#archiveteam-bs 2012-07-23,Mon

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01:10 🔗 Lord_Nigh everything from mobileme here has been sent in
01:10 🔗 Lord_Nigh i don't think all the copies here have been deleted yet though
02:30 🔗 Paradoks I think I've uploaded about 99% of what MobileMe stuff I have, but my OS hard drive has been dying, and now very little works. Thankfully it's not a data-loss issue, but it'll be a little while before I run the upload script again.
02:31 🔗 Paradoks Then again, perhaps someone else also downloaded those bits anyway.
03:41 🔗 shaqfu Odd; I'm getting a "scheme missing" when wget'ing with --input
03:41 🔗 shaqfu Even though it's a textfile of URLs that it wgets fine individually
03:59 🔗 shaqfu Oh, hah; forgot http:// before the url
04:14 🔗 chronomex heh
04:27 🔗 Nintendud always the simple stuff
04:30 🔗 shaqfu Nintendud: I know that you collect something interesting, but I don't remember what
04:30 🔗 shaqfu It was either mags or discs
04:31 🔗 Nintendud Both.
04:31 🔗 shaqfu And I swear, this place becomes more and more UG Exclave
04:31 🔗 Nintendud Haha. I was sucked into here last year outside of UG.
04:31 🔗 shaqfu Yeah, I remember you doing something with DFJ(?)
04:33 🔗 Nintendud yeah, sortof. DFJustin mentioned that archive.org was interested in my PC Gamer disc collection
04:33 🔗 Nintendud so I contacted SketchCow and uploaded them to his server
04:33 🔗 Nintendud I'm working on a second batch to upload and add to the collection
04:35 🔗 Nintendud I have a bunch of other non-pcgamer discs that I plan to contribute once I get this project done
04:35 🔗 Nintendud I have a crapload of magazines as well, but, as far as I know, contributing them means destroying them.
04:35 🔗 Nintendud which I'm unwilling to do
04:39 🔗 shaqfu Ah, gotcha
04:39 🔗 Nintendud but anyway, last year I ran a box that helped index some of the Yahoo Video content
04:39 🔗 Nintendud since apparently it was rate limited on a per-IP basis. I didn't have the bandwidth or space at the time to help out with actual video archiving
04:52 🔗 Coderjoe why would it require destroying them?
04:52 🔗 Coderjoe perfectbound? they make book scanners for that
04:52 🔗 shaqfu Coderjoe: Is that the glue-based binding vs. staples?
04:53 🔗 Nintendud I thought that the only way to scan magazines was to destroy the binding
04:53 🔗 Nintendud Perhaps I'm wrong.
04:53 🔗 shaqfu For stapled ones, you can always just restaple them
04:53 🔗 Nintendud If destroying them is not necessary, then I would happily lend them for archiving.
04:53 🔗 Nintendud Most aren't stapled.
04:54 🔗 Nintendud Only the smaller pamphlet-sized ones are stapled
04:54 🔗 Nintendud or the ones that are <30 pages long or so
04:54 🔗 shaqfu Yeah, it's not common. Stuff like NP was always glue-bound
04:54 🔗 Nintendud Yup.
04:54 🔗 * Nintendud has every Nintendo Power magazine
04:55 🔗 shaqfu But their inserts, I think, were glue
04:55 🔗 shaqfu Er, staple
04:55 🔗 Nintendud if they had comics inside, the comics were bound with staples
04:56 🔗 shaqfu When did they have comics? I just remember the ones printed in the mag, like Metroid and Zelda and Nester
04:56 🔗 Nintendud Pokemon.
04:56 🔗 shaqfu Must've been after I stopped reading
04:56 🔗 Nintendud Yeah. It was during my childhood.
04:58 🔗 Nintendud I have a bunch of miscellaneous cool stuff from shuey, though. Like a folder filled with funcoland pamphlets that list the purchase price of various games
04:58 🔗 shaqfu Oh, neat. Those are always useful for charting
04:58 🔗 shaqfu Big data: video games edition
04:59 🔗 Nintendud those could easily be scanned in.
