[00:15] dashcloud: are you sure it wasn't because linus thought he could write better machine code than he thought a compiler could output? [00:15] I wouldn't put it past him. he is very set in his "I am right. Everyone else is a moron." mentality [00:20] well, it seems to have worked so far [00:42] about the Linus comment- he didn't know that what he thought was assembler was actually what other people thought of as machine code- (this happened in the 90s) [00:42] if you haven't seen the talk, it's pretty good [00:43] you can watch Linus give the finger to Nvidia- literally, and he talks about his stance on people getting offended by what he says [05:26] he says he's blunt because he needs to be, but that still doesn't excuse personal attacks such as calling someone an idiot/moron simply because the don't agree with him [06:04] indeed [08:39] * Schbirid is playing IGN [08:39] /bin/rm -r planet* [08:39] :) [08:40] the tar.gz is downloading to the right server, i am excited and curious if archivemount will work [08:40] it is "just" 13GB [08:40] could have been much worse [09:38] morning [09:51] look, its Jason! http://www.youtube.com/watch?=zHkYGv6D2Bc&feature=player_detailpage#t=750s [09:52] oh hi [09:52] harr harr [09:54] This video is unavailable.Sorry about that. [09:55] archivemount does not seem to happy [09:55] it takes ages [09:56] woot, it was available four min ago :o [09:56] yeah, same [09:56] wow [09:56] it was a scene from IT Crowd Season 1 [09:56] or maybe it was from S2 [09:56] Nah, it was S1 [09:56] S1 E5 [09:58] shit, it just stop working [09:59] maybe it will come back later [10:16] extracting took 10 hours, tar.gz 12, so i guess archivemounting will do so too :( [11:14] yeah, it seems to be working hard [11:14] still 100% cpu [11:15] i bet it will on ram [15:03] Ops, please. [15:09] morning jason [15:11] hmm [15:11] need to add to autojoin Â¬_Â¬ [15:12] hi SmileyG, too [15:13] i missed you guys :< [15:13] o/ [15:14] I've been busy getting myself banned else where :P [15:14] i've been working away [15:14] and fixed bitlbee irc <-> twitter :D [15:14] 19 hour days fuck yeah [15:14] SmileyG: i did that! [15:14] ouch o_IO [15:14] SmileyG: posted to twitter using windows 3.1 [15:14] :D [15:15] Appently I can have facebook chat too, but I've not set thato ne up yet ;D [15:15] https://twitter.com/lewiscollard/status/211543110604423168 [15:16] sadly, facebook didn't work too well in IE 5 [15:16] so i gave up on that idea [15:16] :D [15:16] well, bitlbee [15:16] who needs ie? [15:17] wouldn't allow me to post to facebook proper [15:17] also, facebook chat through jabber has been totally broken every time i've tried it [15:17] wouldn't allow me = doesn't support [15:18] :D [15:18] o: [15:18] I heard you need to pull some data from the cookies etc. [15:18] then yeah I guess you might need ie if you were setting it up on thatm achine [15:19] what about the mobile version [15:19] DFJustin: you know i don't think i even tried that [15:19] LET'S TRY THAT [15:20] if it works on my dumbphone it probably works on ie5/ns4 [15:21] ah, no it doesn't [15:21] it thinks i want to download m.facebook.com [15:21] i wonder if i could chain them somehow [15:22] like, if there's an IM-to-facebook gateway, go irc -> bitlbee -> IM -> facebook [15:22] or i could get a life and/or work done [15:23] how is everyone? :) [15:24] MORNNING [15:24] My next month is basically... booked. [15:24] So I'll be doing my best to make sure we have archiveteam business in order but I can't go full-day crazy [15:31] winr4r: in pain [15:31] had large filling this morning and now my face aches [15:31] tho tbh it was alot better than some i've had in the past [15:35] uhm, could someone with s3cmd -> ia try uploading any files to s3:///FileplanetFiles_119000-119999 and tell me if it worked [15:35] because i sent a request for deletion earlier, did not get a reply yet but seem to have managed to