#archiveteam-bs 2013-01-27,Sun

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01:08 🔗 omf__ SketchCow, Is it cool if I add a section about parsers to the Conversion Software.
01:09 🔗 omf__ Some files already have cross language universal parsers
01:10 🔗 SketchCow Feel fre
01:10 🔗 SketchCow e
01:59 🔗 dashcloud so, I was reading a blog post, and the person was remembering how they used to call collect and when asked for the name, just say the message, and then the receiving party would decline the charges- is there anyone here who doesn't remember that?
02:00 🔗 ersi yeah, me
02:06 🔗 dashcloud if you're interested, I can give you a few thoughts on it
02:07 🔗 ersi dunno, doesn't seem more elaborate than that summary. Seems like a fine idea
02:08 🔗 dashcloud it was, and apparently it was well-known enough to be the focus of an ad- presumably for cheaper longer distance phone calls
02:58 🔗 SketchCow I remember that
02:58 🔗 SketchCow But we used the name as the message
02:59 🔗 SketchCow John meant I'm fine, David meant I'll be home soon, etc.
03:10 🔗 chronomex that's a form of what's called "code calling", and it was considered toll fraud
03:10 🔗 SketchCow Whelllll YEAH
03:11 🔗 chronomex also code calling is "one ring and hangup means im ok"
03:19 🔗 SketchCow also
03:19 🔗 SketchCow NAAARC
03:19 🔗 SketchCow NARC
03:19 🔗 * SketchCow kicks chronomex out of the van
03:25 🔗 illunatic i just fire a flare
03:25 🔗 illunatic code jumping... if i jump out of a plane with a parachute it means i'm good. otherwise, not good. send parachute
03:26 🔗 chronomex lol
03:26 🔗 illunatic http://come.in/index.php?session_new=aHR0cDovL2tpY2thc3N0b3JyZW50cy5jb20v?
03:26 🔗 illunatic this is the only way to kat.ph since they let their domain name lapse
03:28 🔗 Aranje seems like their index is blanked, not domain lapsed
03:28 🔗 illunatic well, maybe not the only way, but i don't have the direct ip
03:28 🔗 godane1 just for every one keeping count at home i'm at 40.4gb of g4tv.com videos
03:32 🔗 SketchCow Crazy, man
03:33 🔗 godane1 there is lots of very old dial up techtv shows on it too
03:36 🔗 godane1 also there is tons of game trailers on here
11:16 🔗 underscor Wheeee fire alarm
11:30 🔗 ersi teehee
12:20 🔗 turnkit want to find a hack like this -- http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn12688 -- that will allow me to scan the CD/DVD surface cover image as the disc is in the drive... too hopeful?
12:27 🔗 Smiley :/
12:32 🔗 turnkit like this idea: http://hackaday.com/2007/09/25/convert-a-dvd-r-drive-into-a-lab-scanner/ but for optical wavelengths
12:33 🔗 turnkit http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/ac070328b
12:39 🔗 turnkit here's some pics of the hack to the CD/DVD drive to add an extra sensor: http://144.206.159.178/ft/38/11562/233896.pdf -- on the 4th page
20:23 🔗 * db48x sighs
20:23 🔗 db48x I'm pessimistic today
20:29 🔗 Smiley I always am :(
20:50 🔗 illunatic sup db48x
20:51 🔗 illunatic pessimism is an important skill to have for becoming successful
20:51 🔗 illunatic it gives you an opportunity to see potential problems and solve them before they happen
20:52 🔗 illunatic it's certainly better then saying "the universe just doesn't want me to be successful"
20:52 🔗 illunatic imo
20:52 🔗 * illunatic illunatips #374
21:14 🔗 db48x illunatic: possibly
21:14 🔗 db48x I see the problems I can't fix
21:17 🔗 illunatic do you get fixed on those problems? :D
21:18 🔗 illunatic i jsut learned that the reason Einstein had copies of the same outfit was so he did not have to waste thought on deciding how to dress in the morning
21:18 🔗 illunatic so he could allocate his brain computer toward better applications
21:19 🔗 illunatic (allegedly)
21:19 🔗 illunatic i also like to joke about how every quote on the internet is by Einstein, so i take these stories with a grain of slat
21:19 🔗 illunatic salt
21:19 🔗 db48x and not real skill and experience
21:19 🔗 db48x the tech support at my dsl provider who can't reach into the firmware of the modem they gave me and fix the bufferbloat that makes my internet connection so painful. my practically new phone that has started having trouble; I sometimes have to reboot it before I can place a call, and the voicemail has stopped working and the text message application crashes. recruiters and hiring managers who only care about bullet points on a resume
21:20 🔗 illunatic AT&T?
