Time |
Nickname |
Message |
00:04
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joepie91 |
omf_: arrogance and quality of work are not mutually exclusive :) |
00:05
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omf_ |
I am watching his vaunted video series and he talks about how things grew and completely ignores entire sections of what was going on |
00:05
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|
omf_ |
Then justifies his view by saying that history proves it if you ignore the same things he ignored |
00:09
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|
omf_ |
Then again what did I expect from a series of talks about how great javascript is, reality is obviously not required |
00:11
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|
omf_ |
People always like to play off javascripts weakness because it was designed and implemented in 2 weeks. How many years of EMCA meetings and mailings lists has it taken to get JS to where it is now |
00:11
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|
omf_ |
and it still does some whack ass shit |
03:17
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|
BlueMax |
what was that. |
12:53
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|
joepie91 |
http://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/10391/the-security-trainwreck-that-is-zpanel/p1 |
12:57
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|
norbert79 |
joepie91: Again? |
12:59
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|
norbert79 |
joepie91: Ok, I don't see the details, I am not diving into it at all, as never used it, but as you describe it (and considering your skills and knowledge), this is bad |
12:59
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|
norbert79 |
terrible so to say |
12:59
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|
norbert79 |
and yes, I also hate the same attitude of "take it or leave it" |
13:02
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|
joepie91 |
far worse |
13:02
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|
joepie91 |
norbert79: it's worse than 'bad' |
13:02
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|
joepie91 |
:( |
13:02
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|
joepie91 |
I ran across the forum post that I talk about there, yesterday |
13:02
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|
joepie91 |
with bobby claiming that they weren't problems etc |
13:02
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|
joepie91 |
and I just went "you've got to be kidding me..." |
13:02
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|
joepie91 |
and decided to make a summary |
13:02
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|
joepie91 |
these guys have absolutely no fucking clue |
13:03
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|
norbert79 |
and that's not the biggest issue |
13:03
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|
norbert79 |
because nobody is perfect |
13:03
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|
norbert79 |
the main issue is, that they don't care |
13:03
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|
joepie91 |
indeed |
13:04
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|
joepie91 |
honestly, had I contacted them, they'd scared the shit out of them and fixed it, there would have been no issue |
13:04
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|
joepie91 |
and I would be perfectly fine with it |
13:04
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|
norbert79 |
yeah, agree |
13:04
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|
joepie91 |
but they've been trying to find reasons NOT to fix things for months now |
13:04
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|
joepie91 |
it's ridiculous |
13:04
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|
norbert79 |
I have no skills to do a similar tracking, maybe with time... But if you check on something and they give a crap... That's an issue |
13:05
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|
norbert79 |
btw as payback I would have demoed the issue doing a rooting on their own system |
13:05
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|
norbert79 |
just to prove a point |
13:05
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|
joepie91 |
I'd rather not v& |
13:05
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|
joepie91 |
:P |
13:06
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|
norbert79 |
The main issue I was moving away from Panel based solutions was |
13:06
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|
norbert79 |
that some are poorly written |
13:06
๐
|
norbert79 |
like there is Cpanel |
13:06
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|
joepie91 |
s/some/most/ |
13:06
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|
norbert79 |
it can't handle SSH [Case] situations |
13:06
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|
joepie91 |
that said, cpanel isn't great either... |
13:06
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|
norbert79 |
it helps with database settings, mailing a lot, that's true |
13:06
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|
joepie91 |
basically, all web hosting panels suck balls |
13:06
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|
norbert79 |
but if I wish to have some specific setting |
13:07
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|
norbert79 |
like a plain Match User case |
13:07
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|
norbert79 |
and it fucks it up |
13:07
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|
