#archiveteam-bs 2013-02-09,Sat

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05:32 🔗 omf_ So a good portion of my backup media is failing, older stuff first. Between 3 different burners, 2 software programs and a few different kinds of media I figured it out and it still sucks.
05:32 🔗 omf_ Putting bd-r disks in a wallet is bad for them. Storage in individual cases is the safest
05:32 🔗 chronomex lame
05:32 🔗 omf_ I got 13 year old burned dvdrs that do not have this problem
05:32 🔗 chronomex unsurprising
05:33 🔗 omf_ how the fuck can this happen
05:33 🔗 chronomex do not depend on any single item for your data
05:33 🔗 chronomex backups
05:33 🔗 omf_ I doubled checked each backup when it was done
05:33 🔗 omf_ rsync + sha1
05:33 🔗 chronomex cool
05:33 🔗 omf_ and now 2 years later, busted
05:33 🔗 chronomex well, the problem is BDR has much smaller bits than DVDR
05:34 🔗 omf_ So now I am building a raid as another backup
05:34 🔗 chronomex and it uses tiny ink dots anyway
05:34 🔗 omf_ I just cannot believe how much this sucks
05:34 🔗 chronomex yup
05:34 🔗 omf_ I was using cdrs in 1994 and did not have shit like this. I had some faith that after media had been out a few years they work the bugs out
05:35 🔗 chronomex writable optical media tends to be bad news
05:35 🔗 chronomex sorry to break it to you
05:35 🔗 omf_ well it is now
05:35 🔗 chronomex CDRs fade
05:35 🔗 omf_ really bad
05:35 🔗 omf_ I used gold gold cdrs, guaranteed 100 year shelf life
05:35 🔗 chronomex pfffff
05:35 🔗 chronomex that's bullshit claim
05:36 🔗 omf_ the library of congress even approved them
05:36 🔗 chronomex only way to make anything last is to recopy it every few years
05:36 🔗 omf_ well I recopy every so many years so I can get more data on each disk
05:36 🔗 chronomex sure
05:36 🔗 omf_ it sucks flipping disks looking for old photos and video
05:36 🔗 omf_ and I am in a suck position
05:36 🔗 chronomex if you really want it to last, keep duplicate copies on different type of media
05:37 🔗 omf_ I do profession HD video and photos. So I generate 300+gb a week easy
05:37 🔗 chronomex magnetic media tend to have more permanence than optical media
05:37 🔗 omf_ yep that is what I am doing now. Once I get this bluray shit figured. I will have a bluray set and a raid disk array set
05:37 🔗 omf_ most places I worked still use hardcore tape drives
05:37 🔗 chronomex LTO-4 tape systems are not expensive on the secondary market
05:37 🔗 chronomex 800G per tape cart
05:37 🔗 omf_ and I restored a 15 year old backup once and it still worked
05:37 🔗 omf_ that sounds good
05:37 🔗 chronomex yep
05:38 🔗 omf_ slow but good
05:38 🔗 chronomex yep
05:38 🔗 omf_ who makes it?
05:38 🔗 chronomex http://www.ebay.com/sch/items/?_nkw=lto4
05:38 🔗 chronomex it's a standard!
05:38 🔗 omf_ this is why I love archiveteam, other collectors who get it
05:38 🔗 chronomex tape carts are about $30: http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Ultrium-800GB-Cartridge-LTX800G/dp/B000QEGJH8/
05:39 🔗 omf_ I kinda expected hvd would already be out
05:39 🔗 chronomex I do not trust optical media
05:39 🔗 omf_ and I know the crystal stuff is coming along
05:39 🔗 chronomex it's unpleasant to use anyway
05:39 🔗 omf_ That is a hard burn in binary
05:40 🔗 chronomex hmm?
05:40 🔗 omf_ yeah I break cds in my car constantly
05:40 🔗 chronomex "hard burn in binary" ?
05:40 🔗 omf_ Crystal tech. It burns binary dots into a hard crystal that is one time only
05:40 🔗 chronomex oh
05:41 🔗 omf_ Starts in the multi terabyte range and they run cars over the shit and it still works
05:41 🔗 * chronomex shrugs
05:41 🔗 chronomex I also don't like single-use media
05:41 🔗 chronomex but it's compelling for archivism
05:41 🔗 omf_ It is being developed by a bunch of companies and governments as a real long term storage media
05:41 🔗 chronomex aye
05:42 🔗 omf_ Hell they even said it is like the data rods they have in star trek
05:42 🔗 omf_ on the flip side they have dna based hard drives that are starting to work
05:42 🔗 chronomex a friend of mine did a workup on LTO-6 gear, he says it doesn't get cheaper than spinning rust until you're well into the petabyte range
05:42 🔗 chronomex er, not petabyte
05:42 🔗 chronomex well over $500,000
05:42 🔗 omf_ you use a tape drive?
05:42 🔗 chronomex no
05:42 🔗 chronomex I may start soon though
05:43 🔗 chronomex probably not, but possible
05:43 🔗 omf_ I had a 600mb back in the 90s it never failed
05:43 🔗 chronomex aye
05:43 🔗 omf_ fuck talk about what should be a solved problem
05:43 🔗 chronomex no, it's a very hard problem
05:44 🔗 chronomex bits are -tiny- and we're trying to get the BER to 0?
