#archiveteam-bs 2012-11-19,Mon

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05:42 🔗 chronomex hey look, it's a photo of SketchCow giving a girl a tattoo: http://www.azcentral.com/business/news/articles/2010/07/13/20100713tattoo-industry-trends.html
05:50 🔗 underscor SketchCow's evil twin
05:50 🔗 underscor with gauges
06:27 🔗 SketchCow Tattoos. SO NOT MY THING.
06:45 🔗 BlueMaxim SketchCow has a floppy disk tattooed on his right buttcheck
06:45 🔗 BlueMaxim ...buttcheek
08:48 🔗 * SmileyG_ ponders sarcasm
08:48 🔗 SmileyG_ Tattoo, permenant record of... something.... not his thing?
08:49 🔗 chronomex http://www.postimees.ee/ !!
08:49 🔗 chronomex I made the front page
08:49 🔗 chronomex of a newspaper I've never heard of
08:49 🔗 SmileyG_ I broke a tb! \o/
08:50 🔗 SmileyG_ too much javascript, can't see "front page" of paper
08:50 🔗 chronomex heh, no worries
08:51 🔗 chronomex it's an estonian-language article about http://numbertron.com and how I am infringing on all estonians' rights to not have a phone number or something
08:52 🔗 SmileyG_ lol
08:53 🔗 chronomex meanwhile I'm doing some long-overdue rework to make the site about 100x faster
08:54 🔗 chronomex because it's kind of crumbling under the unexpected 200x load
08:56 🔗 SmileyG D:
08:56 🔗 SmileyG i'm currently attempting to plan the migration of the chairmans email account to our new server
08:56 🔗 SmileyG except after my boss going "don't worry, it'll be small as hes on pop3" I find its at least 8Gb :/
08:57 🔗 chronomex o_O
08:59 🔗 soultcer chronomex: You do realize that just because something is not copyrighted in the US, it can still be under copyright in other countries?
09:00 🔗 chronomex I'm aware of this
09:01 🔗 chronomex it sounds like you have more to say, do tell
09:03 🔗 soultcer Nah, I just wanted to make sure you know. I recently noticed that not all pictures are migrated to Wikimedia Commons for that reason. In Germany company logos are not copyrightable, so they can be displayed on German wikipedia pages only
09:08 🔗 chronomex hmm interesting
09:08 🔗 chronomex my theory is that I can't be in trouble for laws that don't apply in any jurisdiction where I live
09:09 🔗 chronomex *sigh* I wish I had a little more warning, have a half hour downtime while upgrading my linode to handle the stupid logs
09:12 🔗 soultcer Estonian slashdot effect
09:12 🔗 chronomex v_v
09:12 🔗 chronomex heh
09:16 🔗 chronomex so glad I have a fresh hot spare at home on an ssd to do the clustering jobs I need to do in reworking the site
09:17 🔗 chronomex I suppose my spidey senses tingled yesterday
09:29 🔗 chronomex well that's nice, linode estimated the migrate would take 38 minutes but it was only 20
11:36 🔗 SmileyG Archivers!
11:36 🔗 SmileyG Does anyone have a script which grabs all the podcasts from a bbc page? I know it was spoken about before....
11:37 🔗 SmileyG Theres one I want in perticular... http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00snr0w/episodes/guide
14:38 🔗 godane i'm uploading g4 e3 live day 1 of 2009
14:39 🔗 godane the video bitrate is 1300+kbps
14:39 🔗 godane for about just over 1 hour of video
15:08 🔗 DFJustin http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdg63iqTL81qkmqyho1_400.gif
15:11 🔗 Patt lol
15:26 🔗 SketchCow Archive Team members
15:48 🔗 godane i'm doing a grab of slax.org forums
15:48 🔗 godane 82665 posts that i'm archiving
15:49 🔗 godane its going to be close to 400mb or just over 400mb when done
15:52 🔗 godane i had to use --no-cookies to stop getting 400 bad request errors
15:52 🔗 SketchCow Thank you.
16:00 🔗 godane i have to back it up cause in a few weeks the site may change
16:01 🔗 godane also there will be a wget.log file
17:09 🔗 joepie91 http://falkvinge.net/2012/11/15/we-should-be-spending-billions-fighting-bathtubs-not-terrorism/
17:49 🔗 SketchCow Fun fact
17:49 🔗 SketchCow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HsIBqZGFIQ is the single most expensive animation, cost per second
17:57 🔗 mistym Makes me wonder how much total money ended up going into The Thief and the Cobbler by the end of production.
18:00 🔗 SketchCow Not as much as you'd think.
18:00 🔗 SketchCow $28 million for the entire thing above board, probably $4-5million under the rug.
18:01 🔗 SketchCow Compare with Roger Rabbit being $70 million (1988 dollars!)
18:02 🔗 SketchCow I know wayyyyyyyy too much about this subject.
18:02 🔗 SketchCow I paid into a kickstarter for a documentary on Thief and Cobbler.
