#archiveteam-bs 2013-02-19,Tue

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00:16 🔗 godane looks like commandN only has 5 episodes in IA
00:16 🔗 godane based on blip.tv dumps
00:16 🔗 godane i will be helping to make a collection for them
00:19 🔗 omf_ godane, thanks for uploading Triumph of Nerds. I just finished watching it and it brings back some great memories
00:19 🔗 godane omf_: nerds 2.0.1 is also uploaded there
00:20 🔗 godane i know of a least 3 collections need will be added to computers tech videos
00:20 🔗 godane Triumph of the Nerds, Nerds 2.0.1, and Big Thinkers
00:21 🔗 godane There is also Braingames episodes that i have uploaded
00:21 🔗 omf_ I got pirates of silicon valley if that is needed
00:21 🔗 omf_ but that is a movie
00:22 🔗 omf_ historical drama
00:22 🔗 omf_ whatever
00:22 🔗 godane i have it too
00:22 🔗 godane but since its a movie it will just go dark
00:22 🔗 omf_ true
00:23 🔗 omf_ I like watch video about the industry because it allows me to actually see people
00:31 🔗 godane looks like the first 63 episodes of commandN are gone
00:48 🔗 godane so pat & stu show screwed up the mp3 again
00:48 🔗 godane first its only 45mins when it should be close to 90mins
00:48 🔗 godane 2nd i think its a repeat
00:49 🔗 godane may have to start just going after video of pat & stu even though most of the time the mp3 should be good enough
00:49 🔗 godane and also its alot of data to download and upload
00:52 🔗 godane ADD Moment: looks like blip.tv collection was giving up on
00:54 🔗 godane the latest video is 122 days ago
00:54 🔗 godane the rest are like 2 years old
01:28 🔗 godane so some good news on commandN
01:28 🔗 godane i maybe able to find some of 200ish episodes that don't have links on there video pages anymore
01:29 🔗 godane also the file sizes are bigger then whats on flv
01:29 🔗 godane by like 2x
04:22 🔗 joepie92 http://joepie91.wordpress.com/2013/02/19/the-python-documentation-is-bad-and-you-should-feel-bad/
04:29 🔗 godane we maybe in some lucky with the first 63 episodes of commandN
04:30 🔗 godane the first 4 i couldn't find but episodes 5 to 63 are streamable
04:30 🔗 godane problem is that it uses hipcast i don't know how to get a download link from the streams
04:38 🔗 joepie92 godane: jdownloader and freerapid don't know how to deal with it?
04:39 🔗 omf_ get-flash-video might be able to handle it
04:40 🔗 godane i'm getting them
04:43 🔗 godane but found out blinkx may host high bitrate versions of these episodes
06:48 🔗 omf_ This might be an interesting community to build up http://www.reddit.com/r/scrapers/
06:48 🔗 omf_ another avenue to spread the word and get knowledge shared
07:46 🔗 ersi joepie92: The PHP documentation is aweful, what are you on about
07:46 🔗 ersi awful*
07:57 🔗 yipdw joepie92: can't say I've experienced any of what you wrote in that blog post
07:57 🔗 yipdw I found learning Python pretty easy
07:57 🔗 yipdw but that's a personal thing
08:12 🔗 omf_ the python documentation visual presentation and navigation structure could be improved
08:35 🔗 ersi omf_: Indeed
08:48 🔗 Smiley sigh
08:48 🔗 Smiley net exploded again
09:46 🔗 schbiridi nope, aria2c is still freezing with 100% cpu. damn
09:47 🔗 ersi http://www.gwern.net/Archiving%20URLs
10:00 🔗 omf_ interesting article. webcite can still eat a pack of dicks
10:03 🔗 ersi Gwern's got some good writings on his site :)
10:16 🔗 db48x heh, spidering his own browsing history is an admirably direct approach
10:16 🔗 db48x and awesome, considering how many nay-sayers there were when we switched to using sqlite in Firefox
10:20 🔗 omf_ There were some performance problems in the first few versions
10:20 🔗 omf_ as the history grew too large
10:20 🔗 ersi fuck the nay-sayers, they just say nay
14:11 🔗 joepie92 ersi: elaborate
14:11 🔗 joepie92 you're the third or so that I see saying "the PHP documentation is awful"
14:11 🔗 joepie92 but so far noone has said "the PHP documentation is awful because [...]"
