#archiveteam-bs 2013-06-22,Sat

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00:10 πŸ”— dashcloud so, for anyone who pays attention to their spam email (or has to manage spam email for a group/company), are you seeing a wave of phishing emails with broken zip files?
00:17 πŸ”— xmc I'm seeing an overwhelming tide of penny stock ads
00:18 πŸ”— xmc I've always gotten a lot of romanian-language spam, to the point that I have a hard-coded rule to bin anything from a .ro server
01:02 πŸ”— dashcloud I get turkish marketing emails for no good reason
01:21 πŸ”— DFJustin most of my spam is in chinese now
01:42 πŸ”— GLaDOS I just get free viagra.
01:42 πŸ”— GLaDOS You guys are lucky.
01:43 πŸ”— Aranje I get a lot of house loans and lotteries won
01:43 πŸ”— Aranje I feel old
01:52 πŸ”— arrith1 "On Friday, former NSA contractor Edward Snowden was formally charged by the United States government with espionage, theft, and conversion of government property in a sealed criminal complaint in the Eastern District Court of Virginia. According to the Washington Post citing anonymous sources, the United States has also asked Hong Kong to detain Snowden on a Γ’Β€Βœprovisional arrest warrant.Ҁ"
01:52 πŸ”— arrith1 http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/06/united-states-charges-snowden-with-espionage-asks-hong-kong-to-arrest-him/
02:09 πŸ”— DFJustin http://www.gog.com/promo/fair_and_square_selection
02:10 πŸ”— arrith1 wow, gog taking on the Humble Bundle people
02:10 πŸ”— arrith1 also kind of like a steam sale, though i don't know if steam does sales on packs that don't already exist (like that valve pack)
02:15 πŸ”— omf_ Uncle Buck got released in HD
02:15 πŸ”— omf_ now I can watch the giant pancake scene over and over again
02:27 πŸ”— omf_ https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_l6qmbqKM3V1qakb6x.jpg
02:52 πŸ”— xmc hahaha
02:52 πŸ”— xmc weirdo
02:55 πŸ”— * omf_ flips pancake
03:21 πŸ”— godane i really need to get usb 3.0
04:32 πŸ”— arrith1 godane: it is pretty nice
05:05 πŸ”— godane i'm just thinking about it cause i'm like moving folders with over 50gb of videos to my new hard drive
05:05 πŸ”— godane one that i bought early this month i think
05:06 πŸ”— godane i'm moving all g4 video to it
05:06 πŸ”— godane good news is got about 400gb of free disk space on my 3tb drive
05:07 πŸ”— arrith1 godane: yeah definitely helps. actually esata with sata 3 would be even nicer, depending on your setup
05:09 πŸ”— godane it also would make me feel better when burning bluray discs of stuff
05:09 πŸ”— omf_ why bother with usb 3.0? I agree with arrith1 esata is designed for hard drives only
05:10 πŸ”— godane i normally don't install anything into my computer
05:10 πŸ”— godane thats way everything has to be usb or burn to discs
05:11 πŸ”— arrith1 burn to 'disks' instead, copy over to hdds that you store optionally. sometimes the gigabyte per dollar works out in favor of hdds over discs
05:11 πŸ”— arrith1 i wonder how reliably esata bluray drives hotplug though
05:12 πŸ”— omf_ esata hotplug I found is all about how good the controller you have is
05:13 πŸ”— omf_ good thing bios upgrades can affect esata ability.
05:13 πŸ”— arrith1 interesting
05:16 πŸ”— omf_ yeah on my older pc I updated the bios a few years after I got it and it fixed a hot plug esata issue it had
05:16 πŸ”— omf_ also opened up the 3tb limit as well
05:17 πŸ”— omf_ The mix of firmwares and hardware of modern motherboards is a positive for forward compatibility.
