#archiveteam-bs 2012-07-17,Tue

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00:00 🔗 winr4r arkhive: what are they for? i.e. what filesystem is likely to be on them?
00:00 🔗 arkhive and the text file sounds nice. I would also like to scan the floppy disk to get a nice picture of each one.
00:01 🔗 arkhive (but i don't know if scanning messes the disks up..If it does, then forget that.
00:02 🔗 winr4r arkhive: that would worry me, if there are electric motors in the scanner
00:02 🔗 arkhive oh
00:03 🔗 chronomex winr4r: dust is typically not a problem, your greatest enemy is disk rot from chemical decomposition and delamination of the magnetic particles
00:03 🔗 winr4r arkhive: http://macintoshgarden.org/forum/scanning-floppy-disks
00:03 🔗 winr4r arkhive: they seem to think it's okay
00:03 🔗 chronomex a flatbed optical scanner should not affect the magnetic or chemical properties at all
00:04 🔗 arkhive So far the disks are for Windows 95, Windows 3.x, MS-DOS
00:04 🔗 chronomex if it does, I'll be very suprised
00:05 🔗 arkhive windows NT, windows 98
00:05 🔗 winr4r arkhive: it's easy to grab the files once you have the images, mount -o loop should work
00:06 🔗 arkhive and that's the best way? What do you recommend for damaged discs
00:06 🔗 winr4r arkhive: one of many, probably equally-valid ways
00:07 🔗 arkhive not damaged where they need physical repair but one that needs special software for recovery.
00:08 🔗 winr4r the wiki link gives you options for that, like magnetically scanning the disks
00:08 🔗 arkhive special software because of the magnetic rot or whatever.. anyway...
00:08 🔗 arkhive couldn't say that right.
00:09 🔗 winr4r arkhive: if there's magnetic rot, software won't save you, but special hardware might
00:10 🔗 arkhive oh
00:13 🔗 winr4r although ddrescue *might* help there
00:22 🔗 arkhive heh. The Learning Company IBM/Tandy & Compatibles Version Super Solvers Spellbound! Word Lists 1&2 V1.0
00:22 🔗 winr4r excellent
00:22 🔗 arkhive I remember playing TLC games when I was a little kid.. (22 now)
00:23 🔗 balrog lol, me too, and I'm also 22
00:23 🔗 balrog XD
00:23 🔗 arkhive I was stupid and threw out a bunch of 5 1/4 floppy based games
00:23 🔗 winr4r who are these kids and what are they doing on my lawn
00:23 🔗 winr4r arkhive: :<
00:24 🔗 balrog I kept most of mine.
00:24 🔗 arkhive Just turned 22 on the 13th
00:24 🔗 arkhive :)
00:24 🔗 arkhive I might have more somewhere.
00:27 🔗 winr4r arkhive: if you do, now is the time to spend a little time trying to find them
00:34 🔗 arkhive alright
00:35 🔗 winr4r arkhive: 3.5" disks are well on the way to the glue factory, but 5.25" is on the way through the machine
00:35 🔗 Coderjoe awww... sloshdot headline: "SQL vs NoSQL: Which is better?"
00:35 🔗 winr4r if you haven't read jason's blog post on that from last year, http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/3191
00:36 🔗 winr4r Coderjoe: aren't they adorable
00:36 🔗 Coderjoe and it took until page 2 of the comments to find a link to that good old mongodb youtube video
00:37 🔗 underscor mongodb video
00:37 🔗 underscor ?
00:37 🔗 Coderjoe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs
00:42 🔗 winr4r heh
00:46 🔗 mistym Coderjoe: It's just about the worst headline :(
00:46 🔗 Coderjoe I need to finish lashing my powershot A620 to my 3.5" floppy autoloader and writing up the control scripting ("insert floppy", KF dump, "eject to good bin", take picture of label, repeat)
00:47 🔗 Coderjoe (I'd use a DF if I had one. especially if the software were good)
00:49 🔗 winr4r Coderjoe: !