14:12 🔗 ersi You list a few very good reasons, it's plain wrong occationally, outdated. I'd say most of the examples are horrible as well
14:21 🔗 ersi Also, most of the 'descriptions' are.. fugly and hard to read
14:21 🔗 ersi and that's like the most important part of the whole ugly docpage
14:53 🔗 joepie92 ersi: yet the PHP docs still work
14:54 🔗 joepie92 because they have a solid structure and organization
14:54 🔗 joepie92 if I need to know something about PHP anything, it takes me 10 seconds to find
14:54 🔗 ersi Nature of habits, that's how they work
14:54 🔗 joepie92 if I need to know a similar thing for Python, it usually lies anywhere between 1 and 30 minutes depending on whether I have to find a suitable module first
14:54 🔗 joepie92 then parse the docs
14:55 🔗 joepie92 that may or may not be well-structured
14:55 🔗 joepie92 etc
14:55 🔗 joepie92 no such thing as a quick reference
14:55 🔗 ersi I agree that both sets of documentations are ripe for improvements
14:55 🔗 ersi but it's nowhere as bad as you're ranting, imo
14:55 🔗 ersi I do however enjoy kennethre's hitchhikers guide to python
14:55 🔗 joepie92 eris: it's bad enough to make using Python for my serious projects infeasible
14:55 🔗 joepie92 literally
14:56 🔗 kennethre ersi: thanks :)
14:56 🔗 joepie92 I cannot switch to Python
14:56 🔗 joepie92 since I simply cannot justify the extra time necessary to find things
14:56 🔗 Smiley hmmmm
14:56 🔗 kennethre all docs are a continuous work in progress
14:56 🔗 joepie92 what irks me most is the argument that "the Python docs give you context and other potentially useful info"
14:56 🔗 joepie92 I don't care
14:56 🔗 joepie92 if I want that other info I will look for it
14:56 🔗 kennethre the python docs are excellent reference
14:56 🔗 Smiley hmmmm
14:56 🔗 kennethre terrible newcomer guide
14:56 🔗 Smiley I find gentoo easy to find docs for
14:56 🔗 joepie92 when I look for something, I want an immediate overview of all information that pertains to what I am looking for
14:56 🔗 Smiley most people are like "!zomgwthfhgentoowhy?!"
14:56 🔗 joepie92 not half a book of 'context'
14:56 🔗 kennethre needs more prose
14:56 🔗 Smiley but I've been using it for years.
14:57 🔗 ersi kennethre: Indeed.
14:57 🔗 joepie92 kennethre: they are definitely not an excellent reference
14:57 🔗 joepie92 especially because lack of examples to resolve ambiguity
14:57 🔗 joepie92 one of my most frequent problems with python docs, aside from terrible searchability, is reading something and going
14:57 🔗 joepie92 "do they mean X or do they mean Y? not sure what input format to use..."
14:57 🔗 kennethre joepie92: well i mean like method reference :)
14:57 🔗 * Smiley goes to sleep
14:58 🔗 joepie92 you'll have to elaborate, then
14:58 🔗 ersi You have a bunch of classes, which have methods - they're present on a page
14:58 🔗 joepie92 why am I 92 ._.
14:58 🔗 ersi Born 1992? :P
14:58 🔗 joepie91 ah, in that sense
14:58 🔗 joepie91 even there, there are issues with undocumented methods
14:58 🔗 ersi That's how I parsed it at least - makes me think of Javadocs a little
14:59 🔗 joepie91 but as a general rule of thumb it's fairly complete
14:59 🔗 ersi I enjoyed Javadocs, they were nice
14:59 🔗 GLaDOS Hah, people born in '92
14:59 🔗 * joepie91 born in 91
14:59 🔗 Smiley are just discovering what its like to be old?>
14:59 🔗 * GLaDOS born in 97
14:59 🔗 GLaDOS Sup?
