[00:44] so 2012 episodes of triangulation is uploaded now [01:32] Does anyone else feel that traditional archivists and academics are just not cutting it? I watched some more of the digpre 2013 video and it is just disappointing. [01:33] Maybe watching tech talks from the computer industry in which you have to actually build something that works... I understand academia is really slow moving but society now moves faster in part and parcel because of computers [01:34] I was impressed with the commoncrawl work [01:36] Also the Internet Archive talk [01:36] it is on day 2 [01:40] This brings up a side issue that has always bothered my about academia [01:40] Tenure [01:41] You get it, then you just slack off the rest of your career [01:41] It creates this stale institutionalism in which the good old boys keep all the power [01:42] I have been doing more deep reading on communities and the like and shit like that is a killer [01:42] omf_: totally. I'm getting very frustrated with that precise issue right now [01:42] lots of places put term limits in place [01:42] at work [01:43] yeah yipdw that is where most people see this problem [01:44] You got some boss somewhere who has been around since the stone age and is completely inept at keeping up and improving the job and work place [01:44] At a previous job I spent two years on an employee retention committee and I had to talk with employees once a month for a few minutes to take the pulse of the workforce [01:45] I learned just as much from what people didn't say [01:46] fastest way to sour a work environment, don't listen to the people you hired to get the job done [01:46] These fucking clowns say they are relevant and doing shit and compared to the rest of the world they are just sitting on the pot [01:46] constipated [01:48] The flip side is we are collecting and we can also do the research and spread the findings [01:48] This isn't like before the 1980s where information was locked into buildings and books [01:49] yipdw, tell us more about work :) [01:50] omf_: the short version is that I'm trying to make it easier for developers to own their applications and I'm hitting a lot of political and organizational resistance from people who aren't developers [01:50] aah [01:50] it's not impossible to deal with, but it is very frustrating [01:51] because I'm really trying to make the bottom line better and it's just an uphill battle for no good reason [01:52] I assume you have been couching your argument in the dumb terms they understand like better products, cost saving, blah blah blah [01:52] I work in a healthcare setting, which may explain some of the resistance [01:52] oh fuck that whole industry is fucked [01:52] there are of course regulations etc etc to abide by [01:52] burn it down and start over [01:52] my argument is that we can automate and streamline it to make development easier, more affordable, faster [01:53] I'm trying to prototype it and even that is hitting resistance [01:53] and yeah, I'm starting to come to your conclusion [01:53] there is a great line in Producing Open Source Software about the advantages of automation [01:54] I cannot even get a list of what shots I had in the past and when they are do because everyone uses fucking non-standard paper forms [01:54] what kinda shit is that in 2013 [01:54] yeah, I can rant about that for hours [01:54] days [01:54] :P [01:54] I can fucking pay bills, buy shit, balance my finances, play games, consume media and yet doctors == paper floods [01:55] oh I bet you have seen some shit [01:55] anyway, yeah, hitting institutional barriers even when you have objective ammo to say "look, here are our regulations and here's how we can probably streamline 75% of this shit out" is highly demoralizing [01:55] it's fractal CYA [01:56] I remember SketchCow once saying about how he never wanted to deal with corporate douchebaggery again [01:56] talk about the right decision [01:57] yeah that is why I am moving into telecommuting, it helps relieve some of that shit [01:57] no watercooler crap, no fights over offices [01:57] Man one dude I worked with never even gave me a chance because when I started working there I got the office he always wanted [01:58] and of course I had zero say in the decision [01:58] well, it's less office politics and more trying to find a way