[00:03] fLoo: if you mean on the left, it only shows the top 10 people or so there by default. there is a plus sign at the bottom that should toggle display of all workers [00:07] wow. that's odd [00:11] Coderjoe: I don't appear in that list... [00:12] which project? [00:12] and/or tracker [00:19] hmm [00:20] New Zealand's high court ruled today that a raid on Dotcom's Auckland mansion was illegal [00:34] now i'm uploading more dl.tv [00:34] episode 71 [00:34] i'm on my way to be archive king of pcmag podcasts [00:34] :-D [01:07] uploaded: http://archive.org/details/dltv_071_episode [01:16] size: 230,439,365 KB [01:16] (size of all of your items on IA) [01:17] in 384 items [01:20] Coderjoe: Thats the size of all my items? [01:21] or just pcmag files [01:21] cause i know it can't be the pcmag videos cause crankygeeks and dltv is only like 82gb maybe [01:23] I'm now at 519,560,922 KB [01:32] can we pull that number up ourselves? [01:32] godane: all items uploaded on your IA account [01:33] or, actually, on the email address you're currently using there. [01:33] (I don't know how the system handles changing your email address, as far as previously-uploaded items is concerned) [01:34] how did i check my profile? [01:34] *do i check my profile? [01:36] I wonder what mine is at [01:49] famicoman: 164 items totaling 1,702,047,384 KB [01:50] with the largest being diggnation, followed by ifanboy [02:43] you check at http://www.archive.org/metamgr.php?&w_uploader=yourname@example.com&mode=more [02:44] there's a handy histogram icon next to e.g. collection as well [02:53] that's awesome, thanks [02:58] morning folks [02:59] i think my ocd is making me a good archiver [03:00] that and living with dial-up for 4 years and then 3 years without internet at home will turn any ocd internet user into a archiver [03:03] heh! [03:03] download internet at work, take it home [03:03] rage, paranoia, kleptomania, and ocd [03:04] sounds about right [03:04] i was doing it at library between 2005 - early 2007 [03:05] when i had my first desktop pc was sneaking in library with usb stick to download linux isos and dl.tv stuff [03:06] I remember in the 90s we had time-limited dial-up but dad worked at a university so I would save web pages onto floppy disks at his office [03:06] godane: If you don't mind me asking, where are you from? [03:06] I was never that desperate, although I remember waiting 10 hours to download large FilePlanet mods [03:07] half of them would have bad sectors by the time I got home because I reused free AOL disks [03:07] Rofl [03:07] I hated when they switched to CDs because I had to start buying floppies [03:08] the disks could have been fine, but instead misaligned drives in opposite directions [03:08] Kinda ironic now, that we're downloading all of FilePlanet, and I used to wait many many hours just to get one file [03:08] bah [03:09] when the demo for daggerfall came out it was 18mb so dad had to borrow a zip drive to bring it home [03:09] 18MB, good God [03:09] That's just excessive [03:09] Probably had to run a RAM expander just to run it :( [03:09] then we fought with parallel port zip drive drivers for a while [03:10] I had ISDN at home while my employer still used dialup [03:10] so I would download big things like the directx sdk at home, burn a cd, and take it to work [03:11] (It was such a letdown to learn that RAM expanders weren't magic, and just added swap) [03:11] shaqfu: uh... I have an addon card in a box somewhere that you put SIMMs on and drop in an ISA slot [03:12] in the real early days we would do lycos searches at the university and PRINT THEM OUT [03:12] Coderjoe: I was thinking the software ones [03:12] so I would have paper listing every web site that existed on x (which fit in a binder) [03:12] now, CPUs are fast enough that you have things like compcache on linux [03:13] they add "swap" space, but it is compressed in RAM [03:13] wish I still had that stuff [03:13] DFJustin: I had a copy of an internet yellow pages book [03:14] I got a book simply titled "THE INTERNET" from '95 off a free book card [03:14] shaqfu: From NH USA [03:14] oh shit. you have a copy of THE INTERNET [03:15] AWB has a few good ones like that [03:15] Er, ALB [03:15] i love the fact that i'm the only one save The Screen Savers for the IA people [03:15] it was mostly not even there [03:15] I thought compression is how stuff like ramdoubler worked back in the day [03:15] never actually used it though [03:16] before me [03:16] some did do weird compression tricks [03:16] http://awfullibrarybooks.