14:59 🔗 * ersi squints with eyes towards the door
15:00 🔗 Smiley ¬_¬
15:00 🔗 * Smiley makes a quick get away
15:00 🔗 joepie91 hm, one thing that annoys me about the Reddit thread is this very dangerous line of reasoning that appears to be present:
15:00 🔗 * kennethre born in 88
15:01 🔗 ersi joepie91: So, how do you distinguish between all the bazillion dozens of weirdly named functions that you're looking for? Because I assume you know exactly which one you want, when you "Google that up"
15:01 🔗 joepie91 "you do not understand the python docs, so you must be new to programming, so we won't have to listen to your issues with the docs since you just have to learn"
15:01 🔗 joepie91 it's not explicitly voiced
15:01 🔗 joepie91 but strongly implied by several people
15:01 🔗 joepie91 ersi: search for what I need, read blurbs on results page
15:01 🔗 joepie91 9 out of 10 times, most common one is at the top
15:01 🔗 joepie91 and also what I needed
15:02 🔗 ersi What would you search for? A function name?
15:02 🔗 joepie91 I won't claim that this works all the time (because really, wtf function spaghetti in PHP)
15:02 🔗 joepie91 but most of the time it does, and even if it doesn't I always end up with a function that still lets me do what I want
15:02 🔗 joepie91 eh, a few-word description
15:02 🔗 joepie91 "split string" -> explode
15:02 🔗 joepie91 "array length" -> count
15:02 🔗 joepie91 "php ssh2 connect" -> ssh2_connect
15:03 🔗 joepie91 "PDO parameterized queries" -> page on prepared statements and parameterization in PDO
15:03 🔗 joepie91 pretty much always first result
15:04 🔗 kennethre joepie91: yeah that's python's GET OFF MY LAWN mentality
15:04 🔗 kennethre it's a problem
15:04 🔗 kennethre i do my best to counter it
15:04 🔗 ersi Hmm, I do have a few instances of things I've looked for that I havn't been able to search for - because I didn't know the name
15:04 🔗 joepie91 kennethre: all this said, the requests docs are *significantly* better than the stdlib docs
15:05 🔗 joepie91 ersi: in PHP?
15:05 🔗 ersi like list expansion function(*my_args)
15:05 🔗 ersi no, in python
15:05 🔗 joepie91 ah
15:05 🔗 kennethre joepie91: thanks :)
15:06 🔗 ersi There's a few concepts/classes/methods that could use some 'SEO' for sure. I know it's the Python docs, but maybe bang in a term some other language uses so that you can map 'em together regardless
15:06 🔗 joepie91 anyway, requests docs have examples, have brief descriptions (instead of half books)
15:06 🔗 * ersi nods
15:06 🔗 joepie91 ersi: I actually find myself using php2python quite frequently
15:06 🔗 joepie91 search for php equivalent (because that's googleable)
15:06 🔗 ersi I find that I seldom have to use the Python docs, though. Even as a beginner
15:07 🔗 joepie91 then run it throug php2python
15:07 🔗 joepie91 http://www.php2python.com/
15:07 🔗 joepie91 for example, http://www.php2python.com/wiki/function.explode/
15:07 🔗 kennethre the requests docs is lacking in many areas too, unfortunately
15:07 🔗 ersi Maybe it's because I can talk the talk, i dunno. Or maybe Python just rhymes well with my understanding of things
15:08 🔗 joepie91 ersi: I have to refer to them quite frequently - that's the case for every language for me - primarily because I don't remember most things
15:08 🔗 joepie91 a quick reference guide is absolutely vital for me
15:08 🔗 ersi if I'm using a new module, I havn't used before or it's more of an advance topic in it self, I go to the docs
15:08 🔗 joepie91 my mind is occupied with a mental model of my code and how it works
15:08 🔗 joepie91 no place to remember a standard lib
15:08 🔗 joepie91 space *
15:08 🔗 ersi Let's not talk about models in heads for 30 min again :)
15:08 🔗 joepie91 lol
15:09 🔗 joepie91 passing remark :P
15:09 🔗 ersi :-D
15:09 🔗 ersi What I find the most annoying, is that I feel it's hard to contribute to Pythons documentation - I don't even know where to voice myself
15:10 🔗 joepie91 ... you can contribute?
