#archiveteam-bs 2013-10-02,Wed

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05:33 πŸ”— ivan` joepie92: Cringely does not even understand why money has value
05:34 πŸ”— ivan` it has value because people holding onto it for long periods are betting on future demand for the money
05:34 πŸ”— ivan` BitCoin without speculators hoarding it has almost no value
05:35 πŸ”— joepie92 ivan`: not entirely correct
05:35 πŸ”— joepie92 good currencies (emphasis on 'good') have functional value
05:35 πŸ”— joepie92 that is, their ability to make exchange work well
05:35 πŸ”— joepie92 the more hassle there is in using a currency, the less inherent non-speculative value it'll have
05:36 πŸ”— joepie92 (which is exactly why Bitcoin becomes more valuable - and I'm not refering to exchange rate here - as the exchange and payment processing ecosystem around Bitcoin matures)
05:42 πŸ”— ivan` those things are about creating more short-term demand, which would still really be too small to give it billions in market cap
05:42 πŸ”— ivan` see http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2009/07/urs-crash-course-in-sound-economics.html and "The actual cause of the anomalous demand is no big mystery. It is the natural desire of many actors to make exchanges across time." and the rest
05:47 πŸ”— joepie92 ivan`: didn't say you were incorrect, just "not entirely correct" :)
05:47 πŸ”— ivan` okay :)
05:48 πŸ”— ivan` on a related note there's an interesting nitpick here http://mises.ca/posts/blog/are-bitcoins-money/
05:48 πŸ”— ivan` "If a price is defined in dollars and a user pays in bitcoin, the situation is analogous to buying a good with a share of equity. You will pay according to the prevailing exchange rate or market price, thus introducing some uncertainty to the transaction. (More to the point, it would be like paying with a share of a technology stock with no earnings Ҁ“ the purchasing power of which is determined s
05:48 πŸ”— ivan` olely by the expected future services to be provided.)"
05:52 πŸ”— joepie92 ivan`: the majority of my bills are denominated in dollars, yet I pay with euros through paypal...
05:52 πŸ”— joepie92 :|
05:54 πŸ”— ivan` good point
05:58 πŸ”— joepie92 ivan`: honestly, I don't think that [in the current economical climate] it makes sense to define what is money based on how it's used
05:58 πŸ”— joepie92 but rather it should be defined based on how it *can* be used
05:58 πŸ”— joepie92 actually
05:58 πŸ”— joepie92 s/economical/economical and technological/
05:59 πŸ”— joepie92 and I'd say that money is anything that has no inherent significant value beyond its ability to function as a means of exchange
05:59 πŸ”— ivan` making a divisible transmittable currency is the easy part, the hard part is convincing anyone that they should accept it
05:59 πŸ”— joepie92 where 'significant' is 'anything approaching the denomination'
06:00 πŸ”— joepie92 ivan`: it's the other way around, actually
06:00 πŸ”— joepie92 adoption is a more or less automatic process
06:00 πŸ”— joepie92 if you got the "usability" bit right
06:01 πŸ”— joepie92 once it has gained a little public awareness, it'll spread (slowly) if the concept is solid enough
06:01 πŸ”— joepie92 the tricky bit is making it solid enough
