| Time |
Nickname |
Message |
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01:45
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dashcloud |
hey folks, have you had trouble recently remembering who you called, or who called you? If you're a Verizon Wireless customer, don't worry- just ask the government- they've been keeping tabs for you: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-records-verizon-court-order |
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14:34
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joepie91 |
dashcloud: wow |
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14:34
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joepie91 |
they went all out |
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14:43
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Schbirid |
underground-gamer irc is dead now? anyone know anything? :( |
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14:44
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twrist |
Didn't they close due to some possible legal pressures? |
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14:45
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Smiley |
the website did, but they said they had everything safely archived (user stuff) |
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14:47
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balrog |
Schbirid: #UG on espernet |
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14:49
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Schbirid |
cheers |
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14:56
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Schbirid |
and now i am crawling snapchat for some stupid reason (fun) |
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14:56
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Schbirid |
picked a random user and it does not seem to end too quickly |
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14:59
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Smiley |
snapchat? |
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14:59
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Smiley |
wut |
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15:00
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Smiley |
how do you go about crawling ssnapchat? |
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15:01
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Schbirid |
take a user with friends (unlike http://www.snapchat.com/Smiley ), -np and reject /go/ and have fun |
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15:01
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Smiley |
got a working user? |
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15:02
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Smiley |
-np? |
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15:02
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Smiley |
i'm presuming this is some kind of wget fun |
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15:02
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Smiley |
if your teling me you can gragb a users photos.... then LOLS |
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15:02
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Schbirid |
http://www.snapchat.com/smiley4 ? |
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15:02
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Schbirid |
no |
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15:03
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|
Schbirid |
just friendlists |
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15:03
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Smiley |
dawww |
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15:04
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|
Smiley |
Anyone sniffed the traffic? |
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15:10
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|
omf_ |
smelled like farts |
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15:11
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|
omf_ |
Today for work I am trying something different. |
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15:11
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|
omf_ |
I woke up and started downing expensive beer |
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15:12
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|
antomatic |
I read that as "started downloading expensive beer" at first |
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15:12
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omf_ |
Lets see how work is whilst not sober |
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15:12
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|
joepie91 |
so |
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15:12
🔗
|
joepie91 |
apparently a new mobile provider in NL |
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15:12
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|
joepie91 |
provides "really unlimited calling, texting, and internet" |
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15:13
