[00:22] SketchCow: I'm up to episode 370 of tekzilla on IA [06:59] So i'm going to be uploading EDN magazine [07:54] http://devnull-as-a-service.com/ [07:59] :) [07:59] * touya signs up for an enterprise account [09:27] hi [09:30] i have a site for a emergency backup: Hives.nl [09:30] http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftweakers.net%2Fnieuws%2F92306%2Fgerucht-telegraaf-stopt-met-hyves.html [10:47] so here is my EDN Magazine collection i'm uploading: https://archive.org/search.php?query=subject%3A%22EDN+Magazine%3B%22 [11:10] SketchCow: You have the full collection of tekzilla daily episodes [13:13] http://www.explosm.net/db/files/Comics/Rob/timemachine2.png [13:34] Explosm.net rocks [14:01] for sure [16:26] * phillipsj is still annoyed all the major browsers dropped gopher support. [17:02] yeah even firefox eventually succumbed [20:45] I was thinking I should archive all the paper I have access to on microfiche: hopefully it will last until the copyright expires.... [21:55] phillipsj: just upload it to IA and have them black it out if it's touchy [22:10] Found this link on the "fire drill" page: http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Internet_Archive [22:11] Microfiche will last longer than 11,000 spinning disks. [22:11] (though there is the ease of copying to consider) [22:30] I'd like to see how much ten petabytes weighs in microfiche [22:31] How high of quality is microfiche theoretically? [22:33] http://pic.templetons.com/brad/photo/pixels.html says that 35mm has 20 million pixels. I assume microfiche is a lot lower than that. [22:39] No, microfiche has higher resolution because it is Black & While. The resolution is limited by diffraction as far as I can tell. [22:39] Is microfiche all black & white? [22:39] I thought there was color too [22:39] microcard can have color [22:39] A 6x4 card stores 260 pages [22:39] microfiche is always b+w [22:40] ah. I think people mislabel microcard as microfiche then [22:40] yeah [22:40] because I've seen old comic scans labeled microfiche and they were color [22:40] microcard is white reflective media [22:40] microfiche is tranmissive film [22:40] http://publik.tuwien.ac.at/files/PubDat_191964.pdf [22:41] "y using [22:41] in UUencode, and 45.32MB coded as Paperback 2D barcode. [22:41] these numbers a single microfilm can store 6.32MB coded in Base64, 4.92MB coded [22:41] wiki says, "Color microform is extremely expensive, thus discouraging most libraries supplying color films." but perhaps wikipedia is mistaken as well [22:42] ocr|uudecode sounds very fragile [22:42] ah, sorry, "microform" seems to be a catchall actually. [22:42] right, microform is everything tiny [22:42] I think the problem is you need perfect color registration [22:42] yeah the paper results for ocr decoding are terrible [22:42] barcoding works if you add enough redundancy bits [22:43] but lol would you need a lot for a petabyte [22:43] to store binary data. but it might store b/w photos nicely [22:44] It took me a while to figure out haw QR codes can still work with a logo shoved in the middle :) [22:44] *how [22:45] this is probably your best bet for longevity but price could be an issue https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD-Rosetta [22:46] speaking of longevity of data, I've not seen any good way to perfectly copy or archive a CD [22:47] nope it's still a mess [22:47] wallpaintings [22:48] after 250.000 years they still find them. [22:48] M1das: you get cub scout groups that come and clean grafitti off the walls. [22:48] they do that? only thing they do here is fall out of trees and sell meth [22:48] s/meth/chocolatebars [22:49] the more famous wall paintings are rapidly deteriorating due to moisture and fungus from visitors [22:50] M1das: or the case of the elgin marbles [22:50] what about putting the entire archive in ascii and sending it to twitter? [22:51] 140 chars at a time [22:51] is twitter archived? [22:51] * phillipsj senses some kind of feedback loop [22:52] dont think they remove tweets after x-years [22:52] after sending the entire IA to twitter, they might tho [22:52] the Library of Congress has every tweet [22:52] And the NSA's new data-center. [22:53] Very poor bandwidth that way thoguh [22:53] 5 zettabyte baby! [22:53] dont really know why it's awesome, they dont specify what kind of storage it is [22:54] 5 ZB on tape is alot cheaper and easier to store than 5ZB of SSD's [22:54] twitter allows unicode so that would give you a lot better density [22:54] Probably involves a few tape robots [22:54] most likely yeah [22:54] 100TB taperobots are faily cheap tho [22:55] if its not a robot the accesstime will suck bigtime. [22:58] if the NSA bought these guys they could store alot more [22:58] http://www.spectralogic.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=products.displayContent&catID=1990 [22:58] up to 3.7 exabyte