upload new files to it even though it was created by another user [15:37] minus one / of course [15:38] ok, please do NOT do this. i think i found the bug [15:39] i remember something about a prefix for test items that ia would remove later, anyone remember that? i dont want to destroy anything [15:43] SmileyG: aw, that sucks [15:43] still, fillings hurt less than fucked teeth! [15:49] i need one tester with s3cmd for a confidential test [15:50] winr4r: hahah true [15:50] this wasn't hurting but my tongue was rubbing on the edge :< [15:50] ah, yeah [15:51] Schbirid: i'd help but i'd have to be taught how to use it [15:51] i can do that when i get back from the shop, though [15:52] (as long as it doesn't involve huge files, bandwidth cap :<) [15:52] right now would be better [15:52] Schbirid: oh :( [15:52] :} [15:52] well, back in 20 minutes, if you've not found someone by then hit me up [15:52] nah, thanks. i will have sent the mail by then [16:02] nevermind, managed to reproduce myself [16:19] Schbirid: tmi? :D [16:19] heh [16:51] who would have thought! http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?w=400&h=220&o=f&c=1&y=b&b=ffffff&n=666666&r=2y&u=jamendo.com& [17:00] i remember someone else pointing that out [17:00] might have even been you, actually [17:08] yeah, prolly [17:10] i found some of my favourite waking-up music on jamendo [17:10] http://www.jamendo.com/en/list/a31777/one-million-dollar-surf-band [17:13] whoa, i missed that [17:13] only got the tiki twist ep [17:13] thanks [17:14] havent listened to them for ages .) [17:17] :D [17:17] hm [17:17] maybe it was you that introduced me to them, then? [17:21] that would have been years ago [17:23] ah, no, i've not been around that long [17:23] (i mean in here) [18:55] SketchCow: can you give me the dates that you will be in brighton, if that is still on? [19:09] mistym: It sounds like the BoV was unhappy that the president wasn't chasing the latest fads [19:10] MOOCs are coming up a lot [19:10] As is a lot of suit-talk [19:10] Ahh. [19:11] hi guys, again [19:11] ohai, again [19:11] So yeah, she was canned for doing her job [19:12] explain [19:12] Of course. Which explains the frustration, etc. That puts a lot of context to the one professor's resignation letter re: the issue. [19:14] winr4r: She was doing all the stuff she was hired to do - build uni prestige, develop depts, keep things running smoothly [19:14] and then? [19:14] archivemount is still running hot, 9 hours [19:14] Not sink big bucks into programs that, in all seriousness, probably don't work [19:15] winr4r: The Board of Visitors (essentially directors) had a meeting and fired her in the middle of the night, with no warning [19:15] classy [19:15] And the reason they gave was straight-up MBA talk [19:15] Like saying she lacked "strategic dynamism" [19:15] Oh god. [19:15] No sentence that includes "strategic dynamism" has ANY kind of human meaning. [19:15] "strategic dynamism"? [19:15] hahahaha [19:16] Now you see why people are livid [19:16] Replace the board with a markov generator, it'll be years before anyone notices [19:16] isn't it in the bible that if you say the words "strategic dynamism" that god will actually shoot you in the face? [19:18] Which brings us to AT [19:18] http://gretchenspinning.wordpress.com/2012/06/21/teresa-sullivans-resignation-collecting-a-digital-archive/ [19:18] This is what UVa Speccol is doing [19:18] Lots of reading here - this will make you an expert on UVa [19:18] But, knowing the relationship big institutions have with web archives, I dunno if they're stopping at indexing or actually saving [19:19] "the relationship big institutions have with web archives" is a politic way of putting it [19:19] mistym: Other than "fucking scared"? [19:19] I spoke with someone at NYPL last week - he was frozen by the AG suit [19:20] He couldn't pull down news postings and scrape them for data [19:21] Why? Because