05:18 πŸ”— arrith1 yeah seems there was some weird linux kernel issue with some multi-TB limit that i hadn't heard about until fairly recently. might've been 2.6.x or 3.x
05:19 πŸ”— arrith1 seems odd that systems wouldn't just be futureproofed for that
05:20 πŸ”— omf_ it is not a linux issue. The MSDOS partition table type fails at over 2TB. Linux has GPT as an option but most people do not even know that exists
05:20 πŸ”— omf_ Most Linux distros still default to msdos types to keep windows compatability
05:21 πŸ”— omf_ also cfdisk does not have gpt support
05:21 πŸ”— omf_ you have to use the newest version of gparted if you want to do it correctly. It is not about futureproof but backwards comparability.
05:22 πŸ”— omf_ Linux had petabyte support in the early 2000s
05:22 πŸ”— omf_ We now have exabyte support
05:23 πŸ”— omf_ petabyte - 1,125,899,906,842,624 bytes == 1024 terabytes
05:24 πŸ”— omf_ exabyte is 1024 petabytes
05:24 πŸ”— arrith1 one thing a person can do is just write a fs to a disk without a partition table
05:26 πŸ”— arrith1 i think the issue was 2.6.x kernels compiled without CONFIG_LBD enabled
05:31 πŸ”— godane i'm starting to upload hak5 episodes again
05:31 πŸ”— godane in hd now since it move to hd back in early 2009
05:31 πŸ”— omf_ arrith1, It is the CONFIG_EFI_PARTITION=y configuration option that enables GUID Partition Table support
05:32 πŸ”— godane problem is i basicly have to redownload all episodes of hak5
05:32 πŸ”— godane out side of most of season 4 being only in large format
05:34 πŸ”— omf_ 2.6.23 had GPT support which was used as the base for Fedora 8, Ubuntu 8.04, etc...
05:37 πŸ”— arrith1 omf_: yeah seems the LBD thing was back with ubuntu 6.xx
05:39 πŸ”— omf_ Anyone else read the Hacker News comments on how browsers store your passwords. The comments truly showed how technically inept that audience is
05:40 πŸ”— omf_ and I quote 'I don't even know how to setup a master password and have never heard of the option being available in FF or Chrome'
05:41 πŸ”— omf_ which is fucking hilarious since it has always been a feature in Firefox
05:43 πŸ”— arrith1 omf_: people go back and forth about whether or not Hacker News has declined and i say look no further than comments like that
05:43 πŸ”— omf_ It has always been shit
05:43 πŸ”— arrith1 also it is summer ;/
05:43 πŸ”— omf_ The lack of understand reality has always permutated HN
05:44 πŸ”— arrith1 well the brazenness of it. being ashamed/meek rather than almost proud
05:44 πŸ”— omf_ I have worked for a startup before. Reality is set aside in those environments
05:44 πŸ”— omf_ HN needs downvotes for everyone
05:45 πŸ”— winr4r omf_: afaik chromium (and probably chrome) on linux uses the system keyring
05:46 πŸ”— arrith1 yeah chromium uses the gnome-keyring. i wonder if it's able to use the kde equivalent
05:47 πŸ”— winr4r it is
05:48 πŸ”— omf_ I just, we are the startup community for the web and we have no fucking clue how a browser works
05:48 πŸ”— omf_ HN is a ghetto
05:50 πŸ”— arrith1 omf_: i wonder if they know how a browser works on lobste.rs
05:51 πŸ”— omf_ Stackoverflow has it right since the goal is to get the best solution to a question
05:51 πŸ”— omf_ I am not saying anything new here; comments are fucking worthless
05:54 πŸ”— omf_ arrith1, you make a good point. It is alright for people to make mistakes but to be proud of how ignorant you are... ugh fucking hipsters
05:55 πŸ”— * winr4r makes omf_ a nice cup of tea.