04:59 🔗 shaqfu Do you have any scanned ATM?
04:59 🔗 shaqfu Curious to see them
05:00 🔗 Nintendud Nope. And they are all the way in my condo, on the other coast of the US.
05:00 🔗 * Nintendud is in California for the summer.
05:00 🔗 Nintendud If you poke me come September, I'd happily scan one or two
05:01 🔗 shaqfu Do you know if they're up anywhere else?
05:01 🔗 Nintendud I haven't actually searched around
05:02 🔗 Nintendud http://www.nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=29&threadid=67695
05:03 🔗 Nintendud Looks like I'm not the only one with copies of them, though
05:03 🔗 shaqfu Wow, that's complete
05:07 🔗 Nintendud I should scan them, run OCR on them, and correct them using mechanical turk tasks
05:07 🔗 Nintendud lol
05:07 🔗 Nintendud er, correct the transcription
05:08 🔗 underscor a one-vehicle crash in texas, a pick-up truck struck some trees and no people. 10 dead, 12 injured.
05:08 🔗 Nintendud o_o
05:08 🔗 underscor http://bigstory.ap.org/article/authorities-10-dead-after-truck-crashes-texas
05:08 🔗 underscor I just
05:09 🔗 underscor how do you fit 22 people in an f-250?!
05:09 🔗 shaqfu Nintendud: That'd be fantastic
05:09 🔗 shaqfu It'd be neat to chart avg game prices over time
05:09 🔗 Nintendud yeah, and when they appear/disappear off the chart
05:10 🔗 shaqfu underscor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMCRffoTiGE
05:11 🔗 underscor ooh
05:15 🔗 Aranje underscor:) You've obviously never grown up on a farm. It's pretty easy.
05:15 🔗 Aranje My mother fit about that many people in her chrystler new yorker in high school.
05:17 🔗 underscor :o
05:19 🔗 underscor http://metaception.com/schwa/
05:19 🔗 underscor one of my favorite phenomes
05:20 🔗 Aranje lol
05:21 🔗 Aranje It's also worthwhile to note that her chrystler new yorker's name was "The Jesus Chrystler"
05:22 🔗 shaqfu Rofl
05:56 🔗 shaqfu Fuck
05:57 🔗 shaqfu Either 1/1/1970 was a busy day, or the idiots behind this site let a date default to UNIX genesis :(
05:58 🔗 Nintendud lol nice
07:22 🔗 chronomex fuck fuck goddamn nibble swapped bullshit
07:29 🔗 SmileyG nibble
08:02 🔗 winr4r good morning my lovelies
08:15 🔗 SmileyG o/
08:15 🔗 SmileyG Please keep me entertained today to stop me going bonkers!
08:26 🔗 winr4r okay!
08:26 🔗 winr4r :)
08:35 🔗 SmileyG :D
08:43 🔗 winr4r work is much more fun when i can swear about shit on IRC anyway
08:44 🔗 SmileyG :D
08:44 🔗 SmileyG well I'm just banging my head against a wall here
08:44 🔗 SmileyG stupid stupid CentOS kernel
08:46 🔗 winr4r what's wrong with it?
08:48 🔗 SmileyG using CFQ scheduler I think
08:50 🔗 chronomex no, chronomex, stop coding and go to bed.
08:50 🔗 chronomex or at least watch some tv
08:53 🔗 winr4r haha
08:53 🔗 winr4r go to fucking bed
12:48 🔗 godane got internet back
12:58 🔗 winr4r hi godane
13:00 🔗 godane hey winr4r
13:01 🔗 godane uploading more gbtv
13:01 🔗 godane i'm saddly missing part of episode 2011-12-09
13:01 🔗 godane one of the on the record episodes
13:08 🔗 winr4r awesome :)
13:19 🔗 godane i should be able to get all of dec 2011 up by the end of this week
13:20 🔗 winr4r excellent :)
13:20 🔗 godane then i will start doing jan 2012
13:47 🔗 * SmileyG ponders
13:57 🔗 godane SmileyG: What are you pondering about?