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|
joepie91 |
7/2mbps 3G |
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15:13
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|
joepie91 |
"no fineprint" |
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15:13
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|
joepie91 |
this is going to be fun |
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15:14
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|
Schbirid |
re NL, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5830994 is pretty crazy |
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15:18
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|
joepie91 |
Schbirid: ha |
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15:18
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|
joepie91 |
tip of the iceberg |
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15:18
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|
joepie91 |
how about police cars that are equipped with 360 degree cameras that record 24/7, send recordings to central storage |
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15:19
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|
joepie91 |
where they are kept for weeks to months |
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15:19
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|
joepie91 |
license plate scanners on police cars, also operating 24/7 |
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15:19
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|
Schbirid |
well, it seems to work, i have not heard of any terrirismosm in NL |
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15:19
🔗
|
joepie91 |
increasing cooperation between government and private security firms because private firms aren't bound by the same legislation |
|
15:19
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|
joepie91 |
etc |
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15:19
🔗
|
joepie91 |
Schbirid: have you ever heard of the lion joke? |
|
15:20
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|
Schbirid |
nope |
|
15:20
🔗
|
joepie91 |
guy: "yeah, I've found a way to repel lions, I just sing 'halleluja' really loud, and they stay away" |
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15:20
🔗
|
joepie91 |
other guy: "I don't see any lions around here" |
|
15:20
🔗
|
joepie91 |
guy: "see? it works" |
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15:20
🔗
|
joepie91 |
that about summarizes the security measures in NL |
|
15:20
🔗
|
joepie91 |
they're supposedly 'protecting' against something that didn't happen in NL in the first place |
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15:21
🔗
|
Schbirid |
heh, yeah |
|
15:21
🔗
|
joepie91 |
all these privacy-breaking measures are very recent |
|
15:21
🔗
|
joepie91 |
past 8-10 years or so |
|
15:21
🔗
|
joepie91 |
at most |
|
15:21
🔗
|
joepie91 |
before that, all these things didn't exist |
|
15:21
🔗
|
joepie91 |
and guess how much terrorism happened? 0 |
|
15:21
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|
Schbirid |
alot terrorism |
|
15:22
🔗
|
joepie91 |
oh, bonus: Dutch ID card stores more fingerprints than mandated by EU |
|
15:22
🔗
|
joepie91 |
and they're stored centrally too |
|
15:22
🔗
|
joepie91 |
or were, at least |
|
15:22
🔗
|
joepie91 |
possibly people have gotten angry enough about it to make it go away |
|
15:22
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|
joepie91 |
but I doubt it |
|
15:23
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|
joepie91 |
(stored in a foreign country too) |
|
15:23
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|
joepie91 |
(not that I care about borders, it's just strategically kind of stupid) |
|
15:24
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|
joepie91 |
also, it's kind of disconcerting to think that the same people that were fucked over by collected data during the WWII occupation of the Netherlands by Germany |
|
15:25
🔗
|
joepie91 |
are now not doing anything against the increasing surveillance and data retention |
|
15:25
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|
joepie91 |
and being ignorant |
|
15:25
🔗
|
joepie91 |
one of the reasons Nazi reign in NL was so efficient, was because NL kept perfect tabs on its population |
|
15:25
🔗
|
Smiley |
loil |
|
15:26
🔗
|
joepie91 |
(I'm not even kidding - this was seriously one of the greatest contributions to their reign.... the people register....) |
|
15:27
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|
joepie91 |
but apparently people are too retarded to learn from that, or somethinbg |
|
15:27
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|
joepie91 |
:| |
|
15:27
🔗
|
joepie91 |
something* |
|
15:27
🔗
|
omf_ |
It is the same cliche. If you do not learn from history you are doomed to repeat it |
|
15:28
🔗
|
joepie91 |
indeed |
|
15:28
🔗
|
joepie91 |
also, this new mobile provider is odd |
|
15:29
🔗
|
joepie91 |
the unlimited one |
|
15:29
🔗
|
joepie91 |
they _do_ have a clause saying "fair use, blah blah blah" |
|
15:29
🔗
|
joepie91 |
but keep saying "no fineprint" everywhere |
|
15:29
🔗
|
Smiley |