in their scorched earth lawsuit, AG attacked Hathi's dark archive [19:21] Even though it had *nothing to do* with the big issue (sharing content) [19:21] Right... [19:21] who is being sued here? [19:21] I wonder if there's a way we could change copyright law to encourage hoarding [19:22] chronomex: Honestly, I wish NYPL would do it and get sued [19:22] yeah [19:22] Because they have the resources to protect themselves and they're invulnerable [19:22] "X sues public library" is not a nice headline that anyone wants to be on the wrong side of. [19:23] that would require them to be an institution that has the balls to do that [19:23] Anyway, I asked the archivist on Twitter if they're copying data - if not, I'll roll in [19:23] chronomex: p.s. op SketchCow [19:23] NYPL is weird [19:23] o [19:23] They have some really awesome people, but the higher you go, the worse it gets [19:24] I almost blew my top at their head of manuscripts for not digitizing books that, by her own admission, were only usable once more [19:24] argh [19:24] wat [19:25] Her plan of action was to rehouse them [19:25] Yeah, see [19:25] And Marx is the definitive Scumbag Steve of libraries [19:25] When he was caught drunk driving with a mistress, he forwarded all press queries to the reference desk [19:27] That's why IA is so wonderful - Brewster is a) 100% committed to being awesome and b) rich enough to say "fuck the world" [19:28] IA's attitude is essentially the best. [19:28] Doing great things is considered better than doing safe things. Many other institutions don't have the same values [19:30] yes, indeed [19:30] i mean they fucking hired jason [19:30] YES [19:31] And their e-book lending program is gutsy and brilliant. [19:37] i've not tried it [19:39] brb folks [19:45] <3 IA for what thye are doing [19:45] tho i don't know, nor involve my self in any of, the poltitivs [19:46] So yeah - UVa is interesting in that it's Public/Corporate Ragnaro [19:46] k [19:47] Not every day people stand up to a bunch of MBAs [19:48] or they do, but they don't survive to tell the tail? :D [20:03] Hrm - debating going to the NDIIP conference [20:11] what the hell brewster was on vancouver island and no one told me [20:11] Thank god, I am opped [20:15] hi jason! [20:24] SketchCow: Any news on the Internet Archive kickstarter/fundraiser thing? [20:24] chronomex: Just subsidy storage for the common man, problem almost solved [20:25] Still need help with rewards, SketchCow? [20:40] you know what sucks? hitting ctrl-c in the terminal where a job was running for 11 hours and you were hoping it would finish around that time [20:40] Schbirid: :( Yeah... [20:40] * mistym had that experience with a job that had been running for ~36 hours recently [20:54] Schbirid: do you know what sucks more than that? nuking /usr on a production system [20:54] winr4r: This sounds like a tale steeped in woe and tears. [20:56] mistym: it was [20:57] do you have proper backups nowadays? : [20:57] ) [20:57] so you know how configure scripts usually think PREFIX means a prefix, as in it'll put its binaries in PREFIX/bin, other stuff in PREFIX/share? [20:58] this thing did not have a configure script, but it did have a makefile, with PREFIX in it, and i was like "okay, change that so that it is /usr" [20:58] apparently the people who wrote it thought that PREFIX meant "install directory" [20:58] Uh oh. [20:58] so i tried it, didn't like it [20:58] then did a "make uninstall" [20:58] >_< [20:58] which it thought meant "rm -rf $PREFIX" [20:59] obviously, "rm -rf /usr" [20:59] you didn't need that anyway [20:59] yeah, /usr is for pussies [20:59] real men only need /bin/cat [21:00] ouch. [21:01] real programmers use butterflies [21:02] true story, anyway [21:02] winr4r: I don't suppose the bumblebee guy wrote this makefile ;) [21:02] nighty [21:03] mistym: i don't even remember what it was that i installed [21:05] What was that program that