[00:00] arkhive: what are they for? i.e. what filesystem is likely to be on them? [00:00] and the text file sounds nice. I would also like to scan the floppy disk to get a nice picture of each one. [00:01] (but i don't know if scanning messes the disks up..If it does, then forget that. [00:02] arkhive: that would worry me, if there are electric motors in the scanner [00:02] oh [00:03] winr4r: dust is typically not a problem, your greatest enemy is disk rot from chemical decomposition and delamination of the magnetic particles [00:03] arkhive: http://macintoshgarden.org/forum/scanning-floppy-disks [00:03] arkhive: they seem to think it's okay [00:03] a flatbed optical scanner should not affect the magnetic or chemical properties at all [00:04] So far the disks are for Windows 95, Windows 3.x, MS-DOS [00:04] if it does, I'll be very suprised [00:05] windows NT, windows 98 [00:05] arkhive: it's easy to grab the files once you have the images, mount -o loop should work [00:06] and that's the best way? What do you recommend for damaged discs [00:06] arkhive: one of many, probably equally-valid ways [00:07] not damaged where they need physical repair but one that needs special software for recovery. [00:08] the wiki link gives you options for that, like magnetically scanning the disks [00:08] special software because of the magnetic rot or whatever.. anyway... [00:08] couldn't say that right. [00:09] arkhive: if there's magnetic rot, software won't save you, but special hardware might [00:10] oh [00:13] although ddrescue *might* help there [00:22] heh. The Learning Company IBM/Tandy & Compatibles Version Super Solvers Spellbound! Word Lists 1&2 V1.0 [00:22] excellent [00:22] I remember playing TLC games when I was a little kid.. (22 now) [00:23] lol, me too, and I'm also 22 [00:23] XD [00:23] I was stupid and threw out a bunch of 5 1/4 floppy based games [00:23] who are these kids and what are they doing on my lawn [00:23] arkhive: :< [00:24] I kept most of mine. [00:24] Just turned 22 on the 13th [00:24] :) [00:24] I might have more somewhere. [00:27] arkhive: if you do, now is the time to spend a little time trying to find them [00:34] alright [00:35] arkhive: 3.5" disks are well on the way to the glue factory, but 5.25" is on the way through the machine [00:35] awww... sloshdot headline: "SQL vs NoSQL: Which is better?" [00:35] if you haven't read jason's blog post on that from last year, http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/3191 [00:36] Coderjoe: aren't they adorable [00:36] and it took until page 2 of the comments to find a link to that good old mongodb youtube video [00:37] mongodb video [00:37] ? [00:37] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs [00:42] heh [00:46] Coderjoe: It's just about the worst headline :( [00:46] I need to finish lashing my powershot A620 to my 3.5" floppy autoloader and writing up the control scripting ("insert floppy", KF dump, "eject to good bin", take picture of label, repeat) [00:47] (I'd use a DF if I had one. especially if the software were good) [00:49] Coderjoe: ! [00:54] I found 3 more 3 1/2" floppys and about 50 45's [00:54] but no 5 1/4" disks :( [00:54] hm :( [00:58] oooh and ~75 cassette tapes. [01:00] as in music or reallly old software? [01:01] music [01:01] ah [01:02] digitising them is an interesting issue [01:03] all of the media I have been mentioning are originals, not backups or copies [01:05] i can actually see the value of digitising the tapes even if that stuff is all available digitally [01:05] i rather like the sound of tape, and old recordings pre-loudness-wars specifically [01:06] I have an LD that has a movie that is not on DVD. [01:07] I also have LDs where the DVD version is different [01:07] and I had some vinyl that had tracks that hadn't been released on CD yet [01:08] that too [01:16] one big example of LD being different from DVD: star wars [01:18] ah, yes [01:19] one big example of every single release being different* [01:22] yep [01:22] agree totally [01:23] I had about 150 ? laser discs until just recently [01:23] including the star wars trilogy. [01:25] damn man [01:26] Bad thing about digitizing vinyl, betamax, cassette, vhs, LD, 8-track, 8mm is that you have to let it play through all the way. So when you have hundreds of each it could take years of non stop