mmaybe it's in font size 12? |
|
15:29
🔗
|
joepie91 |
and it's apparently set up by the guy that set up Ortel (a pretty well-known prepaid SIM provider in NL, often used by turks, because they offer really cheap calling rates to turkey and many other countries) |
|
15:29
🔗
|
joepie91 |
so I'm inclined to believe that they won't fuck you over |
|
15:29
🔗
|
Schbirid |
=) |
|
15:30
🔗
|
joepie91 |
also, monthly contract |
|
15:30
🔗
|
joepie91 |
no yearly |
|
15:30
🔗
|
Smiley |
those cheap rate things are funny |
|
15:30
🔗
|
Schbirid |
lots of ortel ads in germany too atm |
|
15:30
🔗
|
Smiley |
do you know how they work? |
|
15:30
🔗
|
joepie91 |
Smiley: ? |
|
15:30
🔗
|
joepie91 |
how do you mean? |
|
15:30
🔗
|
Smiley |
VoIP |
|
15:30
🔗
|
joepie91 |
quite possibly |
|
15:30
🔗
|
Smiley |
We operate some |
|
15:30
🔗
|
joepie91 |
I'm fine with it |
|
15:30
🔗
|
Smiley |
no, they *do* |
|
15:30
🔗
|
joepie91 |
:P |
|
15:30
🔗
|
joepie91 |
call quality is fine |
|
15:30
🔗
|
Smiley |
just funny |
|
15:30
🔗
|
Smiley |
Of yeah sure |
|
15:30
🔗
|
omf_ |
Which brings me to an interesting question. Archive Team is programmers and system administrators mostly from previous asking around. Who here keeps personal notes for admin and programming? I am not talking official documentation like for a job |
|
15:30
🔗
|
Smiley |
it's just amusing, as anyone with skype can do the same thing :D |
|
15:30
🔗
|
joepie91 |
I had a Lebara SIM (that I let expire... D:) |
|
15:30
🔗
|
joepie91 |
calls to US for like 5 cents a minute |
|
15:30
🔗
|
joepie91 |
heh |
|
15:30
🔗
|
Smiley |
omf_: for admin I do occasionally. |
|
15:31
🔗
|
Smiley |
joepie91: possibly routed via us :D |
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15:31
🔗
|
joepie91 |
omf_: I have a bazillion text files with notes laying around |
|
15:31
🔗
|
joepie91 |
Smiley: heh |
|
15:31
🔗
|
joepie91 |
it works very nicely though, no complaints |
|
15:32
🔗
|
omf_ |
For the people who don't: Why not? A few years ago I started taking it seriously and kept everything in git since then. Now I have pages of nice clean material most of which is now automated applications so I never have to do tasks more than once |
|
15:32
🔗
|
DFJustin |
whenever I find something really non-obvious or an occasional weird problem I make a text file note |
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15:32
🔗
|
Smiley |
I just found it interesting. |
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15:32
🔗
|
DFJustin |
also have a lot of bookmarks of stack overflow pages and the like |
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15:32
🔗
|
ivan` |
I keep checklists for a lot of things |
|
15:33
🔗
|
omf_ |
See I moved away from bookmarks because unless the title is good scanning the list is not always good enough. I cut the piece out I need from a page and keep it local. Now I can just grep that dir of text files |
|
15:34
🔗
|
omf_ |
It seems to me keeping notes is the smart and intuitive idea but the lack of documentation everywhere proves me wrong. |
|
15:34
🔗
|
omf_ |
Stackoverflow is a god send because it is all CC and it uses gamification to get more people to contribute information. |
|
15:34
🔗
|
omf_ |
and lower the crap ratio |
|
15:34
🔗
|
DFJustin |
also because it has people who actually know what the fuck they are talking about |
|
15:35
🔗
|
DFJustin |
which I guess flows from the above properties |
|
15:35
🔗
|
omf_ |
People who know shit are attracted to it because the crap gets voted down |
|
15:35
🔗
|
omf_ |
people there recognize talent |
|
15:35
🔗
|
omf_ |
Giving people props for problem solving is an ego boost |
|
15:36
🔗
|
omf_ |
and what do we know about engineers and technical people? Poor social skills and usually low self esteem |
|
15:36
🔗
|
omf_ |
And yes I have every single data dumb from Stackoverflow backed up already |
|
15:36
🔗
|
omf_ |
dump |
|
15:36
🔗
|
omf_ |
and all the satelite sites too |
|
15:37
🔗
|
DFJustin |
grepping a dir of text files is a good idea I think I'll reorganize things a bit in that direction |
|
15:37
🔗
|
DFJustin |
too lazy to use git though |
|
15:37
🔗
|
omf_ |
just make a backup |
|
15:37
🔗
|
DFJustin |
who do you think you're talking to :D |
|
15:38
🔗
|
ivan` |
you don't have to use real commit messages with git |
|
15:38
🔗
|
ivan` |
you can just timestamp if you want |
|
15:38
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|
omf_ |
yep |
|
15:38
🔗
|
DFJustin |
hm |
|
15:39
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|
omf_ |
I use git to help track when I started doing things different. If I pull up an old program and think wtf is this? I can look at the date and check to see if I had found the better solution yet |
|
15:39
🔗
|
tyn |
There's a piece of software which stores notes in plain text with features; zim - http://zim-wiki.org/ |
|
15:40
🔗
|
omf_ |
We all have experience knowledge in our brains that is useful but atrophies over time, so I just write it down instead |
|
15:40
🔗
|
tyn |
I use it even for class notes |
|
15:40
🔗
|
ivan` |
org-mode |
|
15:40
🔗
|
omf_ |
I also find mind maps for complex problems a great tool. I use the open source program Free Plane |
|
15:40
🔗
|
tyn |
True. But for those mortals among us. |
|
15:40