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/How-to-Dotcom-1.jpg [03:17] i got to get the home brew computer episode upload later tonight or tomorrw [03:17] from jan 16 2004 [03:17] and high bitrate too [03:20] i also have episode that looks a little weird [03:20] but full episode of feb 20 2004 [03:31] holy crap [03:31] holy crap [03:31] ben heck was on the screen savers [03:31] Are there any useful tools for doing Excel-y stuff on SQLite? [03:32] I have a 110MB database here, which is too big to import into Excel, but I'd like to draw up some quick charts of it [03:32] (trying to see if the files-per-month output of Fileplanet is interesting) [03:34] Anything bypassing Excel totally would be ideal - my version caps out at 65k elements, and I have approx. 110k [03:35] maybe gnuplot or the last version or two of LibreOffice- it should be matching Excel 2010's ridiculous columns & rows [03:35] libreoffice calc can handle much more than excel [03:35] Even then, I tried SQlite->csv->xls but my laptop can't handle it [03:36] 150MB databases are just too much for it, I suppose [03:36] if you can get the series into something like csv, then gnuplot likely can help make a chart [03:36] but I don't have any idea how to use gnuplot, so don't bother asking me for help with it. [03:37] I'll give it a shot; thanks [03:37] (my only experiences were with octave exporting and running gnuplot itself) [03:37] Should be simple enough to feed it data - I may be able to bypass the CSV totally, just having a list of mm/yyyy to count [03:38] 120 x points is plenty; no need to have 6000 [05:22] shaqfu: i love that book cover [05:22] how to DOTCOM [05:22] that worked out well for all concerned [05:24] http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Pn6VAGlMjVg/SaKzOmJYXaI/AAAAAAAAFuc/06PcArPC5RQ/s400/keyboard_surfing_the_internet.jpg [05:24] This is still my favorite old Internet book cover [05:24] hahaha [05:24] that is beautiful man [05:25] saving as reaction image [05:25] ;D [05:25] Surfing on a Model M with attached mouse wearing Velcro shoes [05:25] that's exactly what the internet is like [05:28] i doubt that is a model m [05:28] Yeah, Model Ms didn't have ports on their sides [05:29] and all those poor kids in the background are in trouble. they seem to have no mice attached to their keyboards [05:29] They're command-line users [05:29] linux users [05:29] Only the punk in the front uses a WM [05:29] yeah, right [05:29] in like 1995, you see [05:30] 1995: "what's linux?" [05:31] The kid in the back's catching a serious Internet wave [05:35] what's interesting is how we're joking about it, though [05:35] Hm? [05:36] as in "holy shit new and cool internet" is amusing [05:36] was there ever self-referential humour of that kind about telephones? [05:36] or VCRs? [05:36] I think it's more the sheer, well, 90sness of the image [05:38] of course there was, winr4r. Unless I'm losing some context due to language [05:38] http://tightmixblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/internet-book.jpg [05:38] i'm probably not making sense, but the old optimism is the new "lol internet" [05:38] I think it's a combination of what's now tacky design + how poorly understood the Internet was [05:39] If there was a book with kids surfing on VHS tapes in orbit, it'd be hilarious [05:39] haha true [05:39] even people who understood it portrayed it with overblown metaphors [05:40] dammit [05:40] or video tapes about how awesome VHS was, except i don't know if people joking about *those* would have put out VHS tapes about it [05:40] I hate search engines [05:40] DFJustin: yeah, like, "the internet interprets censorship as damage" etc [05:40] I'm trying to find something I know