14:04 🔗 SmileyG everything
14:04 🔗 SmileyG had a headache all day :/
14:04 🔗 SmileyG I actually woke up with it
14:05 🔗 Coderjoe are you pondering what I'm pondering?
14:07 🔗 godane like we do every night
14:07 🔗 godane try to backup the internet
14:12 🔗 SmileyG god I have so many projects my head spins sometimes
14:15 🔗 godane i'm just slowly uploading stuff to archive.org
14:15 🔗 godane not thinking i'm going to get it all up there
14:16 🔗 godane but a good chuck of it i hope
14:16 🔗 godane also btw i got episode 12-06-2011 of gbtv up
14:16 🔗 godane uploading episode 12-07-2011
14:18 🔗 godane i also plan on getting everything off of my 500gb usb hard drive
14:18 🔗 godane today
14:19 🔗 godane i plan on only putting the stuff i don't want to lose on the 500gb usb
14:24 🔗 godane is there any plans on doing a flickr backup?
14:34 🔗 SmileyG hmmmm
14:34 🔗 SmileyG trying to grab an iso here at work from a provider.
14:34 🔗 SmileyG wget ends up with a html file o_O
14:35 🔗 SmileyG ah I need to login or use the cookie some how, I've never done this before, can you help godane or winr4r ? :D
14:37 🔗 SmileyG ah got it, found some plugin to export the cookies.txt :D
14:51 🔗 winr4r SmileyG: :)
16:12 🔗 godane winr4r: Uploaded: http://archive.org/details/GBTV_12_07_2011
16:12 🔗 godane 2 episodes was uploaded today
16:13 🔗 winr4r cool :)
16:13 🔗 godane uploading my third episode for today
16:19 🔗 godane i also downloaded some sony playstation magazines
16:19 🔗 godane the Official US Playstation magazine
16:44 🔗 winr4r godane: cool!
16:48 🔗 godane i'm close to getting the full digit magazine
16:49 🔗 godane its a tech magazine from india
16:49 🔗 godane there is also a digit magazine from uk thats about digital artist
16:50 🔗 winr4r awesome :)
16:50 🔗 godane also getting chip magazines from india
16:51 🔗 godane 2008 to 2009 ones
16:51 🔗 godane torrent is slow but its downloading
16:51 🔗 godane just its about dialup
16:51 🔗 godane speed
16:53 🔗 godane looks like one person has everything for digit
16:53 🔗 godane but its only one tracker udp
16:54 🔗 Aranje sounds about right.
19:00 🔗 balrog_ SketchCow: just fyi, you did seem to drop off freenode
19:02 🔗 SmileyG did we get delicious?
19:06 🔗 SmileyG as in delicious.com ?
19:06 🔗 SmileyG Man I say we like I'm involved. heh.
19:08 🔗 winr4r royal we
19:08 🔗 winr4r i know jason was doing something on that count
19:16 🔗 balrog_ btw is there a list of scanned Dr. Dobbs magazine issues?
19:17 🔗 balrog_ the very earliest issues were on acid paper
19:31 🔗 shaqfu balrog_: Acid paper? How old/cheap is it?
19:33 🔗 balrog_ 70s
19:33 🔗 balrog_ it's pretty yellow, almost orange
19:33 🔗 shaqfu Yikes
19:33 🔗 shaqfu Is this your personal collection, or Temple? I know they collected a few 'zines
19:33 🔗 shaqfu (IIRC they have a run of OSFAN)
20:15 🔗 balrog_ shaqfu: not official Temple
20:17 🔗 balrog_ hey shattered
20:17 🔗 shattered and hey again
20:17 🔗 balrog_ #archiveteam tends to be used for more official Archive Team related stuff, and some people complain when we go too off-topic there :p
20:17 🔗 shattered so, I've got maybe 500 floppy disks
20:17 🔗 shattered 5 1/4
20:17 🔗 balrog_ hmm, nice
20:18 🔗 balrog_ what sort of formats / data on them?
