| Time |
Nickname |
Message |
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02:45
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yipdw |
wow |
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02:45
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yipdw |
I just read https://campaign.soylent.me/soylent-free-your-body |
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02:45
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yipdw |
and I saw the CEO's blurb: |
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02:45
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yipdw |
"Rob is a Y Combinator alumnus with professional experience in electrical engineering, computer science and entrepreneurship. Lacking the means to eat well, ..." |
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02:45
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yipdw |
"lacking the means to eat well" is a hell of a way to say "Being a lazy fucktard" |
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02:46
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Baljem |
oh, that guy sounds like one of the biggest dickheads ever |
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02:46
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ATZ0 |
oh, well Y combinator. |
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02:46
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ATZ0 |
let's just stop right there. |
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02:46
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yipdw |
yeah basically |
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02:46
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Baljem |
although I may be influenced unduly by the fact that I actually /like/ food. |
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02:47
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Baljem |
it doesn't sound like he's got any better since last time I read about Soylent, anyway |
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02:47
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yipdw |
I've been able to grow tomatoes at home for about $20 in equipment in soil, and rice/quinoa is not that expensive at all |
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02:47
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ATZ0 |
we already have nutraloaf and nourimanba |
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02:47
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ATZ0 |
that guy seems to want to make not eating like a hip designer food. disruptive one might say, har har. |
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02:48
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yipdw |
so you've got to be a lot further down the totem pole to not have "the means to eat well" |
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02:48
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ATZ0 |
"dude let's tottttallly crush some soylent and code bro!" |
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02:59
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ATZ0 |
SketchCow: "You know, I should really start a blog and host it with the people who make my web browser" |
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05:27
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Sue_ |
undersco2: you around? |
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05:52
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odie5533 |
yipdw: All the joys of eating food without any of the joys. |
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05:56
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odie5533 |
I like grilling. My ancestors have been cooking meat over a flame for hundreds of thousands of years. I don't think we should be changing this. |
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06:06
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godane |
SketchCow: i hope you put this computer and tech videos collection: https://archive.org/details/appjudgment_snapp |
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06:09
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godane |
same for this collection: https://archive.org/details/askjay_rev3 |
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06:20
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phillipsj |
I have strangely mixed feeling about the silk road vendor database. On the one hand, it is kind of creepy; moving information on an underground site out into the open. On the other, it is kind of cheeky by giving these vendors publicity. |
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09:12
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joepie92 |
ohai |
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09:15
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joepie92 |
root@croissant:/home/archiveteam/pastebin-scrape/pastes# find | wc -l |
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09:15
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joepie92 |
127221 |
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09:15
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joepie92 |
whoop |
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10:03
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godane |
i'm grabbing p2p-zone.com forums |
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10:03
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godane |
the forums has stuff on p2p going back to 2001 |
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11:12
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ersi |
joepie92: nice |
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11:12
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joepie92 |
ersi: I haven't been banned yet, with one worker |
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11:12
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joepie92 |
and one worker seems enough to grab everything |
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11:12
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joepie92 |
so that's quite awesome :) |
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11:12
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joepie92 |
now I just need to write a cronjob that auto-uploads stuff |
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11:13
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joepie92 |
like, daily archives |
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11:13
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joepie92 |
to IA |
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13:52
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ersi |
Bam, now I've uploaded all the OHM2013 talks that I had downloaded, to Internet Archive. I should go through them and see if I missed any, but that's for another day.. |
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14:00
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odie5533 |
What talks? |
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14:02
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odie5533 |
phillipsj: It's not really creepy. The vendors post the information publicly. The purpose of SR was to do it anonymously and also to ensure it stayed up, since you could setup an SR on the regular web anonymously but it would get taken down. |
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14:04
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ersi |
odie5533: https://archive.org/details/ohm2013 |
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14:06
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odie5533 |
ersi: hmm, any good talks you can recommend? |
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14:06
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ersi |
Plenty, but one of the most popular ones were Sprite_tm's hacking harddrive controllers |
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14:06