21:20 🔗 db48x sonic
21:20 🔗 illunatic oh really?
21:20 🔗 illunatic sonic seems like a good company too :(
21:20 🔗 illunatic they are not coming through for you on the tech end though huh?
21:20 🔗 db48x (but of course the phone line comes from at&t)
21:20 🔗 Smiley [21:18:37] < illunatic> i jsut learned that the reason Einstein had copies of the same outfit was so he did not have to waste thought on deciding how to dress in the morning
21:20 🔗 illunatic the backbone?
21:20 🔗 Smiley that was Jobbs
21:20 🔗 db48x they're decent in most respects
21:20 🔗 Smiley Jobs?
21:20 🔗 Smiley pffft, don't know how its spelt
21:21 🔗 illunatic steve jobs?
21:21 🔗 Smiley yup
21:21 🔗 illunatic makes sense
21:21 🔗 Smiley black jumper
21:21 🔗 db48x and bufferbloat is a problem that affects every single device on the internet
21:21 🔗 illunatic i read that he got that from how chinese factories wore something similar
21:21 🔗 Smiley I don't even know what he wore other than that :D
21:21 🔗 illunatic and wanted all his employees to do that too
21:21 🔗 db48x the net is slower today in real terms than it was in the 80's
21:21 🔗 balrog_ both Einstein and Jobs did that
21:21 🔗 illunatic ^
21:22 🔗 illunatic it's always good to copy what works
21:22 🔗 Smiley db48x: put your own router in front, a proper router.
21:22 🔗 illunatic i think hitler did it too
21:22 🔗 Smiley strange i've never read it about enstein
21:22 🔗 db48x Smiley: if that router is in the path at all, then every time I upload anything my latencies will shoot through the roof
21:22 🔗 Smiley db48x: ...
21:22 🔗 Smiley no
21:23 🔗 Smiley you reduce the amount the modem can buffer
21:23 🔗 illunatic well einstein never did anything groundbreaking like marketing a smartphone to hipsters
21:23 🔗 Smiley you provide at its slowest unbuffered speed.
21:23 🔗 illunatic maybe if he did something important we would read more about him
21:23 🔗 illunatic :D
21:23 🔗 Smiley you control the buffer, and control the tcp stream properly.
21:23 🔗 Smiley illunatic: :D
21:23 🔗 db48x oh, you mean put one in that limits it's own output to just below the speed of the dsl
21:24 🔗 Smiley db48x: yes :)
21:25 🔗 illunatic db48x: is the phone issue unrelated?
21:26 🔗 Smiley and it can buffer sensibly
21:26 🔗 Smiley QoS style,
21:26 🔗 db48x illunatic: yes
21:26 🔗 illunatic ah
21:26 🔗 illunatic best option is probably to backup contacts and restore factory settings
21:27 🔗 illunatic then if any updates are needed do that as well
21:27 🔗 illunatic i have resolved to stop installing apps because eventually something starts causing problems
21:27 🔗 illunatic usually battery draining way to fast
21:32 🔗 db48x Smiley: I guess I just feel that I shouldn't need to do that
21:34 🔗 db48x surely it's not too much to ask that my internet connection actually work correctly
21:35 🔗 db48x that they acknowledge that it's their modem that's screwing it up, that they fix it?
21:39 🔗 Smiley db48x: Oh sure, fully agree.
