[00:53] anyone here run tor on ec2 instances for scraping? [00:53] I am reading an "expert" blog on big data and scraping and I am not impressed [01:02] tor and scraping ? [01:02] what are you doing ? [01:05] I am just reading an article [01:06] examples this would be useful for are the usual suspects: google, yahoo, facebook, etc.. [01:17] Trying to stay below the radar before the captchas show up [02:18] so i found 23 more episodes of slicon spin [02:19] So I've been thinking about setting archivingyoursh.it's mail up with a provider. [02:19] Don't know who though [02:20] Any ideas, guys? [08:00] i have past 22k videos in my g4video-web collection [08:01] MacGruber Trailer: https://archive.org/details/g4tv.com-video43813 [08:01] Mass Effect 2 Extended Interview: Combat & Gear: https://archive.org/details/g4tv.com-video43809 [08:03] Just downloaded and watched that [08:03] I need to see that movie [08:04] it was very bad [08:11] I had heard [08:11] sometimes I like to watch a really bad movie for the lolz [08:11] mst3000 [08:47] omf_: Well not on EC2, but scraping with Tor I know. Though for the big players it probably won't be very effective, because other people use Tor as well to access those. (Google often gives a captcha if you come through tor) [08:48] poop [08:48] I found the article interesting but all the content on that site is just fluff to sell their services [08:48] http://blog.databigbang.com/ is the site I am referring to [08:51] I always find it laughable when "scraping experts" use Tor and don't have a clue how to use it properly, so they just set up mutliple tor instances or similar [08:52] I know, 90% of the code in that article is boilerplate [08:53] and he was trying to promote his site on HN [08:53] it didn't get anywhere. [08:55] Weird. I've seen the most simple of scraping tutorials rise high on HN. Heck, anything with code that is easy to understand rises high on HN, because it is the only code those startup half-coders understand [08:57] That python scraper one that came up recently was so pathetic [08:57] HN never has really hardcore code [08:59] I never bother to submit anything to HN [09:00] HN is great for a lot of stuff, but it's not a programming discussion site. [09:00] Yes. You hit it right on the head [09:18] Know of any quote database software that ISN'T dodgy? [09:18] There is never enough epeen [09:19] For storing quotes [09:19] Yeah [09:19] Like bash.org [09:21] :) [09:21] How's it goin anyway GLaDOS ? [09:21] Pretty good. [09:21] not seen you on for a few days, or maybe thats been me? [09:21] Just you. [09:21] :D [09:22] Rewrote some of the backend of http://GLaDOS.me/ [09:22] well yeah work was hectic and then it's bank holiday weekend so i've been gettinkg drunk :D [09:22] That's fun! [09:22] ..not that I would know what it's like, BUT STILL [09:22] Oh it's fun [09:23] I got to thank my brother when he returns [09:23] got me some beautiful vodka [09:23] Vodka <3 [09:23] I mean what [09:23] I got a couple oatmeal stouts to try this weekend [09:23] fuck where did saturday go already [09:23] http://www.globalpackagegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=110704&g2_serialNumber=2 [09:24] This ^^ is _so_ smooth [09:24] I was like.... this "IS" alcoholic right? [09:24] Fancy. [09:25] You ever tried Voxx? It is smooth [09:26] Gah, need to add logic to detect when lastfm doesn't return an album. [09:26] Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay. [09:28] check out this circle jerk - http://www.deepwebresearch.com/ [09:28] A 50 page pdf of fucking links [09:31] lol [09:32] ¯\(ºдಠ)/¯ [09:32] the little known and used retard emoticon [09:33] ¯\(°_o)/¯ [09:33] yeah it has never caught on [09:35] lol [09:35] omf_: no i haven't [09:36] And another joyent instance stuck in the provisioning state for hours [09:36] I wonder if they bill for those [09:37] probably [09:37] why don't they have a way to view the current bill [09:37] or do they and my account is borked [09:37] No they have no way to view the current bill [09:38] Big disadvantage in my opinion [09:39] Added a note to the wiki about that [09:40] Lets see how this one looks [09:40] (☞ ಥ益ಥ）☞ ︻╦̵̵͇̿̿̿̿╤── [09:40] I should try digitalocean next [09:41] Everyone see the gun on that one [09:41] Yeah [09:41] soultcer, digitalocean is my next butt provider to try as well. [09:42] I don't care for their SSD though, I rather get more space/more cpu/cheaper servers [09:42] (ﾉಠ益ಠ)ﾉ ＝＝＝┻━┻ [09:42] Hey guys, what's going on? [09:42] ＝＝＝＝┻━┻))⊙Дﾟ)･∵ [09:42] kspacey (~GLaDOS [09:43] ..dangit [09:48] Joyent is pretty soft on the hard drive space by default [09:48] DO at least has more space by default per plan [09:50] ￣ω￣ [09:51] ヽ( ｡ ヮﾟ)ノ [09:51] ヽ(ﾟヮ ｡ )ノ [09:51] ヽ(°∇。)ノ [09:51] (･_･三･_･) [09:51] twin ATTACK! [09:52] ε＝ε＝ε＝ヽ( ｡ дﾟ)ノ [09:52] ヘ(^_^ヘ)(ノ^_^)ノ [09:52] ( 　ﾟ,_ゝ,ﾟ) [09:52] (ﾉ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ﾉ彡 ┻━┻ [09:53] ヽ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ノ [09:53] ۞_۟۞ [09:53] ( ͡◉ ͜ʖ ͡◉) [09:53] \/^==^\ [09:53] I had to escape that shit [09:53] /^==^\ [09:54] Would be spewwin' if I were you. [09:54] (ノ ｡ ヮﾟ)ノ彡┻━┻ [09:54] ʕノ•ᴥ•ʔノ ︵ ┻━┻ [09:54] (/ .□.)\ ︵╰(゜Д゜)╯︵ /(.□. \) [09:55] ¿ǝɯ dılɟ noʎ plnoʍ ʎɥM [09:56] ʎǝʃıɯS ︵╰(゜Д゜)╯︵ SO◖ɐ⅂⅁ [09:56] ¡uuɟ sı ʇı ǝsuɐɔǝ၁2 [09:56] ¡ǝɔıloԀ [09:57] ............._@@@__ .... ___//___?____\________ ..../--o-----CARE-POLICE----@} .....`==={@}=====+===={@}--' [09:57] dammit [09:58] .... ___//___?____\________ [09:58] ............._@@@__ [09:58] .....`==={@}=====+===={@}--' [09:58] ..../--o-----CARE-POLICE----@} [09:58] there we go [09:58] Jokes on you! [09:58] They don't exist. [09:59] http://glados.me/ This song <3 [10:04] GLaDOS, what time zone are you in? [10:04] GMT +8 [10:05] ahh exactly 12 hours difference from where I am [10:05] Whee [10:05] Wait, wrong channel [10:05] o_O [10:06] ʎǝʃıɯS du ʇɐɥʍ [10:06] O‾o [10:07] your u is upside down. [10:07] you want n [10:08] ˙ʎʃʇɔǝɹɹoɔ pǝɹoɹɹıɯ sı ʇI ˙ǝɯ ɹoɟ sıɥʇ sǝop ɯɐɹƃoɹd ∀ [10:09] ˙ǝuıɯ ɓuıop ʞɹoʍʇǝu ɹǝɥʇouɐ uo ʇoq ɐ ǝʌɐɥ I 'ʇɟɟԀ [10:09] ˙ǝʌǝılǝq I 'ʇǝsɟɟo ɹǝʇɔɐɹɐɥɔ ɐ sǝop ʇI [10:10] ~=[,,_,,]:3 [10:11] Nyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan [10:11] * Smiley looks at omf_ [10:11] Item Formspring: Step 3 of 8 - Downloaded 63570 URLs, found 38230 usernames [10:11] This is gonna take awhile [10:11] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [10:16] ˙ǝɔıʃod ǝɥʇ ʞɔuℲ [10:52] what the bloody hell is in my scrollback [10:53] (╯'□')╯︵ xɐWǝuʃ၁2 [10:59] I really need to stop doing work on my servers here [10:59] omf_: can you op plz [10:59] or someone add me to the auto op lists GLaDOS ;)) [12:17] If anyone needs another reason to dislike ASP.NET here it is. https://metacpan.org/module/HTML::TreeBuilderX::ASP_NET had to be written to handle the jackassery of __VIEWSTATE and the like via javascript [12:33] "229 packages can be updated." [12:33] Ugh. [12:42] GLaDOS: gentoo ? [12:45] bless you [12:46] ubuntu [12:47] server [13:04] All quote databases HAVE to be dodgy. [13:25] fortunes firefly [14:43] From Twitter: Today in '93: Carl Malamud broadcasts the 1st episode of the first internet radio show, “Geek of the Week” #NYC1993 [16:18] https://formspring.wordpress.com/2013/03/15/formspring-is-shutting-down/comment-page-10/#comment-1098 [16:18] people are stupid [16:18] wow [16:19] I would slap that person across the face [16:19] and the one 2 comments later [16:23] dashcloud, I didn't know Carl did that as well. Even more props to the man. [16:44] Anyone know what might cause screen to have really high CPU usage? [16:45] software that write too much data to stdout and your screen have a big buffer ? [16:46] I guess, but I havn't changed the buffer size. [16:51] I think I was trying to do to much on the box and it just went to crap overall. It didn't even restart cleanly with shutdown -r now [16:52] ubuntu ? [16:53] xubuntu [16:54] What made you guess that? [16:55] bogus system limit [16:55] you are probably under a account that can do Real Time [16:55] so an application can take down the whole system [16:56] Well, the load average was 21 when I was trying to shit down, so I don't really blame ubuntu [16:57] i blame ubuntu [16:57] with the proper kernel & system limit [16:57] a linux box can still be reactive