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ersi |
https://archive.org/details/D2T113201308012300HardDisksMoreThanJustBlockDevicesSpriteTm |
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14:07
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ersi |
I liked https://archive.org/details/D4T303201308031300AttitudeAndActionFromKpnSecurityJayaBaloo |
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14:07
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|
ersi |
(I was at OHM2013, so saw a lot of these live) |
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14:08
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ersi |
odie5533: I'd recommend going to https://program.ohm2013.org/ and check if any of the talks sound interesting first |
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14:08
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odie5533 |
nice. I've only ever been to one conference. It was fun, but it wasn't for hacking |
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14:08
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Schbirid |
7 weeks til 30c3! |
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14:08
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Schbirid |
ersi: you can use _ and - in item names you know :P |
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14:09
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|
ersi |
Mah, fuck it |
|
14:09
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|
ersi |
I just used whatever the Uploader form mangled for me |
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14:09
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ersi |
I did change the title so it'd be nice at least |
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14:09
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Schbirid |
:) |
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14:10
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ersi |
Meh, I usually only went to chaos congress because it was in Berlin and most of my pals were there |
|
14:10
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ersi |
so we'd go out partying |
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14:10
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|
ersi |
I like the camps better |
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14:10
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ersi |
Schbirid: By the way, the original filenames do have _ and -, it's just that the uploader form strips them |
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14:11
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Schbirid |
damn, that sucks |
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14:11
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odie5533 |
ersi: that must have been crazy there. the conf I went to was indoors and very structured |
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14:11
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ersi |
nah, quite far from crazy actually :) |
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14:11
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ersi |
especially quite not-crazy considering how crazy ad-hoc everything there really was |
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14:12
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|
ersi |
Schbirid: were you at ohm btw? |
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14:12
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|
Schbirid |
any recommendations from the ohm2013 talks? |
|
14:12
🔗
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Schbirid |
nah |
|
14:12
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|
ersi |
too many to bring up from memory, hehe |
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14:12
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odie5533 |
Schbirid: he gave two: one about hard disks |
|
14:12
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|
ersi |
the KPN Security talk was quite nice |
|
14:12
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Schbirid |
true :) |
|
14:13
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|
ersi |
talked a lot with those guys after the talks - got some bizcards as well |
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14:13
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|
ersi |
the "hacking the HLR" was interesting as well as the "4G phone network security" one (both from KPN staffers) |
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14:13
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|
ersi |
IIRC that is |
|
14:13
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Schbirid |
cheers |
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14:13
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|
ersi |
Oh yeah, the SIM card exploitation talk with Karsten Nohl was awesome as well |
|
14:14
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|
Schbirid |
i love his talks |
|
14:14
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|
ersi |
I think that might be the most popular talk |
|
14:14
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|
ersi |
but the harddisk controler hack was quite awesome as well ;D |
|
14:15
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|
odie5533 |
man there were so many talks. wow |
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14:16
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|
ersi |
indeed |
|
14:16
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|
ersi |
there's unfortunately some that were not recorded |
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14:18
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|
odie5533 |
aww the DIY Book Scanning one isn't up |
|
14:20
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|
ersi |
yeah :( |
|
14:20
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|
ersi |
I missed that talk at camp as well |
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14:22
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odie5533 |
one of his previous talks was published elsewhere though |
|
14:23
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|
ersi |
^_^ |
|
14:23
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|
ersi |
nice, got link? |
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14:23
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odie5533 |
so few talks actually were recorded |
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14:24
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|
odie5533 |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JuoOaL11bw |
|
14:24
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|
ersi |
nice, thanks |
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14:25
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odie5533 |
some of the other speakers gave the same talk at previous places that are available on YT |
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14:26
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ersi |
Indeed |
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14:34
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odie5533 |
ersi: one of the talks is buy a guy named 'tef'. Is that the same tef that did the Hanzo warctools? |
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14:35
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odie5533 |
I think it is. Did you run into him? He was there giving a talk. https://program.ohm2013.org/event/423.html |
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14:52
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Schbirid |
this is so awesome http://7habitsofhighlyeffectivehackers.blogspot.de/2013/11/can-someone-be-targeted-using-adobe.html |
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14:56
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joepie93 |
ersi: ohm2013 collection looks beautiful now :) |
