#archiveteam-bs 2012-08-05,Sun

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00:29 ๐Ÿ”— godane so i fixed the occuprint.org mirror to work on localhost
01:09 ๐Ÿ”— godane hey S[h]O[r]T
01:50 ๐Ÿ”— godane looked like techcrunch.com/2008/11 failed on me
01:50 ๐Ÿ”— godane the first 5 days was not downloaded
01:50 ๐Ÿ”— godane will try again
02:16 ๐Ÿ”— Coderjoe blarg
02:17 ๐Ÿ”— Coderjoe skip (or someone uploading under his account) is fudging metadata.
02:17 ๐Ÿ”— Coderjoe such as one item that is a black and white silent film but the metadata says "sound, color"
02:21 ๐Ÿ”— shaqfu Coderjoe: THe metadata's fine - you just need to take more hallucinogens before watching
02:28 ๐Ÿ”— Coderjoe you mean so that instead of seeing the intertitles with the dialogue, I hear them?
02:28 ๐Ÿ”— Coderjoe dude! I can hear green!
02:30 ๐Ÿ”— godane got my url script for engadget
02:30 ๐Ÿ”— godane i just don't think there is a way to add multiable urls into one warc.gz
02:31 ๐Ÿ”— godane most cause it can't be done in like a loop
02:32 ๐Ÿ”— Coderjoe i wonder if -i can be used with the mirror commands
02:32 ๐Ÿ”— Coderjoe you can also specify multiple urls on the command line
02:33 ๐Ÿ”— godane so just make it one big string then?
02:34 ๐Ÿ”— godane my script makes a list of urls
02:34 ๐Ÿ”— godane how do you convert it from a list to one big string?
04:47 ๐Ÿ”— winr4r good morning my loves
04:47 ๐Ÿ”— BlueMax Shush honey, the game's on
04:48 ๐Ÿ”— winr4r haha.
05:52 ๐Ÿ”— godane hey winr4r
06:11 ๐Ÿ”— winr4r hi godane :)
06:11 ๐Ÿ”— winr4r what have you been archiving lately?
06:11 ๐Ÿ”— godane i backed up occuprint.org
06:11 ๐Ÿ”— winr4r cool. :)
06:11 ๐Ÿ”— godane since there is nothing in the wayback magazine
06:12 ๐Ÿ”— godane i had to change the .tar.gz mirror dump though
06:12 ๐Ÿ”— winr4r good job
06:12 ๐Ÿ”— godane this was so the files didn't need to be changed
06:13 ๐Ÿ”— godane for i in $(echo $web); do
06:13 ๐Ÿ”— godane mkdir -p $(basename $i .html)
06:13 ๐Ÿ”— godane mv -f -$i $(basename $i .html)/index.html
06:14 ๐Ÿ”— godane done
06:14 ๐Ÿ”— godane also web=$(ls *.html)
06:14 ๐Ÿ”— godane this need to be done for mirror dump to work offline
06:15 ๐Ÿ”— godane occupywallst.org is not even archived
06:16 ๐Ÿ”— godane now i think i have to do a dump of that too
06:23 ๐Ÿ”— godane way back magazine has no reason to not archive these sites
06:24 ๐Ÿ”— godane the robots are no around
06:55 ๐Ÿ”— underscor YOUR INTEREST PAID WAS CALCULATED USING YOUR DAILY BALANCE FOR 32 DAYS FOR AN ANNUAL PERCENTAGE YIELD EARNED OF 0.01%. THIS BRINGS YOUR YTD INTEREST PAID TO 0 . 0 1 .
06:55 ๐Ÿ”— underscor w00t
06:55 ๐Ÿ”— underscor $0.01 interest this month on my checking account
07:01 ๐Ÿ”— godane hey underscor
07:04 ๐Ÿ”— underscor hai
07:04 ๐Ÿ”— underscor going to zzz very soon
07:10 ๐Ÿ”— godane underscor: i got occuprint.org
07:10 ๐Ÿ”— BlueMax underscor, nooooooo
07:10 ๐Ÿ”— BlueMax I need someone intelligent to talk to
07:25 ๐Ÿ”— winr4r underscor: don't spend it all at once kid
07:29 ๐Ÿ”— winr4r godane: if they're less than six months old, i think, then the archives are not publically available
07:30 ๐Ÿ”— godane ok
07:37 ๐Ÿ”— godane uploading another gbtv episode
08:23 ๐Ÿ”— BlueMax You just submit the Kickstarter project SketchCow?