digitizing before you finish [01:26] I have about 200 VHS movies I'd someday like to rip. [01:27] that's something that has torn me apart, to be honest [01:28] What? [01:28] mostly because VHS was never very good and pretty much all of it is on DVD in much better quality [01:28] on the other hand, can't bring myself to bin all my VHS tapes [01:28] Ya [01:30] i've got a bunch of tapes recorded off tv/cable I want to digitize [01:30] yet another thing I need to get around to accomplishing [01:30] unfortunately, it would amount to massive amounts of disk space [01:31] would it? [01:31] i mean it would if you ripped them losslessly [01:31] F lossy compression for archiving [01:31] but that would be insane with VHS [01:31] so you want to add loss on top of the VHS/SVHS loss [01:32] Coderjoe: nobody, and i mean nobody, is going to dig up your corpse and put it on trial in 100 years time if they find that you only made a lossy copy of something [01:32] and potentially more loss when your chosen lossy format goes out of style and you need to transcode [01:33] and if it's the difference between archiving something and not archiving something, then i'll take "archiving something" even if it is lossy [01:34] people are regularly referencing generation 4+ youtube clips and pointing out things that were "obviously modified" due to "the pixels", but which are just compression artifacts from being run through the coffee grinder 5 times [01:34] yes [01:34] those people are also very stupid [01:35] i definitely will not argue against that [01:35] i'm not saying a lossless copy wouldn't be better, but "don't archive something because if i do so in the only way that i can economically do so, some very stupid people will call it a hoax" seems odd to me [01:36] I've wrangled with this issue a lot recently since I've been doing the same thing [01:36] it really comes to down how much time do you want to spend, and what are your future plans [01:38] although Coderjoe does have an interesting point at the same time [01:38] if you just want a DVD, get an MPEG2 encoder card and record all your tapes with that [01:38] like, people studying "lossy" scans of apollo photos then concluding that the moon landings were a hoax [01:38] (by "lossy" i actually mean "not totally faithful to the original positives", but same thing) [01:39] they had a fascinating talk about people making sense out of noise at HOPE- it covered people thinking ghosts were talking to them from noise in signals [01:39] mmm [01:39] EVP [01:39] hmm [01:39] I've got the directions to make your own authentic one to hook up to a smartphone or laptop [01:40] your own authentic one? [01:41] WWJSD [01:41] EVP just needs a recorder... unless you are referring to one of those crazy boxes that includes a "noise source" like a radio scanner or some crap like that [01:41] a "ghost box" it appears [01:42] "i'm a ghost, but one that only gives a shit about people who can hook up crazy hardware to their computer" [01:42] it's a nerd ghost [01:43] http://www.ghost-tech.com/franks.php [01:43] it was some weird circuit that lots of folks into that like to use [01:48] also http://www.angelsghosts.com/ghost_box_how_to_videos [01:49] here's the guy that did it- it wasn't a talk by someone that believed in it: http://www.straytechnologies.com/on-the-stranger-side-hope-number-9/ [01:51] did anyone ask about pareidolia? [01:51] I don't know as I don't what that is [01:51] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia [01:52] yeah i went ahead and skipped that talk ... [01:53] i haven't read much on it but uh, yay wasted energy on pseudoscience is my gut feeling [01:54] pretty much [01:54] it's the brain's crazy pattern matching engine trying to find patterns where there are none [01:55] like the video compression artifacts exposing the whole as a hoax? :) [01:55] yeah [01:56] or showing that is a reptilian alien [01:57] (due to one corrupt frame macroblock getting propagated over and over again until a keyframe cleans it up) [01:58] oh, i think i saw that [01:59] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BdDfN91JrM [02:01] do you know what would have been hilarious? [02:01] mmm [02:01] if the left-hand side one got compressed to shit when he uploaded it and the same thing happened [02:01] old