20:18 🔗 shattered didn't count them yet
20:18 🔗 shattered PC, ZX Spectrum, DEC RT-11, CP/M
20:18 🔗 balrog_ ah, neat
20:18 🔗 shattered maybe some Apple II (clone)
20:19 🔗 shattered there's a lot of unidentified ones -- i've already processed around 150 of these
20:19 🔗 balrog_ no label?
20:19 🔗 shattered some labeled, but still not readable as MFM
20:19 🔗 balrog_ ahhh
20:19 🔗 shattered these might be GCR
20:19 🔗 balrog_ or might be bulk erased.
20:20 🔗 shattered no info.
20:20 🔗 shattered a retrocomputing club collected these and it's shut down now
20:20 🔗 balrog_ ooh
20:20 🔗 balrog_ yeah. try to get whatever materials they had.
20:20 🔗 shattered they are saving the machines elsewhere, I got the warez!1
20:20 🔗 balrog_ would be nice to image the hard drives from the machines though
20:21 🔗 balrog_ I'm involved with the Discferret, but we're a little stalled on the software side at this point, unfortunately. I'm trying to get things moving there but it's hard to find people who are motivated and skilled
20:21 🔗 shattered that's not too simple, they are mostly MFM
20:21 🔗 shattered anyway, the HDs are not accessible atm.
20:21 🔗 balrog_ MFM hard drives ... doable but annoying.
20:22 🔗 balrog_ Shugart/Seagate didn't even follow their own standard for the early ones.
20:22 🔗 shattered yeah, there was one that I'd really like to get dumped, but it's lost and/or fried
20:22 🔗 balrog_ :[
20:23 🔗 balrog_ what sort of drives do you have?
20:23 🔗 shattered I'll get the machine I used to dump them on soon, it's got a confirmed working drive
20:24 🔗 shattered I used to use an Epson SD-800 (dual), but it was slightly b0rked
20:24 🔗 balrog_ aahhh.
20:25 🔗 balrog_ certain disks read better in a 360K drive
20:25 🔗 balrog_ (because of the wide head)
20:25 🔗 shattered hm hm
20:26 🔗 shattered I think most of these disks are 96tpi
20:26 🔗 balrog_ yeah, most are
20:27 🔗 shattered and they were written on 720K drive
20:27 🔗 shattered at least
20:27 🔗 shattered I'll try to get a 360K drive too
20:27 🔗 balrog_ as for the more unusual disks ... it's tricky, especially when you don't know what format they are
20:29 🔗 shattered I wrote some shell scripts that help
20:29 🔗 shattered they mostly use fdrawcmd
20:29 🔗 balrog_ I see
20:29 🔗 balrog_ have you heard of anadisk?
20:29 🔗 shattered only heard, not used
20:29 🔗 balrog_ it's pretty neat, but can only do FM/MFM
20:30 🔗 balrog_ Lord_Nigh knows more about it than I do
20:30 🔗 shattered one of the simpler weird formats has 1K sectors and disjoint sector numbering
20:30 🔗 shattered i.e. 1 2 3 4 5 19
20:31 🔗 balrog_ huh.
20:31 🔗 shattered used by certain OS for Spectrum
20:31 🔗 balrog_ shaqfu: I did get an epson 1640xl though :)
20:31 🔗 balrog_ ooh. interesting!
20:31 🔗 balrog_ do you have hard-sectored disks too?
20:31 🔗 shattered iS-DOS
20:31 🔗 shattered no
20:31 🔗 shattered 8", you mean?