norbert79 |
by adding the users to the END of the file |
13:07
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|
norbert79 |
that breaks my balls |
13:07
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|
joepie91 |
haha |
13:07
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|
joepie91 |
on that note |
13:07
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|
norbert79 |
seriously, you have to keep Allowuser root to TRUE |
13:07
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|
joepie91 |
there's such a disconnect |
13:07
๐
|
norbert79 |
to have the cpanel working right |
13:07
๐
|
norbert79 |
nonsense |
13:08
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|
norbert79 |
worst part: some panel writers are asking for money for those |
13:08
๐
|
norbert79 |
ok, fine ask money for support |
13:08
๐
|
norbert79 |
but the code should stay open |
13:08
๐
|
joepie91 |
half the people says proprietary software is absolutely fine, and that "but you cannot fix things yourself in proprietary software" is not a valid reason |
13:09
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|
joepie91 |
the other half of the people meets an issue in $proprietary_thing, and is frustrated because they cannot fix it |
13:09
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|
joepie91 |
clearly both cannot be true at the same time... |
13:09
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|
norbert79 |
well |
13:09
๐
|
norbert79 |
I think the second is mostly more valid |
13:09
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|
norbert79 |
especially in commercial and business systems |
13:09
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|
joepie91 |
the thing is |
13:09
๐
|
joepie91 |
the second one is objective |
13:09
๐
|
joepie91 |
it is an experience that happens |
13:09
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|
joepie91 |
there is no disputing |
13:09
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|
joepie91 |
the first one is, at best, an opinion |
13:09
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|
norbert79 |
I mean you cannot rollout a software because some fricking simple bug for tousand of systems... ok go on |
13:10
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|
norbert79 |
Agree |
13:10
๐
|
joepie91 |
at worst, an uneducated claim based on commonly repeated pseudo-knowledge, that holds no basis in reality |
13:10
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|
joepie91 |
combined with some fallacies for good measure, typically |
13:10
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|
norbert79 |
maybe the first refers to cases where you don't touch the code or try to reverse checking as you wish to do a very simple thing |
13:10
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|
norbert79 |
Like my example: Simple laser printer |
13:10
๐
|
joepie91 |
the problem really is that the first one is said by people that have never experienced the second |
13:10
๐
|
norbert79 |
Acculaser M1200 Epson |
13:10
๐
|
joepie91 |
and because _they_ haven't experienced it, noone has |
13:11
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|
norbert79 |
Oh, I see |
13:11
๐
|
joepie91 |
according to them |
13:11
๐
|
joepie91 |
it's a complete lack of seeing the bigger picture |
13:11
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|
norbert79 |
well |
13:11
๐
|
norbert79 |
I said the first sentence a few times, but during an install of an application to a regular office Windows where I knew all the details yet the application to be installed was as informative as a stubborn ox |
13:12
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|
norbert79 |
"install cannot be completed, try again" |
13:12
๐
|
norbert79 |
no error codes, nothing |
13:12
๐
|
norbert79 |
and it was necessary for work |
13:12
๐
|
norbert79 |
so in this case i tried to fix my issue |
13:13
๐
|
norbert79 |
but I couldn't really do so |
13:13
๐
|
norbert79 |
so this might be referring to such scenarios |
13:13
๐
|
norbert79 |
or was at least in my case |
13:13
๐
|
norbert79 |
anyway, zPanel, no-go |
13:15
๐
|
joepie91 |
sounds like a similar problem |
13:15
๐
|
joepie91 |
and, indeed |
13:16
๐
|
norbert79 |
btw I just start to love my new Genius keyboard... KB-G235 |
13:16
๐
|
norbert79 |
finally my daughter can sleep and I can type :) |
13:17
๐
|
joepie91 |
seems like an okay keyboard |
13:17
๐
|
joepie91 |
how heavy is it? |
13:18
๐
|
norbert79 |
light |
13:18
๐
|
* |
joepie91 has http://www.areadvd.de/images/2010/medion_erazer_7717/tastatur.jpg |
13:18
๐
|
joepie91 |
(it's backlit) |
13:18
๐
|
norbert79 |
100 gr maybe |
13:18
๐
|
joepie91 |
ah :( |
13:18
๐
|
joepie91 |
mine is probably close to a kilo |
13:18
๐
|
norbert79 |
Yours looks also nice |
13:18
๐
|
joepie91 |
(also, my keyboard layout is a bit different from what you see on the image, but same keyboard otherwise) |
13:18
๐
|
norbert79 |
mine was around 15 รขยยฌ |
13:19
๐
|
joepie91 |
mine was 20 |
13:19
๐
|
joepie91 |
iirc |
13:19
๐
|
norbert79 |
fair price too |
13:19
๐
|
joepie91 |
it has 3 colors backlight, extra heavy |
13:19
๐
|
joepie91 |
and rock solid |
13:19
๐
|
norbert79 |
backlight is a nice feature altough |
13:19
๐
|
norbert79 |
I am missing that here |
13:19
๐
|
joepie91 |
(backlight is also smoothly dimmable) |
13:19
๐
|
norbert79 |
but being quite was my first goal |
13:19
๐
|
joepie91 |
anyway, I recently spilled an entire thermos (!) of hot water over it |
13:19
๐
|
norbert79 |
"quiet" |
13:19
๐
|
norbert79 |
ouch |
13:20
๐
|
joepie91 |
it took me 10 seconds to unplug it and turn it upside down on a blanket |
13:20
๐
|
joepie91 |
zero damage |
