#archiveteam-bs 2012-09-18,Tue

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00:01 🔗 Coderjoe interesting to see the TV News recording project become public knowlege.
00:02 🔗 Coderjoe I've seen the derives in the queue over the past several months
00:04 🔗 underscor :)
00:04 🔗 * underscor is so excited
00:04 🔗 underscor http://archive.org/details/tv?q=jason%20scott
00:05 🔗 Coderjoe doh
00:08 🔗 Coderjoe murderer, police officer...
00:08 🔗 soultcer And worst of all: Archivist
00:09 🔗 underscor hahaha
00:15 🔗 Coderjoe mmm
00:15 🔗 Coderjoe love the accuracy of some of the CC data:
00:16 🔗 Coderjoe >> jon: welcome to "the daily show." my name is jiewrtdment
00:18 🔗 Coderjoe is jon stewart or steven cole bear in your life?
00:18 🔗 underscor hahah
00:19 🔗 Coderjoe of course, it isn't the first time I have seen mangled CC data. I've seen it plenty of times on TVs.
00:20 🔗 underscor http://archive.org/details/tv?q=rape%20showers
00:23 🔗 BlueMax lol
00:24 🔗 BlueMax damn you autocorrect
01:02 🔗 underscor hahaha, I now have _@don.gs
01:02 🔗 underscor fuck yes
01:07 🔗 DFJustin yeah I've watched TV with CCs on for years (despite hearing fine) and live news can be pretty hilarious
01:09 🔗 underscor hell yes
01:09 🔗 underscor someone else who watches TV with CC on
01:09 🔗 underscor everyone always thinks I'm a freal
01:09 🔗 underscor freak*
01:11 🔗 dashcloud on a related topic, is everyone in restaurants an expert lip reader? there's never CC on when the volume is off
01:13 🔗 DFJustin like they'll type part of it, fuck up, backspace it, type something else, then decide to just fuck it and skip ahead because they're three sentences behind
01:13 🔗 DFJustin it must suck if you're deaf :(
01:13 🔗 dashcloud also, a PSA for everyone: the most important thing about backups isn't having one- it's having a recent/up-to-date one (otherwise you'll look for the one item that HASN'T been backed recently)
01:14 🔗 DFJustin also one that you've tested to actually be usable
01:31 🔗 chronomex underscor: got it from visinin?
01:31 🔗 underscor hm?
01:31 🔗 chronomex don.gs
01:34 🔗 chronomex the email address, underscor
01:34 🔗 underscor oh, maybe. I know him by a different nick
01:35 🔗 chronomex ah
01:37 🔗 underscor dudestache / soto
01:39 🔗 chronomex k
02:05 🔗 underscor so how would you explain what ipv6 is to like
02:05 🔗 underscor your mom
02:05 🔗 underscor (assuming she's not computer savvy)
02:06 🔗 Swizzle Whats going on with the software collection at archive.org? Completely hidden now
02:07 🔗 underscor woah
02:07 🔗 underscor did it use to be in the top header?
02:07 🔗 underscor on https://archive.org/
02:07 🔗 Swizzle Yea, it used to be and it's not anymore. They added TVNews and OpenLibrary
02:08 🔗 Swizzle You can't search inside the collection right now either
02:08 🔗 underscor wow
02:10 🔗 underscor Swizzle: it was an admin decision.
02:10 🔗 underscor idk what will happen going forward
02:10 🔗 underscor :/
02:12 🔗 DFJustin underscor: when they assign numbers to computers on the internet, they only left a space big enough for numbers up to 4 billion, and now there's more computers than that in the world so we have to upgrade everything with a wider space
02:13 🔗 DFJustin is how I would put it
02:14 🔗 DFJustin seems like horizontal space is the last thing we're running out of with monitors nowadays....
02:19 🔗 DFJustin should be possible to decouple search at least, since the Education section is searchable (although it seems like that ought to be advertised more too)
02:43 🔗 dashcloud you could go with the transition from 7 digit dialing to 10 digit dialing - not a perfect example, but I think it might work well
02:47 🔗 Coderjoe nevermind that everyone seems to have decided to ignore 268 million addresses over fears of router bugs that might be triggered by their use
02:48 🔗 underscor which are you referring to?
02:49 🔗 dashcloud there's also the folks that use supposedly internally-routable only addresses for public-facing uses
02:49 🔗 underscor class D and E addresses?