05:55 πŸ”— winr4r it'll be okay
05:56 πŸ”— winr4r just read all comments as you would listen to guys at a pub
05:57 πŸ”— winr4r might be useful, might not, but there's no sense caring about the ones that are not because that's just what guys-at-the-pub do
05:59 πŸ”— arrith1 omf_: i have a few ideas about what could make a site worthwhile. and a few sites are trying out new things, like stackoverflow and lobste.rs
06:00 πŸ”— arrith1 reddit's "best" sorting is also a step in that direction
06:00 πŸ”— omf_ SO is not anything too new. It is just moderated newsgroups with the need for an account to post
06:00 πŸ”— omf_ You roll back a while and you can find moderated newsgroups with good content
06:01 πŸ”— omf_ the need for accounts helps stop the shit talkers but even SO has shitty comments sometimes, not to be confused with answers
06:01 πŸ”— omf_ This is all at its core a signal to noise problem but fuck people how many times has this been "solved"
06:02 πŸ”— winr4r yahoo answers also requires an account
06:03 πŸ”— godane g4 gamesurge logs are uploaded: https://archive.org/details/gamesurge-g4-chatlogs
06:03 πŸ”— winr4r i really don't think that is enough to keep anything more than a rounding error of them out
06:03 πŸ”— omf_ yahoo answers main problem is the target audience is too big. How can you build a community around everyone and everything?
06:04 πŸ”— omf_ SO and stackexchange are targeted which helps
06:04 πŸ”— winr4r i'm amazed at how well SO/SE work
06:05 πŸ”— winr4r on the other hand
06:05 πŸ”— winr4r code either works or does not
06:07 πŸ”— winr4r there's not a whole lot of opinion required in "how do i add a Content-Type header to the response from a django view"
06:08 πŸ”— winr4r which isn't to denigrate the people who answer the questions, but you have an objective standard for "is this comment good"
06:10 πŸ”— winr4r on some other place, it'll be "does this agree with my politics/upbringing/tastes/attitude" so voting systems self-organise into big ol' circle-jerks elsewhere
06:13 πŸ”— omf_ I don't think it is subject matter so much as question quality
06:13 πŸ”— omf_ If the question is not open ended, my opinion, views, attitude circle jerk
06:13 πŸ”— omf_ example
06:13 πŸ”— omf_ Why is Linux good?
06:13 πŸ”— omf_ vs
06:14 πŸ”— omf_ Why is Linux a good solution for this model of watch?
06:14 πŸ”— winr4r omf_: you don't even differ with my asssessment :)
06:14 πŸ”— omf_ A simple correct answer: Because it support watch xyz hardware
06:14 πŸ”— winr4r whoah too many S's
06:15 πŸ”— omf_ I am just rephrasing for the others reading :)
06:15 πŸ”— omf_ Lets take this a step further
06:15 πŸ”— omf_ If SO/SE generates great questions and answers licensed under CC what is next? According to Jeff Atwood it is Discourse
06:16 πŸ”— omf_ which solves that kind of fact finding mission. HN is about news
06:16 πŸ”— omf_ so is reddit, slashdot, fark, etc...
06:18 πŸ”— omf_ reddit is all about comedy and bs unless it is a subreddit that is heavily moderated
06:18 πŸ”— omf_ HN is all ego
06:19 πŸ”— omf_ yes there are more fools posting now it is summer and all the cell phone internet peeps
06:21 πŸ”— omf_ I would take the news on a multiple day delay if I could get more quality out of it
06:21 πŸ”— omf_ Some communities do once a week newsletters with all the important stories. The problem is still editor biases
06:22 πŸ”— winr4r yup.
06:22 πŸ”— winr4r with all this said i've actually been to HN like three times in my life, all of them briefly
06:24 πŸ”— arrith1 winr4r: where do you usually go?
