[00:03] Is it just me or did the JSTOR liberator stop working, it's stopped on "looking for unliberated item" [00:04] underscor must be hard at work. [00:04] It will only let you do one. [00:04] Oh. [00:04] That's a shame, I would've done more. [00:05] That's one thing, but it's also not working. [00:05] that's not the point. [00:05] ...then what is...? [00:06] Alard, how is it not working [00:06] SketchCow: It's returning error 500 when it requests an article. [00:07] bet what... probably the redis died or something [00:08] Could be, although the number-of-documents-saved thing still works. [00:09] I'm pinging underscor but maybe his teacher is blowing someone or something [00:13] "Walking outside, will take a look at the next bench" - underscor [00:13] That's the modern world [00:15] no, that's someone who should probably be thrown into a mental asylum for overworking himself :P [00:15] he's like the guy on bash.org who took a break from a shower to check IRC. [00:15] :P [00:20] that's why we have phones [00:24] BlueMax: that may be reasonable, depending on duration of shower [00:25] took a break from a shower? Why? http://i.imgur.com/mAEYX.jpg [00:26] well, crap, I just realized my dumpsterdiving trip tonight is not going to contine [00:26] continue * [00:26] there's fresh snow outside [00:27] is that Matthew Broderick? [00:27] no. fail. [00:28] oh, sor-ry. [00:28] apparently I'm extremely dumb today. [00:28] surprised SketchCow hasn't kicked my ass for what I said in the main chan [00:28] http://youtu.be/N9qYF9DZPdw [00:29] so, my business card hack mostly worked- needed to update biz card, had no software to put the color info back in (acrobat wasn't cooperating), so I uncompressed the pdf, and pasted in the color tags from the older version, recompressed it, and sent it to the printers [00:33] biz card? [00:33] business card [00:33] duh [00:35] what is this hack [00:37] I decompressed the PDF file and opened it up in a text editor, opened up the XML export from my correctly-color tagged PDF, copied the color tag section, and pasted it into my updated PDF file [00:37] then I recompressed the new PDF file, and sent it off to the printer [00:48] oh [00:50] you guys got the full back issues of pc gamers hardware [00:55] Oh my, #archiveteam-twitter has been inundated with retweets/ [01:06] https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/remove-united-states-district-attorney-carmen-ortiz-office-overreach-case-aaron-swartz/RQNrG1Ck also [01:13] alard: ping [01:13] Did the redis host go down? [01:13] (tracker.archiveteam.org) [01:26] appears to be up [01:27] what's the symptom? [01:33] Getting this now [01:33] any ideas? [01:33] http://p.defau.lt/?_fbRqjNqGNFzi9lYBOJLvw [01:33] cc chronomex [01:34] hm [01:35] underscor: you should be able to ssh into abuie@tracker.archiveteam.org [01:35] mk, thanks [01:36] having any issues? [01:37] you should also have sudo [01:37] Got in, but no password set [01:37] (and/or I don't know it) [01:37] So I can't sudo [01:37] password is in your ~/your-password [01:38] aha [01:38] :) [01:40] abuie is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. [01:40] you're in the sudo group, you might have to log out and back in [01:40] or use newgrp [01:41] Huzzah [01:41] REPORT THAT FUCK [01:41] I know just the prosecutor [01:42] hahahaha [01:45] updates when ready [01:45] * underscor poking around [01:45] no news yet [01:48] ah [01:48] (nil) [01:48] redis tracker.archiveteam.org:6381> srandmember todo [01:48] There's your problem [01:48] ? [01:49] http://p.defau.lt/?ePR5yRf9MNEhyetebdb31w [01:49] Looks like all the redis data got dumped? :o [01:49] o_O [01:50] try restarting redis? [01:51] I can't attach to his screen [01:51] Any ideas? [01:51] you should be able to [01:51] Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/2' - please check. [01:51] alard@shilling /root> screen -x [01:51] sudo -s -u alard [01:51] oh, you'll have to chmod /dev/pts/2 go+rw [01:52] or something [01:52] Why aren't you doing screen -r -D like a proper dick? [01:52] that would be appropriate, as archiveteam member [01:54] lol [01:57] hmm, he's not running redis in a screen [01:57] that's annoying [01:58] underscor: Please add a This is currently broken. We're working on it. in the top of the HTML [01:58] Until it's fixed. [01:59] SketchCow: done [01:59] thanks. [01:59] Anyway, carry on [01:59] Fix this shit [01:59] chop chop crisis boy [02:00] hahaha [02:00] I'm trying to :C [02:00] Restarting redis didn't fix it. [02:00] Trying to find where he has the raw data so I can reimport it [02:01] hrm. [02:03] Looks