[05:33] joepie92: Cringely does not even understand why money has value [05:34] it has value because people holding onto it for long periods are betting on future demand for the money [05:34] BitCoin without speculators hoarding it has almost no value [05:35] ivan`: not entirely correct [05:35] good currencies (emphasis on 'good') have functional value [05:35] that is, their ability to make exchange work well [05:35] the more hassle there is in using a currency, the less inherent non-speculative value it'll have [05:36] (which is exactly why Bitcoin becomes more valuable - and I'm not refering to exchange rate here - as the exchange and payment processing ecosystem around Bitcoin matures) [05:42] those things are about creating more short-term demand, which would still really be too small to give it billions in market cap [05:42] see http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2009/07/urs-crash-course-in-sound-economics.html and "The actual cause of the anomalous demand is no big mystery. It is the natural desire of many actors to make exchanges across time." and the rest [05:47] ivan`: didn't say you were incorrect, just "not entirely correct" :) [05:47] okay :) [05:48] on a related note there's an interesting nitpick here http://mises.ca/posts/blog/are-bitcoins-money/ [05:48] "If a price is defined in dollars and a user pays in bitcoin, the situation is analogous to buying a good with a share of equity. You will pay according to the prevailing exchange rate or market price, thus introducing some uncertainty to the transaction. (More to the point, it would be like paying with a share of a technology stock with no earnings – the purchasing power of which is determined s [05:48] olely by the expected future services to be provided.)" [05:52] ivan`: the majority of my bills are denominated in dollars, yet I pay with euros through paypal... [05:52] :| [05:54] good point [05:58] ivan`: honestly, I don't think that [in the current economical climate] it makes sense to define what is money based on how it's used [05:58] but rather it should be defined based on how it *can* be used [05:58] actually [05:58] s/economical/economical and technological/ [05:59] and I'd say that money is anything that has no inherent significant value beyond its ability to function as a means of exchange [05:59] making a divisible transmittable currency is the easy part, the hard part is convincing anyone that they should accept it [05:59] where 'significant' is 'anything approaching the denomination' [06:00] ivan`: it's the other way around, actually [06:00] adoption is a more or less automatic process [06:00] if you got the "usability" bit right [06:01] once it has gained a little public awareness, it'll spread (slowly) if the concept is solid enough [06:01] the tricky bit is making it solid enough [06:01] why did LR become so successful? not because they were so good at convincing people/companies to accept it [06:01] but because it provided a solid concept [06:01] not bulletproof [06:02] but solid for the audience that it attracted [06:02] (that is, primarily the shady underbelly of the internet) [06:02] (and they've always been targeting that audience) [06:02] a lot of people have to accept LR and trust that it will retain value for LR to become successful [06:03] technical soundness is just the first step [06:03] ivan`: that process is nearly automatic [06:03] there will always be people willing to take a little more risk [06:03] once they have done so and it seems to work [06:03] slightly more careful people join in [06:03] and so on, and so on [06:03] until it eventually grows big [06:03] in fact [06:04] it's likely that the companies that first started accepting Bitcoin, are mostly the same companies that were also early adopters of other 'alternative payment systems' [06:04] I'll have to think about your this-is-automatic argument, I suspect it is tautological [06:04] the key thing is that a system doesn't collapse during its growth phase [06:05] which requires the sound concept (which is not necessarily technical in nature) [06:05] (just the ability to maintain the promises/observations that were made that initially attracted the userbase) [06:05] for Bitcoin, that's the crypto can't-falsify can't-centrally-control bit [06:05] for LR, that was the "anonymous account number and no anti-fraud mechanisms" bit, primarily [06:51] HA! [06:51] http://onbitcoin.com/2013/10/01/bitcoin-payment-processor-coinvoice-begins-accepting-payments/ [06:51] “Coinvoice will really benefit businesses or independent contractors that want to continue to invoice their clients in dollars but who also want to receive bitcoins for the work they do. They can now do this without forcing their clients to adopt bitcoins themselves. We think this is a great way to lower the barrier to entry into the Bticoin ecosystem for certain businesses,” said Daniel Tobon, one of the Conformal team members. [06:52] that's pretty much the reverse of coinbase, heh [07:37] https://twitter.com/Jamie_Rodda/status/385105027808768000/photo/1 [07:46] anyways i'm starting to some head way with my scanner on linux [07:46] looks like it can detect by putting settings in gt68xx.conf [07:46] but still not working [08:41] http://nist.gov/ [08:41] man [08:41] NIST closed [08:41] this is all kind of fucky [08:42] http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://nist.gov [08:42] I was refering to NIST [08:42] not nist.gov alone [08:42] :| [08:42] as in, the actual institute [08:43] that is Very Bad for All Kinds Of Reasons [08:43] anyway brb [09:11] Wait, is time.nist also down? [09:15] no, try ntpdate -d time.nist.gov [09:16] Ah, phew. [09:19] http://aphyr.com/data/posts/284/-069.jpg [09:19] teehee [09:22] ersi++ [09:34] so looks like g4 underground is on itunes [09:34] i'm sort of surprise by that [09:35] Doesn't sound very "underground" to me [09:35] lol [09:37] This is what image I had in my mind