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14:58
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|
godane |
now this is funny |
|
14:59
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|
godane |
the twilight warez presentation show a boot magazine cd in his slides |
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14:59
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|
godane |
i'm archiving both twilight and boot magazine cds |
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15:14
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ersi |
odie5533: Yeah, that's the same tef |
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15:15
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ersi |
odie5533: Yeah, I met him and we chilled a few times |
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15:15
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ersi |
joepie93: thanks :) |
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15:38
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odie5533 |
archive.org nicely offers the download links for the talks. On YT I need to use Freemake Video Downloader to get videos. |
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15:39
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|
ersi |
Yeah |
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15:39
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|
ersi |
archive.org transcodes to a few different formats as well |
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15:45
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joepie93 |
odie5533: you might also want to look into http://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/ :) |
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15:46
🔗
|
* |
joepie93 is very suspicious of these "freeware" proprietary video downloaders/converters |
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15:46
🔗
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odie5533 |
Does it use multiple connections to download? Also, Freemake adds a button right into YT you can click and it auotmatically downloads it. |
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15:46
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joepie93 |
odie5533: it's a command-line tool, I have no idea if it can run multiple threads |
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15:47
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joepie93 |
but tbh |
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15:47
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odie5533 |
joepie93: I am too usually, but this one works very, very well. It's got a nice playlist downloader built-in as well |
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15:47
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joepie93 |
you should probably double-check whether freemake dragged in any shady stuff |
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15:47
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joepie93 |
whenever a site for a tool looks commercial, but the application is free, that's usually a giant red flag |
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15:47
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joepie93 |
the company name "Ellora Assets Corporation" doesn't inspire much hope either :/ |
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15:48
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|
odie5533 |
But Tucows guaranteed it to be free of malware! |
|
15:48
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|
odie5533 |
It gave it 5/5 cows! |
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15:48
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joepie93 |
I'm sure they did |
|
15:48
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ersi |
Tucows. Haha |
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15:48
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|
odie5533 |
:D |
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15:48
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joepie93 |
odie5533: pretty sure that the RBN will tell you that CryptoLocker is perfectly safe too |
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15:48
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joepie93 |
:) |
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15:48
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odie5533 |
you guys remember downloading crap off of tucows, when every site would have like 50 logos of various download places that had supposedly vetted their software? |
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15:49
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joepie93 |
yes lol |
|
15:49
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|
joepie93 |
also |
|
15:49
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|
joepie93 |
ellora looks suspiciously much like a malware shell company |
|
15:49
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|
joepie93 |
it's definitely a shell |
|
15:49
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joepie93 |
the question mark just applies to the "malware" bit |
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15:49
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ersi |
no, I've almost never downloaded software from tucows |
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15:50
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|
ersi |
a few single times I guess |
|
15:50
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odie5533 |
I'm thinking of maybe the late 90's was it? |
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15:50
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ersi |
I did use CNet / download.com (lol) when they weren't completely shit |
|
15:50
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|
ersi |
yes, of course |
|
15:50
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odie5533 |
download.com recently added their crappy download client thing. I don't use the anymore. |
|
15:50
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joepie93 |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellora_Assets_Corporation |
|
15:51
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|
odie5533 |
replace by File Hippo |
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15:51
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|
odie5533 |
joepie93: sounds legit. |
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15:51
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joepie93 |
odie5533: Freemake would definitely be on my "avoid" list |
|
15:52
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joepie93 |
"When a user submits personal information, it is kept on a private server not accessible from the Internet. This limits the possibility of any malicious use of your information." |
|
15:52
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joepie93 |
lol |
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15:52
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odie5533 |
If I ever find anything that's close to as good as it, I'll switch. |
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15:52
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|
ersi |
Well, I barely use anything propriatary anymore |
|
15:52
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|
ersi |
and I seldom if ever use Windows |
|
15:52
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|
ersi |
not even at work |
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15:52
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joepie93 |
odie5533: tbqh |
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15:52
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odie5533 |
I try to make a habit of only using proprietary applications. |
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15:53
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joepie93 |