commercials: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wwb5UeWmSd0 [02:03] I wonder if we can still get the particulars of the study by writing to that address :D [02:03] I love how the end of the address is just "New York City" [02:03] no state or anything [02:05] i love old adverts [02:05] by "old" i mean "80s", though, stuff i kiiinda remember [02:06] well, the crazy part is the bit about dusting the model with radioactive dust [02:07] yes, that too [02:09] I have no idea what I just walked into but it sounds insane [02:09] hello shaqfu :) [02:13] esotruhtica - reptilian special - WHAT THE FUCK DID I JUST WATCH? [02:15] haha [02:16] so let me get this right.... there's this entire somewhat serious subculture of people who think some people are reptiles, with the only "proof" basically being digital videos containing artifacting due to compression errors? [02:17] yes [02:17] that's excellent [02:17] you have that exactly right [02:17] truly bs [02:17] well, it all started before the digital artifact bs [02:17] what was it then, laser rot? [02:17] dirty tape [02:18] from a British Parliament guy that went nuts and started telling people about the reptilian aliens that were controling everything [02:18] back in the 80s or 90s [02:19] david icke [02:19] Coderjoe: the guy who really brought it to the mainstream over here was a sports television presenter [02:19] yes, him [02:19] Wow [02:19] It's not every day you get something even nuttier than Lyndon LaRouche [02:19] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke [02:20] i love that guy [02:20] ah... framing is everything: http://imgur.com/6nEIf [02:20] i'm not even kidding, there's a certain level of insanity where you just gotta love 'em [02:22] "Lewis and Kahn argue that Icke is using allegory to depict the alien, and alienating, nature of global capitalism." [02:22] NO HE'S ACTUALLY NUTS BRO [02:24] there are some that think he means Jews [02:24] he should talk to rogue helicopter pilot guy [02:24] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA1hyqA6UTY&feature=player_detailpage#t=88s - linked to the juicy part [02:25] please, don't scare the boyscouts [02:32] is the gold standard of nuts still the timecube guy, or have we moved onto a new standard? [02:32] I dunno if anyone actually passes him, there are some different flavours out there though [02:32] I keep a bookmark collection [02:33] someone should do a "knowyourmeme" style collection of "knowyourinternetcrazies" - DFJustin, I nominate you [02:33] I'm sure someone's done it already [02:34] I'll dump some links for general amusement [02:34] http://www.angels-light.org/english/default_en.htm [02:34] truthism.com [02:34] * DrainLbry checks he's not on geocities [02:34] http://sunnyokanagan.com/joshua/long.html [02:34] http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/ [02:35] http://www.alexchiu.com/cell/frame.htm [02:36] I love how crazy people always put everything on one enormous html page with different font colours [02:37] Maybe they're all aping Time Cube [02:37] that or all the crazy people died in 2001 [02:37] hence the web design [02:37] nah there's some with modern design http://www.lawoftime.org/ [02:37] maybe "they" came for them ... [02:37] i'm liking your theory winr4r [02:38] they're actually all imprisoned in guantanamo bay right now, which was the *** REAL *** agenda behind the "war on terror" [02:39] but why would the government leave the sites up? [02:39] Good God [02:39] This Joshua page goes on forever [02:40] some of it has been taken down by The Man http://web.archive.org/web/20031001214556/http://www.newphys.se/elektromagnum/physics/LudwigPlutonium/ [02:40] . Internet blurrs the distinction of fair law usage of quoting. It was never really clear to me in the first place. [02:41] ignroance is bliss [03:22] Ops, please [03:23] Me too? :P [03:23] Also hi Sketch [03:24] hi jason [03:24] Hey Sketch [03:25] Hey [03:26] So my machine went down, because of a dead UPS with host [03:26] I asked after it, they said "oh, it's showing gibberish on console" [03:26] We decided to let go. [03:26] 3 hours later, I go "the disk check really shouldn't take this long" [03:26] Open ticket [03:26] Guy writes "We'll let it go and check on it early morning." [03:26] Jason Scott Mushroom Cloud [03:26] CEO drives over personally to fix [03:26] Hi. [03:26] ohhh