20:32 🔗 balrog_ no, hard-sectored
20:32 🔗 balrog_ they have an index hole for each sector
20:32 🔗 shattered ah
20:32 🔗 shattered I thought these only existed in 8"
20:32 🔗 balrog_ pretty sure they existed in both
20:32 🔗 Lord_Nigh they exist in 5.25" too
20:32 🔗 Lord_Nigh i have a box of them here
20:32 🔗 shattered never saw one :-)
20:33 🔗 Lord_Nigh i think one or two really early 5.25" things used them
20:33 🔗 Lord_Nigh they were not popular
20:33 🔗 Lord_Nigh since the advent of soft sectoring had come into play
20:34 🔗 shattered some of the more weird things I'd like to dump is this: http://victorborisov.ru/professor/december_26_2009/photo_14.jpg
20:34 🔗 balrog_ that a laserdisc?
20:35 🔗 shattered yep
20:35 🔗 shattered not just any
20:35 🔗 balrog_ hmm, vt-320. neat.
20:35 🔗 shattered a disc for DEC's IVIS educational system
20:35 🔗 balrog_ you have a lot of DEC stuff?
20:35 🔗 shattered not really
20:35 🔗 shattered and this disc is not mine
20:35 🔗 balrog_ btw, anyone here know what's the best way to scan microfiche?
20:35 🔗 balrog_ well, laserdiscs can be dumped pretty well, including ones for data systems
20:36 🔗 balrog_ again, ask Lord_Nigh, and he can direct you to the right people
20:36 🔗 mistym laserdisc <3
20:36 🔗 balrog_ you need certain models of LD player, as well as certain video capture cards
20:36 🔗 balrog_ otherwise you'll miss the between-frame data
20:36 🔗 shattered owner of this disc is hard to deal with, so I've put this idea on hold
20:37 🔗 balrog_ :/
20:37 🔗 mistym :/
20:38 🔗 mistym balrog_: Depends on how the data's stored, too. e.g. Laseractive stuff is stored on the digital audio track, and most players don't have a reliable output for that.
20:38 🔗 balrog_ yeah, which is why I said *certain* models
20:39 🔗 mistym Is there actually a player with a bulletproof data-out for that? I'd be interested in knowing that.
20:39 🔗 balrog_ well, afaik the MAME guys have it more or less down to a science
20:40 🔗 mistym Yeah, but I thought the LDs they're dumping leave the data on the arcade board, and only really have minimal metadata on the disc itself.
20:40 🔗 mistym Could be wrong though.
20:40 🔗 balrog_ plenty of them have important data in the Philips codes
20:40 🔗 balrog_ http://aarongiles.com/?p=238 etc
20:41 🔗 mistym Ah, yeah, true! That's actually different from what I'm talking about though.
20:42 🔗 shattered there should be docs on DEC IVIS, though
20:42 🔗 shattered and I think someone on #classiccmp has one
20:43 🔗 balrog_ mistym: yeah
20:43 🔗 balrog_ right now what we're looking for DEC-wise is VK100/GIGI documentation, schematics in particular
20:43 🔗 shattered I guess bitsavers doesn't have it?
20:44 🔗 balrog_ nope
20:45 🔗 shattered and neither does scribd and other places
20:46 🔗 balrog_ nope
20:49 🔗 balrog_ I'll be back in some time :)
20:49 🔗 godane i have digit magazine from 2001 and 2002
20:50 🔗 shattered well, at least the part number is known, MP-00893-00
21:06 🔗 Lord_Nigh interesting, i HAVE a vt-320
21:06 🔗 Lord_Nigh if you need to get the LD ripped, email aaron giles, he can direct you to warren ondras and others who have a functional LD ripping setup
21:07 🔗 Lord_Nigh while i have an LD player here i don't have the special type of capture card which is needed to grab the philips codes from vblank :(
21:07 🔗 Lord_Nigh i also don't have ANY LDs
21:07 🔗 Lord_Nigh just the player
21:07 🔗 mistym What did you get the player for?