nuked your entire drive? [21:05] Bumblebee or something [21:06] shaqfu: Yeah. [21:06] Most famous commit of all time. [21:06] http://www.miltonbayer.com/blog/news/when-a-code-commit-goes-viral/ [21:07] that one? [21:07] Yeah. [21:07] that was fucking hilarious [21:08] Link is broken but thankfully he has a copy of the repo (with the full comment stream) still up: https://github.com/MrMEEE/bumblebee-Old-and-abbandoned/commit/a047be85247755cdbe0acce6 [21:08] I probably would not want to use software written by a guy who spells "abbandoned" with two Bs. Huge typo risk. [21:09] Indeed ;) [21:09] yes [21:11] I'm curious how it was discovered, and who the poor fellow was that did it [21:16] mhm [21:17] mistym: uh, meh. People of all kinds of skill levels typos accidentally [21:18] One thing to rm -rf /usr, one thing to typo English [21:18] ersi: Yeah, I know. Just joking; thought the typo in the repo name was funny given it's most famous for the destructive code typo. [21:18] ersi: i don't know, man [21:18] i instantly distrust people with bad grammar [21:19] mistym: haha, true [21:19] wut? [21:19] :P [21:20] learn2readbacklog [21:20] mistym: Off-topic, but are you following ALA at all? [21:20] shaqfu: Only vaguely, have to admit - I meant to follow the tweets closer. [21:20] Same. Mostly interested in the GRRM and Pew talks [21:21] I once started deleting my home directory by accident. I was using gprof, and the annotating tool didn't translate ~ into my home directory, so it created a directory in the current directory named ~ [21:21] Pew, for actual data on ebook use, and GRRM because I'm praying someone asks him about DOS [21:21] Coderjoe: Oof [21:21] I later went to delete that directory... let it run for a few seconds, before it sunk in and started mashing ^C in panic [21:26] hmmmm i hope this filling hasn't got a frikking hole in it :< [21:26] it now hurts when I try and drink something sweet :< [21:30] amalgam or composite? [21:31] and is the drink cold? temperature sensitivity does go up after a filling [21:34] alagram? wut? [21:34] Coderjoe: yeah it was quite cold [21:34] hopefully it'll have calmed down by the weekend. [22:00] Bahaha, an archives job that requires previous combat experience [22:05] shaqfu: ha, do share [22:05] http://tbe.taleo.net/NA8/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=LEOINDUS&cws=1&rid=2633 [22:05] hahahaha [22:05] wow [22:06] I suspect this posting was written by a robot [22:07] Huge stack of requirements that I honestly doubt any human has, plus live combat experience, no master's needed [22:09] I hope they pay six figures [22:26] Location: [22:26] â¢ Afghanistan [22:26] o_O [22:27] Why do you think it requires the ability to handle rifles? [22:27] And this is coming from someone that nearly accepted a job in Kazakhstan [22:28] all i think with an organisation like that is "okay, where are your archives" [22:28] seems there's a lot of people talking about digital archiving and very few doing it [22:29] winr4r: That job posting explains why [22:29] theres ALOT of historical stuff in Afghanistan... [22:30] People think it's the hardest thing in the world to do, so they expect archivists to have mountains of exp/skls and hold endless meetings [22:30] shaqfu: yes, it does [22:30] you have to satisfy those requirements rather than "know how to use wget, will download for food" [22:30] Hah [22:31] :D [22:31] wait, I can get free fud? [22:31] I got mad this week because someone asked on the archives listserv about web archives [22:31] And ten posts of "pay IA" came back [22:31] I offered to teach the guy wget/heritrix, no response :( [22:31] shaqfu: pay in? [22:31] winr4r: Archive-It [22:31] don't get mad, get */** [22:31] don't get mad, join archive team [22:31] don't get mad, wget */** [22:31] :D [22:32] That's actually what I did [22:32] ultimately, archive team has done far more for digital preservation than all the people