| Time |
Nickname |
Message |
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00:00
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godane |
https://archive.org/details/tech-news-today |
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00:07
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|
godane |
i'm also grabing tons of odtv videos |
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00:07
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|
godane |
which are the twit live streams of the shows |
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00:07
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|
godane |
there is also pre-air and post-air stuff in them too |
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00:36
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Lord_Nigh |
https://www.crowdtilt.com/campaigns/please-help-the-internet-archive-after-their-offices-were-destroyed-in-a-fire <- someone just sent me that. I assume its a false charity/scam |
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00:42
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BlueMax |
no shit, we'd have a picture of Jason running out of the Archive on fire holding an armful of hard drives |
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00:43
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BlueMax |
tineye doesn't bring up any results on that image which is odd |
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00:46
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|
godane |
so i'm reading Jason's tweets and he is talking to kmart |
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00:46
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|
godane |
about how crappy the store he is in |
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00:46
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|
dashcloud |
Facebook's released Presto, their distributed SQL query engine for massive data sets to github: http://prestodb.io/ |
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00:46
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BlueMax |
yeah I saw that |
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00:47
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|
godane |
also oddly enough i have a kmart christmas magazine from 2010 |
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00:50
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BlueMax |
this Haugeland guy has a G+ page but it hasn't been posted to for a few months |
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00:51
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|
BlueMax |
also has something to do with a thing called Erlang |
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00:51
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DFJustin |
erlang is a hipster programming language |
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00:53
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|
BlueMax |
http://blog.archive.org/2013/11/06/scanning-center-fire-please-help-rebuild/ |
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00:53
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|
BlueMax |
so there was indeed a fire |
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00:53
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|
BlueMax |
I'm going to make a guess this guy is trying to profit off it though |
|
00:54
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|
BlueMax |
since there's an obvious place to donate to Archive.org, why make a Kickstarter-ish project for it |
|
00:55
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|
BlueMax |
or apparently not, at least according to this description |
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00:55
🔗
|
BlueMax |
but still |
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00:55
🔗
|
BlueMax |
why make this a thing |
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00:57
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|
DFJustin |
it's ~social~ |
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00:59
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|
* |
BlueMax bleeds |
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01:16
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|
balrog |
Lord_Nigh: someone should report it |
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01:16
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|
balrog |
hmm, verified. interesting |
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01:16
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|
balrog |
I wonder how crowdtilt does this |
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01:17
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|
balrog |
eh I don't think it's fake, but it feels weird |
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01:19
🔗
|
BlueMax |
yeah, Archive.org has it's own donate page |
|
01:20
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|
BlueMax |
it's like, feel free to drum up support, just don't take the money for yourself then pass it on, just direct them to the right place |
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01:35
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|
Lord_Nigh |
"about half had already been digitized" - hmm, sounds ike that metal rakc from 2011 was still in use |
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01:35
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|
Lord_Nigh |
i.e. half "finished box", half "to be digitized" |
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01:36
🔗
|
Lord_Nigh |
wondering what was lost though |
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01:47
🔗
|
godane |
