22:32 ^🔗	winr4r	ultimately, archive team has done far more for digital preservation than all the people talking about if have
22:32 ^🔗	shaqfu	I got mad I was passed over for a position because I suspect I scared the hiring manager by mentioning regexps
22:32 ^🔗	shaqfu	So I took up perl
22:32 ^🔗	SmileyG	yey i'm part of a cool team!
22:32 ^🔗	winr4r	look at that list of bullshit qualifications, then see how many jason would fulfill
22:33 ^🔗	shaqfu	winr4r: Why do you think I call it the Jason Scott Rule of Nonsense Posts
22:33 ^🔗	winr4r	then compare how much shit they have saved to how much jason has
22:33 ^🔗	winr4r	shaqfu: what is the jason scott rule?
22:34 ^🔗	winr4r	the amount people talk about digital archiving is inversely proportional to how much they actually save?
22:34 ^🔗	shaqfu	winr4r: If your job posting is so pie-in-the-sky that Jason Scott wouldn't make it past robot screening, your job posting is bullshit
22:34 ^🔗	winr4r	shaqfu: haha, that's about right
22:35 ^🔗	shaqfu	Junk like 3+ years dev exp
22:35 ^🔗	winr4r	incidentally, http://www.wikihow.com/Keep-Your-Digital-Memories-Safe
22:37 ^🔗	winr4r	shaqfu: which is why i respect the IA for hiring jason, because he probably has 1/4 of the stuff on that list, but actually saves shit
22:39 ^🔗	shaqfu	winr4r: Combine insane skill reqs + hyperspecialization and it's trouble
22:40 ^🔗	winr4r	shaqfu: which is why our digital history is dying
22:42 ^🔗	shaqfu	There's nonsenes like "we won't hire people that haven't used our software package of choice"
22:42 ^🔗	shaqfu	wat.jpg
22:42 ^🔗	SmileyG	shaqfu: erm, how do you make money from archives?
22:42 ^🔗	shaqfu	SmileyG: Hm?
22:43 ^🔗	SmileyG	If you were a company, archiving, how would you montize it?
22:43 ^🔗	shaqfu	Directly? You can't
22:43 ^🔗	shaqfu	It's a cost-saving venture
22:43 ^🔗	SmileyG	:)
22:43 ^🔗	shaqfu	Where I work, it's to keep company-owned assets around so we can reuse them
22:43 ^🔗	shaqfu	Instead of having to make new things every time
22:44 ^🔗	SmileyG	So why would you save OTHER peoples stuff?
22:44 ^🔗	winr4r	"monetise" is a word that needs to be shot in the heard
22:44 ^🔗	shaqfu	SmileyG: Why do you think archives tend to be publically-funded?
22:44 ^🔗	SmileyG	shaqfu: hehe i know
22:45 ^🔗	SmileyG	but this is why I think there is such issues with archiving...
22:46 ^🔗	underscor	ls
22:46 ^🔗	SmileyG	ls -lah.
22:46 ^🔗	shaqfu	porn/
22:46 ^🔗	shaqfu	moreporn/
22:47 ^🔗	shaqfu	yetmoreporn/
22:47 ^🔗	winr4r	underscor: haha
22:47 ^🔗	underscor	oops
22:47 ^🔗	winr4r	underscor: was that an "ls" in the wrong window moment?
22:47 ^🔗	winr4r	because i fucking LOVE that
22:47 ^🔗	winr4r	haha
22:47 ^🔗	underscor	yeah
22:47 ^🔗	winr4r	"ls"
22:47 ^🔗	winr4r	"what?"
22:47 ^🔗	SmileyG	sudo list my f*ing files
22:50 ^🔗	shaqfu	Blech, one of these days I'll remember the Perl shebang
22:50 ^🔗	underscor	it's because the latest linux mint has this fucking annoying auto raise thing
22:50 ^🔗	underscor	whenever someone sends me a skype message or says my username on irc
22:51 ^🔗	SmileyG	o_O
22:51 ^🔗	underscor	and I haven't taken the time to figure out where to turn it off
22:51 ^🔗	*	SmileyG will be punching that in the face
22:51 ^🔗	SmileyG	it'll likely be called something like "raise on bell"
22:51 ^🔗	underscor	yeah, it's irritating
22:51 ^🔗	shaqfu	Time to write a bot to highlight underscor at inopportune moments
22:51 ^🔗	underscor	fuck you
22:51 ^🔗	underscor	SmileyG: thx
22:51 ^🔗	SmileyG	window settings,window manager type thing
22:52 ^🔗	shaqfu	That seems like an obnoxious thing to have on by default
22:52 ^🔗	*	SmileyG can't remember what WM mint is using.
22:52 ^🔗	SmileyG	shaqfu: indeed.
22:52 ^🔗	underscor	cinnamon
22:52 ^🔗	SmileyG	wtf is cinnamon
22:52 ^🔗	shaqfu	Like those clients that auto-open any URLs
22:52 ^🔗	SmileyG	oh god its that gnome/not-gnome thing?
22:52 ^🔗	SmileyG	<3 gentoo :D
22:52 ^🔗	underscor	it's basically gnome2 brought into the current decade
22:53 ^🔗	SmileyG	just wish god damnit pulse audio wasn't such a penishead.
22:53 ^🔗	SmileyG	:<
22:53 ^🔗	SmileyG	otherwise I'd use it :<
23:04 ^🔗	SketchCow	NOW THAT WAS A NAP
23:04 ^🔗	Coderjoe	SmileyG: There are essentially two major types of fillings (in the states anyway), "silver amalgam" (the metal ones) and composite (the tooth-colored ones)
23:07 ^🔗	winr4r	SketchCow: hi sir!
23:07 ^🔗	SmileyG	Coderjoe: ah
23:07 ^🔗	SmileyG	this is.... a mix I think
23:07 ^🔗	SmileyG	he said something about filling it with silver
23:08 ^🔗	SmileyG	but its white on the surface
23:10 ^🔗	Coderjoe	the amalgam fillings tend to conduct heat/cold much better than composites
23:13 ^🔗	SmileyG	hmmmm
23:13 ^🔗	SmileyG	Â¬_Â¬
23:19 ^🔗	Coderjoe	but are also less expensive, and tend to be used more in the back teeth, where it isn't visible

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