18:02 🔗 SketchCow It's called "Persistence of Vision" and it's out in film festivals.
18:02 🔗 SketchCow I got to see the rough cut at the director's college, where I happen to live near. It was great.
18:03 🔗 SketchCow The critical part, the specific sequence worth noting, is that it's a pet project for williams from 1971 to 1989.
18:03 🔗 SketchCow In 1988, Roger Rabbit's amazing flaming success means Hollywood Money is interested in him.
18:03 🔗 SketchCow So he gets, like $25 million.
18:03 🔗 SketchCow He blows it. Biiiiiiiiig time.
18:03 🔗 SketchCow BIG TIME
18:03 🔗 SketchCow And it got taken from him.
18:04 🔗 SketchCow I.e. he HAD the funding, he HAD the backing, he HAD creative control, he totally choked
18:07 🔗 mistym I'd be really interested in seeing that documentary and their take on it. I've only read about it.
18:08 🔗 SketchCow http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/doc-nyc-review-persistence-of-vision-is-a-heartbreaking-account-of-a-thwarted-animated-masterpiece-20121109
18:08 🔗 mistym Thanks!
18:08 🔗 mistym I'd also heard that there was an alternate rescue proposal, which wasn't taken up, which would have brought in Terry Gilliam to assist on finishing.
18:09 🔗 SketchCow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y7vNxGpa7E&feature=related Is what you should watch.
18:10 🔗 SketchCow This is someone spending YEARS, rebuilding the original.
18:10 🔗 mistym I can't remember which version I saw.
18:10 🔗 mistym I think it was mkII or mkIII.
18:10 🔗 SketchCow Yeah, this is III
18:11 🔗 mistym I watched it just before the guy tracked down a 35mm workprint with some scenes he only had from the old umatic bootleg, so I rewatched one or two of those scenes. So maybe I saw mkII?
18:12 🔗 SketchCow Yeah, he would combine with Workprint
18:12 🔗 balrog are there any umatic players out there at all?
18:12 🔗 SketchCow Damn, I should eat something today, huh.
18:13 🔗 SketchCow Yes, there are.
18:13 🔗 SketchCow There aren't a ton, but there are some.
18:13 🔗 godane uploaded: http://archive.org/details/G4.E3.09.Live.Day.1.DSR.XviD-SYS
18:13 🔗 balrog I mean, I've never seen one "in the wild" myself
18:13 🔗 SketchCow You mostly have to rent them, that's how I got my umatics clicked over
18:13 🔗 mistym Food is usually a good thing
18:13 🔗 balrog seems they show up on ebay
18:14 🔗 SketchCow http://album.cow.net/index.cgi?d=1992.BLESSED was all on Umatic tape
18:14 🔗 mistym This is reminding me that I still need to transfer those LDs I've been meaning to...
18:14 🔗 SketchCow It's my unreleased first student film
18:14 🔗 mistym And also figure out where my desync problem is coming from.
18:16 🔗 balrog are museums/archives legally allowed to charge "use fees" above and beyond copyright-related license fees for reuse of materials?
18:16 🔗 balrog lately in my digging I've seen some of this
18:16 🔗 SketchCow OK, so.
18:16 🔗 godane jason wearing glasses: http://album.cow.net/1992.BLESSED/.lowres/cafescene3.jpg
18:17 🔗 SketchCow The answer is yes
18:17 🔗 SketchCow The question is "does this make you look like an asshole": yes
18:17 🔗 mistym The other question is "are there a lot of assholes in museums/archives" and the answer is "so totally yes"
18:17 🔗 balrog the PA state archives have quite heavy "use fees"...
18:18 🔗 * mistym facepalms *so hard* every time the question of "should we let artists/historians/whoever do stuff with our public domain material" comes up on archives mailing lists
18:18 🔗 balrog it seems a lot of museums/archives do that
18:18 🔗 godane i have allmost 47000 posts from slitaz.org
18:18 🔗 mistym OK, so see, there are two situations here:
18:18 🔗 godane :-D
18:18 🔗 mistym a) Many museums/archives are perpetually underfunded. So they try to get extra income wherever they can to keep the doors open, to pay people to catalogue materials, etc.
18:19 🔗 mistym And b) Many museums/archives are very protective of their materials. For a lot of people that goes beyond "is the stuff preserved" into "MAKE SURE NO ONE INTERPRETS IT WRONG"
18:19 🔗 balrog b) is the bigger problem :/
18:20 🔗 mistym Which is kind of ironic because archives at least make a claim that we aren't interpreting stuff for people. But many archives still want to make sure that no one "uses it wrong"
18:20 🔗 balrog what do they consider "using it wrong"?
18:21 🔗 mistym Maybe they misattributed it, or didn't say where they got it from. Maybe they interpreted it outside its historical context. Or what the archivist thinks its historical context should be.