i have a idea |
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01:48
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|
odie5533 |
What idea? |
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01:48
🔗
|
godane |
at the end of the day they put the books in those fire and water protected values |
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01:48
🔗
|
godane |
i can't spell |
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01:50
🔗
|
godane |
i mean vault |
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01:50
🔗
|
odie5533 |
those are expensive. |
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01:50
🔗
|
godane |
i know |
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01:50
🔗
|
odie5533 |
If the books aren't worth much, probably not worth it. |
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01:52
🔗
|
godane |
i'm just thinking so they don't lose the books in fire like this |
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01:53
🔗
|
SketchCow |
Uploading 100+ cinema books now |
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01:55
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|
SketchCow |
https://archive.org/stream/Ghosts_Vampires_And_Zombies_Cinema_Fiction_vs_Physics_Reality#page/n0/mode/2up |
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01:55
🔗
|
SketchCow |
SAVED |
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06:16
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|
phillipsj |
Since high end document scanners have static dissipating brushes to keep pages from sticking, my new theory is paper dust ignited by paper jam. (assumes scanners were in use at 4 am) |
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06:19
🔗
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odie5533 |
Have they ruled out arson? |
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06:20
🔗
|
phillipsj |
I am going on the story linked earlier that said one of the scanners sparked or something. |
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06:59
🔗
|
SketchCow |
Scanners not in use at 4am. |
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13:40
🔗
|
godane |
so the radioshackcatalogs.com has high res scans |
|
13:40
🔗
|
godane |
but a lot of them are make in wrong res |
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13:41
🔗
|
godane |
like some sale catalogs are in the right res on low setting |
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13:46
🔗
|
godane |
then are squished or made bigger width wise |
|
13:48
🔗
|
godane |
the good news is the smaller ones don't have the problem from what i can tell |
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13:55
🔗
|
godane |
here are some examples: |
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13:55
🔗
|
godane |
right res: http:www.radioshackcatalogs.com/catalogs_extra/1991_buyers_guide/pages/001.jpg |
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13:56
🔗
|
godane |
*right res: http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/catalogs_extra/1991_buyers_guide/pages/001.jpg |
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13:56
🔗
|
godane |
wrong res: http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/catalogs_extra/1991_buyers_guide/pages/hi-res/001.jpg |
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15:35
🔗
|
joepie93 |
if you thought yahoo answers was bad |
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15:35
🔗
|
joepie93 |
http://aolanswers.com/ |
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15:40
🔗
|
ersi |
lol'd |
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15:44
🔗
|
SketchCow |
http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/1558 |
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15:44
🔗
|
SketchCow |
That's me ranting about radio shack catalogs 5 years ago. |
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15:54
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|
antomatic |
Oh man. Something about old electronics catalogues gets me /right there/... |
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15:55
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|
antomatic |
Got 3 or 4 old Maplin catalogues somewhere (kind of a British version of Radio Shack) but they're hundreds of pages thick, on soppy thin awkward-to-scan paper... maybe one day... |
|
17:21
🔗
|
Baljem |
antomatic: ah, must be one of their full-colour ones from about the mid-90s onwards? ISTR the old two-ink ones were on much thicker stock (and also had much funkier cover art!) |
|
17:30
🔗
|
Schbirid |
ug https://pay.reddit.com/r/datahoarder |
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17:33
🔗
|
godane |
SketchCow: just know that that videos on radioshackcatalog.com i think can be grabbed |
|
17:33
🔗
|
godane |
but i have make a custom web grab after grabbing the site |
|
17:35
🔗
|
godane |
it turns out the pages where there is videos are played you just have to add video.mp4 to url to get the file |
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17:37
🔗
|
antomatic |
Baljem: Not sure, I think they're the older black and white ones - late 80s, possibly one very early 90s. Must dig them out. |
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17:39
🔗
|
joepie93 |
http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/binnenland/politie-breekt-bij-groningse-studenten - "Police officers have broken into 30 student houses yesterday morning, to show that these are often badly secured. If the students weren't home, the officers left behind proof in the form of a polaroid photo of them posing in the room. Some photos were also put on Facebook." |
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17:40
🔗
|
touya |
joepie93: heh, basically what some hackers do |
