#archiveteam-bs 2013-01-09,Wed

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01:12 ^🔗	dashcloud	so, Monoprice is bringing IPS displays to the masses: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10909&cs_id=1090901&p_id=9579&seq=1&format=2
01:15 ^🔗	chronomex	same monitor on ebay from a thousand koreans for $50 less
01:16 ^🔗	dashcloud	hmm- buy from Ebay, or buy from reputable vendor with warranty?
01:16 ^🔗	chronomex	monoprice offers a warranty?
01:16 ^🔗	chronomex	you can chargeback with ebay too
01:16 ^🔗	dashcloud	As you've come to expect from Monoprice, we stand behind our products and offer a full 1 year warranty, which is at least 3-4 times what is offered by other monitor manufacturers. Additionally, we are so confident of the quality of these displays that we are guaranteeing these monitor will have less than 5 dead pixels. If you can count 5 dead pixels anywhere on the screen, we'll give you a new one. By comparison,
01:16 ^🔗	dashcloud	the industry standard, even for industry leaders like Apple and LG, is 10 dead pixels or even more.
01:16 ^🔗	chronomex	not bad
01:16 ^🔗	chronomex	one I bought had 0 dead/stuck pixels :P
02:13 ^🔗	godane	uploaded: https://archive.org/details/bitgamer-archive
02:47 ^🔗	SketchCow	Moved to archiveteam
05:13 ^🔗	GLaDOS	starting botfeed for archivist
05:30 ^🔗	GLaDOS	First test works, time to run the automated ingestor.
05:31 ^🔗	chronomex	om nom nom
05:35 ^🔗	GLaDOS	103 books, just for one MegaHAL
05:39 ^🔗	GLaDOS	13:39:34 up 122 days, 3:45, 1 user, load average: 1.29, 1.10, 0.78
05:46 ^🔗	godane	i think we need something in wget so you can download only images form other hosts
05:47 ^🔗	godane	sort of --accept-regex-host or something
05:48 ^🔗	godane	this way when you mirror sites that has lot of external images you can do a -H --accept-regex-host='(jpg\|jpeg\|gif\|png)' or something
05:48 ^🔗	godane	i use underground gamer for example
05:49 ^🔗	godane	it has tons of images hosted on it but also a ton hosted other websites
16:45 ^🔗	balrog-	interesting observation/argument coming up ... it seems most of the big "disk preservation" groups aren't interested in a large portion of what's out there
16:46 ^🔗	balrog-	SPS only wants games; redump and the like mainly focus on games; pretty much no one cares about cracked/"pirated" materials (stuff from the 80s and 90s and such, not current, but current should not be ignored either imho)Â â they only want original
16:47 ^🔗	SketchCow	Where is it coming up?
16:48 ^🔗	balrog-	in #messdev and the private mame list
16:48 ^🔗	joepie91	balrog-: I'd argue that period of time is especially interesting with regards to cracked versions
16:48 ^🔗	joepie91	because of all the demos and such from the various groups
16:48 ^🔗	joepie91	cracktros
16:48 ^🔗	joepie91	etc
16:49 ^🔗	balrog-	yes, absolutely.
16:49 ^🔗	joepie91	I mean, the only ones I can recall now that still do cracktros
16:49 ^🔗	joepie91	are hoodlum and fff
16:49 ^🔗	joepie91	and even those, sparingly
16:49 ^🔗	joepie91	idk if hoodlum even still exists
16:49 ^🔗	SketchCow	Spoiler: I've come to not like SPS all that much.
16:49 ^🔗	SketchCow	I respect the technical effort and the commitment to data acquisition.