06:26 πŸ”— winr4r arrith1: for computer-related news? i don't
06:27 πŸ”— godane http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/06/22/0025213/citrix-founder-and-key-os2-player-ed-iacobucci-dead-at-59
06:30 πŸ”— godane https://twitter.com/Ed_Iacobucci
06:30 πŸ”— godane some one please back up his twitter account
06:34 πŸ”— winr4r hey godane
06:35 πŸ”— arrith1 technically all tweets are supposedly going to the library of congress. at least when trying to get twitter feeds from Google Reader's cache, it gives a lot of errors when it doesn't usually
06:35 πŸ”— godane hey
06:43 πŸ”— DFJustin omf_: requiring accounts is not even necessarily a net positive, see the points at http://wakaba.c3.cx/shii/
06:51 πŸ”— omf_ Either way you will need a dedicated team of moderators to police the board for trolling and nonsense.
06:51 πŸ”— omf_ which appears to be one of the conclusions
06:55 πŸ”— omf_ Also anonymous forums get more spam since the barrier to post is lower. Look at our wiki for example. We had to put a pass phrase on account creation and it went from thousands of spam posts a day to none
06:56 πŸ”— omf_ SketchCow, Smiley GLaDOS and others spent weeks cleaning that shit up
06:58 πŸ”— DFJustin that's more just because nobody was keeping an eye on it
06:58 πŸ”— DFJustin as someone who has adminned a vbulletin, trust me they get p l e n t y of spam registrations
07:05 πŸ”— omf_ DFJustin, that is about cleaning it up not about prevention. A good spammer automates everything possible and the conventional solution is to throw up barriers to automation like captcha
07:05 πŸ”— omf_ and verified email
07:07 πŸ”— omf_ Our wiki barrier works better because it requires someone to understand the registration process and come to irc to get the code. Now if spammers got it and started messing up the wiki we would just change the pass phrase
07:07 πŸ”— omf_ and erase the crap they posted
07:11 πŸ”— omf_ Trolling is different of course and spamming can be a tool in a trolls arsenal
07:15 πŸ”— arrith1 i had hoped the wiki spam would stop with a good enough captcha
07:15 πŸ”— arrith1 but they just kept signing up
07:16 πŸ”— arrith1 there's also some mediawiki plugin that lets sites share info about spammers iirc, has some auto-updating blocklist
07:19 πŸ”— omf_ One approach I cannot recall seeing in the wild is running a spam filter over forums
07:19 πŸ”— omf_ just like with email
07:21 πŸ”— omf_ not just things like not allowing posts with urls and the like
07:22 πŸ”— omf_ I mean someone reports a spam message and then that fingerprint is used to check future and past messages
07:23 πŸ”— arrith1 i figure the same could be done with usernames
07:29 πŸ”— winr4r omf_: akismet?
07:30 πŸ”— winr4r and there's another thing out there which blocks bad behaviour based on signatures (like user agents and the like), which apparently keeps out a whole lot of bad actors
07:31 πŸ”— winr4r (by "bad actors" i mean bots, not trolls or golden raspberry winners)
07:32 πŸ”— omf_ mollom
07:33 πŸ”— winr4r akismet is for comments, but from what i can tell, automated forum spam seems to act exactly like blog comment spam
07:34 πŸ”— winr4r omf_: was mollom formerly known as something else?
07:34 πŸ”— omf_ nope
07:47 πŸ”— winr4r hm
08:15 πŸ”— omf_ http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/16/snowden-whistleblower-nsa-officials-roundtable/2428809/
08:16 πŸ”— omf_ 3 previous whistle blowers are talking about how they have been trying to stop it for years
09:46 πŸ”— Smiley rawr
18:51 πŸ”— underscor God, I feel amazing
18:51 πŸ”— winr4r that's because you are!
18:51 πŸ”— * underscor giggles
18:52 πŸ”— underscor Thanks1
18:52 πŸ”— underscor !*
18:52 πŸ”— underscor I appreciate that :3
18:52 πŸ”— winr4r :)
18:52 πŸ”— underscor Boyfriend's in town~
18:52 πŸ”— winr4r what happened, anyway? did you actually get sleep or something?