06:01 πŸ”— joepie92 why did LR become so successful? not because they were so good at convincing people/companies to accept it
06:01 πŸ”— joepie92 but because it provided a solid concept
06:01 πŸ”— joepie92 not bulletproof
06:02 πŸ”— joepie92 but solid for the audience that it attracted
06:02 πŸ”— joepie92 (that is, primarily the shady underbelly of the internet)
06:02 πŸ”— joepie92 (and they've always been targeting that audience)
06:02 πŸ”— ivan` a lot of people have to accept LR and trust that it will retain value for LR to become successful
06:03 πŸ”— ivan` technical soundness is just the first step
06:03 πŸ”— joepie92 ivan`: that process is nearly automatic
06:03 πŸ”— joepie92 there will always be people willing to take a little more risk
06:03 πŸ”— joepie92 once they have done so and it seems to work
06:03 πŸ”— joepie92 slightly more careful people join in
06:03 πŸ”— joepie92 and so on, and so on
06:03 πŸ”— joepie92 until it eventually grows big
06:03 πŸ”— joepie92 in fact
06:04 πŸ”— joepie92 it's likely that the companies that first started accepting Bitcoin, are mostly the same companies that were also early adopters of other 'alternative payment systems'
06:04 πŸ”— ivan` I'll have to think about your this-is-automatic argument, I suspect it is tautological
06:04 πŸ”— joepie92 the key thing is that a system doesn't collapse during its growth phase
06:05 πŸ”— joepie92 which requires the sound concept (which is not necessarily technical in nature)
06:05 πŸ”— joepie92 (just the ability to maintain the promises/observations that were made that initially attracted the userbase)
06:05 πŸ”— joepie92 for Bitcoin, that's the crypto can't-falsify can't-centrally-control bit
06:05 πŸ”— joepie92 for LR, that was the "anonymous account number and no anti-fraud mechanisms" bit, primarily
06:51 πŸ”— joepie92 HA!
06:51 πŸ”— joepie92 http://onbitcoin.com/2013/10/01/bitcoin-payment-processor-coinvoice-begins-accepting-payments/
06:51 πŸ”— joepie92 ΓƒΒ’Γ‚Β€Γ‚ΒœCoinvoice will really benefit businesses or independent contractors that want to continue to invoice their clients in dollars but who also want to receive bitcoins for the work they do. They can now do this without forcing their clients to adopt bitcoins themselves. We think this is a great way to lower the barrier to entry into the Bticoin ecosystem for certain businesses,Ҁ said Daniel Tobon, one of the Conformal team members.
06:52 πŸ”— joepie92 that's pretty much the reverse of coinbase, heh
07:37 πŸ”— godane https://twitter.com/Jamie_Rodda/status/385105027808768000/photo/1
07:46 πŸ”— godane anyways i'm starting to some head way with my scanner on linux
07:46 πŸ”— godane looks like it can detect by putting settings in gt68xx.conf
07:46 πŸ”— godane but still not working
08:41 πŸ”— joepie92 http://nist.gov/
08:41 πŸ”— joepie92 man
08:41 πŸ”— joepie92 NIST closed
08:41 πŸ”— joepie92 this is all kind of fucky
08:42 πŸ”— omf_ http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://nist.gov
08:42 πŸ”— joepie92 I was refering to NIST
08:42 πŸ”— joepie92 not nist.gov alone
08:42 πŸ”— joepie92 :|
08:42 πŸ”— joepie92 as in, the actual institute
08:43 πŸ”— joepie92 that is Very Bad for All Kinds Of Reasons
08:43 πŸ”— joepie92 anyway brb
09:11 πŸ”— GLaDOS Wait, is time.nist also down?
09:15 πŸ”— ivan` no, try ntpdate -d time.nist.gov
09:16 πŸ”— GLaDOS Ah, phew.