with load > 100 [16:57] tested on a vserver host [16:57] :) [17:14] http://www.worldbackupday.com/ [17:15] joepie91: no, FUCK them. http://blog.backupify.com/2013/03/26/saint-backup-day-a-community-holiday-that-falls-the-day-after-reddits-holiday-that-i-cannot-mention-due-to-trademark/ [17:15] wtf the post is down [17:15] 404 [17:15] You 404â??d it. Gnarly, dude. [17:16] http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Ablog.backupify.com%2F2013%2F03%2F26%2Fsaint-backup-day-a-community-holiday-that-falls-the-day-after-reddits-holiday-that-i-cannot-mention-due-to-trademark%2F&oq=cache%3Ablog.backupify.com%2F2013%2F03%2F26%2Fsaint-backup-day-a-community-holiday-that-falls-the-day-after-reddits-holiday-that-i-cannot-mention-due-to-trademark%2F&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 [17:18] We request that you take down any unauthorized reference to World Backup Day, it’s trademarks, and/or intellectual property and immediately refrain from claiming an association, a partnership or any other type of endorsement from World Backup Day. [17:18] lol [17:18] trademarks madness [17:18] Schbirid: well, that's pretty fucked [17:18] it's pretty fucking disgusting [17:35] Debian is a huge pile of shit. It is not designed to have gtk2 & gtk3 installed on the latest stable release. [17:35] gtk3 is not even stable on there [17:35] damn butt providers need to use newer shit [17:39] debian and newest in the same breath? what sort of alternate universe do you live in [17:40] a moon provider running Sid would be awfully strange, but you can get pretty new stuff if you're willing to run Sid [17:41] I black out how bad debian is after I finish using it so I never remember how fucking old and crusty it is [17:49] no major release in 3 years, what are they microsoft? [17:49] RHEL/Centos is slow as hell too but does not have this kind of problem. [18:00] but you're probably using EPEL - if you were using CentOS 5 near EOL, you were probably pulling your hair out then as well [18:10] i still am :< [18:10] da,mn work [18:11] I understand where Debian and RHEL are coming from [18:11] they target the people who do not need the newest of the new [18:11] As a developer I always want the newest of the new to work with [18:12] because by the time it gets into production it is not new anymore [18:13] This is where ubuntu comes in and eats debian's food. It is the shit just newet [18:13] I mean it is the same shit, just much newer versions [18:25] hehe [18:26] but why not offer it under the guise of "it maybe broken". [18:31] try experimental [18:32] unstable + experimental is fun [18:34] nico_32, that requires more work. If I just start with an up to date distro I have no work to do. [18:34] I'm guessing you've tried Fedora Rawhide before? [18:34] Nope. I stopped using red hat when they released the first fedora and changed everything around [18:39] omf_: fedora core was s*** [18:39] fedora 10 was good [18:39] 12 acceptable [18:40] they do have the best code names though [18:40] 18 full of bug [18:40] Codename: SphericalCow [18:40] Beefy Miracle [18:41] * nico_32 wait for 19 [20:29] * joepie91 sees fedora [20:29] urgh [20:29] I am currently on fedora 16 [20:29] joepie91, what kernel version is that? [20:29] probably older than the sun [20:30] 3.6.11-1.fc16.x86_64 [20:30] that is not very old [20:30] regardless, Fedora 16 is EOL now [20:30] when did fc 16 get released? [20:30] since like a month or so [20:30] so I am going to rm it and switch to opensuse again [20:30] when I have my desktop machine withoin reach [20:30] within * [20:30] unsure [20:30] joepie91, I welcome you with open arms to the opensuse crowd [20:30] * joepie91 really hates fedora [20:30] I got 12.2 right now [20:30] omf_: I'm actually a long time suse user [20:30] as in, since 9.1 [20:31] this laptop came with fedora [20:31] I started on 10.2 [20:31] (it was a gift) [20:31] and I simply haven't had the chance to replace it [20:31] :( [20:31] I <3 suse [20:31] shit just works etc [20:31] It is stable and really up to date [20:32] one of the things I like most about suse is probably their package search on