18:52 πŸ”— underscor I'm totally exhausted
18:52 πŸ”— winr4r oh, awesome
18:52 πŸ”— underscor We walked like, 10 miles around the city yesterday
18:52 πŸ”— underscor then (blush) had some... bed time.
18:53 πŸ”— underscor And this morning I took some stuff.
18:53 πŸ”— underscor And anyway.
18:55 πŸ”— underscor :P
18:55 πŸ”— winr4r are you more productive on drugs or less
18:56 πŸ”— underscor muuuuuuuch more
18:56 πŸ”— underscor but I have a hrd time typeing
18:56 πŸ”— winr4r hooray!
18:56 πŸ”— underscor hard time typing*
18:56 πŸ”— winr4r well, whatever sinks your sub
18:57 πŸ”— underscor heh
18:57 πŸ”— underscor that's a sad way to put it
18:58 πŸ”— winr4r hey, submarines are meant to sink, like boats are meant to float
18:59 πŸ”— underscor yeah
18:59 πŸ”— underscor but sinking has a poor conotation
18:59 πŸ”— underscor (sp?)
18:59 πŸ”— winr4r connotation
18:59 πŸ”— winr4r i think
19:00 πŸ”— underscor thanks
19:00 πŸ”— underscor that looks better
19:01 πŸ”— winr4r it does :)
19:03 πŸ”— winr4r hey mistym!
19:03 πŸ”— mistym Hey winr4r!
19:11 πŸ”— winr4r in case anyone missed it in the on-topic channel: http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=In_The_Media
19:11 πŸ”— winr4r i'm collecting media mentions of archive team there
19:11 πŸ”— winr4r if anyone knows of any that i have missed, fix it/tell me and i'll fix it
19:16 πŸ”— winr4r when the spanish state broadcaster literally calls you superheroes, you're doing a fine thing
19:45 πŸ”— dashcloud so, this is a strange ad in gmail: We Scrub Your C Drive $29 - advanceremote.net - 60% off while supplies last We Scrub via Remote, you can Watch
19:46 πŸ”— winr4r hm
19:46 πŸ”— winr4r 1) "while supplies last"?
19:46 πŸ”— underscor lol
19:47 πŸ”— underscor "We ran out of format.exe"
19:47 πŸ”— winr4r i actually forgot what 2) was going to be
19:48 πŸ”— underscor B) what about my other drives? D:
19:48 πŸ”— winr4r haha
19:50 πŸ”— winr4r so that's like sadism for computers
19:50 πŸ”— winr4r or a sadism/cuckoldry crossover
19:51 πŸ”— winr4r "i'm going to scrub your C: drive and you're going to WATCH"
19:51 πŸ”— * underscor moans
19:54 πŸ”— winr4r in computer world, proud eight-core machines strut in business suits through king's cross station on their way to doing Important Things, a couple of Pentium 4s sit around asking passers-by for change, cards in the phone booths read "We Scrub Your C Drive $29"
20:08 πŸ”— DFJustin I KEEP SCRUBBING BUT I DON'T FEEL CLEAN
20:09 πŸ”— winr4r DFJustin: did you sign up for a yahoo account?
20:09 πŸ”— winr4r it's okay son, you did the right thing
20:09 πŸ”— omf_ winr4r, I was thinking we should also have a wiki page for the articles people write about the technology we build for At. What do you think?