you really shouldn't be downloading from youtube with multiple threads |
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15:53
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|
ersi |
haha |
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15:53
🔗
|
odie5533 |
to hopefully counter the hacktivist revolution. |
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15:53
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|
joepie93 |
high chance of b& |
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15:53
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|
ersi |
uh |
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15:53
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odie5533 |
joepie93: I use a VPN, so no worries |
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15:53
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joepie93 |
that... does not really change anything about what I said |
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15:53
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joepie93 |
it's still going to kill your downloads |
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15:53
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|
joepie93 |
lol |
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15:53
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odie5533 |
joepie93: ah. never had that happen. Didn't know it even did happen |
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15:54
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joepie93 |
odie5533: virtually anything Google has a shitload of throttling on it |
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15:54
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joepie93 |
sadly including youtube |
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15:54
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Schbirid |
youtube-dl can download playlists too |
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15:54
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joepie93 |
I cobbled together a duct-taped multi-threaded youtube-dl in the past |
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15:54
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odie5533 |
YT is so slow sometimes. |
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15:54
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joepie93 |
got me b& |
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15:54
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ersi |
so did you mean practially instead of virtually? |
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15:54
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odie5533 |
videos don't load, or fast forwarding doesn't work, or fullscreen bugs out |
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15:54
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joepie93 |
lots of asian providers that NAT through single IPs tend to have the same issue |
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15:54
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ersi |
odie5533: YouTube's player is shit |
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15:55
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|
ersi |
flushes the buffer if you try to rewind of fast forward |
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15:55
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|
ersi |
which is... stupid |
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15:55
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odie5533 |
stuff just not loading is the biggest annoyance to me. |
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15:55
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joepie93 |
odie5533: that might just be an ISP caching server |
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15:55
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odie5533 |
I'll want to play a YT video at 480p and it just won't load, but sometimes the 360p loads. |
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15:55
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ersi |
Yeah, block those and it may speed up |
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15:55
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joepie93 |
Ellora Assets Corporation software does not intend to transfer Personal Information without your consent to third parties who are not bound to act on Ellora Assets Corporation behalf unless such transfer is legally required. |
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15:55
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joepie93 |
> intend to |
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15:55
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odie5533 |
joepie93: random videos. I don't think they are necessarily caching them |
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15:56
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ersi |
odie5533: YouTube has cache machines at a lot of ISPs |
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15:56
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ersi |
which they offer for free to the ISPs |
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15:56
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odie5533 |
ersi: yeah, even so, they usually only cache the major videos with lots of hits |
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15:56
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|
* |
joepie93 frowns at freemake having a donate page but evidently being a commercial venture |
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15:56
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joepie93 |
odie5533: not really |
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15:56
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ersi |
None of us can know their caching criteras |
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15:56
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odie5533 |
joepie93: so they cache the seldom seen videos that no one watches? |
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15:57
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joepie93 |
odie5533: some ISPs do, yes |
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15:57
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ersi |
but I would say they stream through the caching servers |
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15:57
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odie5533 |
ersi: one can make at least broad guesses. |
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15:57
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joepie93 |
I think it was comcast who had a particularly aggressive caching setup |
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15:57
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ersi |
which is why it's so fucking slow, unless you block the anycast IP range of the local ISP caching boxes |
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15:57
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odie5533 |
ersi: hmm, how can you do that? |
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15:57
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ersi |
Just nullroute it |
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15:58
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|
ersi |
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r28064070-YouTube-cache-server-bypass-trick |
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15:58
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ersi |
173.194.55.0/24 |
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15:58
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ersi |
206.111.0.0/16 |
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15:59
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odie5533 |
Is that only the canadian cache server, or all of them? |