software.opensuse.org [20:32] oh yeah they got everyone beat [20:32] if I need like the newest just-came-out version of something for whatever reason, and it's not in the main repo [20:32] it's pretty much guaranteed that *someone* has it in their build service repo [20:32] as a working package [20:32] or in factory [20:32] so I don't have to fuck around with compiling etc :D [20:32] well yes, but build service repos typically have much more and newer stuff [20:33] the only application I compile is Blender to make sure all the correct features are turned on [20:33] factory still has a limited set of software on offer [20:33] hell [20:33] sometimes I actually use the opensuse package search [20:33] to find fedora packages [20:33] because there's no other repos carrying them [20:33] which is insane in itself, haha [20:33] The OBS cross build is pretty awesome when you need it [20:34] indeed [20:34] I have been using suse studio for years as well [20:34] building netboot images, jeos and EC2 instances [20:34] idk, I just really like stuff that "just works" without any fucking around... I prefer using my machine as a reliable tool, rather than something to hack around on :P [20:34] heh [20:34] I've started messing with it once [20:34] never finished due to lack of attention span [20:34] but it's quite nice [20:35] Debian has live but they killed their build thing that was like it [20:36] Since '95 I have used Debian, Slackware, RedHat (before RHEL), gentoo, opensuse and RHEL/Centos [20:36] never used Mint, or Arch [20:37] opensuse always has the newest PHP, Perl, Python, Ruby and GCC. That alone keeps me here [20:37] gentoo? [20:37] I loved gentoo [20:37] what did you think btw? [20:37] But compile times are a bitch in teh enterprise? [20:38] Compile times are a bitch at home, in the enterprise I just used distcc [20:38] I setup a 300 node cluster with gentoo [20:38] rebuilds took no fucking time [20:38] then again it did not have to build anything big like X, firefox or Libreoffice [20:38] :D [20:39] yeah [20:39] thats my point to the haters [20:39] and even if you did, you have a build host, [20:39] and then binpkg for everything. [20:40] yeah building and syncing with more than 1 compiling machine makes things zippy fast [20:40] haters can kiss off [20:41] :) [20:41] * joepie91 was briefly distracted [20:42] i have my own gentoo router, gentoo server, gentoo desktop.... [20:42] gentoo xbmc now [20:42] :D [20:42] omf_: I also quite like the up-to-date-ness of suse [20:42] :P [20:42] and more importantly [20:42] it doesn't break when you update it [20:42] ..... [20:42] yeah that is the gold right there [20:42] yeah about that [20:42] i watched my "collgue" update suse [20:42] it typically * [20:42] he rebooted [20:42] it couldn't find dev-root anymore [20:42] Besides gentoo I think opensuse is one of the most up to date distros just like Fedora [20:43] I giggled quitely to myself [20:43] Smiley: guess: grub broke? [20:43] joepie91: i don't know exactly, he likes to think he knows 'IT' but meh [20:43] it sounds like a grub issue [20:43] he is terrible at debugging anytyhing, even in his field. (telecoms0 [20:43] I've made a habit of ignoring the distro used whenever a grub issue appears [20:43] because it's usually grub itself that's fucking it up somehow [20:44] but hey, I may be wrong :P [20:44] anyway, I don't dispute that opensuse *may* break on update like everything else [20:44] but at least it's not like ubuntu [20:44] where every time a new version of something comes out [20:44] you see people complaining all over the place about how they can't boot anymore [20:44] or how their desktop environment suddenly vanished [20:44] etc [20:44] or how their hardware is not recognized anymore all of a sudden [20:44] joepie91: oh god ubuntu [20:44] he installed that too [20:45] couldn't figure out how to get both monitors working [20:45] * Smiley just facedesks [20:45] And then he's laughing because I updated X and broke it because my nvidia drivers hadn't built against the new kernel [20:45] I have been able to command line upgrade from 10.2 to 12.2 with no breaks [20:45] yet, I could go into