like it's working. [02:07] now it is almost working, it got as far as downloading the PDF and when I hit "submit" on the little JS popover iceweasel pegged at 100% CPU for the last few minutes (am using an i5, so it should have plenty of oomph) [02:08] underscor: where in redis are these jobs stored/ [02:10] In the todo, out, and done sets [02:11] chronomex ^ [02:11] none [02:11] redis 127.0.0.1:6379> type todo [02:11] ??? [02:11] it really looks like it's working. [02:11] new papers are showing up [02:13] haha anonymous is crazy [02:13] replaced MIT's website with the memorial [02:14] chronomex, port 6381 [02:14] oh [02:14] nooo I don't have perms for this db [02:15] I have the password... [02:15] One sec, lemme find it [02:16] no worries I guess [02:18] hm, my chrome is stuck on "uploading" [02:19] similarly iceweasel gets stuck and wedges a CPU core here [02:27] hmm [02:27] I see no reason for it to hang on upkloading [02:27] doing more testing [02:27] It's working for some people [02:31] how reliable is the liberator right now? [02:37] cc SketchCow underscor [02:37] so I can determine whether it would be wise to make an attempt to spread the word about it alreadey [02:37] already * [02:37] please hold [02:37] alright [02:37] it's working for some people but other browsers don't work [02:40] hmm [02:40] Everything worked fine for me in firefox 16 [02:40] Also, for testing purposes, you can delete the jstorlib_count cookie and do one more [02:41] why does it only allow you to upload one [02:41] also, worked for me [02:45] joepie91: because it's not a liberation effort. it's to make a statement [02:45] I see... [02:50] I think I'm going to call it healthy [02:50] Everything looks okay from this side [02:51] I think it's a weird with the bookmarklet [02:57] Do it [02:58] Remove the message [02:59] I'll just leave this here: http://neuroconscience.com/2013/01/15/can-papster-do-for-academic-publishing-what-napster-did-for-the-music-industry/ [03:00] the liberator still hangs up firefox here when I hit "upload"... any suggestions? [03:02] * BlueMob bows down in apology to the mighty SketchCow - your haystack of intelligence will always beat my needle [03:31] so the bookmarklet and process work fine for me- thanks! [03:38] SketchCow: removing message [03:51] Thanks [04:08] https://twitter.com/So__Saddened This is just sick.. [04:08] well, 53 retweets on the YAN tweet about the liberator, that's not too bad [04:09] yup [04:21] haha what the fuck [04:22] that's when you know you're doing shit right... westburo baptist church wants to show up at your funeral, and random trolls on twitter are trying to defame you after you're dead [04:22] fuuuuuck, what a bar to set for success [04:25] The Liberator appears to have died again. [05:22] reading about jstor liberator in ars, in my head i'm thinking this sounds like AT. reading further, "jason scott of ArchiveTeam" yup, thought so [05:23] * Sue scrolls up and reads [05:32] http://www.atheistberlin.com/shoes/the-charlie-d-blue-grey-ich-bin-atheist-sole-1.html i want these for my birthday [05:33] that's right Sue :/ [05:35] trolls will be trolls [05:35] how fucked up is the guy who is so envious of the dead? [06:07] Woot, cool. ArchiveTeam/JSTOR Liberator at ArsTechnica: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/01/aaron-swartz-memorial-jstor-liberator-sets-public-domain-academic-articles-free/ [06:23] Guys, lets play Find the JSTOR employee! [06:27] haha [06:29] You made me unhide joins/parts expecting that someone@*.jstor.org connected :c [06:34] Muahaha [06:38] So tempted to buy jstor.xxx and make it show the dirty backend of jstor somehow. [06:38] hahahaha [06:39] Either jstor.xxx or archiveteam.xx [06:39] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweat_of_the_brow#US_copyright_law <-- strong argument that JSTOR has 0 enforceable copyright interest in PD works [06:39] if anyone needs ammo [06:56] somehow by posting the liberator in a private BT tracker channel I fired up a debate about how copyright is actually a good thing [06:56] wtf?? [06:57] haha [07:00] Interesting.. [07:01] chronomex: that is what could be considered an unexpected outcome [07:01] very [07:01] :P [07:12] good Bob... [07:13] the callous retards posting comments on some of these article [07:13] s [07:13] "He's still a liberal, and the only good liberal, is a dead liberal. Sorry. So, a liberal does something good sometime. Does that make up for all the other BS they have caused?" [07:15] true [07:15] i feel the same way about insensitive jerks though [07:15] so it balances out [08:34] Hello, hello. It