talking about if have [22:32] I got mad I was passed over for a position because I suspect I scared the hiring manager by mentioning regexps [22:32] So I took up perl [22:32] yey i'm part of a cool team! [22:32] look at that list of bullshit qualifications, then see how many jason would fulfill [22:33] winr4r: Why do you think I call it the Jason Scott Rule of Nonsense Posts [22:33] then compare how much shit they have saved to how much jason has [22:33] shaqfu: what is the jason scott rule? [22:34] the amount people talk about digital archiving is inversely proportional to how much they actually save? [22:34] winr4r: If your job posting is so pie-in-the-sky that Jason Scott wouldn't make it past robot screening, your job posting is bullshit [22:34] shaqfu: haha, that's about right [22:35] Junk like 3+ years dev exp [22:35] incidentally, http://www.wikihow.com/Keep-Your-Digital-Memories-Safe [22:37] shaqfu: which is why i respect the IA for hiring jason, because he probably has 1/4 of the stuff on that list, but actually saves shit [22:39] winr4r: Combine insane skill reqs + hyperspecialization and it's trouble [22:40] shaqfu: which is why our digital history is dying [22:42] There's nonsenes like "we won't hire people that haven't used our software package of choice" [22:42] wat.jpg [22:42] shaqfu: erm, how do you make money from archives? [22:42] SmileyG: Hm? [22:43] If you were a company, archiving, how would you montize it? [22:43] Directly? You can't [22:43] It's a cost-saving venture [22:43] :) [22:43] Where I work, it's to keep company-owned assets around so we can reuse them [22:43] Instead of having to make new things every time [22:44] So why would you save OTHER peoples stuff? [22:44] "monetise" is a word that needs to be shot in the heard [22:44] SmileyG: Why do you think archives tend to be publically-funded? [22:44] shaqfu: hehe i know [22:45] but this is why I think there is such issues with archiving... [22:46] ls [22:46] ls -lah. [22:46] porn/ [22:46] moreporn/ [22:47] yetmoreporn/ [22:47] underscor: haha [22:47] oops [22:47] underscor: was that an "ls" in the wrong window moment? [22:47] because i fucking LOVE that [22:47] haha [22:47] yeah [22:47] "ls" [22:47] "what?" [22:47] sudo list my f*ing files [22:50] Blech, one of these days I'll remember the Perl shebang [22:50] it's because the latest linux mint has this fucking annoying auto raise thing [22:50] whenever someone sends me a skype message or says my username on irc [22:51] o_O [22:51] and I haven't taken the time to figure out where to turn it off [22:51] * SmileyG will be punching that in the face [22:51] it'll likely be called something like "raise on bell" [22:51] yeah, it's irritating [22:51] Time to write a bot to highlight underscor at inopportune moments [22:51] fuck you [22:51] SmileyG: thx [22:51] window settings,window manager type thing [22:52] That seems like an obnoxious thing to have on by default [22:52] * SmileyG can't remember what WM mint is using. [22:52] shaqfu: indeed. [22:52] cinnamon [22:52] wtf is cinnamon [22:52] Like those clients that auto-open any URLs [22:52] oh god its that gnome/not-gnome thing? [22:52] <3 gentoo :D [22:52] it's basically gnome2 brought into the current decade [22:53] just wish god damnit pulse audio wasn't such a penishead. [22:53] :< [22:53] otherwise I'd use it :< [23:04] NOW THAT WAS A NAP [23:04] SmileyG: There are essentially two major types of fillings (in the states anyway), "silver amalgam" (the metal ones) and composite (the tooth-colored ones) [23:07] SketchCow: hi sir! [23:07] Coderjoe: ah [23:07] this is.... a mix I think [23:07] he said something about filling it with silver [23:08] but its white on the surface [23:10] the amalgam fillings tend to conduct heat/cold much better than composites [23:13] hmmmm [23:13] Â¬_Â¬ [23:19] but are also less expensive, and tend to be used more in the back teeth, where it isn't visible