16:50 ^🔗	Coderjoe	yeah.. screw the millions of floppies with people's private data they might be interested in getting back. absolutely no importance there
16:50 ^🔗	balrog-	they flat out state they only want games. They won't even accept OS releases, and such
16:50 ^🔗	godane	SketchCow: i got a broadcast copy of the screen savers from 2003.07.14
16:50 ^🔗	Coderjoe	(in case it is missed: </sarcasm> )
16:50 ^🔗	godane	very good copy
16:51 ^🔗	balrog-	there are other issues, but I don't want to get into those
16:54 ^🔗	balrog-	regarding SPS)
16:54 ^🔗	balrog-	issues with MAME/MESS dumping and such ... I wouldn't mind discussing this more but I know SketchCow is extremely busy.
16:56 ^🔗	Schbirid	thank god for u-g
16:57 ^🔗	balrog-	UG is a help, but the problem here is deeper :(
16:57 ^🔗	SketchCow	I'm happy to discuss it, but yeah, I'm busy in a general sense.
16:57 ^🔗	balrog-	we have efforts like the dumping union (another private group), but they only care about arcades
16:57 ^🔗	SketchCow	but it's a discussion worth having, so go ahead. I'm getting a lot done in other windows
16:57 ^🔗	balrog-	which means people like myself end up shelling hundreds of dollars on various equipment to dump and reverse-engineer
16:58 ^🔗	balrog-	shelling out*
16:59 ^🔗	balrog-	I just brought up like 4 different issues
16:59 ^🔗	balrog-	:
16:59 ^🔗	balrog-	:/ *
16:59 ^🔗	Schbirid	SketchCow: fileplanetfileplanetfileplanetfileplanetfileplanet ;P
17:00 ^🔗	Schbirid	i admire byuu's work for preserving
17:00 ^🔗	balrog-	this feels like a game of whack-a-mole, or the mythical hydra âÂ fix one problem, three others appear.
17:00 ^🔗	balrog-	there's no way one or three people will be able to solve this
17:01 ^🔗	SketchCow	Schbirid: Sorry about that - the slowdown is that I need to set aside a chunk of time to make sure the whole thing goes smoothly, because one mistake kills terabytes
17:02 ^🔗	Schbirid	np, if i nag too much, just say
17:03 ^🔗	balrog-	yeah I feel the same
17:04 ^🔗	balrog-	the more annoying thing that I see is the costs of some of this stuff, which we end up paying anyway to preserve it
17:04 ^🔗	Schbirid	now, imagine a world with a quickly expiring copyright. things would be so much easier
17:04 ^🔗	balrog-	and museums? I doubt most museums would be willing to do something like this: http://kevtris.org/Projects/votraxml1/
17:05 ^🔗	balrog-	(take a look at one of the <color> Board pages)
17:05 ^🔗	Schbirid	i am sure they would love to, but funding... :(
17:05 ^🔗	SketchCow	For what it's worth, "there's no way one or three people will be able to solve this" fails to take into account that one of those people might be me.
17:05 ^🔗	balrog-	SketchCow: yes, yes this is true. I mean people like myself, not like you :)
17:05 ^🔗	balrog-	Schbirid: no, most museums would not apply heat to an artifact to remove epoxy potting in order to document how it works and repair it.
17:06 ^🔗	Schbirid	SketchCow: keep your nerves in mind, you cannot save everything
17:06 ^🔗	Schbirid	balrog-: aye, i spoke too soon
17:06 ^🔗	balrog-	Schbirid: remember, SketchCow is good at finding other people who are able to help more ;)
17:06 ^🔗	Schbirid	heh
17:06 ^🔗	balrog-	and yeah âÂ good luck finding a votrax ml-1. not very many were made to begin with
17:07 ^🔗	SketchCow	http://archive.org/details/dragon_magazine
17:07 ^🔗	SketchCow	Let's see who screams
17:08 ^🔗	balrog-	I think it would go a long way if something like dumping union could be organized for non-arcade hardware. Things get more tricky, because while many arcade board types are well understood, many computers need poking and probing
17:09 ^🔗	DFJustin	I've said it before but my main beef with sps is lack of transparency
17:09 ^🔗	balrog-	lately I've been doing research/reverse-engineering of early digital synth hardware, and figuring out secret modes and "tricks" to dump various early protected chips.