looks like tonights problems are solved? Good work. [09:42] Yes [09:42] Poor little underscor [09:43] he basically had been up for 34 hours. Poor planning plus college makeout sessions, I assume [09:43] He fell asleep at his chair [09:45] Oh. That's not good. [09:45] Yeah [09:45] I hope he's sleeping properly now [09:46] These kids [09:49] Peters stopped short of blaming prosecutors for Swartz.s suicide. [09:49] .I.m too much a student of human Ânature to ascribe a 26-year-old.s suicide to any one thing,. Peters said. .Only God and Aaron know why that happened.. [09:49] But that doesn.t mean Peters is in a forgivÂing mood. He got a voicemail from Heymann on Saturday. [09:49] .I.m sure he was sincere,. Peters said. .But I can.t call him back. Either I.ll say something I shouldn.t say, or I.m going to act like I accept his condolences, which I don.t. So the only thing I can do is not call him back.. [09:54] Anyway, great work, alard. [09:54] And underscor, when he wakes up. [09:54] I'm burning out on Aaronsw stuff [09:55] But I'm glad we're going to inspire some people. [09:55] And help burn off a little anger [09:57] For my own, I feel so much better. [09:58] I will miss my friend very much and I am sad we will not see him do more great things, but his life, short as it was, was a brilliant spark across the sky. I will never forget him and all he knew from me was love. [09:59] Tomorrow, JSTOR is going to shit a brick inside a larger, more miserable brick [09:59] I can't wait [10:03] a DDoS? [10:09] Whoops, stayed up a tad late [10:10] zzz [10:51] Smiley: I assume he's refering to the JSTOR Liberator campaign. When they'll see 10k different IPs have downloaded one paper each [10:52] That's not a DDoS, and I'm sure their web server can handle that. It's static files and all [10:55] so i got all most of thebox.bz forums right now [10:55] just need to get archive and sin bin sections [11:16] ersi: lol, [11:27] errrr [11:27] Starting GetItemFromTracker for Item [11:27] Finished PrepareDirectories for Item dts/betabuilder [11:27] Received item 'dts/betabuilder' from tracker [11:27] Starting PrepareDirectories for Item dts/betabuilder [11:27] Starting WgetDownload for Item dts/betabuilder [11:27] Thats been like that for at least 24hrs [11:29] Is that yahoo? [11:30] I'm not sure [11:30] all the other yahoo don't have a / [11:30] So i'm a bit confused. [11:30] #46668, and the rest are in teh range of #404682 [11:30] I'll tell the wariror to shutdown and restart [11:31] It's possible its been stuck for a lot longer (I've been off a week, and hadn't checked it recently before that either). [11:32] It's probably GitHub. https://github.com/dts/betabuilder [11:34] :o [11:35] but how [11:37] how what? [11:37] how did it iend up downloading github? [12:04] I thought github has finished [12:14] https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/shorten-excessive-copyright-terms/XMc72zjc [12:14] some one wants copyright to be 10 years max [12:16] i normal just go with origninal term of copyright [12:16] first term 14 years [12:17] if author needs more time and is still alive he can get another 14 years [13:24] does anyone here have invites to xspeeds? [13:24] *xspeeds.net [14:20] Huh, we suddenly have a flood of tweets about the JSTOR liberator in another language, what I presume to be either Spanish or Italian [14:52] alard: "millions of dollars in fees" -> "millions of dollars in fines" [14:53] balrog_: underscor. [14:53] oh ok :p [14:53] He's probably asleep. [14:53] yeah... [14:57] oh it's on arse [14:57] is someone from arse lurking? [14:57] ard* [14:57] arg >_< [14:57] too early too type. c ya [15:14] Did I mention my FAVORITE THING IN THE WORLD is someone who goes "hm" and then attempts to declare the legitimacy of a project? [15:19] that sounds all too familiar :\ [15:21] hm [15:21] sounds legit [15:23] hmm? [15:26] i reset that warrior now GLaDOS. It was still sitting there D: [15:29] now it looks a lot more healthy [15:43] alard: Any thoughts as to why the thing just.... stops? [15:43] We've had it happen before. [15:43] Then underscor would log in to look at it and he claims it would just start as he did it. [15:45] It doesn't give a reason for the 500 error? The Redis server seems healthy and it's still responding to the item counts. [15:45] recommendation for later: the AT scripts should ensure that wget-lua exists before trying to run things. [15:45] Heh. Something for the seesaw-kit issues list on github? [15:45] You have to ask underscor, but maybe he's looking in the wrong place. [15:46] seems related to