08:26 ๐Ÿ”— Schbirid http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/742794980/citi-bois-first-music-video?ref=recently_launched
08:28 ๐Ÿ”— BlueMax lol, someone pledged but didn't even pick a pledge level
08:46 ๐Ÿ”— godane the ouya console got 6.6 million dollars
09:06 ๐Ÿ”— DFJustin the most recently indexed wayback entries are actually over a year old right now
09:07 ๐Ÿ”— DFJustin so anything newer than july 2011 won't show up
09:07 ๐Ÿ”— DFJustin not sure what the holdup is
09:33 ๐Ÿ”— Schbirid there always is a delay
09:36 ๐Ÿ”— DFJustin well I would expect there to be a rolling delay, it hasn't budged in months
09:36 ๐Ÿ”— Schbirid iirc there is a note about wayback delay in the faqs somewhere
09:37 ๐Ÿ”— Schbirid at least i remember wondering many years ago
12:19 ๐Ÿ”— godane glenn beck borrowed the lincoln desk
12:34 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG sooo errrm wtf
12:34 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG I remove all the dust/hair from my fan intakes..... the temp rises.
12:35 ๐Ÿ”— godane thats not good
12:45 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG yah, confused
12:45 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG unless more dust went in :/
12:45 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG I'll clean it out shortly
12:45 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG ah well my frog tank is clean now at least :)
13:45 ๐Ÿ”— godane i got 2.3 gb of techcrunch.com
13:49 ๐Ÿ”— godane uploading my occuprint.org mirror
15:20 ๐Ÿ”— godane yoohoo is awesome
15:43 ๐Ÿ”— Coderjoe 0.01% not 0.10%? (both are pretty damn terrible rates, though)
15:47 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG hmmm here in the UK we don't do the whole debit/checking account thing
15:47 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG but a "default" account has 0.01; at least I have one account with that low of a rate.
15:49 ๐Ÿ”— DoubleJ SimleyG: Dunno about the bank underscor's at, but even regular savings accounts have shit rates at a lot of US banks now. Sub-1% APR on mine last I checked. Or maybe 1% on the dot.
15:53 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG hmmmm saving accounts I'm not sure of here now
15:53 ๐Ÿ”— * SmileyG googles and sees around 4% for the cash isas (Tax free)
16:00 ๐Ÿ”— DoubleJ Yeah, nothing like that around here. Since my savings account is a holdover from Wachovia, it's up at 3/4% or so (hard to get them to actually say what it is online).
16:01 ๐Ÿ”— DoubleJ A new one is 0.01%, at which point you might as well just stuff cash under your mattress.
16:02 ๐Ÿ”— DoubleJ Last time I saw savings accounts with more than a percent or two for a rate was before the housing bubble popped.
16:17 ๐Ÿ”— Schbirid http://iobound.com/pareidoloop/
16:20 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG 3
16:20 ๐Ÿ”— godane burning another bluray
16:28 ๐Ÿ”— dashcloud so a possibly rhetorical question: is it better to try to do something perfectly, and only make a little progress, or make some compromises so you can actually finish the project?
16:33 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG depends on the project...
16:43 ๐Ÿ”— Schbirid if women then the latter
16:45 ๐Ÿ”— dashcloud I've been trying to dump all my VHS tapes to DVD, and I thought I would dump to a lossless format, then do all the work from there. I'm now leaning towards just using my hardware capture card to make DVD video out of it right away.
16:45 ๐Ÿ”— dashcloud I've got commercial movies and a pile of tapes with things taped from TV.
16:46 ๐Ÿ”— godane dashcloud: any techtv stuff?