exists, but can't coax the search engine into helping me find it again [05:42] Wonder if there are any images of people playing croquet with giant candlestick telephones [05:42] Titled "TELEPHONE" [05:43] haha [05:43] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3_DjiLLDfo&feature=relmfu [05:44] hahahahaha [05:44] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DSgsON3u8E&feature=relmfu [05:44] awesome [05:44] if you want something REALLY awesome, though [05:45] https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&site=webhp&source=hp&q=define+gigabyte&oq=define+gigabyte [05:45] hit the audio button [05:45] YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT WRONG ALL THIS TIME [05:45] http://i.imgur.com/k23k5.png [05:46] Hahah [05:47] underscor: hahahah oh wow [05:47] unfortunately we at a.o can't laugh because we use a reversable hash :( [05:47] well, it's patched as of, uh. yesterday I think [05:47] but before that [05:48] yeah, which also isn't the same thing as ** actually having passwords in clear text in 2012 ** [05:48] You'd think after Sony, that would be #1 on the "never ever do this" list [05:48] you'd think after every other fucking time it has happened [05:49] Coderjoe: Sentimental attachment to the 512MB? [05:50] iirc, it has my stepmania/itg records on it [05:51] ? [05:51] I think I missed some irc antecedent there [05:51] it carried over from #archiveteam [05:51] Oh nvm [05:51] Siren was blaring [05:52] So coderjoe why do you carry so many? [05:52] They make 16g sticks for not much money at all fwiw [05:53] Bought a mini for $10 last week [05:54] Jam it into a mini router, 16GB network storage on the go [05:54] chronomex: did you see that I have 4 16GB sticks? [05:54] Oh, yeah I did [05:54] Coderjoe: Might be easier at this point to consolidate into a USB 2.5" drive [05:54] the kanguru one has a hardware write protect switch, which is nice for service work [05:54] Slip it into your front shirt pocket, like a baller [05:54] I can't fit those in my pockets [05:54] Ok [05:55] especially without the risk of damage [05:55] I actually quit carrying physical media a while ago, now I use a website for crap [05:55] (I already have a couple. still waiting for a third to return from IA) [05:55] Makes it a bit of a hassle to bring up boxes, but I install oses less than once a month [05:56] oh, I have access to my home stuff as well, anywhere I have internet access [05:56] On me.com [05:57] hah [05:58] I would say "neckbeard alert" but I think the one picture I've seen of you actually included suspenders [05:58] of me? [05:58] Mhm [05:58] I could be misremembering [05:59] the only time I have worn suspenders that I can remember involved a steampunk-themed wedding for which I was a groomsman [05:59] hmmmmmmmm ok [05:59] and I don't think any pictures were taken of me without my coat and vest on [06:00] "I put on my robe and wizard hat"... [06:00] Coat and vest? Sounds fly [06:01] omf_: my hard card failed in the 80s sometime, and took with it a bunch of my source code and programs that I hadn't backed up [06:02] I still got pc-dos 3.0 or 3.3 and games. 21, centiped, rogue, kings quest 4 [06:02] which took 8 double sided 5.25 disks [06:02] https://twimg0-a.akamaihd.net/profile_images/2288410986/h8ar1sqta21fieak02h3_reasonably_small.jpeg [06:03] I did previously have my twitter profile image set to the "hershy bar censor" image [06:04] are those steampunk glasses? [06:04] those are indeed prop steampunk goggles [06:04] as I said, steampunk themed wedding [06:06] nice [06:14] mmmm [06:14] http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=418xvoRiCk0 [06:15] I don't know if I showed that already, but <3 comments like that [06:16] oh, one of those 16GB sticks (the one with the lanyard clip) has a crapton of music on it, which I can plug into my car stereo [06:19] retrogamer magazine 096-100 issues are scaned [06:19] :-D [06:19] godane: :D [06:24] are those magazines still in copyright? If that does not matter I have some gaming mags as well [06:25] omf_: certainly [06:25] will be for a very, very long time [06:26] sorry brain fart [06:26] I meant did