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17:40
🔗
|
joepie93 |
touya: except hackers normally don't violate the goddamn place where you live |
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17:41
🔗
|
touya |
i wonder what they'd do if they find, say, a few ounce of weed |
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17:42
🔗
|
antomatic |
Wow - isn't that *exactly* the kind of thing that there are specific laws to prevent? |
|
17:42
🔗
|
sep332_ |
student housing has different rules |
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17:43
🔗
|
joepie93 |
a house is a goddamn house |
|
17:43
🔗
|
joepie93 |
student, purchased, or otherwise |
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17:43
🔗
|
sep332_ |
but the student doesn't own the house. |
|
17:44
🔗
|
sep332_ |
it was probably done with the permission of the actual owner. |
|
17:44
🔗
|
joepie93 |
sep332_: that really doesn't matter a bit |
|
17:44
🔗
|
joepie93 |
in fact, even in Dutch law that doesn't matter |
|
17:44
🔗
|
joepie93 |
this is 'huisvredebreuk', simple as that |
|
17:44
🔗
|
Baljem |
antomatic: ah, that's interesting, perhaps my memory is playing tricks on me. I remember the late 80s/early 90s ones as being better, with the later colour ones being awful thin clay-coated stock. |
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17:45
🔗
|
Baljem |
I wonder if I still have any lying around. probably got thrown out by my parents when I was at university, along with most of 10+ years of PC Plus magazine... |
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17:45
🔗
|
antomatic |
I might be misremembering - the pages may be thicker than I remember. Pretty chunky volumes in any case. :) |
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17:46
🔗
|
Baljem |
yeah, I remember them being something like an inch and a half thick or so. like a proper old phone book or two |
|
17:46
🔗
|
godane |
SketchCow: from the looks of things it don't look like you did a full mirror of radioshackcatalogs.com |
|
17:46
🔗
|
godane |
based on the script and the folder you point too |
|
17:46
🔗
|
antomatic |
I just have this mental image that if I tried to scan them I'd end up with print-through from the other side of the paper. Maybe not, though! |
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17:46
🔗
|
godane |
i have over 12gb right now |
|
17:46
🔗
|
Baljem |
joepie93: there was a piece on the tellybox here the other night about a police force - perhaps Manchester - reminding students about household security by popping helium balloons through open windows |
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17:47
🔗
|
Baljem |
seems a better approach than actually getting in and taking photos! |
|
17:47
🔗
|
antomatic |
Simpsons Cable Guy excuse: "Your door wasn't locked in any serious manner." |
|
17:49
🔗
|
Baljem |
ah, thank you - I was reminded of that quote the other day but couldn't place which episode it was from. (not that I bothered looking it up, mind) |
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17:50
🔗
|
godane |
http://www.avclub.com/articles/homer-vs-lisa-and-the-8th-commandment,48589/ |
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17:50
🔗
|
godane |
i was just thinking this |
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18:54
🔗
|
godane |
so the wifi kill the dump of radioshackcatalogs.com |
|
19:00
🔗
|
godane |
i'm going to regrab it without hi-res images |
|
19:00
🔗
|
godane |
and then to a grab of just hi-res images later |
|
19:13
🔗
|
touya |
what's archive's stance on 'real' abandonware |
|
19:14
🔗
|
touya |
by real i mean: no means of acquiring software legally anymore |
|
19:14
🔗
|
touya |
they are abandoned, but still have copyright |
|
19:24
🔗
|
touya |
mhm., k. |
|
19:26
🔗
|
odie5533_ |
touya: well, one class of abandonware would be games from commercially successful franchises |
|
19:27
🔗
|
odie5533_ |
like old batman games. The copyright holders might not care if you share old batman games, but to them the Batman IP is still very lucrative and closely guarded |
|
19:27
🔗
|
odie5533_ |
also, see http://www.retrothing.com/2007/05/console_classix.html |
|
19:28
🔗
|
odie5533_ |
(thanks to DFJustin for that link) |
|
19:28
🔗
|
odie5533_ |
IA does have that new javascript-based game player though. so IA might not actually care. |
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19:28
🔗
|
touya |
yeah, or like amiga kickstart roms |
|
19:29
🔗
|
odie5533_ |
What are those? |
|
19:29
🔗
|
touya |
basically the OS of amiga |
|
19:29
🔗
|
touya |
they were ROM chips on amigas |
|
19:29
🔗
|
touya |
and they offered them on disk as well |
|
19:30
🔗
|
touya |
so basically you first had to boot the OS, then you could load games |
|
19:30
🔗
|
touya |
if you run an amiga emulator you will need a kickstart ROM |
|
19:31
🔗
|
odie5533_ |
Have you ever heard of anyone complaining about people sharing them? |
|
19:31
🔗
|
touya |
they can't be obtained for decades, but it's actually illegal to copy them as copyright still applies |
|
19:31
🔗
|
touya |
well the problem is |
|
19:31
🔗
|
touya |
it's unlikely to get sued for this |
|
19:31
🔗
|
touya |
but the copyright can be bought |
|
19:31
🔗
|
touya |
and potential legal trouble follows |
|
19:32
🔗
|
touya |
and yes, it happened, in the past at least |
|
19:32
🔗
|
odie5533 |
regarding amiga kickstart roms? |
|
19:32
🔗
|
touya |
they founded amiga inc. later .. they didn't sell anything .. |
|
19:32
🔗
|
touya |
but tried to get money form lawsuits |
|
19:32
🔗
|
touya |
at least in germany |
|
19:33
🔗
|
touya |
wasn't successful though |
|
19:33
🔗
|
touya |
but still a hassle for everyone involved |
|
19:33
🔗
|
touya |
abandonware is really a weird greyzone |
|
19:33
🔗
|
odie5533 |
