#archiveteam-bs 2012-11-29,Thu

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00:01 πŸ”— dashcloud you should have them try it
00:02 πŸ”— dashcloud here's a great series from the Consumerist: http://consumerist.com/tag/raiders-of-the-lost-walmart/ featuring items many years beyond their prime still on shelves
00:04 πŸ”— chronomex hahaha
00:04 πŸ”— chronomex nice
00:04 πŸ”— chronomex I brought the drive to the employee working the register in that department and asked him to price check the item as I thought I might be hallucinating. He assured me that I wasnҀ™t and explained that the reason they are priced so high is because the manufacturer will not let them lower the price (which surprised me given the fact that itҀ™s Wal-Mart).
00:05 πŸ”— chronomex Since they couldnҀ™t mark them down, they were perfectly content to let them sit there until the end of time.
02:44 πŸ”— DFJustin I got a box of 5 1/4" floppies from radio shack for free once because they weren't even in the system anymore
04:41 πŸ”— godane thanks to theblaze commenter: http://www.urinal.net/
04:41 πŸ”— godane i'm mirroring it
04:58 πŸ”— godane looks like some episodes of computer chronicles are missing audio
05:00 πŸ”— godane http://archive.org/details/Wireless_2
05:00 πŸ”— godane http://archive.org/details/OnlineTi96
05:01 πŸ”— godane http://archive.org/details/Internet_2
05:02 πŸ”— godane http://archive.org/details/OnLineSh
05:07 πŸ”— godane http://archive.org/details/E3Specia
10:18 πŸ”— joepie91 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzryBRPwsog&hd=1
10:21 πŸ”— norbert79 I guess the same link like on Vox
11:28 πŸ”— joepie91 ya
12:48 πŸ”— joepie91 http://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/6283/raided-for-running-a-tor-exit-accepting-donations-for-legal-expenses
12:48 πŸ”— joepie91 guy in austria raided for running a TOR exit
12:48 πŸ”— joepie91 and charged with "CP"
12:48 πŸ”— joepie91 cc SketchCow
12:49 πŸ”— ersi care
12:49 πŸ”— joepie91 well, yes
12:50 πŸ”— joepie91 considering he's facing 6 years in jail for that, if convicted
12:50 πŸ”— norbert79 So let me get this straight
12:50 πŸ”— norbert79 He runs a service of any kind, legal in Austria
12:50 πŸ”— norbert79 and for his expense covergae he offers the possibility for donations
12:50 πŸ”— norbert79 and he gets arrested?
12:51 πŸ”— norbert79 Tell me it's fake
12:51 πŸ”— norbert79 please
12:51 πŸ”— norbert79 So aaah, I see now, someone abused his node exit, which could happen to anyone
12:52 πŸ”— norbert79 wtf?
12:52 πŸ”— norbert79 looks like Austrian law enforcement aren't on their latest level on IT
12:52 πŸ”— norbert79 either
12:54 πŸ”— norbert79 let me send anything to the Austrian Police with some illegal materials from a reusable e-mail address and then charge them with owning illegal materials
12:55 πŸ”— ersi Police is pretty much immune to those kinds of plans
12:57 πŸ”— norbert79 I wouldn't have assumed otherwise
13:12 πŸ”— SmileyG norbert79: ok, you run a shipping yard
13:12 πŸ”— SmileyG someone brings in illegal cargo, you get charged.
13:12 πŸ”— SmileyG seems simple enough
13:12 πŸ”— SmileyG and recieving isn't the same as throughput
13:12 πŸ”— norbert79 Simple? Yes. Wrong? Of course
13:12 πŸ”— norbert79 aye
13:12 πŸ”— norbert79 But don't explain that to me
13:12 πŸ”— norbert79 explain this to the Austrian police
13:12 πŸ”— SmileyG norbert79: you open a exit node, you know traffic might be naughty but you let it out anyway.
13:13 πŸ”— norbert79 Ok, you share a file, should the ISP being punished for that?
13:13 πŸ”— norbert79 they let it through, right?
13:13 πŸ”— norbert79 Same problem
13:13 πŸ”— SmileyG hmmm in the UK ISP's block CP.
13:13 πŸ”— SmileyG :)
13:13 πŸ”— norbert79 CP?
13:13 πŸ”— SmileyG child porn
13:14 πŸ”— norbert79 oh
13:14 πŸ”— norbert79 I know way too much abbreviations to know what you might think of :)
13:14 πŸ”— SmileyG which is appently what the guy got arrested for
13:14 πŸ”— norbert79 No, he got arrested because anyone who was using his exit node was sharing possible cp
13:15 πŸ”— SmileyG by running a exit node you are actively handling that traffic
13:15 πŸ”— norbert79 but it's the same problem like with music share and ISP
13:15 πŸ”— norbert79 same goes for the ISP
13:15 πŸ”— norbert79 You can't punish the ISP so they punish the lower man
13:15 πŸ”— norbert79 big scandal, they fine him, case closed
13:15 πŸ”— SmileyG you'd prefer a world with no ISP's?