when ersi responded --> http://memegenerator.net/instance/41784781 [09:39] :DD [10:03] its funny cause that last like 6 episodes in 2009 [10:04] so like i said i was surprise it was for sell on itunes [10:08] I need to make Jason's face a meme again [10:12] Hehe, I had the same idea (to change the topic) just a moment ago ^_^ [10:13] well dammit I'm doing it anyway >:| [10:14] Conform to society, BlueMax [10:15] follow what we say [10:15] believe what we say [10:15] conform [10:15] Noooooooooo [10:15] * BlueMax stabs GLaDOS [10:15] * GLaDOS BlueMax's stab right up the knifehole [10:17] !topic GLaDOS is a ass [10:17] crap [10:17] okay.jpg [10:17] i don't have ops anyways [10:18] no-one op him >:| [10:18] i'm oped all the time in jsmess [10:18] and i don't really talk there [10:20] yeah Jason ops me in jsmess a lot [10:22] OBEY [10:22] CONSUME [10:22] WATCH TV [10:23] DELETE DATA [10:23] -Signed, Yahoo [10:24] so i have 341 podcasts of giantbomb uploaded [10:24] only 312 are in the collection: http://archive.org/search.php?query=uploader%3A%22slaxemulator%40gmail.com%22%20creator%3A%22GiantBomb%22 [10:25] the good news is anything with GiantBomb in is from me [10:33] so the originaltrilogy.com/forum/ dump is going nicely [10:33] i'm doing it in 3 dumps [10:33] 1 to 5000 topic ids is the first dump [10:33] then 5001-to-10000 [10:34] then 10000 to the last topic id since its ends around 16k [10:36] i also plan on doing a external image dump [10:36] (I take it no one here has seen 'They live'?) [10:36] i have [10:37] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJC4R1uXDaE [10:37] Yeah, it's a good one :D [10:38] http://imgur.com/gallery/6THtj [10:38] also great ^ [11:01] http://memegenerator.net/instance/41785766 I know it's shit, but it's MY shit [11:07] http://vpsboard.com/topic/2111-proxysh-vpn-provider-sniffed-server-traffic-to-catch-hacker/#entry32760 [11:59] so i'm thinking we need torrents for collections on IA [12:00] i was only thinking this cause Jason calls the Cloud the Clown [12:01] this way full collections or smaller sub collections could have more then one copy on IA [12:03] also makes it easier for the IA to have a 4th or 5th back make easier [12:26] i grepped the HN frontpage to see how mods are changing post titles and the results are h.i.l.a.r.i.o.u.s [12:27] Grepped? Did you take several snapshots and did some stats? [12:27] the mods attribute their new title to the original poster, and ruin "am I interested in this?" inference that people do based on (original title, # of votes) [12:28] yes [12:28] all 10 minutes or so [12:28] it gets upvoted based on a linkbait title, gets changed to a boring title, but with all of the original votes still there, making it more enticing than it is [12:28] "Gabe from Penny Arcade and the Surface 2"? fuck you, i'll call it "The Surface 2" instead [12:28] "Meet Rick Ross, the man responsible for the 1980s US crack epidemic" is way too specific, you shall read "Say Hello to Rick Ross" instead! [12:30] "Ruby 2.1 Preview Highlights"? not bro enough! "Kicking the Tires on Ruby 2.1 Preview" [12:30] yes, those are the original titles on the linked sites [12:30] but its idiotic [12:33] Schbirid: why don't they just do title autorecognition [12:33] if they change it all anyway [12:34] maybe ruby cannot do something such advanced [12:35] lol [12:35] even PHP can do it [12:35] https://github.com/joepie91/anonnews2/blob/master/public_html/include/include.string.php#L29 [12:35] now add the newfangled twitter cards and facebook opengraph data [12:35] as well as html5 microdata or w/e it's called [12:35] but can you do it with angularjs on meteor with siri? [12:35] and you have a virtually infallibe title suggestion system [12:35] infallible* [12:35] (the anonnews code was written before those things were in wide use, parsing was the best option available..) [12:36] <joepie92> (even then it had about a 90% reliability) [12:36] <joepie92> and yes, it just splits up the title and assumes that the longest segment is the article/page title [12:36] <joepie92> :P [12:37] <Schbirid> sonuds mart [12:38] <joepie92> it's a very naive implementation but it worked well enough to not bother with something more complex [12:38] <joepie92> now I have more interesting code [12:38] <joepie92> (sec) [12:39] <ersi> Schbirid: AFAIK HN is in like, Scala or something. [12:39] <Schbirid> arc [12:40] <joepie92> Schbirid: http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?87f971749560733f#JdO3kfk+osGvk6/XUZZgoydVVp9/a96fPjX5qWztVzY= [12:40] <joepie92> "I just need SOME kind of metadata" parsing [12:40] <joepie92> heh [12:40] <Schbirid> Javascript is required for ZeroBin to work. [12:40] <Schbirid> Sorry for the inconvenience. [12:40] <joepie92> k, moment [12:40] <Schbirid> Because ignorance is bliss [12:40] <Schbirid> ZeroBin [12:40] <Schbirid> haha [12:41] <joepie92> http://pastie.org/private/g5zrgsbomlzhzss8rsdkfg [12:41] <joepie92> but you'll have to scroll [12:41] <joepie92> (reason I use private pastes is because code is usually untested, and by removing context a public paste would run the risk of people using it verbatim when it may be unfit to do so...) [12:41] <godane> i'm getting july 2010 of attack of the show guys [12:43] <Schbirid> joepie92: :D [12:43] <joepie92> Schbirid: this code is scarily good at fetching metadata [12:44] <joepie92> it manages to get the title and either an image or description (or both) for virtually every news article [12:44] <joepie92> :P [12:44] <joepie92> (and it better, it cost me enough time to write!) [13:42] <godane> found something interesting: http://archive.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/ [13:42] <godane> also i think Tom Merritt has higher bitrate version of those dialup episodes of the screen savers [16:03] <omf_> For the other video game music fans out there I would recommend the Parasite Eve soundtrack. I am listening to it right now and it just grooves