13:20
๐
|
norbert79 |
hah |
13:20
๐
|
joepie91 |
it had absolutely no issues with it |
13:20
๐
|
norbert79 |
cool |
13:20
๐
|
joepie91 |
... apparently it's waterproof too |
13:20
๐
|
joepie91 |
lol |
13:20
๐
|
norbert79 |
lucky |
13:20
๐
|
norbert79 |
heheh |
13:20
๐
|
joepie91 |
anwyay, I type quite intensively |
13:20
๐
|
norbert79 |
Well, I had an older Samsung keyboard, white |
13:20
๐
|
joepie91 |
to the point where a Logitech keyboard will break in <3 months |
13:20
๐
|
joepie91 |
in my hands |
13:20
๐
|
joepie91 |
and it even survives that |
13:20
๐
|
norbert79 |
and I still own a pre-windows logod keyboard... |
13:20
๐
|
joepie91 |
doesn't bend either, at all |
13:20
๐
|
joepie91 |
like, it takes the impact and all |
13:20
๐
|
joepie91 |
but it doesn't actually *bend* |
13:21
๐
|
joepie91 |
most keyboards do bend to a degree |
13:21
๐
|
norbert79 |
heh, nice... |
13:21
๐
|
joepie91 |
anyway, I've had this keyboard for like 5 years now |
13:21
๐
|
norbert79 |
my previous one was 9 years old |
13:21
๐
|
joepie91 |
same for my mouse |
13:21
๐
|
joepie91 |
both still work fine |
13:21
๐
|
joepie91 |
only thing is that my keycaps are starting to become unreadable :( |
13:21
๐
|
joepie91 |
(and it's kinda noisy, but it types very pleasantly) |
13:21
๐
|
norbert79 |
hehhe, yeah |
13:21
๐
|
joepie91 |
yeah |
13:21
๐
|
joepie91 |
:p |
13:21
๐
|
joepie91 |
must've been a good one then |
13:22
๐
|
norbert79 |
yeah, mine was meant for being silent as a lamb |
13:22
๐
|
joepie91 |
heh |
13:22
๐
|
norbert79 |
chopped |
13:22
๐
|
norbert79 |
:) |
13:22
๐
|
joepie91 |
the noise is a bit problematic here really |
13:22
๐
|
joepie91 |
bf is currently in the same room |
13:22
๐
|
joepie91 |
doing voice acting stuffs |
13:22
๐
|
joepie91 |
and his professional mic actually picks up my typing |
13:22
๐
|
joepie91 |
a few meters away |
13:22
๐
|
joepie91 |
lol |
13:22
๐
|
SmileyG |
unreadable keys on a keyboard is a problem why? |
13:22
๐
|
joepie91 |
I've had complaints before because "it sounds like you're shooting a machine gun" |
13:22
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|
norbert79 |
http://pckeyboard.com/page/PC122/UB40B5A - I wish for one of these or... |
13:23
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|
joepie91 |
keyboard noise + typing speed == deadly |
13:23
๐
|
joepie91 |
:p |
13:23
๐
|
joepie91 |
SmileyG: it is for people that aren't used to blind typing |
13:23
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|
SmileyG |
joepie91: indeed. |
13:23
๐
|
SmileyG |
but n oone touches my pc other htan me |
13:23
๐
|
SmileyG |
"wtf where is the start button?" |
13:23
๐
|
joepie91 |
that's mostly my policy |
13:23
๐
|
norbert79 |
http://pckeyboard.com/page/Classic/UNI044A |
13:23
๐
|
joepie91 |
haha |
13:23
๐
|
norbert79 |
Or this |
13:23
๐
|
norbert79 |
but I am waiting for the new stock of classic 101 and 102 |
13:23
๐
|
joepie91 |
but, bf also occasionally uses my PC (only when I'm here) |
13:23
๐
|
SmileyG |
"zomg your mouse is so fast" |
13:23
๐
|
joepie91 |
and he touch types.. kind of |
13:23
๐
|
joepie91 |
half touch half blind |
13:23
๐
|
joepie91 |
ish |
13:23
๐
|
joepie91 |
idk |
13:23
๐
|
joepie91 |
it's a strange way of typing |
13:23
๐
|
joepie91 |
but he has issues with keys not being labeled, at times |
13:24
๐
|
SmileyG |
I can even type with ofsets when keyboards are in weird places such as to my side, or behind me |
13:24
๐
|
norbert79 |
Well, I can only use 6 fingers |
13:24
๐
|
joepie91 |
I have a lot of issues with differently laid out keyboards |
13:24
๐
|
joepie91 |
especially laptop keyboards |
13:24
๐
|
SmileyG |
joepie91: takes me a few minutes to retrain and then i'm fine most of the time |
13:24
๐
|
joepie91 |
but I have the layout of this keyboard etched into my mind pretty much |
13:24
๐
|
SmileyG |
only problem is size of keys |
13:24
๐
|
joepie91 |
:P |
13:24
๐
|
norbert79 |
Mine is generic Hungarian.. Oh I hate laptop keyboards too, but Lenovo had a pretty ok one for the T430 |
13:24
๐
|
SmileyG |
an d how far down they go |
13:24
๐
|
joepie91 |
also, re: bf's typing style: he uses two fingers, sometimes three... yet he hits very close to my typing speed |
13:24
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|
SmileyG |
if they don't depress, i get angry :D |
13:24
๐
|
joepie91 |
perhaps 20 wpm less or so |
13:25
๐
|
joepie91 |
idk how he does it |
13:25
๐
|
joepie91 |
SmileyG: that's my primary gripe with laptop keyboards |
13:25
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|
joepie91 |
my current laptop is one of the very few keyboards that has a keyboard with a pleasant travel distance and click |
13:25
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|
BlueMax |
...you're a girl? O_O |
13:25
๐
|
joepie91 |
even though it's not a large travel distance |
13:25
๐
|
joepie91 |
cheapo lenovo netbook |
13:25
๐
|
joepie91 |
no |
13:25
๐
|
joepie91 |
I'm not |
13:26
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|
norbert79 |
But you could be :D |
13:26
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|
norbert79 |
Sorry |
13:26
๐
|
joepie91 |
anyway, the only other laptop I've ever liked in terms of keyboard, were the school laptops... |
13:26
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|
joepie91 |
strangely enough |
13:26
๐
|
joepie91 |
Acer Timeline something |
13:26
๐
|
joepie91 |
best laptop keyboard I've ever used |
13:26
๐
|
norbert79 |
If laptop, then Lenovo category T... |
13:26
๐
|
joepie91 |
norbert79: I don't like the keyboard on the higher end Lenovos |
13:26
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|
joepie91 |
it's like someone put pillows under the keys... |