09:19 πŸ”— ersi http://aphyr.com/data/posts/284/-069.jpg
09:19 πŸ”— ersi teehee
09:22 πŸ”— omf_ ersi++
09:34 πŸ”— godane so looks like g4 underground is on itunes
09:34 πŸ”— godane i'm sort of surprise by that
09:35 πŸ”— ersi Doesn't sound very "underground" to me
09:35 πŸ”— omf_ lol
09:37 πŸ”— omf_ This is what image I had in my mind when ersi responded --> http://memegenerator.net/instance/41784781
09:39 πŸ”— ersi :DD
10:03 πŸ”— godane its funny cause that last like 6 episodes in 2009
10:04 πŸ”— godane so like i said i was surprise it was for sell on itunes
10:08 πŸ”— BlueMax I need to make Jason's face a meme again
10:12 πŸ”— ersi Hehe, I had the same idea (to change the topic) just a moment ago ^_^
10:13 πŸ”— BlueMax well dammit I'm doing it anyway >:|
10:14 πŸ”— GLaDOS Conform to society, BlueMax
10:15 πŸ”— GLaDOS follow what we say
10:15 πŸ”— GLaDOS believe what we say
10:15 πŸ”— GLaDOS conform
10:15 πŸ”— BlueMax Noooooooooo
10:15 πŸ”— * BlueMax stabs GLaDOS
10:15 πŸ”— * GLaDOS BlueMax's stab right up the knifehole
10:17 πŸ”— godane !topic GLaDOS is a ass
10:17 πŸ”— godane crap
10:17 πŸ”— GLaDOS okay.jpg
10:17 πŸ”— godane i don't have ops anyways
10:18 πŸ”— BlueMax no-one op him >:|
10:18 πŸ”— godane i'm oped all the time in jsmess
10:18 πŸ”— godane and i don't really talk there
10:20 πŸ”— BlueMax yeah Jason ops me in jsmess a lot
10:22 πŸ”— ersi OBEY
10:22 πŸ”— ersi CONSUME
10:22 πŸ”— ersi WATCH TV
10:23 πŸ”— BlueMax DELETE DATA
10:23 πŸ”— BlueMax -Signed, Yahoo
10:24 πŸ”— godane so i have 341 podcasts of giantbomb uploaded
10:24 πŸ”— godane only 312 are in the collection: http://archive.org/search.php?query=uploader%3A%22slaxemulator%40gmail.com%22%20creator%3A%22GiantBomb%22
10:25 πŸ”— godane the good news is anything with GiantBomb in is from me
10:33 πŸ”— godane so the originaltrilogy.com/forum/ dump is going nicely
10:33 πŸ”— godane i'm doing it in 3 dumps
10:33 πŸ”— godane 1 to 5000 topic ids is the first dump
10:33 πŸ”— godane then 5001-to-10000
10:34 πŸ”— godane then 10000 to the last topic id since its ends around 16k
10:36 πŸ”— godane i also plan on doing a external image dump
10:36 πŸ”— ersi (I take it no one here has seen 'They live'?)
10:36 πŸ”— godane i have
10:37 πŸ”— godane http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJC4R1uXDaE
10:37 πŸ”— ersi Yeah, it's a good one :D
10:38 πŸ”— ersi http://imgur.com/gallery/6THtj
10:38 πŸ”— ersi also great ^
11:01 πŸ”— BlueMax http://memegenerator.net/instance/41785766 I know it's shit, but it's MY shit
11:07 πŸ”— joepie92 http://vpsboard.com/topic/2111-proxysh-vpn-provider-sniffed-server-traffic-to-catch-hacker/#entry32760
11:59 πŸ”— godane so i'm thinking we need torrents for collections on IA
12:00 πŸ”— godane i was only thinking this cause Jason calls the Cloud the Clown
12:01 πŸ”— godane this way full collections or smaller sub collections could have more then one copy on IA
12:03 πŸ”— godane also makes it easier for the IA to have a 4th or 5th back make easier
12:26 πŸ”— Schbirid i grepped the HN frontpage to see how mods are changing post titles and the results are h.i.l.a.r.i.o.u.s
12:27 πŸ”— ersi Grepped? Did you take several snapshots and did some stats?
12:27 πŸ”— ivan` the mods attribute their new title to the original poster, and ruin "am I interested in this?" inference that people do based on (original title, # of votes)
12:28 πŸ”— Schbirid yes
12:28 πŸ”— Schbirid all 10 minutes or so
12:28 πŸ”— ivan` it gets upvoted based on a linkbait title, gets changed to a boring title, but with all of the original votes still there, making it more enticing than it is
12:28 πŸ”— Schbirid "Gabe from Penny Arcade and the Surface 2"? fuck you, i'll call it "The Surface 2" instead
12:28 πŸ”— Schbirid "Meet Rick Ross, the man responsible for the 1980s US crack epidemic" is way too specific, you shall read "Say Hello to Rick Ross" instead!
