#archiveteam-bs 2013-07-03,Wed

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00:32 🔗 joepie91 I'd like some feedback from Python devs: http://docs.python.org/2/library/stdtypes.html#string-methods (original docs) vs http://cryto.net/~joepie91/python-docs/strings.html (my version of the docs, work in progress)
01:49 🔗 arrith1 joepie91: probably some official python-discuss would be good for that, if you think it's ready for that point
01:49 🔗 joepie91 I'll be writing stuff on my own at first anyway
01:49 🔗 joepie91 to establish a proper standard for it
01:58 🔗 joepie91 anyway, arrith1, what do you think about readability/clarity/non-ambiguity/newbie-friendliness?
02:09 🔗 arrith1 joepie91: i'm a bit sleep deprived so anything i say is iffy but i like the extra info like errors, and i notice the official docs say "Return" and your's says "Returns"
02:10 🔗 joepie91 :P
02:10 🔗 joepie91 actually the official docs sometimes say return and sometimes say returns
02:10 🔗 joepie91 I always use returns
02:16 🔗 arrith1 ah
02:24 🔗 winr4r it's interesting
02:25 🔗 winr4r "returns" makes sense if you're saying "this function returns", "return" if "this function will return"
02:27 🔗 winr4r and which of those is correct kind of depends on the way you mentally map a function onto a thing that can be described
02:27 🔗 winr4r like, does a function always exist, or only when you call it?
02:27 🔗 winr4r and if that program isn't even running anywhere in the world at a moment in time, is "this function returns" even true?
02:28 🔗 winr4r again, there's no right answer, and i tend towards the "returns" usage
02:29 🔗 winr4r it does illuminate linguistic biases/mental maps, though
02:45 🔗 arrith1 winr4r: there should be a standard at least :P
07:55 🔗 godane so i just figured out that i was blute forcing gbtv/theblaze xml to hard
07:55 🔗 godane i was error pages when i should have been
07:57 🔗 godane just puting a wait of 0.1 seconds stops that
09:58 🔗 Smiley hmm
09:59 🔗 Smiley are offical playstation 2 mags on the archive at all?
09:59 🔗 * Smiley looks at a forum he frequents and the discssion of old mags people have
13:44 🔗 SketchCow Not yet
13:47 🔗 godane i know there are a few scans from UK or NZ edition of called the offical playstation 2 magazine
13:50 🔗 SketchCow You know, magazine and book scanning is happening at a pretty fantastic rate.
13:50 🔗 SketchCow But we're behind here and there.
13:50 🔗 SketchCow Next is for ComputerMagazines to have a proper menu on front page.
14:00 🔗 Smiley SketchCow: can I take that to mean there is already a physical archive of said items?
14:01 🔗 SketchCow There are multiple
14:01 🔗 SketchCow Playstation 2 magazine, not specifically
14:04 🔗 DFJustin on a related note, are there physical copies of Amiga Format, someone was complaining about the scan quality in another channel
14:06 🔗 SketchCow I don't have them, specifically.
14:06 🔗 SketchCow Like, here
14:08 🔗 SketchCow So, part of what I'm trying to do with archive.org is that everything goes up.
14:08 🔗 SketchCow Everybody looks at them, and goes "man, we really fucked up XXX"
14:08 🔗 SketchCow And that now there's a reason to make a new not-fucked XXX
14:13 🔗 Smiley maaaaaan
14:13 🔗 Smiley i so badly wish I could be a IA guy D:
14:14 🔗 Smiley i feel so jelly
14:17 🔗 Smiley on the other hand bunch of 250Gb satas coming my way at work, ireally need a ..... bay thingy
14:26 🔗 ersi that's.. nothing o_o
14:40 🔗 Smiley ersi: it is for me :D
14:43 🔗 BlueMax Smiley is storage challenged
14:44 🔗 Smiley indeed.
14:48 🔗 BlueMax he goes up to random people on the street holding a bowl with a small flash drive in it
14:48 🔗 BlueMax "please sir may I have some more"
14:48 🔗 antomatic Are there any 'bulk scanning' outposts in the UK? I find myself in possession of far too many old computer magazines (and cover CDs.. and cover floppies, such is the age of the collection.)
14:49 🔗 antomatic This legacy 'analogue paper' format is very nice, but also means I can barely fit into my room. :)
14:51 🔗 Smiley where abouts you located btw antomatic `?not that I can help...
14:52 🔗 antomatic Down in Hampshire. Land of forests, and trees, and old magazines. :)
14:53 🔗 antomatic I used to be/still am something of a hoarder already, and a family friend passed away last year, supplementing the magazine collection considerably.
14:54 🔗 antomatic Including some magazines which are NOT about computers - I can't imagine what purpose those would have.
14:54 🔗 antomatic Who knew that such a thing existed?
14:55 🔗 antomatic I can (and probably will) ISO all the CDs, that's fine - it's the paper that's the problem.
14:56 🔗 Baljem I understand there's at least one other popular genre of magazines
14:56 🔗 Baljem apparently they grow wild in bushes near bus stops
14:56 🔗 Baljem ... but the rise of the internet may have made them markedly less popular ;)
14:57 🔗 antomatic ahem. :)
14:58 🔗 antomatic That could be an interesting experiment.. leaving 20-year-old copies of 'Computer Shopper'* near bus-stops. :)
14:58 🔗 antomatic * - UK title, no relation to US one of similar name
14:59 🔗 Smiley was that the almost phonebook like one?