00:54 🔗 arkhive I found 3 more 3 1/2" floppys and about 50 45's
00:54 🔗 arkhive but no 5 1/4" disks :(
00:54 🔗 winr4r hm :(
00:58 🔗 arkhive oooh and ~75 cassette tapes.
01:00 🔗 winr4r as in music or reallly old software?
01:01 🔗 arkhive music
01:01 🔗 winr4r ah
01:02 🔗 winr4r digitising them is an interesting issue
01:03 🔗 arkhive all of the media I have been mentioning are originals, not backups or copies
01:05 🔗 winr4r i can actually see the value of digitising the tapes even if that stuff is all available digitally
01:05 🔗 winr4r i rather like the sound of tape, and old recordings pre-loudness-wars specifically
01:06 🔗 Coderjoe I have an LD that has a movie that is not on DVD.
01:07 🔗 Coderjoe I also have LDs where the DVD version is different
01:07 🔗 Coderjoe and I had some vinyl that had tracks that hadn't been released on CD yet
01:08 🔗 winr4r that too
01:16 🔗 Coderjoe one big example of LD being different from DVD: star wars
01:18 🔗 winr4r ah, yes
01:19 🔗 winr4r one big example of every single release being different*
01:22 🔗 arkhive yep
01:22 🔗 arkhive agree totally
01:23 🔗 arkhive I had about 150 ? laser discs until just recently
01:23 🔗 arkhive including the star wars trilogy.
01:25 🔗 winr4r damn man
01:26 🔗 arkhive Bad thing about digitizing vinyl, betamax, cassette, vhs, LD, 8-track, 8mm is that you have to let it play through all the way. So when you have hundreds of each it could take years of non stop digitizing before you finish
01:26 🔗 arkhive I have about 200 VHS movies I'd someday like to rip.
01:27 🔗 winr4r that's something that has torn me apart, to be honest
01:28 🔗 arkhive What?
01:28 🔗 winr4r mostly because VHS was never very good and pretty much all of it is on DVD in much better quality
01:28 🔗 winr4r on the other hand, can't bring myself to bin all my VHS tapes
01:28 🔗 arkhive Ya
01:30 🔗 Coderjoe i've got a bunch of tapes recorded off tv/cable I want to digitize
01:30 🔗 Coderjoe yet another thing I need to get around to accomplishing
01:30 🔗 Coderjoe unfortunately, it would amount to massive amounts of disk space
01:31 🔗 winr4r would it?
01:31 🔗 winr4r i mean it would if you ripped them losslessly
01:31 🔗 Coderjoe F lossy compression for archiving
01:31 🔗 winr4r but that would be insane with VHS
01:31 🔗 Coderjoe so you want to add loss on top of the VHS/SVHS loss
01:32 🔗 winr4r Coderjoe: nobody, and i mean nobody, is going to dig up your corpse and put it on trial in 100 years time if they find that you only made a lossy copy of something
01:32 🔗 Coderjoe and potentially more loss when your chosen lossy format goes out of style and you need to transcode
01:33 🔗 winr4r and if it's the difference between archiving something and not archiving something, then i'll take "archiving something" even if it is lossy
01:34 🔗 Coderjoe people are regularly referencing generation 4+ youtube clips and pointing out things that were "obviously modified" due to "the pixels", but which are just compression artifacts from being run through the coffee grinder 5 times
01:34 🔗 winr4r yes
01:34 🔗 winr4r those people are also very stupid
01:35 🔗 Coderjoe i definitely will not argue against that
01:35 🔗 winr4r i'm not saying a lossless copy wouldn't be better, but "don't archive something because if i do so in the only way that i can economically do so, some very stupid people will call it a hoax" seems odd to me
01:36 🔗 dashcloud I've wrangled with this issue a lot recently since I've been doing the same thing
01:36 🔗 dashcloud it really comes to down how much time do you want to spend, and what are your future plans
01:38 🔗 winr4r although Coderjoe does have an interesting point at the same time
01:38 🔗 dashcloud if you just want a DVD, get an MPEG2 encoder card and record all your tapes with that
01:38 🔗 winr4r like, people studying "lossy" scans of apollo photos then concluding that the moon landings were a hoax
01:38 🔗 winr4r (by "lossy" i actually mean "not totally faithful to the original positives", but same thing)
01:39 🔗 dashcloud they had a fascinating talk about people making sense out of noise at HOPE- it covered people thinking ghosts were talking to them from noise in signals
01:39 🔗 Coderjoe mmm
01:39 🔗 Coderjoe EVP
01:39 🔗 winr4r hmm
01:39 🔗 dashcloud I've got the directions to make your own authentic one to hook up to a smartphone or laptop
01:40 🔗 Coderjoe your own authentic one?