13:26
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|
godane |
so i'm at 5291gb uploaded now |
13:26
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|
joepie91 |
I want them to click |
13:26
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|
norbert79 |
Yeah, on the other hand they are compact |
13:26
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|
joepie91 |
then again, there's worse |
13:26
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|
norbert79 |
Ooh, the issue is with the clicking |
13:26
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|
joepie91 |
macbook keyboards... |
13:27
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|
joepie91 |
are absolutely atrocious |
13:27
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|
joepie91 |
to me |
13:27
๐
|
joepie91 |
only packard bell laptop keyboards are more unpleasant than apple keyboards imo |
13:27
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|
norbert79 |
joepie91: For clicking keyboards I would suggest Unicomp Buckle Spring or "Das Keyboard" :) |
13:27
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|
norbert79 |
that's some old school |
13:27
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|
joepie91 |
expensive |
13:28
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|
joepie91 |
I've been looking at das keyboard in particular |
13:28
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|
joepie91 |
but can't afford it right now |
13:28
๐
|
joepie91 |
but I'm fine with my Medion for now |
13:28
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|
joepie91 |
it's not a mechanic keyboard, but it's not far off in terms of feel :) |
13:28
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|
norbert79 |
yeah, that seems nice |
13:28
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|
norbert79 |
:) |
13:28
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|
SmileyG |
It's shameful to say but the cheap dell keyboards you get with their desktops are alright. |
13:28
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|
joepie91 |
and about as durable |
13:28
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|
norbert79 |
My family would hate me bad if I would have one of those keyboards :) |
13:28
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|
joepie91 |
SmileyG: yes, the Dell keyboards are okay |
13:28
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|
norbert79 |
finally the missus is happy with my current |
13:28
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|
joepie91 |
as are the Trust keyboards |
13:28
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|
joepie91 |
and, surprisingly, the 5 euro keyboards from the local discount store |
13:29
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|
joepie91 |
they're extremely light, but they're okay to type on |
13:29
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|
joepie91 |
norbert79: hah |
13:29
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joepie91 |
also, note how BlueMax woke up just to ask whether I was a girl, and then stopped responding :P |
13:29
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SmileyG |
Trust are nice, yup. |
13:29
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SmileyG |
I like logitech ones too, the old ones |
13:30
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|
SmileyG |
Media keyboards with the media keys but nothing extra than that. |
13:30
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|
joepie91 |
Logitech $anything always breaks for me |
13:30
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|
joepie91 |
in <1 year |
13:30
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|
joepie91 |
most stuff in <3 months |
13:30
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|
BlueMax |
well I'm not able to follow the conversation because I've had nothing but crap keyboards in my life |
13:30
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|
joepie91 |
like, literally always |
13:30
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|
joepie91 |
Trust > Logitech for durability |
13:30
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|
joepie91 |
Trust is a bit strange anyway |
13:30
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|
joepie91 |
it's all rebranded imported chinese stuff |
13:30
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|
* |
norbert79 just realizes that joepie91 "<3" means less, than three ... |
13:30
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|
norbert79 |
damn it, too many chat with the missus |
13:30
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|
joepie91 |
haha |
13:30
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|
norbert79 |
<3 is heart for me |
13:30
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|
joepie91 |
:p |
13:30
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|
joepie91 |
same, normally |
13:30
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|
joepie91 |
I'll put a space inbetween normally |
13:31
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|
joepie91 |
anyway, Trust has some terrible stuff, and a lot of good stuff |
13:31
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|
BlueMax |
I see a wizard hat with boobs dangling off it |
13:31
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|
godane |
i'm over 5000 found techtv videos |
13:31
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|
joepie91 |
if you pay attention to what you buy, you pay dirt for something that will probably outlive you |
13:31
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|
joepie91 |
especially their speakers are really pleasant |
