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01:50
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dashcloud |
finally a way Yahoo's urge to acquire and destroy could be put to good use: https://twitter.com/waxpancake/status/332672834700718080 |
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03:30
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brayden |
Damnit efnet. First connection attempt on v4 returned "Banned", even though I had been dropped for ages since smoe server went down again. |
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03:30
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brayden |
Can't use their hostname because it drops me onto some crappy south african server always which I lose connection to :( |
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05:31
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DFJustin |
damn some crazy shit being scanned into the archive, here's a list of words in native american languages...from 1516, in latin https://archive.org/stream/ioannesruffusfor00angh#page/n135/mode/2up |
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05:31
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DFJustin |
scanned this march |
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05:34
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SketchCow |
Yeah, seriously - there's just so much stuff going in. People don't understand. |
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05:35
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DFJustin |
looks like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ta%C3%ADno_language which is now extinct |
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05:36
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godane1 |
SketchCow: I got the mega pack from defcad.org |
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05:36
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godane1 |
its everything but the new gun |
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05:42
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SketchCow |
Upload it and tell me the item name. |
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05:43
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SketchCow |
We'll set it dark and I'll talk internally about what to do |
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05:46
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godane1 |
i'm uploading it now |
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05:47
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godane1 |
item is named DefDist_DEFCAD_MEGA_PACK_v4.2_Saito |
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05:55
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SketchCow |
Thank you. |
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05:55
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godane1 |
looks like linuxdevices.com is gone: http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/13/05/09/2243250/linuxdevicescom-vanishes-from-the-web?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed |
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06:00
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godane1 |
did anyone grab it? |
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06:00
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godane1 |
cause it was bought by ziff davis a year ago |
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06:19
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godane1 |
uploaded: https://archive.org/details/DefDist_DEFCAD_MEGA_PACK_v4.2_Saito |
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06:56
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SketchCow |
Thanks, godane. Rendered and darked for now. |
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07:46
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omf_ |
Oh yeah nice grab godane |
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07:46
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omf_ |
MEGA!!! |
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08:22
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godane1 |
i have pasted 40k videos in g4video-web |
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08:24
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godane1 |
also with linuxdevices.com being gone and very broken and in wayback machine |
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08:24
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godane1 |
i would like people to look for tech sites that are not fully in wayback machine |
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09:49
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godane1 |
i'm mirroring arcadeathome.com forums |
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09:58
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godane1 |
i had to put a wait 2 in so it will not block me |
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09:58
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godane1 |
they try to keep the forum views down it looks like |
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16:16
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godane1 |
this is fucking awesome |
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16:16
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godane1 |
building a pc with wil wheaton |
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16:17
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godane1 |
its 40:40 long too |
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16:18
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godane1 |
so its not all about building a pc |
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16:19
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godane1 |
it was about buying parts to build a pc but the instend of it being a clip its the full episode |
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16:19
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godane1 |
but still we have the episode with will wheaton hosting call for help |
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18:47
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godane1 |
SketchCow: just got your interview on insert content here |
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18:47
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godane1 |
also the meta data in the episode said 11 instead of 13 |
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18:47
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godane1 |
must be typo |
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19:43
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SketchCow |
Good |
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20:49
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deathy |
nice, crowd-funding model for getting copyright rights of ebooks and releasing them as creative-commons ( https://unglue.it/landing/ ) |
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21:13
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antomatic |
I always wanted to do something like that myself, albeit only with obscure technical books that probably only I would find interesting. Great idea, definitely. |
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21:37
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Coderjoe |
so I guess the feds ordered the plastic gun design files be taken down |
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21:38
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omf_ |
Today I learned that I do not own the copyright to screenshots I take unless I own the content being captured as well |
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21:39
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omf_ |
So that fucks things up a little |
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21:39
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Coderjoe |
however, you may be able to make a fair use claim depending on what you are using the screenshot for |
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21:39
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omf_ |
I fucking hate US law |
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21:40
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omf_ |
This has only been true since 1999 |
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21:40
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Coderjoe |
what has, your hate? |
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21:40
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omf_ |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgeman_Art_Library_v._Corel_Corp. |
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21:40
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omf_ |
this case |
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21:43
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omf_ |
I always wondered why there aren't vast online repositories of web page screenshots |
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21:44
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omf_ |
or why some get taken down |
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21:50
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omf_ |
Coderjoe, I will be able to fair use |
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21:51
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omf_ |
If I don't own the data then how do I publish that data for others to use |
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21:51
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omf_ |
http://libguides.mit.edu/usingimages |
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21:56
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chronomex |
#archiveteam is not the right place to worry about rights |
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22:00
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omf_ |