01:41 🔗 winr4r WWJSD
01:41 🔗 Coderjoe EVP just needs a recorder... unless you are referring to one of those crazy boxes that includes a "noise source" like a radio scanner or some crap like that
01:41 🔗 Coderjoe a "ghost box" it appears
01:42 🔗 winr4r "i'm a ghost, but one that only gives a shit about people who can hook up crazy hardware to their computer"
01:42 🔗 DFJustin it's a nerd ghost
01:43 🔗 Coderjoe http://www.ghost-tech.com/franks.php
01:43 🔗 dashcloud it was some weird circuit that lots of folks into that like to use
01:48 🔗 Coderjoe also http://www.angelsghosts.com/ghost_box_how_to_videos
01:49 🔗 dashcloud here's the guy that did it- it wasn't a talk by someone that believed in it: http://www.straytechnologies.com/on-the-stranger-side-hope-number-9/
01:51 🔗 Coderjoe did anyone ask about pareidolia?
01:51 🔗 dashcloud I don't know as I don't what that is
01:51 🔗 Coderjoe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia
01:52 🔗 DrainLbry yeah i went ahead and skipped that talk ...
01:53 🔗 DrainLbry i haven't read much on it but uh, yay wasted energy on pseudoscience is my gut feeling
01:54 🔗 Coderjoe pretty much
01:54 🔗 Coderjoe it's the brain's crazy pattern matching engine trying to find patterns where there are none
01:55 🔗 winr4r like the video compression artifacts exposing the whole <thing X> as a hoax? :)
01:55 🔗 Coderjoe yeah
01:56 🔗 Coderjoe or showing that <political celbrity person Y> is a reptilian alien
01:57 🔗 Coderjoe (due to one corrupt frame macroblock getting propagated over and over again until a keyframe cleans it up)
01:58 🔗 winr4r oh, i think i saw that
01:59 🔗 Coderjoe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BdDfN91JrM
02:01 🔗 winr4r do you know what would have been hilarious?
02:01 🔗 Coderjoe mmm
02:01 🔗 winr4r if the left-hand side one got compressed to shit when he uploaded it and the same thing happened
02:01 🔗 Coderjoe old commercials: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wwb5UeWmSd0
02:03 🔗 Coderjoe I wonder if we can still get the particulars of the study by writing to that address :D
02:03 🔗 Coderjoe I love how the end of the address is just "New York City"
02:03 🔗 Coderjoe no state or anything
02:05 🔗 winr4r i love old adverts
02:05 🔗 winr4r by "old" i mean "80s", though, stuff i kiiinda remember
02:06 🔗 Coderjoe well, the crazy part is the bit about dusting the model with radioactive dust
02:07 🔗 winr4r yes, that too
02:09 🔗 shaqfu I have no idea what I just walked into but it sounds insane
02:09 🔗 winr4r hello shaqfu :)
02:13 🔗 DrainLbry esotruhtica - reptilian special - WHAT THE FUCK DID I JUST WATCH?
02:15 🔗 winr4r haha
02:16 🔗 DrainLbry so let me get this right.... there's this entire somewhat serious subculture of people who think some people are reptiles, with the only "proof" basically being digital videos containing artifacting due to compression errors?
02:17 🔗 winr4r yes
02:17 🔗 chronomex that's excellent
02:17 🔗 winr4r you have that exactly right
02:17 🔗 chronomex truly bs
02:17 🔗 Coderjoe well, it all started before the digital artifact bs
02:17 🔗 chronomex what was it then, laser rot?
