#archiveteam-bs 2012-07-10,Tue

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Time Nickname Message
00:03 🔗 shaqfu It always feels weird to lie to robots
00:04 🔗 benuski have you gotten the leo mcgarry fan photos robot?
00:05 🔗 shaqfu Nope - had to apply to a job via a robot system, and it asked a yes/no "have you used our niche CMS"
00:06 🔗 shaqfu Where a "no" pipes your application to /dev/null
00:06 🔗 shaqfu Thankfully it's FOSS, so I can quickly roll an install and play with it for an evening if all goes well
00:11 🔗 mistym ?
00:11 🔗 mistym shaqfu: Omeka
00:12 🔗 shaqfu mistym: MDID
00:12 🔗 shaqfu People actually use Omeka!
00:13 🔗 mistym shaqfu: Ah, no kidding! When you name your CMS after your university, you can tell it's based on a "not invented here" philosophy
00:13 🔗 Coderjoe what isn't based on NIH?
00:15 🔗 shaqfu mistym: When it's in "test mode at several institutions" it feels unfair to bin applications based on no experience
00:15 🔗 mistym shaqfu: No kidding
00:15 🔗 shaqfu So, I lied to a robot today about it
00:16 🔗 mistym Its feelings are very hurt, I'm sure
00:17 🔗 benuski We use Omeka for a transcription project, but it makes me angry almost daily
00:17 🔗 benuski today its because it has a hardcoded file size limit, initially of about 10 mb
00:17 🔗 shaqfu benuski: Yeah, it's finicky about stuff like that
00:18 🔗 shaqfu In my use, it's been really fussy with ImageMagicking some filetypes
00:18 🔗 benuski we're only using jpgs and pdfs with it, so its mostly treating us well
00:19 🔗 shaqfu Ah, yeah - don't try it with JPEG2000 or TIFF
00:20 🔗 shaqfu I'm surprised you use it for transcription - aren't there better systems for that?
00:21 🔗 benuski maybe, but omeka + scripto is the best way we've found for our limited IT support. When we started, our volunteers were emailing their word files back to us, so scripto is a big upgrade
00:22 🔗 shaqfu Ah, gotcha. Makes sense if you're limited - Omeka's free and flexible enough to be good-enough for most anything
00:23 🔗 benuski Yeah; our IT team is energetic enough to install whatever we want for us, but we don't have money for big proprietary systems
00:23 🔗 benuski which is fine for me, I prefer FOSS in general
02:54 🔗 shaqfu What's a fair wget delay time, to not rape a server?
03:01 🔗 dashcloud if you're trying to make yourself look more like a person, make sure it's at least a second or two long- otherwise, base it on how soon you expect the server to go down
03:02 🔗 Coderjoe also, the random wait can be useful as well
03:02 🔗 shaqfu It's a small data hosting service in Texas; I figure it can't handle much
03:06 🔗 shaqfu I'll just step it through 3k basic pages overnight at 4 sec each
03:08 🔗 Coderjoe it would be nice if the wait time didn't apply to page requisites, as a normal browser would get those all together, then there would be a delay before moving on to the next page
03:08 🔗 shaqfu Thankfully I'm skipping those
03:08 🔗 shaqfu I just needs wads of text data
03:09 🔗 Coderjoe (as far as hiding out as if you were a human browser and not wget slurping everything down)
03:09 🔗 shaqfu Hm, actually, just grabbing text and telling it to ignore <img> might help their servers
03:09 🔗 shaqfu Ignore the giant American flag banner, at least
03:13 🔗 shaqfu I gotta say, wget+perl are such phenomenal data-building tools
03:13 🔗 chronomex if you want to hide and not look like a robot, browsing a few pages and then leaving never to return would be pretty good idea
03:14 🔗 Coderjoe mmm. ipv6 will make that fun
03:14 🔗 shaqfu chronomex: I don't care about looking like a robot; I care about not doing a one-man DoS attack by accident
03:14 🔗 chronomex I get people on my website who look at 500 pages over the course of 6 hours
03:14 🔗 shaqfu I don't know what their infrastructure looks like
03:14 🔗 chronomex I think they're kind of not people
03:15 🔗 shaqfu But it's a small muni org, so I assume it sucks
03:15 🔗 Coderjoe care to share a domain name?
03:16 🔗 shaqfu http://www.tml.org/source/members/TML_Directory.cfm
03:17 🔗 shaqfu Each page has id=X, and I need to step through about 3k
03:18 🔗 Coderjoe well, the web server appears to be hosted with peer1 dedicated hosting, at least
03:19 🔗 shaqfu Is that solid hosting?