02:49 🔗 underscor also, we could take 56.0.0.0/8 from usps
02:50 🔗 Coderjoe I'm referring to "class E" space
02:50 🔗 underscor yeah, ok
02:50 🔗 Coderjoe 240/4
02:52 🔗 Coderjoe while I kinda dislike NAT, I also do not see the reason to use non-1918 addresses for machines which cannot talk with the outside world, at least without a proxy server in between.
02:52 🔗 Coderjoe (but in general are never to communicate directly with the outside world)
02:57 🔗 Coderjoe 240/4 alone is 1/16 of the total ipv4 space. And everyone doesn't want to use it for fear of bugs.
03:04 🔗 Coderjoe note that the internet has been classless for over a decade, so referring to blocks as "class n" isn't entirely valid anymore
03:04 🔗 Coderjoe I wish there was more widespread use of multicast. however, it IS being used, so it should be left alone.
03:05 🔗 Coderjoe (multicast uses what you called "class D", or 224/4)
03:44 🔗 underscor haha, sorry
03:44 🔗 underscor we learned calssfully in NetArchFund, so I tend to refer to them like that
03:44 🔗 underscor even though it's not really accurate now
04:14 🔗 chronomex 19:52:02 <@Coderjoe> while I kinda dislike NAT, I also do not see the reason to use non-1918 addresses for machines which cannot talk with the outside world, at least without a proxy server in between.
04:15 🔗 chronomex having gigantor pools of reserved addresses is nice for people who have multiple vpns to peer together
04:15 🔗 chronomex e.g. I put my personal vpn on 22.2.2.x, so I have no trouble with anyone else's addresses clashing with mine
04:51 🔗 Coderjoe 22 is allocated to the defense information systems agency
04:53 🔗 chronomex yes, and it's not advertised
04:53 🔗 Coderjoe you might be better off with a 172.16/16 address. I don't think I have ever seen those. failing that, there is the entire 240/4 space (except 255.255.255.255) you can use
04:54 🔗 chronomex 172.16/16 is rfc1822 reserved
04:54 🔗 chronomex I've seen them used all over
04:54 🔗 Coderjoe 1918
04:54 🔗 chronomex er, yes
04:54 🔗 chronomex besides why do you care what address I use internally
04:54 🔗 Coderjoe and I have never seen them used. I see 10/8 and 192.168/16 all over the place
04:55 🔗 Coderjoe and I meant 172.16/12 >_<
04:55 🔗 chronomex I see 172s in a bunch of places.
04:56 🔗 Coderjoe because if you're going to use real (that is, non-1918) IP addresses for internal use, you should be using ones assigned to you.
04:58 🔗 chronomex tell that to cell carriers
04:58 🔗 Coderjoe and I cannot recall ever seeing a 172.16/12 address. I mostly have seen 192.168/16 with a few 10/8 (I even use 10/8 at home, but that's partly because that is what a cisco router we used for awhile was originally st for)
04:58 🔗 chronomex tmobile's customer-facing data network squats just about all the unrouted /8s
04:59 🔗 chronomex as I said I see a lot of 172s
04:59 🔗 Coderjoe well, then they're in the wrong
04:59 🔗 chronomex shut the fuck up
04:59 🔗 chronomex it's a goddamn address
05:00 🔗 Coderjoe an address that everyone generally needs to agree on who controls it and uses it in order for things to work
05:00 🔗 chronomex yes
05:00 🔗 Coderjoe why don't they squat on the google IPs and MITM on you?
05:00 🔗 Coderjoe though they can MITM you with their routers anyway
05:01 🔗 chronomex tmo assigns customers in my area IPs in 25/8
05:01 🔗 chronomex they put it behind nat
05:01 🔗 chronomex I'm not going to argue this any further
05:01 🔗 chronomex there's nothing wrong with it, so long as you know that you're doing unusual things and they may break
05:01 🔗 chronomex I'm sure they're aware of this
05:01 🔗 godane i'm uploading more episodes of gbtv
07:30 🔗 SmileyG 172?
07:30 🔗 SmileyG not 127?
07:31 🔗 * SmileyG ponders
07:32 🔗 SmileyG routing everything to localhost ftw!