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15:59
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ersi |
those two ranges goes to any cache box that's near you (ie on your ISPs network). |
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15:59
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ersi |
That's all of them |
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15:59
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|
ersi |
If I connect to one of those IPs, I might probably get a Swedish cache box at my ISP |
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15:59
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|
ersi |
If you connect, you'll probably get your ISPs one (in canada) |
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16:00
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|
ersi |
anycast is neat |
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16:00
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odie5533 |
ersi: does it actually help? Are the cache servers actually worse than using the real ones? |
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16:00
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|
ersi |
Yes |
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16:00
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odie5533 |
I would think part of the point of caching is to help speed up transactions |
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16:00
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|
ersi |
Of course....... |
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16:01
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joepie93 |
odie5533: no |
|
16:01
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joepie93 |
it isn't |
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16:01
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|
ersi |
Well, partly |
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16:01
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joepie93 |
the point of caching is to reduce bandwidth costs for your ISP |
|
16:01
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joepie93 |
(no, seriously, this is the actual reason) |
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16:01
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odie5533 |
that's one point of it. |
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16:01
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ersi |
Yeah. Which is why the ISPs have cache boxes at all |
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16:01
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joepie93 |
odie5533: no, it is _the_ point of it |
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16:01
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odie5533 |
perhaps that's specifically why ISPs cache. |
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16:01
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joepie93 |
yes |
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16:01
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|
joepie93 |
it's just a cost cutting measure |
|
16:01
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odie5533 |
there are _lots of points_ for why to cache in different situations. |
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16:01
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ersi |
Of course |
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16:02
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joepie93 |
lol |
|
16:02
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joepie93 |
yes, but we are talking about ISP YT caching here |
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joepie93 |
that's pretty specific |
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Schbirid |
and how do you know |
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ersi |
iptables -A INPUT -s 173.194.55.0/24 -j REJECT |
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ersi |
oops |
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ersi |
Schbirid: We don't. |
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ersi |
Schbirid: Which has been stated above. |
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odie5533 |
so blocking the cache servers, I'm costing my ISP more money? |
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ersi |
Sure. |
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odie5533 |
since they need to route all my calls to the actual servers instead of using their crappy cache one |
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odie5533 |
I'm all for costing my ISP more money. |
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ersi |
Well, not necessarily (about the money) |
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ersi |
Depends on if they pay for their transit or not. I'd go read up on "peering" and "transit" ;-) |
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odie5533 |
Is there a way I can tell if my requests are being routed through one of the cache servers or not? Perhaps with a trace route? |
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ersi |
If it hits those IP ranged above, you most likely are |
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ersi |
no, trace route is a silly way of looking at it |
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ersi |
because it depends on your DNS cache and the DNS infra. The information there can change at any time |
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ersi |
I'd open up wireshark and catch a little traffic and see to what IP you're goin' |
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phillipsj |
B-But, isn't caching against the Youtube TOS? |
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odie5533 |
phillipsj: huh? |
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brayden |
it is. |
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odie5533 |
What does that mean |
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brayden |
YouTube grants the operators of public search engines permission to use spiders to copy materials from the site for the sole purpose of and solely to the extent necessary for creating publicly available searchable indices of the materials, but not caches or archives of such materials. |
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odie5533 |
How nice of our corporate overlord to grant us permissions! |
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phillipsj |
I guess I am referring to Section 4 A "You agree not to distribute in any medium any part of the Service or the Content without YouTube's prior written authorization, unless YouTube makes available the means for such distribution through functionality offered by the Service (such as the Embeddable Player)." |
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brayden reads up for context |
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brayden |
You're talking about DNS cache though? |
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brayden |
That's unrelated to YouTube at all and the way DNS works. It is controlled by the TTL of a record, the time it takes for it to die and be retrieved again from the nameserver. |
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phillipsj |
I suppose ISPs may have permission for caching boxes. |
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odie5533 |
we were talking about ISPs using Google Cache boxes to cache YouTube videos. |
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brayden |
Yeah. |
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brayden |
My ISP does that. |
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brayden |
It is pretty good, don't get buffering issues quite so often. |
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phillipsj |
SO I get green dots when the video is not chached? |
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odie5533 |