14:59 🔗 Baljem hah. "Phwoar, look at the expansion slots on that!", said nobody, ever.
14:59 🔗 antomatic that's the ones, Smiley.
14:59 🔗 Smiley those were epic
14:59 🔗 Smiley like £4 and take 3 months to get through.
14:59 🔗 antomatic "Ohhhh, 512 megs of RAM for £399! Yes! Yes! Yes"
15:00 🔗 antomatic At first they were mostly articles, in later years they were mostly adverts. :)
15:02 🔗 antomatic I've just gone and grabbed one at random - two cover CDs, and 968 pages of solid magazine thickness.
15:02 🔗 Smiley :))
15:02 🔗 antomatic (albeit mostly advertising - but still irresistible.)
15:02 🔗 Smiley some of the adverts were good though
15:02 🔗 Smiley proper infomercial style.
15:02 🔗 Smiley love it.
15:02 🔗 Smiley I wouldn't love scaning one of them in ::?
15:02 🔗 Baljem pfft. I remember the excitement when I bought the first issue of PC Plus to come with two 360KB floppies on the front, instead of just one
15:03 🔗 antomatic I'm not sure I could get my way through one. :)
15:03 🔗 Baljem not sure I remember what program justified that, though. when they stuck Lotus Symphony on the cover disk they needed four floppies, from memory
15:03 🔗 antomatic They're perfect-bound as well (phonebook style, as you say) so you'd virtually have to destroy them to get a good edge-to-edge scan.
15:03 🔗 antomatic I bought a couple of PC Plus-es back in the day. Ahh, memories.
15:05 🔗 Baljem I took it for twenty years, give or take. lost most of my collection when I was at university, though, and my parents decided it was taking up too much space in the attic - I think they kept one issue per year, or something
15:05 🔗 antomatic ouch.
15:05 🔗 antomatic I'd shove the lot in the recycling in a heartbeat if I thought the publishers had (or would make available) decent digital copies, but my guess is that they almost certainly won't have - or wouldn't make them available, anyway.
15:06 🔗 Baljem stopped taking it sometime last year, as it was just sitting in its wrapper until I forgot about it :/
15:06 🔗 antomatic I had the same problem, Baljem - just too much to read
15:07 🔗 Baljem I /think/ Future put back issues of PC Plus on the cover disk in later years - I really should dig through what I have and see if there are PDFs of the early issues
15:08 🔗 Baljem whoa, unless I'm utterly sucking at navigating the web it appears the magazine folded sometime last year
15:08 🔗 antomatic I also appear to have acquired 42 kilograms of National Geographic (1962-1977) although I understand they're very digitally available now. :)
15:08 🔗 Baljem blimey. now I feel bad about not renewing my subscription for those last six months...
15:09 🔗 antomatic I think a lot of tech magazines have had hard times recently
15:12 🔗 Baljem yeah. PC Plus had got worryingly thin - almost on a par with weeklies like New Scientist or Amateur Pornographer - yet was twice the price or more
15:13 🔗 Baljem and basically covered news anybody interested in PCs had read on the web a week before publication...
15:18 🔗 godane SketchCow: This has your name all over it: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Huge-Lot-342-CD-ROMs-Games-Apps-Utilities-Tutorials-Drivers-Education-/330941711832?pt=US_Wholesale_Software&hash=item4d0da9c5d8
15:47 🔗 BlueMax holy jeezus
19:46 🔗 SketchCow Godane: Done, bought
21:19 🔗 joepie91 SketchCow, I'd like your feedback on something: at times, recordings of afterhoursdjs.org fail because of network blips and such, and they are marked 'incomplete'
21:19 🔗 joepie91 so far I've not uploaded those to IA, just kept them in my own archive
21:19 🔗 joepie91 and they usually range anywhere from 10KB to 100MB
21:19 🔗 joepie91 what should I do with them?
21:19 🔗 joepie91 they're not complete livesets usually, just bits and pieces
21:22 🔗 joepie91 ie http://ahdjs.archive.cryto.net/Incomplete/
21:43 🔗 Smiley do they "play" joepie91 ?
21:43 🔗 Smiley If so, upload them and tag them as incomplete.
21:56 🔗 joepie91 Smiley: every single one of them is valid, format-wise
21:56 🔗 joepie91 just some of them are literally less than a second of audio
22:06 🔗 omf_ I would keep anything over 5 seconds
22:06 🔗 godane hackaday is still going strong
22:10 🔗 SketchCow joepie91: I'd shove them in a remainders bin.
22:10 🔗 SketchCow A single item
22:11 🔗 joepie91 SketchCow: alright, and add new incomplete files to that same item later?
22:12 🔗 joepie91 or just add an 'incomplete' item with new incomplete stuff now and then?
22:13 🔗 SketchCow Right
22:14 🔗 SketchCow Just keep pumping it up
22:14 🔗 SketchCow I mean, if you feel a need of it needing to be saved.
22:14 🔗 SketchCow Just to have a record
22:23 🔗 joepie91 well, that was the intention
22:23 🔗 joepie91 it's very possible that no complete copy of a certain liveset will ever exist
22:23 🔗 joepie91 publicly available, that is
22:23 🔗 joepie91 so then half a copy is better than 0
22:26 🔗 xmc aye
23:15 🔗 godane so i have to redo hackaday 2012 urls
23:15 🔗 godane i'm doing it by month from 2012 on
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