07:32 🔗 SketchCow Localhost can take it
07:32 🔗 SketchCow Localhost is one tough Motherf...shut yo mouth! I'm talking about localhost
07:42 🔗 SmileyG lol
09:05 🔗 godane uploaded 5 episodes of gbtv
09:06 🔗 godane my latest upload: http://archive.org/details/GBTV_04_20_2012
11:17 🔗 godane i created some code to work around my problem with underground gamer
18:02 🔗 SketchCow Hey
18:06 🔗 balrog- hi SketchCow
18:06 🔗 balrog- seems Daring Fireball picked up the news from IA :) http://daringfireball.net/linked/2012/09/18/internet-archive-tv-news
19:34 🔗 underscor 172s are fairly common
19:34 🔗 underscor 22/8 and 56/8 are both pretty safe
19:34 🔗 underscor if you don't want to use a 1918 address
19:34 🔗 underscor hahaha, wow I am days late
19:34 🔗 underscor sorry
19:48 🔗 Schbirid hey bullshitters!
19:49 🔗 Schbirid anyone got a sexy BASH snippet to split a string in two variables at a "/"? i want to supply parentdir/subdir as argument to a script and then split it into two varaibles accordingly
19:50 🔗 Schbirid i could grep sed like crazy but i might learn a new trick
19:53 🔗 Schbirid ${1%/*?} gets me the first text before the /
19:54 🔗 alard $(basename $1) ; $(dirname $1)
19:55 🔗 Schbirid duh...
19:55 🔗 Schbirid thanks
19:57 🔗 alard It works, but you haven't learned how to split a string.
19:57 🔗 SmileyG awk
19:57 🔗 SmileyG or....
19:57 🔗 SmileyG I do at work :<
19:57 🔗 SmileyG Schbirid: if you can wait til tomorrow then yes;
19:58 🔗 SmileyG you just need to swap my . for /
19:58 🔗 Schbirid no, alard's solution is wonderful
19:58 🔗 SmileyG k :P
20:43 🔗 Coderjoe Schbirid: basename/dirname should work, I think
21:13 🔗 SketchCow http://www.flickr.com/photos/nr2097/7999811527/in/photostream/
21:38 🔗 mistym SketchCow: Awesome.
21:40 🔗 * mistym really wants to put up the "we are going to rescue your shit" poster somewhere in her office
21:40 🔗 mistym Except I just knows I'll have to censor it
21:41 🔗 mistym *know
21:41 🔗 DFJustin cleverly layer another poster over the bottom right
21:48 🔗 mistym Ha.
22:09 🔗 SketchCow WE ARE GOING TO RIZZLE YOUR SHIZZLE
22:09 🔗 mistym IN THE SHIZOUSE
22:09 🔗 underscor t SketchCow please do not rizzle my shizzle over the carpet
22:09 🔗 underscor I just got it cleaned
22:09 🔗 chronomex well
22:10 🔗 chronomex IN THE SHIZOUSE BACKYARD THEN
22:10 🔗 mistym THE SHIZYARD
22:10 🔗 chronomex *SHIZARD
22:10 🔗 chronomex which sounds suspiciously like the name of a pokemon
22:10 🔗 mistym Shizard uses rizzle! It's not very effective.
22:11 🔗 chronomex "TIL that there is such a thing as an elevator enthusiast community. I'm at least 55% sure that it's just a joke though. http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLE5766A4BCA781D9C&feature=plcp "
22:12 🔗 mistym If something exists, there is an enthusiast community for it.
22:16 🔗 SketchCow Haw, Hipmunk now includes Linear Air as an option.
22:16 🔗 SketchCow That's insane.
22:16 🔗 SketchCow If someone books Linear through hipmunk I will fuck a hat factory.
22:17 🔗 underscor I would fuck a hat factory regardless
22:27 🔗 godane now 4 more episodes of gbtv is uploaded
22:29 🔗 DFJustin yeah I found the elevator enthusiasts a while back, unfortunately I think their wiki went down
22:29 🔗 DFJustin http://web.archive.org/web/20100818201757/http://wiki.elevprod.com/wiki/Main_Page
22:30 🔗 DFJustin there's also the more low-tech stair otaku http://blog.goo.ne.jp/tokyostair
22:31 🔗 underscor chronomex: two of my close friends are elevator enthusiasts
22:31 🔗 underscor it's kinda... different
22:31 🔗 underscor but cool
22:31 🔗 underscor http://www.youtube.com/user/musicfreakcc
22:31 🔗 underscor http://www.youtube.com/user/dieselducy
22:31 🔗 underscor they're a little strange
22:31 🔗 underscor but who isn't

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