21:07 🔗 Lord_Nigh rescued from university trash
21:07 🔗 mistym Aha
21:07 🔗 Lord_Nigh i rescued it to eventually get a ripping setup going
21:08 🔗 Lord_Nigh but i need that ati-all-in-wonder-II-PRO PCI or AGP card plus some 'slightly modified' drivers to get the vblank ripping working
21:09 🔗 Lord_Nigh aaron can be emailed at aaron@aarongiles.com iirc
21:09 🔗 * shattered has neither ld player nor ld's
21:09 🔗 Lord_Nigh actually let me email aaron and warren right now asking about what card that is again, snce i can probably snag one for cheap on ebay
21:09 🔗 shattered buy two, you never know when it fails
21:12 🔗 Lord_Nigh if i get an LD ripping rig running, can you arrange to lend that LD?
21:12 🔗 Lord_Nigh the IVIS vt320 ones
21:12 🔗 Lord_Nigh -s
21:12 🔗 shattered also, do you know about 'Glass TTY VT220' font?
21:13 🔗 Lord_Nigh i've heard of it
21:13 🔗 shattered Lord_Nigh: I might give it a try, but do you realize I'm in Russia? :-)
21:13 🔗 Lord_Nigh ah
21:13 🔗 Lord_Nigh wait YOU'RE the guy who made the cyrillic vt220 font?
21:13 🔗 shattered yeah
21:14 🔗 shattered er, no
21:14 🔗 shattered I only saved the font itself, and svofski found it and made the TTF version
21:15 🔗 shattered I did not expect someone would actually find it useful, but there it is
21:15 🔗 Lord_Nigh ah
21:15 🔗 Lord_Nigh was the font one of the ones listed here: http://npj.netangels.ru/shattered/inventory/fonts
21:15 🔗 shattered yep
21:15 🔗 Lord_Nigh ok
21:15 🔗 Lord_Nigh decfnt.zip and vt_fonts.zip iirc are dead links
21:16 🔗 Lord_Nigh one was mirrored on a fortunecity site but even archiveteams archive of fortunecity messed up since the file is 0 bytes
21:16 🔗 shattered that site is not accessible to me now
21:16 🔗 Lord_Nigh in the archive
21:16 🔗 shattered but I do have the files
21:16 🔗 shattered let me put them somewhere
21:16 🔗 Lord_Nigh ok
21:19 🔗 shattered http://goput.it/ze3.zip vt_fonts.zip
21:20 🔗 shattered http://goput.it/13f.zip cyrvtfnt.zip
21:20 🔗 shattered http://goput.it/ai6.zip decfnt.zip
21:20 🔗 shattered http://goput.it/tn0.rar vt_fonts.rar -- might be a dup
21:43 🔗 Lord_Nigh thx grabbing
21:45 🔗 Lord_Nigh git em
21:45 🔗 Lord_Nigh got em
21:45 🔗 Lord_Nigh thanks!
21:50 🔗 shattered any time
22:40 🔗 shaqfu Bahahahaha
22:40 🔗 shaqfu Reading the flames on Twitter
22:46 🔗 winr4r wow
22:46 🔗 winr4r i'm reading the retard on twitter
22:50 🔗 winr4r well, that was a bit harsh since i'm sure she's not actually as dumb as she's pretending to be, but wow, that was weak
22:51 🔗 winr4r "When I encounter snark and alarmist talk, I often stop listening"
22:51 🔗 winr4r or, "i was not listening to the talk but i'm okay with criticising it anyway"
22:51 🔗 DFJustin ehh could just be having a bad day
22:52 🔗 winr4r yeah, probably
22:52 🔗 winr4r :)
22:55 🔗 shaqfu Kinda surprised he ended up at a law lib conference
22:55 🔗 shaqfu http://www.softconference.com/aall/handouts/handouts.html
22:56 🔗 shaqfu Litigation, law students, legal research, Archive Team, international law resources
22:59 🔗 winr4r o/~ one of these things is not like the others o/~
23:00 🔗 balrog_ winr4r: what on twitter?
23:02 🔗 winr4r good morning/evening balrog_
23:03 🔗 winr4r tl;dr: someone goes to see JS, doesn't actually listen to JS, imagines things he said, blah blah blah
23:04 🔗 shaqfu Also, I want a cross of motherboards
23:04 🔗 shaqfu That sounds like a badass thing to have
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