20:10 πŸ”— winr4r omf_: that is a very worthy subject
20:10 πŸ”— winr4r the stuff you guys have built is *amazing*
20:10 πŸ”— omf_ I think all projects like this that build open source software should take a more proactive stance in marketing
20:11 πŸ”— omf_ Right now we got twitter covered and started working over facebook
20:14 πŸ”— winr4r omf_: talking to some tech/nerd site to get them to cover AT's distributed crawling system would be awesome, because it's a marvel
20:15 πŸ”— winr4r but a descriptive article on the wiki about the technology would be neat
20:15 πŸ”— omf_ I have been working on that. The first page is http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Tracker
20:17 πŸ”— omf_ There are a lot of moving parts, a lot
20:17 πŸ”— omf_ and most of this knowledge is buried in different brains
20:18 πŸ”— omf_ And these brains live in different timezones
20:18 πŸ”— omf_ actually I should just do most of it over email instead of irc
20:19 πŸ”— omf_ I even have diagrams I have been working on
20:20 πŸ”— winr4r omf_: i'm a reasonably-good writer for semi-technical and technical audiences
20:20 πŸ”— omf_ Documentation is the great failure of most projects. Everyone knows its value but do not put the effort in. http://pad.archivingyoursh.it/p/faqs is the newest thing I am working on
20:20 πŸ”— winr4r omf_: i've always been a good documenter
20:23 πŸ”— winr4r if SketchCow set me on re-working something on the wiki, i'd do it in a heartbeat, but short of that i don't like stepping on toes, or inventing new toes
20:23 πŸ”— omf_ well I got you covered then winr4r cause I know what the wiki needs
20:23 πŸ”— winr4r because toes usually turn out to be stealthed crotch-kicks
20:23 πŸ”— omf_ 1. FAQs
20:24 πŸ”— omf_ 2. How to use the wiki
20:24 πŸ”— omf_ 3. How to panic grab a site
20:24 πŸ”— omf_ One of the key problems is how we are going to get rid of duplicate content. I was thinking linked subpages since we are using mediawiki
20:25 πŸ”— omf_ http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=How_to_use_our_wiki
20:27 πŸ”— omf_ This way we could share already written material to the FAQ
20:27 πŸ”— omf_ and between projects like some of the questions on posterous apply to xanga
20:28 πŸ”— * winr4r thinks
20:29 πŸ”— omf_ Our documentation is getting so robust that we have these issues now
20:37 πŸ”— omf_ winr4r, I was thinking of changing the format of In_The_Media to start each entry with date published
20:37 πŸ”— omf_ Just so people can scan the length of history faster
20:38 πŸ”— winr4r omf_: it's already in date order
20:38 πŸ”— winr4r (sorry for going quiet, decided to watch "lock stock")
20:39 πŸ”— omf_ "2013-06-11 - And the Winner IsҀ¦ Announcing the 2013 NDSA Innovation Award Winners" as the lead line instead of just the title. I don't know the list just seem un-optimal
21:20 πŸ”— joepie91 halp!
21:20 πŸ”— joepie91 if I've recorded a live performance at a theater
21:20 πŸ”— joepie91 who should I define as author in the upload
21:21 πŸ”— joepie91 and how should I define the performing artists (with what metatag)?
21:22 πŸ”— joepie91 cc omf_, underscor perhaps
21:23 πŸ”— xmc joepie91: I think etree.org has some quality guides
21:23 πŸ”— xmc also http://archive.org/details/etree
21:25 πŸ”— joepie91 can't seem to find anything about metadata :/
21:27 πŸ”— joepie91 urgh
21:27 πŸ”— joepie91 :P
21:27 πŸ”— joepie91 I'll fix the metadata later
21:28 πŸ”— joepie91 I am amazed at the video quality of a 50 euro photo camera
21:46 πŸ”— arrith1 omf_: thanks for working on documentation, that is a tough job
21:50 πŸ”— joepie91 http://archive.org/details/TheLoadsGoesChasse
21:51 πŸ”— joepie91 just uploaded, still being derived
21:51 πŸ”— joepie91 3GB for 20 minutes... ._.
22:35 πŸ”— DFJustin adding some free science fiction ebook cd-roms https://archive.org/search.php?query=collection%3Acdbbsarchive&sort=-publicdate
23:40 πŸ”— godane i'm mirror the boilingfrog website
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