the console, and fix it all up myself easily, because I had built the whole thing. [20:45] I have never gotten an ubuntu version bump to work without extra fucking around [20:45] Most of it comes down to planning [20:46] (✿◠‿◠) [20:46] damn that was supposed to be PINK [20:47] oh well [20:47] you suck [20:47] cant even irc [20:47] lol o filter colours :P [20:48] (╯°□°)╯︵ pıɹıqɥɔS [20:48] Smiley: actually video drivers are a really strong point for suse [20:48] for amd and nvidia I mean [20:48] both have a 1-click-install thing that installs the proprietary drivers and keeps them up to date [20:48] yah, he said it just worked in that reguard. [20:48] without any further fuss [20:48] regard....* [20:48] or any vendor-specific instsallers [20:49] installers * [20:49] Novell when they ran it worked with Intel and AMD to make that happen [20:49] not surprised [20:49] nvidia doesn't work with anyone [20:49] :P [20:49] Linus said as much [20:49] also, I'm kind of excited about the Steam for Linux thing [20:49] yeah I remember watching that talk live online and when he said that I knew people were going to love it [20:50] I can report that the Steam for Linux client boots faster on my machine than it does on Windows [20:50] (I didn't time it, but it certainly feels that way) [20:50] Ever notice how MS never talks about the advances to memory management or swapping [20:50] well it's up and running on gentoo [20:50] I needto debug mine. [20:51] I do wish that Valve made it easier to run it in a user account [20:51] and the Linux devs have article after article on how they make it better [20:51] I had to extract the deb and fiddle with a bunch of crap to make that happen [20:51] yipdw: get a getter distro. [20:51] :< [20:51] Smiley: the official distribution is as a Debian package [20:51] also, I've burned out on OS changes [20:51] yipdw: there's a guide on the steam forums on how to make a RPM out of it [20:51] with Alien [20:51] as in [20:52] yipdw: hmmm [20:52] a working RPM [20:52] not a half broken one :P [20:52] on gentoo I did layman -a games [20:52] yes [20:52] emerge -av steam [20:52] :D [20:52] I know there are ports [20:52] but that's not really the point [20:52] hmmmm [20:52] the point is that Valve distributes a Debian package, I grabbed that and I just fiddled with some stuff [20:52] I wish the release by steam was either a binary or sources [20:52] and it would be nice if I didn't have to fiddle with it, but that's not fatal [20:52] yipdw: nod. [20:52] my point is within hours it was already in repo for gentoo. [20:53] sure [20:53] yeah making ebuilds is a snap [20:53] I'd expect that, the Gentoo repos update crazy fast :P [20:54] thats because its simple to add. [20:54] and then you compile for 5 hours until the other distros caught up :P [20:54] Schbirid: it's abinary [20:54] there was nothing to compile :P [20:54] :_P [20:54] but about the games -- I'm surprised at how well (most) of them work [20:55] I mean, I shouldn't be [20:55] there are occasional anomalies, like Beat Hazard, which has some weird scorekeeping and scaling bugs [20:55] heh [20:55] most of them are broken for me [20:56] I need to fiddle more in that regard, but I think thats just a driver issue and the fact I never really play games [20:56] Look at the AAA games on Linux before steam. Quake 1-4, Doom 1-3, Quake Wars:ET, Return to Castle Wolfenstien, one of the Unreals, etc... [20:56] not many but they all run cleanly [20:57] sure [20:57] Myth 1-3 [20:57] I guess I was referring more to games that were based on not-so-well-known engines though [20:57] lots of the indies for example [20:57] oh [20:57] ug [20:57] uh * [20:57] by the way [20:58] afaik the following engines are currently functional on Linux or a port exists: [20:58] Unreal Engine, Unity Engine, Game Maker, ... [20:58] and if http://news.softpedia.com/news/Strike-Suite-Zero-Could-Arrive-Soon-on-Steam-for-Linux-324219.shtml is true then I will be booting into Windows far less often [20:58] :P [20:58] lol [20:58] that's kind of already a few of the most used engines [20:58] (game maker linux exports were announced like a week ago) [20:58] don't