13:16 πŸ”— SmileyG car annology
13:16 πŸ”— norbert79 I would prefer a world where the police would decide based on truth and would use their f*** brains
13:16 πŸ”— SmileyG sue the garage for the drunk driver.
13:16 πŸ”— SmileyG norbert79: did he setup the exit node in the knowledge it could be abused for narfarious means?
13:16 πŸ”— SmileyG Yes? Then he's guilty. :/
13:16 πŸ”— norbert79 Again, did the ISP know that his customer might share anything illegal?
13:16 πŸ”— SmileyG Guilty of what? I'm not sure.
13:16 πŸ”— norbert79 So is the ISP too then
13:16 πŸ”— norbert79 and the network card manufactuiring company
13:17 πŸ”— norbert79 and the PC designer
13:17 πŸ”— SmileyG :)
13:17 πŸ”— norbert79 they help active CP!!
13:17 πŸ”— norbert79 :)
13:17 πŸ”— norbert79 Sue everyone
13:17 πŸ”— SmileyG Now you see part of the problem
13:17 πŸ”— norbert79 I already did
13:17 πŸ”— norbert79 I am sometimes sarcastic
13:17 πŸ”— norbert79 My favourite problem is with the Germans for example putting a fine on EMPTY harddrives
13:17 πŸ”— SmileyG norbert79: I'm pretty sure when he signed up with the ISP he agreed not to do anything which might jepoidse their network
13:17 πŸ”— norbert79 as they might be used for sharing illegal content
13:18 πŸ”— norbert79 wtf
13:18 πŸ”— SmileyG germany?
13:18 πŸ”— SmileyG you sure?
13:18 πŸ”— norbert79 Yes
13:18 πŸ”— SmileyG amusing
13:18 πŸ”— norbert79 Call it tax
13:18 πŸ”— norbert79 now they already have that for pre-manufactured PCs too
13:19 πŸ”— norbert79 and tending extending this to anything
13:19 πŸ”— norbert79 which has any possibility dsaving data
13:19 πŸ”— norbert79 including copying machines
13:19 πŸ”— SmileyG norbert79: does it come with a licence to freely share stuff?
13:19 πŸ”— norbert79 "They might copy boooks.... whoooo"
13:19 πŸ”— norbert79 No idea
13:19 πŸ”— norbert79 Probably not
13:19 πŸ”— SmileyG not like sweden or whatever it is then :(
13:20 πŸ”— norbert79 No, it's all about putting tax and still get you charged
13:20 πŸ”— norbert79 despite it's called: Copyright tax, or similar
13:21 πŸ”— norbert79 http://info.hktdc.com/alert/eu0104a.htm
13:22 πŸ”— SmileyG yah, broken isn't it
13:22 πŸ”— SmileyG have cake and eat it
14:28 πŸ”— schbiridi norbert79:in germany there is a right to copy between friends
14:28 πŸ”— schbiridi the fee (not fine) on storage media is meant to compensate for that
14:28 πŸ”— schbiridi it is ancient and promoting the content "industry" but it is not as insane as you try to protray it
14:28 πŸ”— norbert79 Still, I have seen issues where media has been confiscated because of "illegal materials"
14:29 πŸ”— schbiridi in what context?
14:29 πŸ”— norbert79 can't tell details, but have heard about cases
14:29 πŸ”— norbert79 from German friends
14:29 πŸ”— SmileyG off a man on the internet?
14:29 πŸ”— schbiridi well, files can be illegal
14:29 πŸ”— SmileyG heh german friends, I have a few german friends, lol
14:29 πŸ”— SmileyG they like to tell me germany is great and nothing is ever wrong there.
14:30 πŸ”— norbert79 And I have different friends, who tell the opposite
14:30 πŸ”— norbert79 :)
14:30 πŸ”— SmileyG :D
22:26 πŸ”— Coderjoe so apparently, a worker at a local school discovered an IBM PS/2 that was lost inside a wall. It was in a small alcove-like room, which for some reason had been covered up with a mounted-to-wall bulletin board. This somehow went undiscovered through at least one remodel/rennovation phase.
22:27 πŸ”— Coderjoe http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/11/ancient_digital_discovery_unco.html
22:34 πŸ”— chronomex hahaha, I thought that was just an urban legend
22:41 πŸ”— Coderjoe i don't think it was powered up or anything, so I don't know why it would have just been boarded up in there
22:42 πŸ”— Coderjoe I suppose it might have been disconnected in preparation for moving it out, but someone decided "I'll move it in the morning" and just didn't make it in before the contractors that were tasked with putting the board up
23:25 πŸ”— joepie91 interview with raided TOR exit node operator: http://raided4tor.cryto.net/
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