17:09 ^🔗	balrog-	DFJustin: I'm not even talking about SPS in particular here.
17:09 ^🔗	balrog-	I don't like SPS, but that's besides the point.
17:10 ^🔗	balrog-	if all we do is talk about how we don't like SPS, we are missing the bigger picture
17:11 ^🔗	SketchCow	http://archive.org/details/magazine_rack - watch that space
17:11 ^🔗	SketchCow	it's about to get fucking huge
17:12 ^🔗	balrog-	:)
17:13 ^🔗	SketchCow	http://www.crackajack.de/2013/01/09/vintage-man-machine-interface/
17:15 ^🔗	balrog-	stuff like that .... obtaining one, figuring out how it works, and writing decent emulation is not all that easy
17:18 ^🔗	balrog-	I suppose everyone here knows that though
17:20 ^🔗	SketchCow	Last year, the first year I was working for Internet Archive, I was focused on several things. Among them was easier scripting to ingest massive amounts of data into the archive. For that I was rather successful - even outside of archive team specific chicanery, I pulled in something like 100 terabytes of data.
17:20 ^🔗	balrog-	that's impressive... and quit important.
17:20 ^🔗	balrog-	quite*
17:20 ^🔗	SketchCow	And I found that it's getting very easy, not 100%, but much easier to absorb most of the folksonomic scans and digitizations people have done over the last decade or so.
17:21 ^🔗	SketchCow	So that is ongoing. In this week's work, the integration of bitsavers will bring 25,000 computer documents into the world in an easy to browse fashion.
17:21 ^🔗	balrog-	bitsavers? nice. Be warned only the newer stuff there is OCRed... and as you probably know already, new stuff keeps getting added.
17:21 ^🔗	balrog-	there's also bitsavers/bits
17:21 ^🔗	SketchCow	Tell me more
17:21 ^🔗	SketchCow	Also, they often feature computers
17:22 ^🔗	SketchCow	The functionality of what I've created is AUTOMATIC ingestion.
17:22 ^🔗	SketchCow	It'll just run with each new addition of material.
17:22 ^🔗	balrog-	oh, cute: they have the code for XINU, explained in "Comer, Douglas E., Operating System Design: The Xinu Approach, Prentice-Hall" âÂ I have that book
17:22 ^🔗	SketchCow	It's a similar approach to http://archive.org/details/dnalounge
17:23 ^🔗	SketchCow	That has no human intervention.
17:23 ^🔗	DFJustin	IA OCRs and adds a text layer to anything that doesn't already have it
17:23 ^🔗	balrog-	and with good enough accuracy, right?
17:23 ^🔗	balrog-	fulltext OCR search is quite nice to have, in addition to the metadata
17:23 ^🔗	SketchCow	OCR at archive is shit.
17:23 ^🔗	SketchCow	See, you can't do this, balro.
17:23 ^🔗	SketchCow	This is how projects fail.
17:23 ^🔗	balrog-	I've found some pretty useful stuff because Google OCRs PDFs as they index them.
17:24 ^🔗	balrog-	yes, the OCR is not great, but in many cases it's good enough
17:24 ^🔗	SketchCow	You get the foundations in the most non-intrusive decision making possible, and THEN you go "what about the curtains? do we have peonies or sunflowers in the front yard?"
17:24 ^🔗	SketchCow	If you oscillate between "oh god, floppies are dying and SPS doesn't care" and "but what about the OCR accuracy", that's how you don't get stuff done.
17:25 ^🔗	SketchCow	You get paralyzed.
17:25 ^🔗	SketchCow	Move in waves.
17:25 ^🔗	balrog-	I'm not asking about OCR accuracy. I'm asking about OCR indexing
17:25 ^🔗	SketchCow	You're asking about something above "get it all online"
17:25 ^🔗	balrog-	even google's crappy OCR is useful because it goes in an index that can be fulltext searched.