forget Id Tech 1-4 [20:58] well, there's many games that just contain their own engine code [20:59] also Build and Lithtech 1-2 [20:59] also, I find it interesting how game publishers now seem to be stumbling over each other to publish for linux [20:59] like, go to a random game publishers site [20:59] Just look at windows 8 [20:59] and there's a reasonable chance of seeing 'linux' somewhere on the front page [20:59] the shit hoops to get on their app store [20:59] in the news section [20:59] i don't see why your supprised. [21:00] it's like f2p [21:00] No one bothered for so long, then Zynga showed it can make some serious money [21:00] suddenly ALL THE GAMES! [21:01] The PS4 is going to use Clang/LLVM and mostly open libraries [21:01] orly? [21:01] Smiley: actually f2p would be a bad example [21:01] yes [21:01] sony learnt their lesson then. [21:01] let me grab that announcement for you [21:01] omf_: will there be a way for anyone to publish software for it? [21:01] there's a fair amount of companies that has been fucking with this for a while [21:01] joepie91: ...oh? [21:01] and at some point EA followed suit [21:01] (a la Apple iOS App Store) [21:01] after that it started exploding [21:01] joepie91: but the exploison is clear to see. [21:01] that was before Zynga afaik [21:01] hmmm nah [21:01] farmville [21:01] https://twitter.com/princeofcode/status/316981703589638144 [21:02] That's when it exploded in the view of "normal" people [21:02] http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1b51px/ps4_development_kit_to_use_llvmclang_with_c11/ [21:02] I think it started when vista tanked [21:02] MS looked really bad and game devs were still developing for XP [21:03] many jumped over it to 7 [21:03] May 2009, Battleforge (EA), and a few other EA games around or before that date I believe [21:03] June 2009, Farmville [21:03] wtf is battleforge? [21:03] omf_: wow, that's quite a difference [21:03] (the f2p I mean) [21:04] i've never heard of it, and I'm a big gamer [21:04] from prior Playstations, anyway [21:04] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battleforge [21:04] there are afaik a few EA f2p games that were released before that [21:04] but I can't recall them from memory [21:04] Also nintendo has made developing for DSi and Wiiu cheap and easy [21:05] the new pricing scheme gives the developer full power which you cannot get on xbox, ps network or IOs [21:05] can you actually get a Nintendo development kit without having a prior relationship with them? [21:05] I know at least with the Wii that was not the case [21:05] that is another killer right there. The patch fee you paid MS for xbox game updates [21:05] now yes [21:05] Battlefield Heroes, June 2009 [21:05] joepie91: and in the view of the general public, the big one was farmville. [21:05] oh interesting [21:05] and it only costs what a high end desktop would cost [21:05] Smiley: that's irrelevant [21:05] oh I heard of that, never actually seen it tho. [21:05] the discussion was business [21:05] not general public [21:05] :p [21:05] joepie91: no, thats my entire point [21:06] it's like f2p [21:06] No one bothered for so long, then Zynga showed it can make some serious money [21:06] suddenly ALL THE GAMES! [21:06] it exploded into mainstream view with Zynga [21:06] Linux is a threat to everyone now so they want their products on it [21:06] number before farmville = 6ish [21:06] Number after farmville, OVER 9000 [21:06] Smiley: 6ish? not even *close* [21:06] You forgot big ones like Runescape :D [21:06] Gunbound. [21:06] I dunno if it's really a threat, I think Valve just helped make it fashionable [21:06] and software is one of the most fashion-frenzy industries ever [21:06] I'm not counting runescape because it uses a different model [21:07] no micro-transactions [21:07] (which is pretty unique in itself in the f2p world) [21:07] Isn't there? [21:07] moreso than fashion, because at least fashion designers have some independent thought [21:07] Oh ok. then ignore runescape. [21:07] Smiley: they've made a poor attempt at some pseudo-gambling game with micro-transactions, but it wasn't very