the company who made them go defunct? [06:27] no [06:27] even if they did, the copyright would still be around for a very long time [06:28] well, they did, but their assets got bought [06:28] Coderjoe: yes [06:28] thank you disney corporation and sunny bono [06:30] i'm not sure what happens if a business holds copyrights, goes bankrupt and doesn't sell their assets to someone else [06:31] but even then, there's probably something that says "will be copyrighted for an awfully long time anyway" [06:31] the assets would probably go to unpaid creditors [06:31] but yes, the copyright sticks around, like HIV [07:07] so the internet archive has the following upload methods: s3, ftp, http (flash), http (non-flash). is there anything else I am missing [07:07] In emergencies, mailing disks [07:08] and from what I have heard people say ftp or s3 is the way to go [07:14] mmm [07:14] http://p.twimg.com/Awbmt3mCMAADY9r.png [07:14] thanks to 24hour for-profit must-scoop news... we're writing the news before it happens! [07:15] omf_: at least one of the http methods is actually using the s3api [07:16] i'm curious what would replace that "XXXX" in the last portion [07:19] after looking through https://wiki.archive.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebTopicList I found 2 upload methods mentioned, one of them currently mac only [07:30] other than SketchCow's scripts am I missing any resources in this list about uploading to the a.o http://pastebin.com/hWiMM2w0 ? [07:38] forgot this on my list http://archive.org/help/abouts3.txt [08:44] did google verbatim just disappear [08:45] nevermind [08:45] stupid google [09:12] hmm [09:13] do I still want to back this short film project in texas? [09:13] (not computer history related) [09:40] (not computer history related) - I think that is your answer :) [09:47] uh... so I can only ever contribute to computer history related stuff? [10:00] hehe [10:22] Coderjoe: This worked: http://archive.org/details/dltv_077_episode [10:22] ftp for the win [10:44] now its happening again: http://archive.org/catalog.php?history=1&identifier=dltv_078_episode [10:45] ok everything is find [10:45] *fine [11:00] uploading cdrom 123 of 3d word [11:00] *world [12:29] the deathwatch kinda reminds me of fuckedcompany.com [12:29] another site which is now gone [13:13] grrr friday morning [13:16] At least it's less than 24 hours from Saturday morning. [13:17] and I still do not have a job. Days are essentially meaning less in this state. [13:24] shit another one bites the dust. moddb is owned by a new company and at least 5 years of old content is missing, probably more. [13:24] sigh [13:25] some people are suck frikking idiots i just GRRRHUGHHH. [13:25] lol [13:25] sorry my bad. Everything 2005 and before is long gone [13:25] :< [13:25] it was the largest site of game levels and mods [13:26] I already backed up gamers.org which is still running strong [13:32] gamers.org is safe [13:36] know who runs it? [13:39] ha, i thought i knew who runs it but seems like i just know one of them and he is a caring person [13:40] that is fantastic to hear [13:40] It kills me how much gaming history on the internet has been lost [13:40] I have lists of gaming sites no longer around some I worked for. [13:49] this kills me [13:49] google: where to download game mods [13:49] fileplanet and moddb are in the top 4 [13:50] is moddb being murdered? [13:51] it was murdered in 2005 [13:51] lost all the previous content [13:51] just like how the current delicious has none of the content prior to 2011 [13:52] I am going through all the sites I used to download stuff from to see if they are still around [14:03] Is anyone keeping an eye on tripod [14:08] i hope so [14:08] i have techcrunch's deadpool tag in my RSS reader, i'm guessing it'll show up there if it does [14:08] (i know, fucking techcrunch) [14:08] winr4r, it is like you read my mind [14:14] 3dpalette.com is also dead [14:14] I am just depressing myself [14:31] omf_: :( [14:40] * winr4r goes back to porting welcometointernet.org to HTML5 [14:43] What a goal! [14:44] SketchCow: i'm actually serious [14:44] and i had to learn that