02:17 🔗 DrainLbry dirty tape
02:18 🔗 Coderjoe from a British Parliament guy that went nuts and started telling people about the reptilian aliens that were controling everything
02:18 🔗 Coderjoe back in the 80s or 90s
02:19 🔗 Coderjoe david icke
02:19 🔗 winr4r Coderjoe: the guy who really brought it to the mainstream over here was a sports television presenter
02:19 🔗 winr4r yes, him
02:19 🔗 shaqfu Wow
02:19 🔗 shaqfu It's not every day you get something even nuttier than Lyndon LaRouche
02:19 🔗 Coderjoe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke
02:20 🔗 winr4r i love that guy
02:20 🔗 Coderjoe ah... framing is everything: http://imgur.com/6nEIf
02:20 🔗 winr4r i'm not even kidding, there's a certain level of insanity where you just gotta love 'em
02:22 🔗 winr4r "Lewis and Kahn argue that Icke is using allegory to depict the alien, and alienating, nature of global capitalism."
02:22 🔗 winr4r NO HE'S ACTUALLY NUTS BRO
02:24 🔗 Coderjoe there are some that think he means Jews
02:24 🔗 DrainLbry he should talk to rogue helicopter pilot guy
02:24 🔗 DrainLbry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA1hyqA6UTY&feature=player_detailpage#t=88s - linked to the juicy part
02:25 🔗 DrainLbry please, don't scare the boyscouts
02:32 🔗 dashcloud is the gold standard of nuts still the timecube guy, or have we moved onto a new standard?
02:32 🔗 DFJustin I dunno if anyone actually passes him, there are some different flavours out there though
02:32 🔗 DFJustin I keep a bookmark collection
02:33 🔗 DrainLbry someone should do a "knowyourmeme" style collection of "knowyourinternetcrazies" - DFJustin, I nominate you
02:33 🔗 DFJustin I'm sure someone's done it already
02:34 🔗 DFJustin I'll dump some links for general amusement
02:34 🔗 DFJustin http://www.angels-light.org/english/default_en.htm
02:34 🔗 winr4r truthism.com
02:34 🔗 * DrainLbry checks he's not on geocities
02:34 🔗 DFJustin http://sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/long.html
02:34 🔗 DFJustin http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/
02:35 🔗 DFJustin http://www.alexchiu.com/cell/frame.htm
02:36 🔗 DFJustin I love how crazy people always put everything on one enormous html page with different font colours
02:37 🔗 shaqfu Maybe they're all aping Time Cube
02:37 🔗 winr4r that or all the crazy people died in 2001
02:37 🔗 winr4r hence the web design
02:37 🔗 DFJustin nah there's some with modern design http://www.lawoftime.org/
02:37 🔗 DrainLbry maybe "they" came for them ...
02:37 🔗 DrainLbry i'm liking your theory winr4r
02:38 🔗 winr4r they're actually all imprisoned in guantanamo bay right now, which was the *** REAL *** agenda behind the "war on terror"
02:39 🔗 DrainLbry but why would the government leave the sites up?
02:39 🔗 shaqfu Good God
02:39 🔗 shaqfu This Joshua page goes on forever
02:40 🔗 DFJustin some of it has been taken down by The Man http://web.archive.org/web/20031001214556/http://www.newphys.se/elektromagnum/physics/LudwigPlutonium/
02:40 🔗 DrainLbry . Internet blurrs the distinction of fair law usage of quoting. It was never really clear to me in the first place.
02:41 🔗 DrainLbry ignroance is bliss
03:22 🔗 SketchCow Ops, please
03:23 🔗 BlueMax Me too? :P
03:23 🔗 BlueMax Also hi Sketch
03:24 🔗 winr4r hi jason
03:24 🔗 mistym Hey Sketch
03:25 🔗 SketchCow Hey
03:26 🔗 SketchCow So my machine went down, because of a dead UPS with host
03:26 🔗 SketchCow I asked after it, they said "oh, it's showing gibberish on console"
03:26 🔗 SketchCow We decided to let go.
03:26 🔗 SketchCow 3 hours later, I go "the disk check really shouldn't take this long"
03:26 🔗 SketchCow Open ticket
03:26 🔗 SketchCow Guy writes "We'll let it go and check on it early morning."