15:10 🔗 ersi of course you can
15:10 🔗 ersi I dunno how or where though
15:11 🔗 joepie91 lol
15:11 🔗 ersi ah: http://docs.python.org/devguide/docquality.html
15:12 🔗 ersi A lot better prose in the devguide than in the docs :-)
15:50 🔗 joepie91 ersi: that's mildly worrying, haha
15:52 🔗 joepie91 - buffalo.cryto.net: Lost connection to nexus.cryto.net[::ffff:xxx]: SSL_connect(): Success
15:52 🔗 joepie91 ..
15:59 🔗 norbert79 Question: What is the best tool in Linux for opening WARC?
15:59 🔗 norbert79 can't find archivefs
15:59 🔗 norbert79 :(
16:02 🔗 Smiley warc-proxy or something simular
16:02 🔗 Smiley let me see if I can find it for you
16:02 🔗 Smiley https://github.com/alard/warc-proxy
16:03 🔗 norbert79 Cheers... I find it pity archivefs disappearing from github :(
16:04 🔗 Schbirid archive archivefs!
16:04 🔗 Smiley archive ALL THE THINGS.
16:05 🔗 norbert79 haha
16:05 🔗 norbert79 right
16:12 🔗 norbert79 Hmm, warc-proxy fails
16:13 🔗 norbert79 it complains about python issues
16:13 🔗 norbert79 Yes, i have the necessary python addons installed
16:16 🔗 norbert79 Ok, never mind, I managed it using the FF plugin
17:54 🔗 ersi norbert79: What were the errors? Might be worth noting for the future
18:37 🔗 godane http://www.youtube.com/user/peppardb
18:37 🔗 godane tons of network commercial breaks
18:37 🔗 godane and network promos for movies
18:42 🔗 chronomex I propose we rename 'archive.org' to 'savecloud'
18:45 🔗 godane i think thats what i'm doing
18:45 🔗 godane i found another video game show
18:45 🔗 godane Video Power
19:00 🔗 joepie91 chronomex ~CLOUD~ ALL THE THINGS!
19:01 🔗 chronomex cloudwashing!
19:09 🔗 ersi Cloudclouding
19:09 🔗 ersi Cloud watching
19:09 🔗 Schbirid clatching
19:24 🔗 omf_ godane, have you seen anywhere the first annual spike tv video game awards show
19:24 🔗 omf_ I always thought that event was important since it propelled video games into the mainstream award circuit
19:25 🔗 godane i don't have the first one
19:25 🔗 godane will look around
19:26 🔗 omf_ but you do have some of them?
19:26 🔗 godane i have 2008 and 2009 i think
19:26 🔗 godane and 2010
19:27 🔗 omf_ awesome, are they uploaded?
19:27 🔗 omf_ Also I almost got http://www.g4tv.com/techtvvault/ mapped out and then I will download all the things
19:27 🔗 omf_ is there an existing collection I should add it to?
19:28 🔗 godane i have not uploaded them yet
19:30 🔗 godane omf_: do you have a index of your map of techtvvault
19:31 🔗 omf_ It is still running. I am doing it slow so they do not notice
19:31 🔗 omf_ but I got around the javascript thing via an embedded browser
19:34 🔗 godane how did you get around it?
19:35 🔗 godane i'm hoping to get around it with wget
19:35 🔗 godane anyways gameproTV 1996 series is being uploaded
19:35 🔗 omf_ wget does not have the facilities to do it
19:36 🔗 omf_ it cannot process, run javascript and then access the DOM
19:36 🔗 omf_ just like it cannot properly fetch embedded css images
19:36 🔗 omf_ or web fonts
19:38 🔗 omf_ or ajax push/pull if needed
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