https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/seesaw-kit/issues/10 [15:46] hm. the AT scripts should ensure that wget-lua exists before trying to run things. it undermines the legitmacy of the whole project. [15:46] I spoke to four other people at my aspberger's support group and they all agreed with me. [15:46] Shhh, don't disturb them, they're under this cup. [15:46] I dunno why you seem to take things personally... [15:47] Oh, that would be because I am taking things personally. [15:47] because that's not the point [15:47] This Time. Its Personal. [15:47] Every Time. It's Personal. [15:49] i'm going to see about getting a invite to xspeeds.com [15:49] What is that? [15:49] a private torrent site [15:50] i'm not sure if has the old x-play videos i was looking for [15:50] Do you really want me to explain why I'm taking things "personal", balrog? [15:51] I don't think you'll be very happy at the end of my explanation. [15:51] (Spoiler) [15:52] since it changed from xtremespeeds to xspeeds in may have lost the older stuff [15:52] if anything i may try to mirror the forums [15:53] just know private torrent forums are like the old bbs [15:53] there up for years then there gone [15:54] yeah, and gone quickly [15:54] some of the ones i'm getting are up for like 6 years [15:55] SketchCow: We should have a look when underscor is awake. [15:55] I could restart the Redis server. That might fix it for the time being, or it might break the web page. [15:55] Want to try that? [15:56] I am up for anything. [15:56] Webpage shouldn't BREAK, should it? [15:56] He should really have given you credentials on the server [15:56] I'm very happy, though - he's getting some good real-world experience with this one. [15:56] Probably not, but there's a small chance that the server won't like losing the redis connection and crashes. [16:01] http://idealab.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/01/aaron-swartz-article-liberator-tool-released-by-archive-team.php [16:01] does anyone know about how long it takes before yahoo starts sending 999s? [16:02] When asked about the tool, JSTOR spokesperson Heidi McGregor responded with the following statement: .This tool enables individuals to download content that is already freely available to the world from JSTOR, including for re-use and distribution, as part of our Early Journal Content.. [16:02] lol. [16:02] Scott said he relished the idea of JSTOR asking him to stop the memorial or taking him to court over the protest. [16:02] .What a lovely day that would that would be,. Scott said. Instead, he told TPM he thought that JSTOR would issue a .limp-wristed, lukewarm statement,. decrying the use of the bookmarklet. [16:02] lol they didn't even do that [16:03] Well, they did. [16:03] They decryed it in this lame little "it's available" [16:03] But you have to click through the onerous terms of service [16:04] I don't want anyone to take this personally again but TPM's description of the tpb torrent is simply incorrect... no surprise though... [16:04] SketchCow: Fixed it, I think. (But it needs attention from underscor later.) [16:05] (I'm waiting to see if there's an update.) [16:06] it's funny how the JSTOR spokesperson says the articles are "already freely available to the world from JSTOR, including for re-use and distribution" yet the TOS says the opposite [16:07] Hilarious. [16:08] all this makes me wonder what other databases have paywalled out-of-copyright material. not all have a clickthrough TOS... [16:09] No, it doesn't work yet. [16:11] balrog_: More than a few, sadly. [16:12] It makes me cringe when I hear archivists talk about doing digitization of out-of-copyright works by partnering with an organization that will stick them behind a paywall. [16:13] or google [16:13] Yeah, or that. [16:13] doesn't google publish out-of-copyright works though? [16:13] or even the archive/archivist themselves taking a stance of "I have the physical copy this came from and put forth the effort to scan it. Therefore, it is MINE and you can't copy it!" [16:13] yeah, there are historical societies around here that are like that ;( [16:14] Google's definition is sometimes weird (in Canada they restrict access to plenty of stuff that's PD), but yeah, usually. [16:14] At a conference I was at awhile ago someone was presenting about having partnered with some commercial company to digitize some WW2 holocaust documents, which will result in them being paywalled for years and years. [16:14] ugh... [16:14] but are those out of copyright? [16:14] is an unaccessable (freely) digital copy worse than no digital copy