16:47 ๐Ÿ”— dashcloud nope- just broadcast TV stuff
16:47 ๐Ÿ”— godane ok
16:58 ๐Ÿ”— godane uploaded: http://archive.org/details/occuprint.org-20120804-mirror
16:59 ๐Ÿ”— godane i explained my changes to the .tar.gz mirror dump the best i could
17:27 ๐Ÿ”— emijrp i don't fully understand the topic, i demand a explanation right now
17:33 ๐Ÿ”— shaqfu What about it?
17:59 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG which topic?
17:59 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG :D
17:59 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG Oh
18:05 ๐Ÿ”— emijrp http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_p9Mhu2LAlRY/TAHCLo19lLI/AAAAAAAAATA/swqV9fdAs2Q/s1600/11430353.jpg
18:07 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG the magicans job?
18:08 ๐Ÿ”— emijrp my occupation, ghost
19:10 ๐Ÿ”— arkhive Anyone have an opinion on the best piece of hardware and software to use when transferring Apple formatted 5.25" floppies to a modern PC. (with the use of an Apple 5.25" external disk drive and without the Apple II)
19:10 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG dd...
19:10 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG not sure of hardware...
19:15 ๐Ÿ”— winr4r http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Rescuing_Floppy_Disks
19:15 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ Hardware? Discferret, but software side it's a bit deficient
19:15 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ We're trying to work on that though
19:16 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG well I thought the linu kernel stil had supporyt for the old apple drives?
19:16 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ You'd need a Mac though
19:16 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG not if the kernel has support.
19:17 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ Hmm?
19:17 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ How would that work?
19:17 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ The Apple drives have nonstandard hardware
19:17 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG Won't mount as fd....
19:17 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG balrog_: the kernel contains the drivers; you just need the hardware...
19:17 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG (if)
19:18 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ And how do you connect the hardware?
19:18 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/MAC_FLOPPY.html <<< these ones.
19:18 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG balrog_: not sure; I've never seen one
19:18 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ Yeah that's for Linux on Macs
19:19 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG Ok, so what connector does this external drive have?
19:19 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG without knowing that we can't say anything else :/
19:19 ๐Ÿ”— arkhive just a sec
19:19 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ Apple 19-pin
19:20 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG db19?
19:20 ๐Ÿ”— arkhive It's 19 pin
19:21 ๐Ÿ”— arkhive named Apple 5.25 Drive
19:21 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/MAC_FLOPPY.html
19:21 ๐Ÿ”— arkhive model number A9M0107
19:21 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ Using Apple drives to image disks is not so good because of lack of index
19:21 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG errr
19:21 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG wrong link
19:21 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG http://www.thesvd.com/svd/apple-2c-notes.php#cable
19:21 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG thyere we go
19:21 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG wish I could wire up cables now;
19:22 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ It wouldn't be so easy anyway :(
19:23 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG hmmmm
19:23 ๐Ÿ”— arkhive link to what it looks like http://www.vintagemacworld.com/drives/app525.jpg
19:24 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG oooo pretty
19:25 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ Yeah I have several of those things
19:26 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG http://www.deviceside.com/fc5025.html
19:26 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG go gogo
19:26 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ those are not too bad but a bit limited
19:26 ๐Ÿ”— arkhive SmileyG: That doesn't work with copy protected disks
19:27 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ yeah
19:27 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ discferret does but I need to put more time into doing the software
19:27 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ :/
19:27 ๐Ÿ”— arkhive Your the dev?
19:27 ๐Ÿ”— arkhive cool
19:27 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ I'm one of the software devs
19:27 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ we're short right now :/
19:27 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ I'd like to do something that can be used for the file format project too
19:28 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ or rather can help with that
19:28 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ since disk formats and file formats have a lot in common
19:29 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ there's some working decoder support in MESS right now
19:30 ๐Ÿ”— arkhive balrog_: Should I wait until discferret is more developed
19:30 ๐Ÿ”— arkhive ?