21:39 🔗 Smiley Just suggesting a fix :/
21:40 🔗 db48x yea
21:41 🔗 db48x I guess I could spend my weekend building a box to serve as a proper router
21:43 🔗 Smiley its a fun exercise at least
21:44 🔗 db48x not really
22:01 🔗 db48x I'm going to go eat a steak
22:01 🔗 illunatic :)
22:01 🔗 illunatic sketchsteak
22:01 🔗 illunatic :X
22:02 🔗 db48x anyone here in the SF area?
22:10 🔗 Aranje I'm 3 hours south :D
22:10 🔗 db48x heh
22:12 🔗 db48x that seems like a long way to drive for a steak
22:12 🔗 Aranje It is, yeah
22:13 🔗 Aranje And I don't have any steaks
22:14 🔗 db48x that said, if you want to join me for a steak anyway, you're welcome to do so
22:16 🔗 * Aranje laughs
22:16 🔗 Aranje I don't have a car, though I appreciate the offer :)
22:16 🔗 db48x ah, well
22:17 🔗 Aranje I should pare down the number of chats I'm in, I can never remember where everyone is and it seems creepy to keep that info in a text file
22:17 🔗 db48x heh
22:17 🔗 Aranje I was in SF in december lol
22:19 🔗 Aranje hmm, I should tag another ride up there, it was fun when I visited. I've lived in california for 10 years and it was the first time I'd been "into the city"
22:19 🔗 db48x cool. what were you up to?
22:19 🔗 Aranje A young woman I know needed help moving, and offered to drag me up there and take me to MOMA and such for payback
22:20 🔗 db48x ah
22:20 🔗 Aranje I had... pho for the first time, went to moma... touristy stuffs :P
22:20 🔗 Aranje and carted her shit around
22:20 🔗 Aranje lol
22:21 🔗 Aranje got to see mountain view too
22:21 🔗 Aranje cute little town
22:22 🔗 db48x heh
22:37 🔗 illunatic http://blog.greenpirate.org/torrentfreak-censored-at-airport/
22:37 🔗 illunatic rabble rabble! heh
22:37 🔗 illunatic actually i would like to promote open dialogue instead of villifying the company
22:37 🔗 illunatic i want to bring safe harbor back to ISPs
22:43 🔗 db48x I want to punish them for voluntarily giving up their safe-harbor rights
22:45 🔗 db48x granted that I don't know how it works in Canada, but here in the US you are only a safe-harbor as long as you take no proactive measures to police anything your users do
22:46 🔗 db48x and if you do take proactive steps and fail to prevent something, then you are basically just as liable as your customer
22:48 🔗 Aranje I like our system (when it's done that way). Go balls deep, or stay the fuck out.
22:54 🔗 illunatic db48x: i know
22:54 🔗 illunatic i know the feel bro
22:55 🔗 dashcloud wow- I just noticed Netflix has a selection of classic Doctor Who episodes on streaming
23:08 🔗 dashcloud good news folks: Newegg got 3 patents that supposedly were essential for shopping carts invalidated: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/01/how-newegg-crushed-the-shopping-cart-patent-and-saved-online-retail/
23:22 🔗 Aranje haha, and now we have companies that are awesome because they're slaughtering patents instead of acquiring or filing them
23:22 🔗 Aranje fuck yeah
23:25 🔗 illunatic yes
23:25 🔗 illunatic :D
23:25 🔗 illunatic troll slayers
23:25 🔗 Aranje maybe that's how we'll get around this shit
23:25 🔗 Aranje companies realize patents are actually dumb and so we end up reducing the number of patents over time
23:53 🔗 illunatic i think that will be the biggest momentum
23:53 🔗 illunatic commerce is a powerful motivator
23:53 🔗 illunatic when people realize the open internets benefit all of society, they will be pissed at anyone trying to interfere with that
23:53 🔗 illunatic that's my speculation anyway
23:54 🔗 illunatic because that's how i feel about it when people want to get in the way and break the network

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