12:30 πŸ”— Schbirid "Ruby 2.1 Preview Highlights"? not bro enough! "Kicking the Tires on Ruby 2.1 Preview"
12:30 πŸ”— Schbirid yes, those are the original titles on the linked sites
12:30 πŸ”— Schbirid but its idiotic
12:33 πŸ”— joepie92 Schbirid: why don't they just do title autorecognition
12:33 πŸ”— joepie92 if they change it all anyway
12:34 πŸ”— Schbirid maybe ruby cannot do something such advanced
12:35 πŸ”— joepie92 lol
12:35 πŸ”— joepie92 even PHP can do it
12:35 πŸ”— joepie92 https://github.com/joepie91/anonnews2/blob/master/public_html/include/include.string.php#L29
12:35 πŸ”— joepie92 now add the newfangled twitter cards and facebook opengraph data
12:35 πŸ”— joepie92 as well as html5 microdata or w/e it's called
12:35 πŸ”— Schbirid but can you do it with angularjs on meteor with siri?
12:35 πŸ”— joepie92 and you have a virtually infallibe title suggestion system
12:35 πŸ”— joepie92 infallible*
12:35 πŸ”— joepie92 (the anonnews code was written before those things were in wide use, parsing <title> was the best option available..)
12:36 πŸ”— joepie92 (even then it had about a 90% reliability)
12:36 πŸ”— joepie92 and yes, it just splits up the title and assumes that the longest segment is the article/page title
12:36 πŸ”— joepie92 :P
12:37 πŸ”— Schbirid sonuds mart
12:38 πŸ”— joepie92 it's a very naive implementation but it worked well enough to not bother with something more complex
12:38 πŸ”— joepie92 now I have more interesting code
12:38 πŸ”— joepie92 (sec)
12:39 πŸ”— ersi Schbirid: AFAIK HN is in like, Scala or something.
12:39 πŸ”— Schbirid arc
12:40 πŸ”— joepie92 Schbirid: http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?87f971749560733f#JdO3kfk+osGvk6/XUZZgoydVVp9/a96fPjX5qWztVzY=
12:40 πŸ”— joepie92 "I just need SOME kind of metadata" parsing
12:40 πŸ”— joepie92 heh
12:40 πŸ”— Schbirid Javascript is required for ZeroBin to work.
12:40 πŸ”— Schbirid Sorry for the inconvenience.
12:40 πŸ”— joepie92 k, moment
12:40 πŸ”— Schbirid Because ignorance is bliss
12:40 πŸ”— Schbirid ZeroBin
12:40 πŸ”— Schbirid haha
12:41 πŸ”— joepie92 http://pastie.org/private/g5zrgsbomlzhzss8rsdkfg
12:41 πŸ”— joepie92 but you'll have to scroll
12:41 πŸ”— joepie92 (reason I use private pastes is because code is usually untested, and by removing context a public paste would run the risk of people using it verbatim when it may be unfit to do so...)
12:41 πŸ”— godane i'm getting july 2010 of attack of the show guys
12:43 πŸ”— Schbirid joepie92: :D
12:43 πŸ”— joepie92 Schbirid: this code is scarily good at fetching metadata
12:44 πŸ”— joepie92 it manages to get the title and either an image or description (or both) for virtually every news article
12:44 πŸ”— joepie92 :P
12:44 πŸ”— joepie92 (and it better, it cost me enough time to write!)
13:42 πŸ”— godane found something interesting: http://archive.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/
13:42 πŸ”— godane also i think Tom Merritt has higher bitrate version of those dialup episodes of the screen savers
16:03 πŸ”— omf_ For the other video game music fans out there I would recommend the Parasite Eve soundtrack. I am listening to it right now and it just grooves
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