05:44 🔗 chronomex in a hostile environment
05:45 🔗 omf_ I mean a few dozen media and hard drive companies. A couple decades and more than a few billion dollars later and the error rate on hard drive surfaces is the same it was 10, 20 years ago
05:45 🔗 omf_ which matches your point about how hard this is
05:45 🔗 chronomex but the bits are multiple orders of magnitude smaller
05:48 🔗 omf_ I sometimes worry about how the IA is not fully backed up anywhere else that I know of
05:48 🔗 chronomex IA has backups but they're not georedundant
05:48 🔗 omf_ so they at least have onsite?
05:48 🔗 chronomex iirc everything is duplicated onsite at different machines
05:48 🔗 chronomex for both backup and load balancing
05:50 🔗 omf_ those tape drives are like $1,000
05:50 🔗 omf_ shit
05:51 🔗 chronomex you can get them for $300ish if you look in the right places
05:51 🔗 GLaDOS http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Quantum-LTO-Ultrium-4-WORM-Tape-Cartridge/5312206/product.html?cid=207675 seems a bit too cheap..
05:51 🔗 chronomex but yeah typically 1k
05:51 🔗 GLaDOS Wait, no, that's a cartridge
05:51 🔗 chronomex hah
05:51 🔗 GLaDOS ffs misleading image
05:51 🔗 chronomex with a picture of a drive
05:51 🔗 chronomex wtf
05:52 🔗 omf_ typical overstock
05:54 🔗 omf_ It is going to take forever to save up for one of those
05:54 🔗 chronomex :(
05:54 🔗 omf_ college debt still ruining my life
05:54 🔗 GLaDOS I've figured out a way to generate easy money running off of the guilt of others.
05:55 🔗 GLaDOS Buy someone 30 dollars of credit for their pre-paid plan.
05:55 🔗 GLaDOS They feel as if they owe me, and send the credit back and pay me in cash for their plan being activated.
05:55 🔗 GLaDOS I send that credit to a second person, and they say they'll pay me back.
05:55 🔗 GLaDOS $30 profit!
05:55 🔗 chronomex I don't get it
05:56 🔗 GLaDOS Everyone here has a pre-paid plan for their mobile phones.
05:56 🔗 GLaDOS Basically, get $30 of credit each month, and a plan gets activated.
05:56 🔗 omf_ Yeah I do prepaid cause it saves me money
05:56 🔗 chronomex oh
05:56 🔗 GLaDOS You cannot deactivate it no matter how hard you try.
05:57 🔗 GLaDOS It's either that, or Redstone Powered takes off and Cameron_D and I buy a tape drive each.
05:59 🔗 chronomex omf_: for half the capacity, lto-3 drives are for sale on ebay for like $150 and less
05:59 🔗 omf_ I could live with that
05:59 🔗 chronomex carts are $20ish
05:59 🔗 omf_ as long as the tapes are over 100gb each
05:59 🔗 chronomex for 400gbyte
05:59 🔗 omf_ anything else is just too small
06:00 🔗 omf_ lol, I just thought back to the 20mb hard drive that came with my XT back in 85
06:00 🔗 chronomex ha
06:01 🔗 GLaDOS Sorry, where're these cheap lto-3 drives again? http://scr.GLaDOS.me/1360389638.png
06:01 🔗 GLaDOS Damn being in Australia and all.
06:01 🔗 chronomex http://www.ebay.com/sch/items/?_nkw=lto-3+drive
06:02 🔗 omf_ that price is not too bad
06:02 🔗 GLaDOS One in bidding for 100AUD, pickup only from Sydney.
06:02 🔗 GLaDOS ;_;
06:03 🔗 omf_ So what is everyone else up to? ;)
06:04 🔗 GLaDOS Cleaning server up.
06:05 🔗 omf_ GLaDOS, a never ending task
06:05 🔗 GLaDOS Yep :c
06:08 🔗 GLaDOS Accidentally uninstalled vim instead of vlc earlier
06:08 🔗 GLaDOS I don't even know why vlc was installed either..
06:11 🔗 omf_ on the server?
06:12 🔗 GLaDOS Yeah, a headless VPS
06:12 🔗 omf_ maybe someone was using it for streaming?
06:17 🔗 GLaDOS Possibly.
06:17 🔗 GLaDOS I was using icecast, but that doesn't use vlc AFAIK
06:18 🔗 omf_ I have used icecast, it is stand alone
06:18 🔗 omf_ vlc is like the poor mans version
06:22 🔗 GLaDOS Heh
06:34 🔗 GLaDOS swebb: Could you try rejoining? I want to see if I've set auto-op up on you correctly.
09:36 🔗 godane you guys are now getting the broken g4 videos from g4tv.com
09:37 🔗 godane from 14157 on to the early 16000s most are broken trackers
09:39 🔗 godane 14173 works fine
09:43 🔗 godane i think most of 14175 works
09:43 🔗 godane just the tracker jumps from middle to end
10:27 🔗 godane so when play one of the broken flv files in mplayer it errors with this:
10:27 🔗 godane Error while decoding frame!