18:21 🔗 balrog I know museums/archives want attribution, but it should by no means be required
18:21 🔗 mistym (That many archives also wonder how we can get people to be interested in our stuff, while actively turning away people who want to do things with our stuff, is a disconnect many archivists don't seem to be getting.)
18:22 🔗 balrog *sigh* yeah
18:22 🔗 balrog they make accessibility onerous, and no one shows up or gives them anything
18:25 🔗 godane pirate movies on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/pirates118?feature=watch
18:25 🔗 godane a channel just for them
18:25 🔗 godane also full who frame'd roger rabbit
18:26 🔗 mistym balrog: Yeah... I dunno. I love working in archives and I hope archives can be fixed but sometimes I kind of wonder a little
18:53 🔗 ersi I wouldn't mind donating a few bucks, as a way of saying thanks, afterwards.
18:53 🔗 ersi I do not like to pay up to get access, though. That usually makes me uninterested
19:48 🔗 godane shit on toast
19:49 🔗 godane looks like readwrite.com was not archived at all
19:53 🔗 godane looks like it blocked heritrix: http://readwrite.com/robots.txt
19:54 🔗 godane it didn't blocked ia_archiver bot
19:56 🔗 balrog I wonder if it would be at all possible to archive the files on vetusware.com
19:56 🔗 balrog the problem is their download limitations
20:37 🔗 mistym godane: Did they actually remove old content, or just switched around the interface?
20:54 🔗 godane don't know
20:54 🔗 godane will be archiving it later
21:47 🔗 SketchCow http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/305515_305864609528845_1283645395_n.png
21:51 🔗 ersi MATH!
21:51 🔗 ersi ARGH, MY ONLY WEAKNESS!
21:51 🔗 * ersi melts
21:59 🔗 chronomex haha
22:06 🔗 godane day 3 of live coverage of g4 e3 is uploaded now: http://archive.org/details/G4.E3.09.Live.Day.3.DSR.XviD-SYS
22:07 🔗 godane people are going to love me for get this
22:07 🔗 chronomex your place in archivist heaven is assured
22:09 🔗 godane chronomex: i also have 18 months of x-play too
22:09 🔗 godane i just hope it doesn't go dark
22:10 🔗 godane i only planning on uploading stuff that over 1 year old with g4 videos
22:11 🔗 godane this makes it less likely needing to be darked
22:37 🔗 SketchCow http://archive.org/details/Andrew_Loomis_Creative.Illustration pretty
22:37 🔗 SketchCow http://archive.org/stream/Andrew_Loomis_Successful_Drawing as well
22:48 🔗 DFJustin didn't I already upload those
22:48 🔗 DFJustin https://archive.org/details/andrew-loomis-creative-illustration http://www.archive.org/details/andrew-loomis-successful-drawing
22:53 🔗 DFJustin also http://www.archive.org/details/andrew-loomis-drawing-the-head-hands http://www.archive.org/details/andrew-loomis-eye-of-the-painter http://www.archive.org/details/loomis_FIGURE_draw http://www.archive.org/details/andrew-loomis-fun-with-a-pencil
22:53 🔗 SketchCow You likely did.
22:54 🔗 SketchCow I was dumping them off my backlog.
22:54 🔗 SketchCow Likely one will lose.
22:54 🔗 SketchCow :)
22:54 🔗 DFJustin the fun with a pencil one is a shitty version though
22:54 🔗 chronomex like all those duplicate videos on youtube
22:54 🔗 chronomex they can just sit there, hurting nobody
22:54 🔗 SketchCow A more pressing thing was that I had to noindex all the stage6 videos
22:54 🔗 SketchCow So they're all THERE, but not really browsable
22:54 🔗 DFJustin at least with IA you don't get the fifth-generation VHS effect that youtube duplicates have
22:55 🔗 chronomex true
22:55 🔗 SketchCow I'd like to dump out the item names for all the videos, and set up a browse-and-vote system for us to go through them and decide which are set to public-a-ble
22:56 🔗 SketchCow Relatively pressing, I guess I should say.
22:57 🔗 chronomex I'm not familiar with the context, why is this necessary?
22:58 🔗 DFJustin leaving it as-is meant the top 5 web items on IA are rihanna music videos and other assorted copyright infringement which gives some people aneurysms
22:59 🔗 SketchCow pretty much.
22:59 🔗 SketchCow it got my bosses' attention, which is notable.
23:00 🔗 DFJustin but where will we get our "space mutany" https://archive.org/details/stage6-2054541
23:04 🔗 chronomex ah
23:05 🔗 chronomex mutany!
23:05 🔗 DFJustin on the plus side the new #1 web item is 30gb of anime porn so there's that
23:27 🔗 godane uploaded: http://archive.org/details/G4.E3.09.Live.Microsoft.Spotlight.READNFO.DSR.XviD-SYS
23:30 🔗 godane i'm uploading the live nintendo and sony spotlight of g4 e3 coverage
23:51 🔗 dashcloud this one definitely belongs in -bs: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/11/how-goatse-cx-went-from-shock-site-to-webmail-service/

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