apparently the chace servers are really crappy, so it's better not to use them |
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odie5533 |
*cache |
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brayden |
Depends on the ISP of course, they run fine here. |
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phillipsj |
I have no issues unless I a looking at like 20 obscure videos. Then I get throttled to nothing. (240P still works in that case, but not all videos have that) |
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joepie93 |
odie5533: https://www.suresoftware.com/index.php?route=product/search&filter_name=Ellora%20Assets%20Corporation&filter_sub_category=true&filter_description=true |
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joepie93 |
not sure what to make of this |
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odie5533 |
joepie93: Does Miro 6 show up for you? |
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odie5533 |
looks like a false hit. |
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joepie93 |
odie5533: it does |
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joepie93 |
and that is a possibility |
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joepie93 |
but I've often found that these kind of sites have cached data |
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joepie93 |
I've researched a bunch of these shady companies before and often ended up on what seemed like false positives at first |
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odie5533 |
What do you mean? |
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joepie93 |
but it turned out to be a derivative of an old dataset |
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odie5533 |
Is Miro bad? |
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joepie93 |
from before they tried to wipe out any connections with other shady companies |
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joepie93 |
and most of the time I can manage to track down the original source of the data |
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joepie93 |
but not this time |
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joepie93 |
odie5533: no, that is not what I am saying |
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joepie93 |
I'm just curious whether this is a false positive, or a remnant of an incomplete reputation cleanup |
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odie5533 |
definitely a false positive |
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joepie93 |
how so? |
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odie5533 |
for one, Miro is openly released under the GPL. Whereas Freemake has allegations of GPL violations |
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odie5533 |
Also, Miro has been around since 2006 |
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odie5533 |
and is headquartered in the U.S. Freemake has ties to Russia |
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odie5533 |
everything about them seems completely different except that one hit on some weird website. |
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joepie93 |
odie5533: none of that actually confirms -without doubt- that it's a false positive |
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odie5533 |
for that matter, we have no knowledge of anything and can't confirm anything to be true. |
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joepie93 |
virtually all of the research I've done into these companies has hinged on one bit of data they missed during cleanup |
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joepie93 |
that gave me a lead into other information |
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joepie93 |
odie5533: you're ignoring that I have experience in this area, and that I know it to be common that something looks like a single false positive but really isn't |
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odie5533 |
perhaps. But you seem to be overstating the importance of a single strange hit in a search engine when all the other evidence points to the contrary. |
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joepie93 |
... |
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joepie93 |
odie5533; at this point I could start quoting things I alraedy said |
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joepie93 |
but I think it's quicker to just tell you to read up |
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17:07
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joepie93 |
because I basically already responded to that remark twice or so by now |
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joepie93 |
odie5533: http://www.quora.com/Elena-Vakhromova |
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joepie93 |
the PR person for freemake |
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joepie93 |
posing as a freemake user |
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joepie93 |
to plug their converter thing on quora |
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joepie93 |
source for "PR person": http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Awww.ereleases.com%2Fpr%2Ffreemake-video-downloader-20-brings-unprecedented-speed-quality-online-video-download-43825&oq=cache%3Awww.ereleases.com%2Fpr%2Ffreemake-video-downloader-20-brings-unprecedented-speed-quality-online-video-download-43825&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i58.906j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 |
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joepie93 |
http://www.linkedin.com/in/elenavakhromova |
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odie5533 |
so they're no better than 99% of other companies. |
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joepie93 |
"social media marketing" |
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joepie93 |
more plugging: http://www.modernlifeblogs.com/author/elena/ |
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18:04
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joepie93 |
and more: http://www.sitepoint.com/author/evakhromova/ |
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18:05
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joepie93 |
and more: http://freelanceswitch.com/general/video-apps-free/#more-20081 |
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18:05
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joepie93 |
and more and more and more |
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18:06
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joepie93 |
and, slightly meta/ironical, plugging freemake in a post about plugging things for marketing purposes: http://www.bloggodown.com/2011/12/7-must-have-tools-for-guest-bloggers.html |
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joepie93 |
odie5533: I think you should consider why they are pushing something so badly that is free |
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18:11
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odie5533 |
they receive money from OpenCandy through installations. |
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18:20
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joepie93 |
http://wibiya.conduit.com/Discontinued |
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18:20
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joepie93 |
thank god |
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18:20
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joepie93 |
no more stupid obnoxious "toolbars" on webpages that you can't get perma-rid of |
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ersi |
brayden: No, we weren't talking about DNS caching. |
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Ravenloft |
what would be a nice way to better demonstrate it? http://imgur.com/r/pics/csUvbZt |