fuck [03:27] haha [03:27] or ohhh fsck. [03:45] Hahahaha [03:58] http://youchosewrong.tumblr.com/ [03:59] Oh man, the Goosebumps line was classic [04:00] Half the forks, if you did the "wrong" thing you'd end up living [04:00] Like "a fierce tiger roars and charges! stand your ground -> it wants a pet" [04:00] I remember a few of them from the old CYOA books [04:01] I wanted to get a full collection of the old books and attempt to archive them [04:01] Never got the chance though [08:20] Do any of you know any good ways to stream video from a Windows PC to a phone/tablet [08:22] VLC has an option [08:23] Of course, you didn't tell us what phone/tablet [08:23] Because that'd be easy. [08:23] "I have a dog. How is he sick?" [08:23] "(waits)" [08:24] Sorry [08:24] Disclaimer: I couldn't care less what tablet/phone you have [08:24] http://www.videolan.org/doc/streaming-howto/en/ [08:24] Windows 7 x64 PC, Android [08:24] SketchCow, I tried Android but it has an error message which has a million different fixes, none of which work [08:24] ...I mean I tried VLC [08:24] http://www.androidzoom.com/android_applications/media_and_video/vlc-stream-convert_ixgb.html [08:30] SketchCow I just tried Stream and Convert, it force closed on me twice when I scrolled down the file browser [08:30] Done helping you with this [08:35] why streaming instead of remotely accessing the file? [08:36] Would that work on Android? [08:40] I don't see why not [08:41] What would I use to host a server? [10:49] Found a solution if anyone cares - FTP server + ES File Explorer + RockPlayer Lite works very well strangely [15:00] BlueMax: That's the worst question I've seen on IRC all week [15:00] Congrats on grabbing that award bro' :P [15:01] * BlueMax throws a ball at ersi [15:28] BlueMax: I'd go with samba + ES File explorer personally (or windows file sharing for those without skills ;) [15:30] or Linux, apparently [15:30] Unless my eyes are completely skipping over the Windows builds SmileyG [15:30] Samba is linux version of windows file sharing. [15:30] ...d'oh. [15:30] :D [15:30] It was a dig at windows users :) [15:31] I heard the name a few times and I'm like "what is this" [15:31] I use windows :( [15:31] I've tried to swap to Linux more than once but gotten too annoyed [15:31] also intergrates nicely with cups for printers... [15:31] BlueMax: hmmmm I can understand that if you weren't using gentoo; and If you were..... I guess you weren't doing it right? ;) [15:31] I've used Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Lubuntu and Linux Mint...so no :P [15:32] Oh urggggh [15:32] Though really it depends what you wanted to do. [15:32] General OS replacement, that's all [15:33] oh boy [15:33] linux vs windows not totally done to the death [15:33] BlueMax: ah, thats asking for alot of "but it works in windows!" [15:33] good afternoon, chaps and chapettes [15:34] hey winr4r, cut yo' self up lately? [15:34] SmileyG, that was sort of my reason for swapping back [15:34] i've used linux full-time for over a decade, but i still see why people use windows [15:34] winr4r: Indeed. [15:34] SmileyG: remarkably, no [15:34] I won't force linux on anyone, but I will laugh at those who use windows and refuse to try it. [15:35] And I'll be mad at those who insist on using it when it makes everyone elses life harder. [15:35] SmileyG, then you'll hate when I try to actually help AT :P [15:35] BlueMax: he won't [15:35] also SmileyG, I have a share going, how do I get it into ES File Explorer [15:35] but jason will actually murder you [15:35] BlueMax: top of the screen [15:35] theres a drop down box which says.... errrr..... "file" or FS, or phone [15:36] (but archive team warrior makes it all better :D) [15:36] hit it and you can choose Lan. [15:36] I only know this as you inspired me to check earlier :D [15:37] It doesn't seem to want to let me in without a username and password even though I opened it to everyone, I'm probably being a huge moron somewhere [15:37] Sorry BlueMax it says "local". [15:37] BlueMax: samba or windows? [15:37] (filesharing?) [15:37] Windows [15:37] Hmmm XP or 7? [15:37] 7 [15:37] (if your using vista, me, 98 then I'll just laugh at you son) [15:38] I would too man :P [15:38] ok two sec [15:38] BlueMax: hahaha; how did you "share" the folder? [15:38] right-click, Sharing