around all the scar tissue that's built up in the institution around PII laws and the like [01:58] office politics are great where I am, and by "great" I mean "they don't exist" [01:58] that is the best way to have them [01:59] it's just dealing with the rest of the institution that's like "jesus fucking christ, you people" [01:59] That is why you should be allowed to drink at work [02:00] people do bring in beer [02:00] Honestly ArchiveTeam should be at these conferences talking about what is getting done instead of a group of limp noodles talking about what they hope they might possibly do in the future [02:01] speaking of that, I should spin up more xanga grabbers [02:07] yeah I gotta finish grabbing buzzdata [02:11] ooh, neat [02:11] EC2 spot instance price for US-East is $0.005 [02:11] and Xanga is in New York, I think [02:12] :D [02:18] And Xanga has blocked EC2 ranges, I believe. [02:32] some of them [02:33] I have three EC2 spot instances in their Northern California region still running [02:33] or, at least, the grabber code hasn't detected the blocking [02:39] GLaDOS: actually, I think you're right [02:39] www.xanga.com isn't returning anything from US-East [02:39] so much for these spots [02:40] still responds from Northern California, though [02:45] beat em up beat em up rah rah rah [03:14] so I got one of those chameleon 64 fpga cartridges we were talking about the other day, it works well standalone, unfortunately both my c64s are too far gone to work properly, even with the chameleon replacing most of the innards :( [04:20] that's a shame Justin [04:20] so they actually do work as standalone C64s [04:20] interesting [04:31] how do you connect them up to a display? [04:44] so you guys are getting some boot discs soon [04:51] I do love a good bootsing. [05:30] uploaded: https://archive.org/details/cdrom-boot-disc-01 [05:31] BlueMax: there's a vga port on it [05:32] didn't work very well on the monitors I tried but works ok on the tv [05:33] I tried installing updated firmware and now it's being cranky and not working properly so I will have to fight with that some other time [05:35] nice find on the disc godane [05:37] it's nice someone is making replacement hardware though because c64s basically die if you look at them funny http://www.oldsoftware.com/caring.html [05:50] you will be getting some very old aol software too in these cds [05:52] looks like disc 2 has some aol software [05:55] uploaded: https://archive.org/details/cdrom-boot-disc-02 [05:58] nice aol commercial http://archive.org/download/cdrom-boot-disc-02/boot-disc-1996-10.iso/bootCD%2FMOVIES%2FAOLMOV.AVI [06:21] uploaded: https://archive.org/details/cdrom-boot-disc-03 [06:50] uploaded: https://archive.org/details/cdrom-boot-disc-04 [07:13] * winr4r hugs godane [07:14] uploaded: https://archive.org/details/cdrom-boot-disc-05 [07:16] throwing up some duke nukem 3D level cds [07:19] you guys are also getting some maximum cds too [07:20] i got all pre 2000 cds imaged scanned so can at least upload those [08:20] i must have got DFJustin motivated [08:28] anyways going to bed [08:28] i'm uploading g4 videos and push one future music dvd i got from piratebay [10:09] oh it gets more fun [10:09] the UK internet filter will block "web forums". [10:09] XD [10:09] yes, plz block facebook by default and have every customer ever screaming at their ISP's [10:09] also watch productivity in the UK rise by 900% [10:09] :D [10:12] one of the reasons i have stayed with my ISP, is that they seem to go unnoticed by court orders and the like [10:12] like, the pirate bay is supposedly blocked by big ISPs [10:12] i can access it just fine [10:13] also, SmileyG, where are you in the UK? [10:13] dCoventry. [10:13] like accessing the pirate bay is 1. important, 2. actually not possible [10:13] 3. torrentz.net [10:13] Why search one torrent site, when you can search them ALL? [10:17] for legal materials, of course! [10:18] nah, just for personal backups that I misplaced [10:23] i don't even pirate stuff, i like being with an ISP that can slip under the radar in that way [10:35] so some guy on myspleen has a lord of the rings promo dvds [10:35] i getting you guys a copy [10:36] These DVDs (PAL format, ALL region)produced to promote Peter Jackson's chapters in epic "The Lord Of The Rings" trilogy. They include