17:25 ^🔗	SketchCow	Which is the first problem.
17:26 ^🔗	DFJustin	this may be a good time to mention I just got ham radio magazine 1985-1986 from emule, do we have that already
17:26 ^🔗	SketchCow	yes, it was made dark.
17:27 ^🔗	joepie91	balrog-: I think what SketchCow is trying to explain, is that if you start trying to create additional functionality at this point, you are leaving the problem before it partially unsolved (getting everything available in the first place)
17:27 ^🔗	balrog-	yes, that is true
17:27 ^🔗	joepie91	and losing focus and manpower to solve that problem
17:27 ^🔗	SketchCow	Right now, in my house, I have negotiated and I have, a $25,000 Scribe digitizer from Internet Archive.
17:27 ^🔗	SketchCow	It's in the other room, I've been setting it up.
17:28 ^🔗	SketchCow	My official name in their system is Internet Archive Poughkeepsie
17:28 ^🔗	SketchCow	You realize what this means.
17:28 ^🔗	SketchCow	Pro-level digitization is now not subject to justification for computer documents.
17:28 ^🔗	SketchCow	there's a place where volunteers can scan manuals and other items.
17:28 ^🔗	SketchCow	It's right here.
17:29 ^🔗	balrog-	but you have to be very careful when getting everything, to not miss important things. this is more of an issue with hardware than software. Plenty of arcade boards and other boards had ROMs mis-dumped or certain ones not dumped at all in the past, and with rare prototypes, collectors are rarely willing to allow anyone to touch them once they have them.
17:29 ^🔗	balrog-	so if I have time, I can drag my paper documents there and scan them?
17:29 ^🔗	SketchCow	Yes.
17:29 ^🔗	balrog-	manuals, schematics, etc
17:29 ^🔗	balrog-	the Scribe is designed for bound books, correct?
17:30 ^🔗	SketchCow	Books that open with a side bound, yes
17:30 ^🔗	balrog-	but for stuff that can easily be unbound or that I'm willing to unbind, I'm better off doing so and sheetfeeding...?
17:31 ^🔗	balrog-	another question I've had for a while, and this is not specifically for SketchCow: has anyone done work on postprocessing color scans?
17:32 ^🔗	joepie91	balrog-: postprocessing in what sense?
17:33 ^🔗	joepie91	I've been scanning a few comics and running them through scan tailor, which went fine
17:33 ^🔗	joepie91	needed some manual adjustments, but otherwise it was great
17:33 ^🔗	balrog-	taking the multi-gb scans and compressing them down into something that doesn't take so much space yet has sufficient quality
17:33 ^🔗	DFJustin	btw the folkscanomy collection should be linked off http://archive.org/details/additional_collections so people can find it
17:33 ^🔗	joepie91	hmmm
17:33 ^🔗	balrog-	bilevel you can use G4 Fax compression which is great
17:33 ^🔗	joepie91	what format re the scans in?
17:33 ^🔗	joepie91	are *
17:33 ^🔗	balrog-	usually uncompressed or lzw or zip tiff
17:33 ^🔗	joepie91	because I'd imagine this would be something for imagemagick or similar
17:33 ^🔗	balrog-	some form of tiff, basically
17:34 ^🔗	balrog-	yeah I have been using imagemagick but color is just a pain
17:34 ^🔗	mistym	For bilevel PDF I usually prefer jbig2; it's typically much much smaller, even lossless!
17:34 ^🔗	joepie91	how come..?
17:34 ^🔗	balrog-	does pdf support jbig2?
17:34 ^🔗	balrog-	huh it does.
17:34 ^🔗	mistym	Yeah, it has for a few versions back. Most readers now support it too.