🔗
|
omf_ |
It uses a text xml file which is future friendly |
|
15:44
🔗
|
omf_ |
I do not have to do internet research for a problem I have solved before and I have to remember less shit. I solve a problem and then stick the solution and other data in the notes. Later I just search and go. |
|
15:45
🔗
|
omf_ |
That is why I see taking the few seconds to copy, paste, type and save a non-issue. |
|
15:45
🔗
|
omf_ |
It is the same as search the web just focused on the data I think I might need |
|
15:46
🔗
|
omf_ |
Search engines should allow users to custom tailor the results more to extract this level of value. Google CSE is the closest thing I have found. |
|
15:47
🔗
|
tyn |
Yeah, that would be awesome. I find grep gives so many irrelevant hits when I search my files. |
|
15:48
🔗
|
ivan` |
I switched to ag a few months ago which conveniently does not search .git .svn .hg etc |
|
15:48
🔗
|
ivan` |
grep -r spends most of its time there |
|
15:51
🔗
|
tyn |
True - but grep will happily exclude them with --exclude-dir= |
|
15:51
🔗
|
ivan` |
ah right |
|
17:24
🔗
|
Schbirid |
phew, poor gephi does not like 20k snapfriend nets |
|
17:41
🔗
|
Schbirid |
hm, it seems like the friendlists are always only just 3 friends |
|
17:45
🔗
|
Schbirid |
they limited that today |
|
18:05
🔗
|
balrog |
lol |
|
18:24
🔗
|
yipdw |
omf_: re: your question about administration notes: at my workplace, we are in the middle of a large Chef rollout for configuration management |
|
18:24
🔗
|
yipdw |
I have mixed feelings about it |
|
18:24
🔗
|
yipdw |
on the one hand, I do like the fact that configuration changes are subject to all the benefits of code review and source control; on the other hand, the overhead ranges from palpable to substantial |
|
18:24
🔗
|
yipdw |
part of it may just be the cost of transitioning |
|
18:25
🔗
|
yipdw |
(I'm actually the person driving it, heh) |
|
18:41
🔗
|
omf_ |
Chef and Puppet are nothing special. I used to use cfengine for years and the only difference is the newer stuff is written in a different language and uses different jargon. We have yet to see a really good config management system |
|
18:42
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|
omf_ |
Shit when I do deployments now I just build a single image and install it to everything via the network |
|
18:42
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|
omf_ |
Config management doesn't matter because all the machines look alike |
|
18:43
🔗
|
omf_ |
plus each distro has its own config management/system building software |
|
18:43
🔗
|
omf_ |
Redhat = cobbler, debian = installer (i always forget the name), opensuse = kiwi |
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18:45
🔗
|
omf_ |
yipdw, did you have any config management before? |
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18:46
🔗
|
yipdw |
previously, the network was small enough to have it managed by one sysadmin |
|
18:46
🔗
|
yipdw |
that has changed quite quickly |
|
18:47
🔗
|
yipdw |
I've used both Chef and Puppet, but the point isn't whether they're special |
|
18:47
🔗
|
omf_ |
You are introducing overhead. Learning & using puppet, discovery into how everything works, checking against existing documentation, trail & error, shakedown work |
|
18:47
🔗
|
yipdw |
yeah, I know |
|
18:47
🔗
|
yipdw |
you asked about notes and I offered one story |
|
18:47
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|
yipdw |
that's all :P |
|
18:48
🔗
|
omf_ |
Oh yours is the perfect example of why notes and beyond are needed |
|
18:48
🔗
|
yipdw |
we would not be doing what we're doing without configuration management |
|
18:48
🔗
|
omf_ |
After everything is done Puppet will save time on future builds |
|
18:48
🔗
|
yipdw |
yes, we've saved time, definitely |
|
18:48
🔗
|
yipdw |
:P |
|
18:48
🔗
|
yipdw |
I've still got mixed feelings about it |
|
18:49
🔗
|
yipdw |
sometimes I wonder if we went too far in the "formalize it" direction |
|
18:49
🔗
|
yipdw |
stuff like that |
|
18:49
🔗
|
yipdw |
but it's always an approximation procedure |
|
18:50
🔗
|
cmx |
from facebook: "when i broke up with my last gf i was so mad i deleted her from my friendster that i hadnt logged into in like 4 years lol" |
|
18:51
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|
yipdw |
omf_: I'll say one huge benefit we've gotten is the ability to provision development environments the same way as production, so yeah, it's paid off there |
|
18:51
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|
yipdw |
I do however need to find a way to quantify "paid off" |
|
18:51
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|
yipdw |
time saved is a good place to start; I need to attach a money value to it though |
|
18:52
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|
yipdw |
otherwise finance doesn't listen to me, etc. |
|
18:52
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|
yipdw |
and balance it against time invested in making this crazy thing work |
|
21:01
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|
joepie91 |
IA needs a Random button |
|
21:07
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|
cmx |
agreed |
|
22:28
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|
Smiley |
^^ |