03:26 🔗 SketchCow Jason Scott Mushroom Cloud
03:26 🔗 SketchCow CEO drives over personally to fix
03:26 🔗 SketchCow Hi.
03:26 🔗 winr4r ohhh fuck
03:27 🔗 winr4r haha
03:27 🔗 DrainLbry or ohhh fsck.
03:45 🔗 BlueMax Hahahaha
03:58 🔗 DFJustin http://youchosewrong.tumblr.com/
03:59 🔗 shaqfu Oh man, the Goosebumps line was classic
04:00 🔗 shaqfu Half the forks, if you did the "wrong" thing you'd end up living
04:00 🔗 shaqfu Like "a fierce tiger roars and charges! stand your ground -> it wants a pet"
04:00 🔗 BlueMax I remember a few of them from the old CYOA books
04:01 🔗 BlueMax I wanted to get a full collection of the old books and attempt to archive them
04:01 🔗 BlueMax Never got the chance though
08:20 🔗 BlueMax Do any of you know any good ways to stream video from a Windows PC to a phone/tablet
08:22 🔗 SketchCow VLC has an option
08:23 🔗 SketchCow Of course, you didn't tell us what phone/tablet
08:23 🔗 SketchCow Because that'd be easy.
08:23 🔗 SketchCow "I have a dog. How is he sick?"
08:23 🔗 SketchCow "(waits)"
08:24 🔗 BlueMax Sorry
08:24 🔗 SketchCow Disclaimer: I couldn't care less what tablet/phone you have
08:24 🔗 SketchCow http://www.videolan.org/doc/streaming-howto/en/
08:24 🔗 BlueMax Windows 7 x64 PC, Android
08:24 🔗 BlueMax SketchCow, I tried Android but it has an error message which has a million different fixes, none of which work
08:24 🔗 BlueMax ...I mean I tried VLC
08:24 🔗 SketchCow http://www.androidzoom.com/android_applications/media_and_video/vlc-stream-convert_ixgb.html
08:30 🔗 BlueMax SketchCow I just tried Stream and Convert, it force closed on me twice when I scrolled down the file browser
08:30 🔗 SketchCow Done helping you with this
08:35 🔗 SmileyG why streaming instead of remotely accessing the file?
08:36 🔗 BlueMax Would that work on Android?
08:40 🔗 SmileyG I don't see why not
08:41 🔗 BlueMax What would I use to host a server?
10:49 🔗 BlueMax Found a solution if anyone cares - FTP server + ES File Explorer + RockPlayer Lite works very well strangely
15:00 🔗 ersi BlueMax: That's the worst question I've seen on IRC all week
15:00 🔗 ersi Congrats on grabbing that award bro' :P
15:01 🔗 * BlueMax throws a ball at ersi
15:28 🔗 SmileyG BlueMax: I'd go with samba + ES File explorer personally (or windows file sharing for those without skills ;)
15:30 🔗 BlueMax or Linux, apparently
15:30 🔗 BlueMax Unless my eyes are completely skipping over the Windows builds SmileyG
15:30 🔗 SmileyG Samba is linux version of windows file sharing.
15:30 🔗 BlueMax ...d'oh.
15:30 🔗 SmileyG :D
15:30 🔗 SmileyG It was a dig at windows users :)
15:31 🔗 BlueMax I heard the name a few times and I'm like "what is this"
15:31 🔗 BlueMax I use windows :(
15:31 🔗 BlueMax I've tried to swap to Linux more than once but gotten too annoyed
15:31 🔗 SmileyG also intergrates nicely with cups for printers...
15:31 🔗 SmileyG BlueMax: hmmmm I can understand that if you weren't using gentoo; and If you were..... I guess you weren't doing it right? ;)
15:31 🔗 BlueMax I've used Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Lubuntu and Linux Mint...so no :P
15:32 🔗 SmileyG Oh urggggh
15:32 🔗 SmileyG Though really it depends what you wanted to do.