03:19 🔗 Coderjoe but only one server (unless they use a load balancer or the like, which I haven't probed for)
03:20 🔗 Coderjoe ew
03:21 🔗 shaqfu ?
03:21 🔗 Coderjoe it appears to be IIS 6.0 on windows server 2k3
03:22 🔗 Coderjoe (that's what netcraft says. my single wget poke confirms IIS 6.0 and ASP.NET)
03:23 🔗 Aranje so hammer it like the fist of an angry god
03:23 🔗 Aranje IIS on winserver 2k3 is stable like the tectonic plates!
03:23 🔗 shaqfu I wouldn't call 3k pages over a night "hammering"
03:24 🔗 shaqfu Then again, after totally fucking up Parodius by accident I'm really jumpy about that sort of thing
03:25 🔗 Coderjoe parodius would have nabbed you anyway, unless you were grabbing a page a day or something
03:25 🔗 Coderjoe he was watching his network usage and per-host stats pretty closely
03:26 🔗 shaqfu True
03:42 🔗 Aranje github just pulled 100m$ of seed moneys
03:43 🔗 * Aranje claps
03:50 🔗 shaqfu How's github ever plan on making money?
03:50 🔗 shaqfu Selling support?
03:51 🔗 Coderjoe private repos are fee-based
03:51 🔗 shaqfu Ah
03:52 🔗 Coderjoe and possibly ads (that I don't typically see)
03:57 🔗 underscor iirc it's all private repos
03:57 🔗 underscor and their appliance thing
03:58 🔗 shaqfu underscor: Did you get my PM last night?
03:58 🔗 underscor oh hey!
03:58 🔗 underscor yeah, and it's unread :x
03:58 🔗 underscor sorry
03:58 🔗 shaqfu No sweat
04:00 🔗 underscor shaqfu: all moved
04:00 🔗 shaqfu underscor: <3
04:00 🔗 underscor :)
05:49 🔗 ersi I know quite a few GitHub actual costumers
05:50 🔗 ersi Most of them know you can get free private repositories at BitBucket (also git, owned by Alassian) - but they still pay a few dollars to GitHub instead
05:50 🔗 chronomex bitbucket used to be hg-only ;)
05:53 🔗 ersi yeah, I know.
06:21 🔗 SketchCow adkaskdjaksdjas
06:21 🔗 SketchCow OK, working so hard, I'm about to cancel one of my "things"
06:21 🔗 SketchCow Sp I don't die.
06:33 🔗 winr4r not dying is a good plan
06:33 🔗 winr4r it beats doing the opposite, imo
07:37 🔗 BlueMax I'll add SketchCow to the Deathwatch page on the wiki
07:46 🔗 godane 3d world 149 is uploaded: http://archive.org/details/cdrom-3d-world-149
10:13 🔗 godane looks like someone release 3 cover cds of window magazines
10:13 🔗 godane *windows
10:14 🔗 godane comes with images of cd cover and back
17:28 🔗 Schbirid hm, http://archive.org/details/cdbbsarchive is kinda mistitled nowadays because of all the cover discs
19:10 🔗 yipdw csshx is a pretty fun tool
19:23 🔗 underscor <BlueMax> I'll add SketchCow to the Deathwatch page on the wiki
19:23 🔗 underscor hahahaah
19:40 🔗 underscor <Loxodrome> IF I WERE MASTURBATING TO STAR WARS I WOULD BE HAND SOLO
19:42 🔗 Schbirid star wars? does that have something to do with uranus?
19:47 🔗 yipdw Hand Solo and Chewie
19:47 🔗 yipdw that's vaguely disgusting
20:00 🔗 underscor hahaha
22:53 🔗 shaqfu 15:40 < underscor> <Loxodrome> IF I WERE MASTURBATING TO STAR WARS I WOULD BE HAND SOLO
22:53 🔗 shaqfu I forgot what it felt like to log onto IRC and get hit with a Jerkcity line
22:53 🔗 underscor :D
22:55 🔗 shaqfu Thankfully the site is trivial to mirror - can't lose 13+ years of fine quotes about masturbation
23:02 🔗 BlueMax There was a quote database backup project done by an old member
23:02 🔗 BlueMax Worked really well surprisingly
23:02 🔗 BlueMax Guy must have left the AT though
23:10 🔗 winr4r shaqfu: i fucking love jerkcity

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