17:35 ^🔗	joepie91	also, balrog-... for lossless color scans you're probably looking at something like PNG... for lossy, I'm not sure
17:35 ^🔗	joepie91	but lossless scans will be HUGE still, probably
17:35 ^🔗	balrog-	joepie91: tiff+zip and png are rather identical
17:35 ^🔗	joepie91	really?
17:35 ^🔗	balrog-	yes, because png uses deflate
17:35 ^🔗	joepie91	weird, I thought I saw different results
17:35 ^🔗	balrog-	tiff+zip isn't tiff that's zipped, it's tiff with deflate
17:36 ^🔗	mistym	For some reason reminds me, TIFF-LZW for 16 bit per channel scans has hilarious results.
17:36 ^🔗	balrog-	tiff-lzw is ... weird
17:36 ^🔗	balrog-	joepie91: what tool do you use to create jbig2 pdfs?
17:36 ^🔗	balrog-	is there a pdf2pdf that can recompress pdfs to jbig2?
17:36 ^🔗	joepie91	you sure you wanted to address me and not mistym? :P
17:36 ^🔗	joepie91	as I don't think I ever used jbig2
17:36 ^🔗	balrog-	err, mistym ^^
17:36 ^🔗	balrog-	:D
17:36 ^🔗	joepie91	heh
17:37 ^🔗	joepie91	also, this may come in handy
17:37 ^🔗	joepie91	tiff2pdf WILL fuck up your PDFs when JPG compression is used
17:37 ^🔗	joepie91	I have a fixing script for that
17:37 ^🔗	DFJustin	for colour just use a high quality jpg, yes the file size will be big but who cares, better than having to rescan everything later when everyone has PB hard drives because the quality was shit
17:37 ^🔗	joepie91	balrog-: http://git.cryto.net/cgit/scantools/tree/fix-pdf
17:38 ^🔗	balrog-	can you get tiff2pdf patched maybe?
17:38 ^🔗	DFJustin	or even better jp2
17:38 ^🔗	balrog-	(upstream)
17:38 ^🔗	joepie91	if you use tiff2pdf and it results in inverted JPGs in your PDF, then run that
17:38 ^🔗	balrog-	joepie91: I get inverted tiffs in my pdf with tiff2pdf
17:38 ^🔗	joepie91	it will comfortably handle multi-GB PDFs with very little memory, because it does chunked reads and writes
17:38 ^🔗	mistym	balrog-: You could probably script it pretty easily for PDFs containing a single image layer by extracting to a sequence of TIFFs, then throwing that into jbig2enc, then tossing the results back into a PDF.
17:38 ^🔗	joepie91	also I have no idea how to fix it upstream
17:38 ^🔗	joepie91	but it's a known bug
17:38 ^🔗	balrog-	been having to use tiffcrop -I to correct :(
17:39 ^🔗	balrog-	mistym: yeah, but what tool to reassemble?
17:39 ^🔗	joepie91	anyway, balrog-, run your PDFs to that script and they will magically be fixed
17:39 ^🔗	balrog-	joepie91: ok
17:39 ^🔗	joepie91	had to write it to fix up my comic scans
17:40 ^🔗	balrog-	oh so that replaces ColorTransform 0 with ColorTransform 1 in some places?
17:40 ^🔗	mistym	balrog-: jbig2enc includes a pdf.py script that turns the raw jbig2 into PDFs. If you do it on a page-by-page basis, it's then not too hard to combine the individual pages back into one PDF. Or (if you don't mind increasing the system requirements for reading) you can do the whole jbig2 compression using a single dictionary across multiple pages.
17:40 ^🔗	joepie91	balrog-: yes, but it does a chunked search and replace
17:40 ^🔗	joepie91	so it reads in small chunks
17:40 ^🔗	joepie91	so it doesn't have to load the entire PDF into RAM at once
17:40 ^🔗	balrog-	ah, yeah.