15:32 🔗 BlueMax General OS replacement, that's all
15:33 🔗 winr4r oh boy
15:33 🔗 winr4r linux vs windows not totally done to the death
15:33 🔗 SmileyG BlueMax: ah, thats asking for alot of "but it works in windows!"
15:33 🔗 winr4r good afternoon, chaps and chapettes
15:34 🔗 SmileyG hey winr4r, cut yo' self up lately?
15:34 🔗 BlueMax SmileyG, that was sort of my reason for swapping back
15:34 🔗 winr4r i've used linux full-time for over a decade, but i still see why people use windows
15:34 🔗 SmileyG winr4r: Indeed.
15:34 🔗 winr4r SmileyG: remarkably, no
15:34 🔗 SmileyG I won't force linux on anyone, but I will laugh at those who use windows and refuse to try it.
15:35 🔗 SmileyG And I'll be mad at those who insist on using it when it makes everyone elses life harder.
15:35 🔗 BlueMax SmileyG, then you'll hate when I try to actually help AT :P
15:35 🔗 winr4r BlueMax: he won't
15:35 🔗 BlueMax also SmileyG, I have a share going, how do I get it into ES File Explorer
15:35 🔗 winr4r but jason will actually murder you
15:35 🔗 SmileyG BlueMax: top of the screen
15:35 🔗 SmileyG theres a drop down box which says.... errrr..... "file" or FS, or phone
15:36 🔗 winr4r (but archive team warrior makes it all better :D)
15:36 🔗 SmileyG hit it and you can choose Lan.
15:36 🔗 SmileyG I only know this as you inspired me to check earlier :D
15:37 🔗 BlueMax It doesn't seem to want to let me in without a username and password even though I opened it to everyone, I'm probably being a huge moron somewhere
15:37 🔗 SmileyG Sorry BlueMax it says "local".
15:37 🔗 SmileyG BlueMax: samba or windows?
15:37 🔗 SmileyG (filesharing?)
15:37 🔗 BlueMax Windows
15:37 🔗 SmileyG Hmmm XP or 7?
15:37 🔗 BlueMax 7
15:37 🔗 SmileyG (if your using vista, me, 98 then I'll just laugh at you son)
15:38 🔗 BlueMax I would too man :P
15:38 🔗 SmileyG ok two sec
15:38 🔗 SmileyG BlueMax: hahaha; how did you "share" the folder?
15:38 🔗 BlueMax right-click, Sharing tab, clicked Share, added "Everybody" with a Read permission level
15:39 🔗 SmileyG heh
15:39 🔗 SmileyG firewall?
15:39 🔗 SmileyG (on the system with the fileshare)
15:39 🔗 BlueMax turned off.
15:40 🔗 BlueMax I never run firewalls
15:40 🔗 BlueMax I know, call me an idiot
15:40 🔗 BlueMax But I have nothing but fucking trouble with them
15:40 🔗 BlueMax Especially since I have an incredibly crappy router
15:40 🔗 SmileyG right
15:40 🔗 SmileyG go back to where you were iwth the "share" button
15:40 🔗 SmileyG below that, advanced sharing..... below that, "Password protection"
15:40 🔗 SmileyG Does it say users must have an account to access the shared folders blah blah?
15:41 🔗 BlueMax Yup, saw the link, changed settings, share works fine, thanks SmileyG for pointing out something my blind ass didn't :P
15:45 🔗 SmileyG Tis quite alright
15:46 🔗 SmileyG you helped me learn 2 things today now :D
15:52 🔗 SmileyG hmmmm
15:52 🔗 SmileyG I can't get ES File explorer to log into our file server :S
16:42 🔗 ersi Hehehe, BlueMax.. he's a funny fellow
16:42 🔗 ersi If I'm not mistaken, he was dead spot on always wanting to do his downloading on Windows with that fuckery piece of shit file system
16:46 🔗 winr4r http://i.imgur.com/UzkWB.jpg i like big BATTERIES and i cannot lie
16:47 🔗 winr4r ersi: i'm not sure he was, i remember one dude got kicked for it though
16:51 🔗 SketchCow A few have.
16:53 🔗 * ersi shrugs
16:53 🔗 winr4r morning jason
16:53 🔗 SketchCow Morning, morning.