tab, clicked Share, added "Everybody" with a Read permission level [15:39] heh [15:39] firewall? [15:39] (on the system with the fileshare) [15:39] turned off. [15:40] I never run firewalls [15:40] I know, call me an idiot [15:40] But I have nothing but fucking trouble with them [15:40] Especially since I have an incredibly crappy router [15:40] right [15:40] go back to where you were iwth the "share" button [15:40] below that, advanced sharing..... below that, "Password protection" [15:40] Does it say users must have an account to access the shared folders blah blah? [15:41] Yup, saw the link, changed settings, share works fine, thanks SmileyG for pointing out something my blind ass didn't :P [15:45] Tis quite alright [15:46] you helped me learn 2 things today now :D [15:52] hmmmm [15:52] I can't get ES File explorer to log into our file server :S [16:42] Hehehe, BlueMax.. he's a funny fellow [16:42] If I'm not mistaken, he was dead spot on always wanting to do his downloading on Windows with that fuckery piece of shit file system [16:46] http://i.imgur.com/UzkWB.jpg i like big BATTERIES and i cannot lie [16:47] ersi: i'm not sure he was, i remember one dude got kicked for it though [16:51] A few have. [16:53] * ersi shrugs [16:53] morning jason [16:53] Morning, morning. [17:13] Rawr, I say [17:13] RAWR [17:18] meep [18:20] I think yahoo has a chance now. A CEO who is an engineer and willing to front the development of new products [18:20] yahoo needs to drop some shit and then make stuff no one else has [18:20] they did it before [18:22] did they? [18:23] they had ajax before google, yui came before just about everything, done a lot for javascript [18:23] then their open source stuff [18:24] Apache Hadoop was released by yahoo [18:24] most of their stuff is much more technical [18:25] They were the first to define and use the concept of "Graded Browser Support" [18:25] it makes web development much easier [18:25] I am actually disappointed in google's open source projects [18:25] i think any organisation that gets to a certain size is bound to produce good things, like a sun sends out flares [18:26] and then implode and die ;) [18:26] When google kills a product they hardly ever open source it [18:26] did yahoo ever do that? [18:27] yahoo open sources the stuff they use [18:27] and they hardly cut shit which is their main problem [18:27] and buying far too many other companies [18:27] google cuts at least 10 products a year [18:27] android, google web toolkit, VP8 [18:28] oracle? [18:29] i'd like to think that 2M will end up making a lot of middle-managers unemployed [18:29] yui, hadoop, jquery, mootools [18:29] yeah jquery is something everyone forgets about [18:29] omf_: umm [18:29] who made it [18:29] it has gotten so big [18:30] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Resig [18:31] i'm pretty sure that was not yahoo [18:31] but yes, yahoo has released some neat open-source shit [18:33] http://www.whispersys.com/redphone-now-open-source.html ! :) [18:33] Schbirid: cool [18:34] i want a cool name like moxie marlinspike [18:34] oh does anyone have large lists of active domain names? I need to do some data mining on markup [18:35] hm [18:35] omf_: alexa offers their top 1M [18:35] not of all of them [18:35] yes, i was going to say that [18:35] isn't it everything but the top 100,000 [18:36] no, it is the top 1M [18:36] i've been using it for my robots [18:37] http://www.quantcast.com/quantcast-top-million.zip and http://s3.amazonaws.com/alexa-static/top-1m.csv.zip [18:37] updated daily [18:37] damn! [18:37] I recently make all my robots parallel [18:37] so much faster [18:38] and I am hitting all different sites so no problem [18:38] ooh I am going to try it on that micro vps [18:38] iirc i grab the txt files with 20 connections or so. it works so i dont really remember [18:38] do you use a custom script or just wget in parallel [18:39] aria2c [18:40] https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/robots-relapse [18:40] i should clean that up [18:40] it is super ugly [18:40] and i stopped putting them into sqlite long ago :( [19:01] I was just looking through the aria2 man page [19:04] it does not to appear to have an option like wget -p [19:05] true, it is not a website mirroring program [19:06] but the bit torrent features are nice