10:27 🔗 godane anyone know what that means and how to fix it
10:28 🔗 godane i'm hoping this can be fixed with memcoder or ffmpeg
12:24 🔗 godane this one is very broken: https://archive.org/details/g4tv.com-video14301
12:24 🔗 godane will have to wait until there is a fix
12:28 🔗 godane broken: https://archive.org/details/g4tv.com-video14283
12:32 🔗 godane video17015 is broken too
12:33 🔗 godane Jason Scott will have to go with some sort of back hoe and find what videos are broken in this collection
12:34 🔗 godane this way we can have a list of damage files
12:42 🔗 godane looks like robots.txt for thebox.bz blocks everything
12:42 🔗 godane only good news is no thebox.bz user will find out that i mirrored there forums using wayback machine
12:48 🔗 GLaDOS Hehe
12:59 🔗 godane hey
13:08 🔗 GLaDOS Hi
13:36 🔗 godane so i'm banned from thebox.bz
13:36 🔗 godane cause i told them i mirrored there forums
13:38 🔗 godane how do i dark them?
13:45 🔗 GLaDOS You kindly ask underscor or SketchCow I believe.
13:47 🔗 godane whats sad is i really don't want to dark it
13:48 🔗 GLaDOS It'll be darkened if they complain.
13:48 🔗 GLaDOS If they really do care..
13:48 🔗 godane ok
13:49 🔗 godane it will be only a few years anyways
13:49 🔗 godane when there dead it goes back up
13:49 🔗 godane or undark
13:50 🔗 godane i shouldn't have told them
13:57 🔗 GLaDOS Probably not.
14:16 🔗 godane underscor: are you there?
15:33 🔗 godane it doesn't matter
15:34 🔗 godane i can get the bbc click epsiodes off of usenet
16:13 🔗 omf_ dmca is taking apart usenet
16:13 🔗 omf_ it took them a while to figure it out but it is happening now
16:14 🔗 omf_ once it is gone all we have left is that crap they call google groups
16:16 🔗 godane i'm getting them now anyways
16:16 🔗 godane its mostly 2012 episodes
16:18 🔗 godane i have some incomplete years of sky at night
16:18 🔗 godane but thats ok
16:18 🔗 godane got some full episodes from them
16:19 🔗 omf_ what quality?
16:20 🔗 godane vhsrips of sky at night
16:20 🔗 godane the quality of the click episodes is pdtv
16:20 🔗 godane i think thebox.bz had webrips for the most part
16:21 🔗 godane so no banner news ticker those videos
16:24 🔗 godane found the hbo show called braingames
16:24 🔗 godane http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braingames
16:24 🔗 godane you guys will be getting it
16:29 🔗 omf_ I remember that show. sweet
16:40 🔗 swebb GLaDOS: Worked. Thanks!
16:41 🔗 GLaDOS Heh, redundant auto-op.
16:42 🔗 swebb Yup. Nice!
16:50 🔗 godane i may have found better versions of bits and bytes
16:50 🔗 godane these episodes are in the 300-400mb area
17:02 🔗 godane on the g4video-web collection i have uploaded over 5000+ videos
17:03 🔗 godane but there are tons of broken videos in the 14000s
17:03 🔗 godane like this one: https://archive.org/details/g4tv.com-video14520
17:05 🔗 godane this is very broken: https://archive.org/details/g4tv.com-video14506
17:05 🔗 godane 7.3k h.264 file derive
19:48 🔗 underscor omf_: I've not seen/heard a lot of Usenet DMCAs
19:48 🔗 underscor godane: I'm here now, if you still need me
20:02 🔗 godane it doesn't matter
20:02 🔗 godane they banned me
20:03 🔗 godane can't contact in the irc and i don't know if the email i sent will be reply to anyways
20:03 🔗 godane there mad i made a mirror of the forums
20:09 🔗 balrog_ who, ug?
20:12 🔗 balrog_ I'm on there and have plenty of ratio...
20:12 🔗 omf_ astraweb for example has an automated dmca takedown system that fields an increasing number of complaints
20:12 🔗 omf_ Torrentfreak or something like that had an article about it
20:20 🔗 DFJustin balrog_: <godane> so i'm banned from thebox.bz <godane> cause i told them i mirrored there forums
20:20 🔗 balrog_ ohhhh
20:20 🔗 balrog_ personally... I'd mirror the forums, and keep quiet unless the site dies
20:21 🔗 balrog_ I can see why a torrent site would be upset if their forums were publicly mirrored.
20:21 🔗 balrog_ I probably would be upset if it was my torrent site
20:31 🔗 DFJustin http://shinjuforest.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/little-oddities-falcoms-copy-protection.html
20:44 🔗 godane balrog_: I'm on underground-gamer
21:07 🔗 Schbirid underscor: i need you <3
22:04 🔗 godane anyways any of you guys could make the warc.gz of thebox.bz anyways
22:04 🔗 godane you can still signup i think
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