at all? [16:14] Life + 50 years in Canada. Some of them would be. [16:15] Someone asked them if they'd looked at archive.org as an affordable alternative. [16:15] They kind of just went "Well, these guys gave us a good deal..." [16:15] ugh. [16:15] how about a deal of FREE? [16:16] it would not surprise me if someone from the group that had the documents had a friend in the commercial company [16:16] that happens quite a lot [16:16] possibly with a "you get me in and I'll get you a kickback" deal? [16:17] oh I'm certain that happens [16:17] 8450847998 Creative Computing v06n10_October1980 [16:17] 17666529242 Creative Computing v08n12_December1982 [16:17] Ha ha. [16:17] Well, apparently Creative Computing December 1982 was pretty fuckin' big. [16:17] 17gb zip, from 600dpi images [16:17] yow [16:17] these are full color scans I'm assuming [16:18] You literally said that [16:18] because those sizes.... sound about right. [16:18] Now stand over a car accident and say that probably hurt. [16:19] Just checked. October 1980 is 198 pages. [16:19] And December 1982 was.... 436 [16:19] Damn, December 1982 was the good times [16:19] God, to get a 436 page computer magazine [16:20] SketchCow: I think it works now, more or less. The Redis-client has problems: on some connections it doesn't send the password, and also forgets to select the right database. [16:20] computer shopper? [16:20] Computer shopper's a different experience [16:20] But they are amazing too [16:21] balrog_: What especially bugged me here was that they had to try to sell this to the donor of many of the items, since the donor wanted them publicly available. They finally settled for a compromise where local access through physical stations in the university library would be available. (But of course no one else.) [16:21] ugh... there should have been no compromises from the donor. :( [16:21] Especially since they talked about the emotional moment when a survivor's family had come across documents relating to their family. Which won't happen for most people since they'll never even know they're available. [16:21] https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/291218594635841536 [16:22] alard: Is this something fixable, or the nature of the client program"? [16:23] I think it's a problem with the library. But we can work around it by not asking for a password and using the default database. [16:23] mistym: argh! where was this? urge to liberate these documents is rising [16:25] Fuck, it's almost noon. [16:25] http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fcache.nevkontakte.com%2Fproxy.html#go=http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/oclcscam [16:25] He deleted the original off his website. [16:25] Naughty Aaron, he tried to clean up some things before he went. [16:28] he even robots.txt'd that [16:29] Coderjoe: I'm not actually sure if the paywalled part is even online yet. Back in June it sounded like they were still working on it. [16:34] This creative computing two new issues thing is going to take a while. [16:35] I bet the 436 page one takes upward of 6 hours to derive. [16:44] still a nice illustration of why you don't actually have to care about preemptively compressing the shit out of things anymore [16:48] That's the idea, yes [16:55] Certainly, when Kevin and I were discussing the creation of these, we talked about how to do them in a way that had a lasting effect. [16:55] I insisted on TIFFs, 600dpi [16:58] how much processing does derive do to decrease file size to something more manageable for end-users? in any case it's awesome that original tiffs are preserved :) [16:58] go read a lock [17:10] what does that even mean? [17:11] you know.... [17:11] I came back to this window, that was there. [17:11] And I swear, I don't remember typing that. [17:11] So I'm going to go deliver some mail. :) [17:11] And forget I'm crazy [17:11] Mailing an accordion [17:11] I do that all teh time. [17:12] forget I've written stuff. [17:12] Internet Archive scanner is in nominal place in the room [17:12] then look at it and think to myself "I was going to write that!" [17:12] then I notice I have, and feel a bit weird.... [17:13] I'm assuming "lock" is a voice recognition error for "log" [17:14] most of us here are crazy in some way or other [17:15] i am not [17:15] me neither [17:20] so, what windows 7 edition should i get for my father? [17:22] around here I generally run pro or enterprise, since that's what's easiest to get (legally ofc) [17:22] yeah, pro sounds most reasonable. the home editions are kinda castrated [17:22] yeah. [17:23]