17:40 ^🔗	joepie91	and even handles edge cases
17:41 ^🔗	joepie91	where the search string is over the edge of two chunks
17:41 ^🔗	balrog-	ugh, all this needs to be on a wiki
17:41 ^🔗	joepie91	and even handles false positives immediately followed by a match :P
17:41 ^🔗	mistym	Yeah, I should write this down...
17:41 ^🔗	joepie91	so all edge cases should be covered
18:04 ^🔗	balrog-	wow, jbig2...
18:04 ^🔗	balrog-	mistym: slow to view though :p
18:05 ^🔗	mistym	balrog-: How slow it is depends on how big a dictionary you created :b One dictionary per page is pretty speedy. One dictionary per 100 pages (or more) is slow.
18:05 ^🔗	SketchCow	Just went past 10,000 documents on http://archive.org/search.php?query=collection%3Abitsavers&sort=-publicdate
18:06 ^🔗	SketchCow	Also, IT BEGINS
18:06 ^🔗	SketchCow	http://archive.org/search.php?query=collection%3Amagazine_rack&sort=-publicdate
18:07 ^🔗	balrog-	mistym: I used the method in the readme: $ jbig2 -s -p -v *.jpg && pdf.py output >out.pdf
18:07 ^🔗	balrog-	created many .NNNN files and one .sym file
18:08 ^🔗	mistym	That'd be one dictionary for the entire document, then. More efficient compression-wise, but the bigger the dictionary the slower decoding will be.
18:08 ^🔗	balrog-	yeah, and for a 386-page document...
18:08 ^🔗	balrog-	how do you do one dict per page or one per 25 pages?
18:08 ^🔗	SketchCow	http://archive.org/details/texwiller_magazine (622 issues)
18:09 ^🔗	balrog-	:/
18:09 ^🔗	balrog-	oh btw, you might want to make it clearer what it means when books only appear as encrypted DAISY. A friend of mine was confused by that.
18:10 ^🔗	SketchCow	What do you mean, what it means.
18:13 ^🔗	DFJustin	some kind of auto-generated blurb saying "This book has been scanned by IA but is still under copyright so it is not available to read unless you have perceptual disabilities and have registered with such-and-such US government program" would be nice
18:13 ^🔗	balrog-	yes, that.
18:14 ^🔗	balrog-	or I get messages from friends as follows: http://pastebin.com/zFk1xrWG
18:15 ^🔗	DFJustin	the musicbrainz cover art collection is also confusing people, understandable when you look at the page title that shows up on google https://archive.org/details/mbid-8a51ac29-77a4-4d25-9f75-8efcc25b0c33
18:16 ^🔗	balrog-	that's less of an issues, since it says "Cover Art Collection"
18:16 ^🔗	balrog-	I'm not looking to appeal to the lowest common denominator of people
18:16 ^🔗	DFJustin	yeah but it's basically spamming google with thousands of album titles + "free download & streaming"
18:16 ^🔗	balrog-	err, Cover Art Archive rather
18:17 ^🔗	DFJustin	but yeah should be obvious once you arrive
18:17 ^🔗	balrog-	the DAISY thing is not so obvious, and therein lies the issue
18:25 ^🔗	Coderjoe	people are stupid
18:26 ^🔗	balrog-	yes, but we don't want to cater to each and and every stupid person
18:26 ^🔗	SketchCow	Coderjoe: SPOILER ALERT
18:27 ^🔗	Coderjoe	balrog-: at what point did I say I wanted to?
18:27 ^🔗	balrog-	no, I'm just saying it's not worth it.
18:27 ^🔗	balrog-	mistym: answer? :)
18:28 ^🔗	balrog-	I'd like to know how to do this without making a pdf that crashes most viewers, even the most efficient
18:28 ^🔗	mistym	balrog-: Sorry, lost track of this.
18:28 ^🔗	balrog-	it's ok ;)
18:31 ^🔗	mistym	Anyway: rather than one invocation of jbig2, either do one per page, or slice your set of images into groups of however many.