Your right but anything goes in -bs |
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22:16
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joepie91 |
chronomex: hah |
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22:17
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omf_ |
But to be serious in terms of AT projects I back shit up and let someone else sort it out later |
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22:17
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omf_ |
For doing research on other non-archive related things I have to pay attention to copyright law, somewhat |
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22:23
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ersi |
Pffft, copyright |
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22:23
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omf_ |
I know, fuck me, right? :) |
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22:24
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DFJustin |
hmm I dunno that that has anything to do with bridgeman |
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22:25
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DFJustin |
I would assume it as obvious from the bourne convention's removal of the notice requirement + the longstanding concept of a "derivative work" |
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22:25
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omf_ |
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Screenshots |
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22:26
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omf_ |
Lawyers got involved |
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22:32
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DFJustin |
https://www.chillingeffects.org/copyright/faq.cgi#QID809 |
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22:32
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DFJustin |
nothing new |
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22:32
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omf_ |
I had never even thought about copyright on screenshots till just now |
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22:33
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DFJustin |
for software it's widely considered fair use, web sites are a little trickier since you may be including a substantial amount of the actual content |
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22:33
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DFJustin |
but in any case it's no worse than copying the websites themselves which we do on a rather massive scale |
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22:34
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omf_ |
Microsoft has some dumb rules - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/legal/intellectualproperty/Permissions/default.aspx#ERG |
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22:34
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DFJustin |
that probably has no legal force |
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22:36
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omf_ |
It seems like that answer on chillingeffects is cut off |
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22:36
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DFJustin |
yeah |
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22:37
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DFJustin |
it's at http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/101 |
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22:40
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DFJustin |
for a static web page it might be more just a partial copy than a derivative work by that definition but either way there's a potential copyright issue |
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22:41
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DFJustin |
the internet archive has been copying websites without asking permission since 1996 though so I don't think anything bad is going to happen |
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22:41
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omf_ |
Yep. In an archiving context screenshots are all good because the goal is non-commerical. Its for history. |
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22:42
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omf_ |
But if I screenshot a bunch of commerical pages for a research project, someone might be a dick about it. |
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22:42
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DFJustin |
I'll note that there's no blanket non-commercial get out of jail free card, that's just one of the required prongs of a fair use defence |
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22:46
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omf_ |
My fair use argument is this is a nonprofit research project, using the minimal amount necessary to collect data. |
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23:04
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Baljem |
omf_: yeah, it's a murky area, and it's not one-size-fits-all internationally either - in Germany, for instance, I am given to understand that they're inherently non-copyrightable anyway |
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23:04
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Baljem |
(although I did manage to score a free iPod Shuffle off a company that lifted a screenshot from one of my webpages without asking!) |
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23:05
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Baljem |
(apologies for lateness, just been skimming the backlog...) |
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23:12
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omf_ |
So if someone who lived in Germany took a bunch of screenshots and released them together as public domain how would that translate to other countries |
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23:13
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omf_ |
Copyright should be like patents. 1 term and your done |
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23:13
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omf_ |
no extensions |
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23:13
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chronomex |
copyright should require registration within a year of publication, register for 10 years starting at date of publication, one single renewal for another 10. |
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23:14
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chronomex |
problem solved. |
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23:14
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omf_ |
but chronomex that makes too much sense. What about the rights of the companies? :) |
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23:15
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chronomex |
companies are more likely to have their shit together to get registration done |
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23:18
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omf_ |
After careful consideration I am going to take the screenshots for my research and then release all of it as CC-BY on IA and fuck everyone else |
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23:20
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Baljem |
*thumbs up* |
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23:20
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joepie91 |
hah |
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23:20
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joepie91 |
I approve |
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23:21
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Baljem |
yeah, sod it, if someone gets their panties in a wad then worry about it later. |
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23:21
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joepie91 |
consider it a practical approach to developing jurisprudence :) |
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23:21
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Baljem |
publish and be damned, basically ;) |
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23:21
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joepie91 |
(if that is even the correct translation) |
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23:21
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omf_ |
Plus you have to be tripping to get legal over a single screenshot of your website |
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23:21
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joepie91 |
true |
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23:22
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joepie91 |
the question is more "can you get away with it" |
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23:22
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joepie91 |
than "is it legal" |
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23:22
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joepie91 |
also, GTK is making me confuse |
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23:24
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omf_ |
On a completely different topic. How much better would modern programming be if garbage collection happened in hardware for you |
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23:25
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omf_ |
Intel tried it a few decades back |
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23:47
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omf_ |
Douglas Crockford is pretty fucking arrogant. Why are people so hot about his work |