17:13 🔗 ersi Rawr, I say
17:13 🔗 ersi RAWR
17:18 🔗 underscor meep
18:20 🔗 omf_ I think yahoo has a chance now. A CEO who is an engineer and willing to front the development of new products
18:20 🔗 omf_ yahoo needs to drop some shit and then make stuff no one else has
18:20 🔗 omf_ they did it before
18:22 🔗 winr4r did they?
18:23 🔗 omf_ they had ajax before google, yui came before just about everything, done a lot for javascript
18:23 🔗 omf_ then their open source stuff
18:24 🔗 omf_ Apache Hadoop was released by yahoo
18:24 🔗 omf_ most of their stuff is much more technical
18:25 🔗 omf_ They were the first to define and use the concept of "Graded Browser Support"
18:25 🔗 omf_ it makes web development much easier
18:25 🔗 omf_ I am actually disappointed in google's open source projects
18:25 🔗 winr4r i think any organisation that gets to a certain size is bound to produce good things, like a sun sends out flares
18:26 🔗 omf_ and then implode and die ;)
18:26 🔗 omf_ When google kills a product they hardly ever open source it
18:26 🔗 winr4r did yahoo ever do that?
18:27 🔗 omf_ yahoo open sources the stuff they use
18:27 🔗 omf_ and they hardly cut shit which is their main problem
18:27 🔗 omf_ and buying far too many other companies
18:27 🔗 omf_ google cuts at least 10 products a year
18:27 🔗 winr4r android, google web toolkit, VP8
18:28 🔗 Schbirid oracle?
18:29 🔗 winr4r i'd like to think that 2M will end up making a lot of middle-managers unemployed
18:29 🔗 omf_ yui, hadoop, jquery, mootools
18:29 🔗 omf_ yeah jquery is something everyone forgets about
18:29 🔗 winr4r omf_: umm
18:29 🔗 omf_ who made it
18:29 🔗 omf_ it has gotten so big
18:30 🔗 winr4r http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Resig
18:31 🔗 winr4r i'm pretty sure that was not yahoo
18:31 🔗 winr4r but yes, yahoo has released some neat open-source shit
18:33 🔗 Schbirid http://www.whispersys.com/redphone-now-open-source.html ! :)
18:33 🔗 winr4r Schbirid: cool
18:34 🔗 Schbirid i want a cool name like moxie marlinspike
18:34 🔗 omf_ oh does anyone have large lists of active domain names? I need to do some data mining on markup
18:35 🔗 winr4r hm
18:35 🔗 Schbirid omf_: alexa offers their top 1M
18:35 🔗 winr4r not of all of them
18:35 🔗 winr4r yes, i was going to say that
18:35 🔗 omf_ isn't it everything but the top 100,000
18:36 🔗 Schbirid no, it is the top 1M
18:36 🔗 Schbirid i've been using it for my robots
18:37 🔗 winr4r http://www.quantcast.com/quantcast-top-million.zip and http://s3.amazonaws.com/alexa-static/top-1m.csv.zip
18:37 🔗 omf_ updated daily
18:37 🔗 omf_ damn!
18:37 🔗 omf_ I recently make all my robots parallel
18:37 🔗 omf_ so much faster
18:38 🔗 omf_ and I am hitting all different sites so no problem
18:38 🔗 omf_ ooh I am going to try it on that micro vps
18:38 🔗 Schbirid iirc i grab the txt files with 20 connections or so. it works so i dont really remember
18:38 🔗 omf_ do you use a custom script or just wget in parallel
18:39 🔗 Schbirid aria2c
18:40 🔗 Schbirid https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/robots-relapse
18:40 🔗 Schbirid i should clean that up
18:40 🔗 Schbirid it is super ugly
18:40 🔗 Schbirid and i stopped putting them into sqlite long ago :(
19:01 🔗 omf_ I was just looking through the aria2 man page
19:04 🔗 omf_ it does not to appear to have an option like wget -p
19:05 🔗 Schbirid true, it is not a website mirroring program
19:06 🔗 omf_ but the bit torrent features are nice

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