well-received [21:07] and I expect it to be removed soon [21:07] they still primarily operate off the membership model [21:07] ah :D [21:07] as they should :P [21:07] oh [21:07] speaking of which [21:07] this is not very widely publicized yet afaik [21:08] I got a crazy fun fact about PC gaming [21:08] but Runescape is going to be HTML5 + WebGL soon [21:08] i already heard that XD [21:08] with Java only as a fallback [21:08] apparently this summer [21:08] and the adverts the run here :/ [21:08] eewww those adverts. [21:08] Did you know that you can switch out the opengl.dll in Final Fantasy 7 PC edition with the mesa library and it ran on wine as soon as they released it [21:08] D: :D [21:08] shows how closely they match I guess [21:08] API wise? [21:09] It was possible because the game had both hardware and software opengl [21:09] it wasn't totally locked into DirectX [21:09] A\ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ N [21:09] You can build mesa and run it on windows still [21:09] Smiley: wtf [21:09] 75 2.1B9N58* [21:10] °˖✧◝(⁰▿⁰)◜✧˖° [21:10] (\__/) [21:10] (•ㅅ•) [21:10] a rabbit [21:11] The question now is what needs to be improved to have better gaming on linux [21:11] and it is probably pulse [21:12] not pulse [21:12] 3d drivers [21:12] the graphic stack is still broken [21:12] god pulse [21:13] definitely pulse [21:13] unstable piece of **** [21:13] we need to get rid of OSS completely [21:13] and only have pulse w/ alsa mode [21:13] jack for the high end audio workstations [21:13] joepie91: ubuntu provide a buggy version of pulse [21:14] esound needs to die [21:14] esound is dead [21:14] since gnome 3.0 [21:14] wtf is esound o_O [21:14] jackd, I need to play with jack more... [21:14] The Enlightenment sound daemon [21:14] the old software mixer used by gnome [21:15] since dmix still is buggy [21:15] gstreamer makes me angry. It makes sense but you have so fucking more setup work to do. They should have made a simple interface for most applications to use [21:16] phonon ? [21:16] nico_32: actually, pulseaudio itself is terrible [21:16] phonon is a wrapper over gstreamer [21:16] regardless of distro [21:16] I have no idea why, but it's terrible [21:16] random crackling [21:16] distortion [21:16] certain applications suddenly not playing any sound anymore [21:16] wtf [21:16] never seen this [21:16] joepie91, I found if you fiddle with preamp it goes away on good cards [21:17] I've encountered or heard of people encountering it on many distros [21:17] the pulse I got now fixed the random audio breaks [21:17] omf_: >on good cards [21:17] it is smoother than esound ever was now [21:17] it shouldn't happen anywhere >.> [21:17] I agree [21:17] ALSA didn't give these problems either [21:17] so clearly the cards are capable of working in a stable manner [21:17] ALSA couldn't play 2 sounds at once [21:17] that is why the guy built pulse [21:18] Alsa replaced OSS because of licensing issues [21:18] So for a long time it was alsa + esound [21:18] then pulse fixed the multiple audio events at once but most applications were written like shit using the audio apis [21:19] <- oss fan [21:19] though pulse seems nice [21:19] so easy to route output to an input with it [21:19] Pulse as of 2012 just started to get acceptable, also cause many of the shit apps got updated [21:20] Like amarok, mplayer, vlc [21:20] mplayer and vlc have excellent jack support as well [21:21] Any time you change a subsystem out the applications have to change as well [21:21] look at all the systemd garbage [21:21] I still haven't figured out how it is supposed to be *better* [21:22] i didnt either, then i started using it [21:22] binary logs are still meh though [21:22] fuck binary logs, text or DIE [21:22] calm down [21:22] щ(ºДºщ) [21:23] archiveteam should counter-april-fools youtube [21:24] If I could be anywhere in the world right now -> http://500px.com/photo/27739323 [21:41] Sue: what april fool ? [22:02] Day changed to 01 Apr 2013 [22:02] time to create some april fool [22:29] nico_32: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=H542nLTTbu0 [22:30] the best part is at :49 [22:39] ha ha ha