NEVER RELEASED Electronic Press Kit footage featuring interviews and behind the scenes B-roll. All Press Kit footage was sourced from proffesional broadcast BetacamSP master tapes, so it's simply THE BEST QUALITY! BetacamSP tapes were given only to selected members of the media for producing [10:36] nice, nice. [10:37] of course i feel like i need faster upload speed for this one [10:38] its like 30gb [10:38] give link? [10:38] http://www.myspleen.org/details.php?id=11954 [10:39] wants login [10:40] its a private torrrent site [10:40] thought you had a invite [10:47] sweet, sorted :) [10:48] now you can be the guy to mirror myspeen crap [10:50] hmmm yes [10:50] kind of [10:50] * SmileyG really needs to grab a VPs for this kind of thing [10:51] they got any limits on ratio etc? [10:52] ratio is not really look at too closely [10:52] but i would at least try to get +0.3 or 0.5 [10:55] fairt enoguh [10:55] wow i really can't type today [10:55] * SmileyG goes away [11:01] any ways right now its freeleech [11:01] on myspeen [11:01] if your see the 'Freeleech is ON' on the top of the page like i am [11:05] more like mypeen hoaroarharfa [11:06] uploaded: https://archive.org/details/dvdrom-future-music-2011-09 [11:13] DFJustin, I await with baited breath for Duke Nukem :D [11:17] Duke Nukem is also in my boot cd 1 i uploaded [11:18] Duke Numem 3D [11:18] awesome godane another of your uploads I will be downloading promptly [11:18] shareware [11:18] i think so [11:18] sweet I do not have a copy of that any more [11:19] I have the full game, plutonium pak, and the special edition [11:19] funny that the first disc talks about smart agents and offline browsers [11:19] is part of the lot you just got in the mail? [11:19] yes [11:20] * winr4r hugs omf_ [11:22] also stuff like this that was in the slipcover: https://archive.org/download/cdrom-boot-disc-03/note-aol-front.jpg [11:22] (ᵔᴥᵔ) [11:23] and back: https://archive.org/download/cdrom-boot-disc-03/note-aol-back.jpg [11:23] this is just the 15 hours aol notes [11:24] issue 4 disc had aol note in the slipcover too [11:24] I should scan in all my original AOL pre-1.0 to 4.0 disks and mailers I got. I kept them all because a friend from middle school's dad was a high up programmer there so I got free accounts all the time :) [11:24] it said 50 hours of free trail [11:25] At the time we were very excited that county wide services like AOL, compuserve, prodigy were doing their thing since we were used to bbs systems for so long [11:27] bbs systems to me is like hoping on to some ones local wifi in today's world [11:27] hm [11:28] i just realised i have some old cover discs and the like in the loft [11:28] ALSO THAT THIS COMPUTER HAS A FLOPPY DRIVE [11:28] get 'er done [11:28] I bought a usb floppy a while back for disks, now that most of my old photos are scanned in disks are next. [11:33] omf_: what do you use for photo scanning? [11:34] I was scanning prints in with a flatbed at 800dpi in tiff with no color correction [11:34] In the future I am looking into a bulk feed film scanner to do them all high res [11:35] I should have started with a film scanner but they were and still are expensive for a quality one [11:35] live and learn. [11:36] Actually the best scenario is finding a place to rent the scanner or a walk in place where you pay to use equipment and diy [11:36] omf_: you didn't answer the question! [11:36] and yes [11:36] you mean software? [11:36] omf_: no, what hardware [11:37] something like an agfa d-lab would be lovely [11:37] An old Epson Perfection scanner [11:37] the scans from those are insanely fucking sharp, even at 6mp [11:37] before that I used an HP 4 scsi scanner [11:37] 3-shot CCD [11:37] so, more like 12 megapixel because they're not using interpolation [11:38] The next paper scanner I get is going to be a bulk feed one. I have 10 milk crates full of magazines to scan [11:38] omf_: DIY book scanner? [11:39] nah these mags are going to get the spine cut. [11:39] duuuude [11:39] Did I mention I already have 2-3 of each issue. ;P [11:39] got you [11:40] HAD ME WORRIED THERE [11:41] If I only had one of each I would use a camera + lightbox diy book scanning setup [11:41] i really need to get my scanner to work in linux [11:41] cause once i get it working in linux i will be scanning every other day [11:42] and that the same time i'm uploading crap [11:42] omf_: but i don't see that buying a couple of canon point-and-shoots is going to be more expensive than getting a bulk feed scanner [11:44] I have a canon 5d mark 2 and a rebel t2i already and pro lighting from gigs I worked before. I don't need to really buy anything else. My first solution to most problems is figuring out how to MacGyver a solution from stuff I already own. Damn 80s tv corrupted my mind. :D [11:44] based on what i can tell opticbook 3600 is supported [11:44] the 4800 series is not [11:44] omf_: dude! [11:44] you have all the stuff right now [11:44] I have most of that stuff because I did a good deal of lightbox photography [11:45] I don't have the space to full set everything up. I moved my home office to a different room and I am still trying to get all this figured out [11:45] omf_: will it be that much bigger than a bulk scanner? [11:46] Which is why the photo scanning and paper scanning is getting done since it is not tucked away [11:46] just where the tripod legs go [11:46] Once I get it running I plan to take pictures of it and post all the info online [11:48] good stuff :) [11:49] When I started collecting most of this stuff I knew in the future there would be some place to house it [11:49] and the IA is much better than a standard brick and mortar museum [11:55] * winr4r nods. [14:09] guys, I uploaded an iso and a bin/cue for my item here: https://archive.org/details/ArtExplosion but only the bin/cue is showing (I can see the iso if I go to edit item)- any ideas? [14:10] The iso is there in the download list https://ia800906.us.archive.org/3/items/ArtExplosion/ As for it not being in the item information page ... maybe there is still a derive task running on it? [14:11] Also it might be that the mediatype is image when it should be software and that could change how IA processes and displays said item [14:12] so, I went with community media for that upload- what from the default choices should I pick? [14:15] Community media is the collection, image is the Mediatype [14:20] The mediatype determines how the item is displayed. It can be texts, image, software, etc... [14:21] Here is one I did as software mediatype and I got that nice CD?DVD list on the left. https://archive.org/details/debian-3.0r6_release_sparc [14:23] who is an archive.org admin in here other than SketchCow and underscor [14:30] godane, myself and a few others have access to curate certain collections but I know of no one else who has full blown admin access. [14:31] omf_: can you create collections under archive team and move stuff into them? [14:31] nope [14:32] omf_: bummer [14:41] for fans of clipart, there's lots uploaded, and plenty more on the way [15:41] dashcloud: love youuuuuuuuuu [15:42] glad you're happy with them [15:42] there should be around 42k clipart pieces so far [15:42] still got the two biggest sets to prepare and upload [15:45] I'm it. [15:45] * winr4r salutes SketchCow [15:46] Fixed ArtExplosion [15:46] SketchCow: can you move http://archive.org/details/snapjoy_images into the archive team collection plox [15:47] or move that and http://archive.org/details/snapjoy.com-20130715 into a subcollection [15:47] Moved. [15:47] No subcollection, it's too small. [15:47] yeah, truth [15:51] your talk at the digital preservation thing was great, btw [15:52] rare that you hear someone talk for like 10 minutes and actually want them to say more [15:58] http://i.imgur.com/z7ucjDq.png [15:58] winr4r: more rare that you hear someone talk for like 50 minutes and actually want them to say more [15:58] re: other Jason Scott talks :P [15:59] joepie91: absolutely [15:59] i think alternate-universe jason would be doing standup [16:00] yes :) [16:11] SketchCow: can you straighten out the collection/mediatype on the rest of my items? [17:54] WHAT FORSOOTH, PRITHEE TELL ME THE SECRET WORD [17:59] THY SECRET WORD IS 'yahoosucks' GO FORTH AND SAVE DATA :D [18:00] though I think that was supposed to go in #archiveteam :) [18:00] thanks! [18:01] I saved a bunch of websites that were/could go offline [18:01] do I go to #archiveteam to share them? [18:03] what kind of format did you save them in? [18:03] I use httrack [18:03] also, yes, perhaps #archiveteam is more suited for this conversation :) [18:03] k thanks [18:10] hi again, chivist! [18:10] this is where we talk about shit of no consequence [18:10] ah nice [18:10] like the weather [18:11] the Lidl here changed cheese suppliers [18:11] the new cheese is awesome, but the packaging is worthless [18:12] they might as well not have bothered putting one of those "open here" icons on there [18:12] because the whole thing falls apart when you touch it anyway [18:32] lol [18:37] wow the rain here [18:37] no rain here! [18:38] heh you need moar rain [18:42] this is gonna be awkward but I put the wrong username is the IRC client. It's redchivist. (that's my usrname on the website) [18:44] oh okay! [18:45] we love you anyway [18:55] :D [18:55] omf_: https://archive.org/search.php?query=collection%3Acdbbsarchive%20duke&sort=-publicdate [18:55] chivist: do /nick redchivist [18:56] do I just copy paste that? [18:56] yeah sure [18:56] oh hiii [18:56] o fuck [18:56] :) [18:56] whoop [18:56] haha [18:56] wut? [18:56] haha [18:56] what? [18:56] I lost my t [18:56] ha [18:56] might be too long [18:57] however easier to reccongise you this way. [18:57] yeah efnet is still in the 8 character age [18:58] t rdchivist if you're going to stalk me on twitter you could at least follow me <3 [18:59] ah [19:01] rdchivist do you have any old shareware CDs or magazine coverdiscs lying around [19:01] we're collecting them https://archive.org/details/cdbbsarchive [19:02] like anything? [19:02] (type of content) [19:02] software / clipart / fonts / that kind of thing [19:02] if you were a computer user in the 90s you'll know [19:04] well [19:04] the kind of thing where they just downloaded it all off the www and shoveled it onto a CD [19:04] I was BORN in the 90s [19:04] ah probably not then [19:06] well thanks for the help/discussion, i'm going to play around with wget and then make a sandwich [19:08] you might check this out too http://matkelly.com/wail/ [19:09] and you can create WARC files with that? [19:09] rdchivist: if you wanna learn how to use wget for warcs, you need to check our wiki [19:10] it's epic, and expanding all the time [19:10] DFJustin: hey, I was born in the 90s and I have a bunch of those discs! [19:11] gibb0r [19:12] [ 4.7 G ] Total space from 484 files were freed in the distfiles directory [19:12] SmileyG will do [20:04] joepie91: if you have any of those discs, you should definitely upload them! [20:05] :) [20:05] dashcloud: I'm already doing so actually [20:05] but I'm one SATA cable short of having a functional disk drive, ATM [20:05] and my external drive is slow as shit [20:05] that sucks [20:05] so I can't really continue with that rightt now [20:05] so unless someone wants to order me a $1 SATA cable... :P [20:06] (I can't acces my paypal atm, because seized hardware and keepass db...) [20:22] hope it all works out ok, joepie [22:41] so my computer friezed today [22:42] must have been cause i was moving files and uploading at the same time [22:46] Another CEO got fired for lying on a resume. This time about having a doctorate -> http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/25/embattled-president-of-american-academy-of-arts-and-sciences-to-resign/?_r=3 [22:46] What I don't get is everything I apply for a job they check the college to see if my degrees are real but a fucking elite academic honor society does not check the incoming presidents doctorate? [22:47] This is like those politicians in Europe recently who lost their jobs and cooking their resumes as well [22:50] I know people around the world everyday commit fraud to get ahead but I thought faking degrees was harder to get away with now because of the internet [23:01] so, reading that article, more than likely what did her in was lying on grant applications- I'd guess the government or funding organization didn't take too well to that [23:04] dashcloud, here is the previous article on it http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/2013/07/25/embattled-head-american-academy-arts-and-sciences-resigns-after-questions-about-resume/ffetbVpxdu7OesQrIUW13K/story.html [23:04] and this person gets a fucking half million for leaving [23:04] how about jail time instead [23:21] Also lying on a federal grant application is a crime in the US [23:23] he must know a guy or something [23:29] winr4r, poke [23:35] so i may grab labrats podcast for guys