18:31 ^🔗	mistym	jbig2enc will use one dictionary for all of the input files you give it.
18:31 ^🔗	balrog-	will pdf.py be able to assemble multiple sets?
18:32 ^🔗	balrog-	or do I have to then merge pdfs?
18:33 ^🔗	mistym	You'll need to merge them. I think pdfbeads may have a feature to do this for you; let me check.
18:34 ^🔗	balrog-	I don't like pdfbeads because it breaks things into lossy backgrounds anyway :/
18:34 ^🔗	balrog-	pdftk apparently can
18:34 ^🔗	balrog-	and pdfunite
18:36 ^🔗	mistym	Didn't realize pdfbeads always forced lossy backgrounds. That sucks.
18:36 ^🔗	mistym	It does provide a --pages-per-dict option though, which is what I meant.
18:36 ^🔗	balrog-	ahh.
18:37 ^🔗	balrog-	and yeah, lossy backgrounds does suck
18:37 ^🔗	mistym	It does that even if you only provide it one layer?
18:37 ^🔗	balrog-	maybe that's not mandatory but I don't want to split into backgrounds at all
18:38 ^🔗	mistym	What files are you feeding into it?
18:38 ^🔗	balrog-	into what, pdfbeads?
18:38 ^🔗	balrog-	it's been a few months since I've used it
18:39 ^🔗	mistym	Yeah, I was just wondering about your input files. I haven't peeked at the code, but the help text implies that it doesn't always attempt to split into multiple layers. If the input file is already binarized, maybe it produces only a single layer?
18:39 ^🔗	balrog-	they're single-layer tiffs
18:48 ^🔗	mistym	Anyway, I guess joining the multiple PDFs later with another tool is probably just as easy.
18:48 ^🔗	balrog-	yeah. ok
18:50 ^🔗	mistym	I tried feeding already bitonalized data into pdfbeads and it seems to be hanging forever, so boo to it.
21:05 ^🔗	godane	http://www.staples.com/VuPoint-Magic-Wand-Portable-Scanner-Black/product_900544
21:06 ^🔗	godane	i plan on buying that on ebay
21:06 ^🔗	godane	i get a used one for like less then $10
21:10 ^🔗	godane	i bid on this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/VuPoint-Magic-Wand-PDS-ST415-VP-Handheld-Scanner-/330855555020?pt=US_Scanners&hash=item4d08871fcc&autorefresh=true
21:11 ^🔗	godane	same one thats on staples but for %90 off
21:11 ^🔗	Schbirid	they might suck badly
21:12 ^🔗	godane	we will see
21:12 ^🔗	godane	i want to scan the pages and not have crappy flip cam snapshots
21:20 ^🔗	godane	Schbirid: have you use one of those scanners before?
21:20 ^🔗	Schbirid	nope
21:21 ^🔗	godane	ok
21:21 ^🔗	godane	was hoping for a sample scan
21:21 ^🔗	Schbirid	i only have a REALLY crappy normal scanner
21:23 ^🔗	DFJustin	I know they used to suck but I haven't even seen one since the mid 90s
21:23 ^🔗	DFJustin	so who knows
21:23 ^🔗	DFJustin	used flatbeds are mad cheap though so I'm not sure what the point is
21:26 ^🔗	Schbirid	easier to scan books i think
21:26 ^🔗	Schbirid	you do not have to stress the back binding
21:28 ^🔗	Schbirid	nighty
21:38 ^🔗	SketchCow	http://archive.org/details/magazine_rack
21:44 ^🔗	DFJustin	missing an L on "e Scienze is an Italian science magazine"
21:46 ^🔗	SketchCow	Fixed
23:40 ^🔗	dashcloud	This is the kind of crazy I can get behind: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/01/corporation-carpool-flap/ Guy rides in the carpool lane with his papers of incorporation- the paper is the corp, and the corp is a person, so he's got two people in the car

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