19:30 ๐Ÿ”— arkhive oh
19:30 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ kryoflux people don't have much support for Apple II formats, especially protected, because they're hard
19:30 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ the Apple II gave developers raw access to the floppy drive
19:31 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ and that 19-pin connector gives direct stepper control
19:31 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ so there were some rather crazy forms of protection
19:31 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ the other issue with Apple II is that index hole
19:32 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ and flippy disks
19:32 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ apple drives lack index sensing
19:35 ๐Ÿ”— winr4r a question about flippies: how come they were evidently easy enough to read/write then, but (presumably) the same drive hooked up to a computer can't read them now?
19:35 ๐Ÿ”— winr4r this is something i've not understood
19:35 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ okay
19:35 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ the original Apple II did not have an index hole sensor *at all*
19:36 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ however, copy protected disks were often written with software that used critical timing loops or with duplicators
19:36 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ and copy protection used sync-locked tracks
19:37 ๐Ÿ”— winr4r gotcha
19:37 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ now, when you use a double sided floppy drive to read a disk, the heads are offset
19:37 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ and the bottom head can't reach the first tracks on one of the sides
19:37 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ hacking the track 0 sensor can cause alignment issues :(
19:37 ๐Ÿ”— winr4r ah :(
19:38 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ so the way we've done it so far is by adding an additional index sensor
19:38 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ there were some photos on SketchCow's flickr of this mod :P
19:41 ๐Ÿ”— winr4r okay, that makes sense now
19:41 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG woah deep :<
19:42 ๐Ÿ”— winr4r hio SmileyG
19:42 ๐Ÿ”— arkhive balrog_: when you said kryoflux people don't have much support for Apple II formats did you mean to say discferret people?
19:43 ๐Ÿ”— arkhive I'm confused in what you recommend I should do to dump these floppies
19:43 ๐Ÿ”— arkhive (Totally new to Apple II hardware)
19:44 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ arkhive: I meant kryoflux people รขย€ย”ร‚ย if you're not familiar with the kryoflux, they make a board to read disks but they're mainly amiga focused
19:44 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ and their software is closed :/
19:45 ๐Ÿ”— arkhive ah
19:45 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ copy protection is a pain, and Apple II copy protection makes Amiga stuff look easy
19:45 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ :/
19:52 ๐Ÿ”— arkhive So what do you recommend for me dumping my apple formatted floppies?(excuse my ignorance) :)
19:53 ๐Ÿ”— Schbirid my dad has some program to clone apple II discs and somehow we managed to get the data onto a 286 from there. not with copy prptection though i guess
19:56 ๐Ÿ”— DFJustin for non copy protected disks I'd recommend getting an apple II and a serial cable for use with adtpro
19:57 ๐Ÿ”— DFJustin I don't think there's a solution to use the drive by itself like there is with c64
19:59 ๐Ÿ”— DFJustin for copy protected disks it's pretty involved, you need either a kryoflux or a discferret and a PC 5.25" drive that's been modded to handle flippy disks
20:00 ๐Ÿ”— DFJustin alternatively there may be somebody with the equipment who you can mail the goods to
20:04 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ we usually accept disks but right now we temporarily aren't
20:18 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh especially appleII disks
20:18 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh pc disks we can still do, but appleII we have a large backlog filling 2 cardboard boxes
20:33 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ hmm
20:33 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ thinking about hacking up cwtool
20:34 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ what do you think, Lord_Nigh ?
20:34 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ I think it would be a decent stopgap
20:36 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh cwtool to use the df? would be nice...
20:36 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh but it can only read unprotected a2 disks anyway
20:38 ๐Ÿ”— balrog_ yeah, but it would make the df much more useful at this point
20:44 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh i suppose
20:45 ๐Ÿ”— Lord_Nigh maybe ask karsten if he wants one of the 4 extras...
23:02 ๐Ÿ”— Coderjoe woo
23:02 ๐Ÿ”— Coderjoe 6 hours 30 minutes, bitches
23:08 ๐Ÿ”— underscor Coderjoe: SmileyG: that was checking. my savings is 0.11% but I think I'm in the lowest balance bracket right now
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