13:31
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|
GLaDOS |
I got a Lenovo keyboard from when I was in an isolated community. |
13:31
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|
joepie91 |
right now, I have a pair of old (!) Trust speakers hooked up to my pc |
13:31
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|
GLaDOS |
They just had some spares. |
13:31
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|
joepie91 |
they have been actively used for over 15 years |
13:32
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|
GLaDOS |
2 years in, it's still perfectly fine. |
13:32
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joepie91 |
and still function |
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joepie91 |
it recently got some contact issues with the volume button, and it seems an internal wire for the subwoofer output has gotten loose |
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joepie91 |
but both are fixable |
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joepie91 |
pretty easily |
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joepie91 |
even by a electronics-tard like me |
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chronomex |
norbert79: I have the 122-key keyboard in front of me right now |
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norbert79 |
chronomex: I hate you :) |
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chronomex |
:D |
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norbert79 |
Original IBM? |
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chronomex |
why? |
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norbert79 |
or the Unicomp one |
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chronomex |
unicomp |
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norbert79 |
I see |
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chronomex |
usb |
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norbert79 |
Those were used for accessing 5250 and 3270 terminals back in the days |
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chronomex |
yes |
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chronomex |
it's a strange layout |
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norbert79 |
strange, but it was meant for Mainframe terminals |
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norbert79 |
but as being former IBM employee and Mainframe admin |
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chronomex |
right |
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norbert79 |
I wish for such :) |
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norbert79 |
I wonder how well it would work with x3270 or IBM Personal Communicator |
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norbert79 |
or with c3270 |
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norbert79 |
including special keys |
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norbert79 |
chronomex: Do you use all the keys? |
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chronomex |
not very often |
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norbert79 |
but it's cool having F20, isn't it? :D |
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chronomex |
yup |
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norbert79 |
If it would have been, I would have mapped the login keys to F20 and not to Ctrl-Alt-Del... You wish to login? Get a proper keyboard |
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norbert79 |
if it would have been me |
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chronomex |
unfortunately most of the extended keys are mapped to key combos, not individual keycodes |
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norbert79 |
Oh, I see |
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norbert79 |
not sure really how PA1 PA2 buttons were actually mapped |
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norbert79 |
I never touched a real 122 keyboard in front of a real 3270 terminal :( |
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norbert79 |
had to do things always remote |
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omf_ |
I just shoved most of the slackware isos on IA |
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joepie91 |
http://ripplescam.org/ |
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joepie91 |
cc norbert79, omf_, and chronomex |
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joepie91 |
I suspect you may find this interesting |
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norbert79 |
joepie91: Thx, checking |
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norbert79 |
joepie91: Hehhe, small reference to a known coin system? ;-) |
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joepie91 |
norbert79: hmm? :P |
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* |
SmileyG looks in |
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* |
BlueMax shaves Smiley |
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SmileyG |
interesting attack |
22:43
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BlueMax |
I usually throw people out windows |
22:44
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SmileyG |
yeah I've noticed. |
22:44
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BlueMax |
unfortunately for people with such big internet cocks that's impossible here |
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SmileyG |
Anyway bed time for me :< |
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BlueMax |
damn I shaved all your fur, now whatcha gonna do |