well, I believe IA is protected by DMCA safe harbor, so if a random, perhaps anonymous user uploads something that turns out to be a problem, IA need only remove the offending artifact. The user that uploaded it could be held accountable though. |
|
19:34
🔗
|
touya |
ah okay |
|
19:34
🔗
|
touya |
i didn't know that |
|
19:34
🔗
|
odie5533 |
I assume IA maintains safe harbor status. Someone from IA would have to confirm that though. |
|
19:36
🔗
|
touya |
they should either way i hope |
|
19:36
🔗
|
touya |
anyone could upload shit |
|
19:36
🔗
|
SketchCow |
Let's talk about this for years |
|
19:37
🔗
|
touya |
SketchCow: you should come to 30c3. |
|
19:37
🔗
|
SketchCow |
I want threads of the argument passed from father to son in a tribal ritual |
|
19:37
🔗
|
pft |
only if there can be feces-throwing included |
|
19:37
🔗
|
SketchCow |
that's part of the ritual |
|
19:37
🔗
|
touya |
well, sorry my ignorance |
|
19:38
🔗
|
touya |
i really don't know what the general stance is |
|
19:38
🔗
|
odie5533 |
SketchCow: why is this topic not worth discussing? |
|
19:38
🔗
|
SketchCow |
Did I say that? |
|
19:38
🔗
|
SketchCow |
I said no, go ahead, discuss it so much you lose a tooth |
|
19:38
🔗
|
SketchCow |
Grind the tooth into powder |
|
19:38
🔗
|
SketchCow |
Add beets |
|
19:38
🔗
|
SketchCow |
Write "ABANDONWARE" on your forehead with it |
|
19:39
🔗
|
touya |
we'll tatoo it |
|
19:39
🔗
|
touya |
anyway, no comment on 30c3? |
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19:39
🔗
|
SketchCow |
Well, I'm not going. Is that a comment? |
|
19:39
🔗
|
touya |
yes :( |
|
19:40
🔗
|
odie5533 |
it's in germany |
|
19:40
🔗
|
SketchCow |
Yes. |
|
19:40
🔗
|
touya |
quite so. hence cooler than defcon! |
|
19:43
🔗
|
touya |
SketchCow: how about camp 2015? |
|
19:43
🔗
|
SketchCow |
Maybe. |
|
19:44
🔗
|
SketchCow |
Are these requests for a reason? |
|
19:44
🔗
|
touya |
well, sure. would like to talk to you in person again. |
|
20:05
🔗
|
* |
touya watches langoliers |
|
20:23
🔗
|
undersco2 |
touya: odie5533: IA maintains safe harbor. If $user that we don't control uploads something and we get a DMCA notice, we stop distributing it. It will stay in the dark archive, though. |
|
20:24
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|
undersco2 |
So that it is at least preserved for whenever it is finally "historic" and "distributable" again |
|
20:25
🔗
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odie5533 |
undersco2: thanks for clarifying. Do you work for IA? |
|
20:25
🔗
|
undersco2 |
Aye |
|
20:25
🔗
|
undersco2 |
Though I speak in no official capacity |
|
20:28
🔗
|
touya |
undersco2: ah, thanks |
|
20:28
🔗
|
touya |
well., you're credible, though |
|
20:29
🔗
|
undersco2 |
:) |
|
20:29
🔗
|
touya |
undersco2: did you see that reddit thread? |
|
20:29
🔗
|
undersco2 |
which? |
|
20:29
🔗
|
pft |
http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1q3dyk/the_internet_archive_seeks_donations_after_fire/ |
|
20:30
🔗
|
touya |
yes that, thanks |
|
20:30
🔗
|
touya |
made front page a few hours ago |
|
20:37
🔗
|
w0rp |
I hope IA gets all the donations it needs to recover soon, because IA is really cool. |
|
21:11
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|
phillipsj |
The Pirate Party advocates solving abandonware problems with drastically reduced copyright terms. |
|
21:12
🔗
|
phillipsj |
How drastic varies from Pirate to Pirate ;) |
|
21:13
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|
w0rp |
I'd love to see some archived pages explaining the "delete within 24 hours" rule made "legal" by "Clinton." |
|
21:15
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|
touya |
how to .. do input here, difficult |
|
21:16
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|
touya |
joepie may remember, we had the idea of puttina project together that will allow you to listen to the top-100 charts, updated hourly |
|
21:16
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|
w0rp |
http://www.oocities.org/sesshomaruv2/psprules.htm <- It's mentioned on a GeoCities page. |
|
21:16
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|
touya |
just needs an anonymous domain, and some coding |
|
21:17
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|
touya |
not that we cared about any of these songs, but just to annoy RIAA |
|
21:17
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|
touya |
click buttons to download |
|
21:18
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|
touya |
even make app to play from your iphone |
|
21:36
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|
antomatic |
I'll admit to being quite surprised at some of the titles in the JSMESS collection - Knight Lore on the Spectrum specifically, as 'Ultimate Play The Game' have historically always been absolutely unwilling to endorse or co-operate with any emulation attempts. |
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21:37
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|
antomatic |
(All Ultimate games are specifically denied at World Of Spectrum, for example, one site which really does go the extra mile to seek, and often obtain, actual permission from the creators in question.) |
|
21:37
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|
antomatic |
Ultimate (now Rare) and Activision are two longstanding refusers, for example. |
|
21:38
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|
antomatic |
Then again, I guess in-browser emulation may be seen differently to 'actual download' in some rightsholders eyes. |
|
21:39
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|
yipdw |
IT'S STREAMING!!!! |
|
21:39
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|
yipdw |
or something |
|
21:39
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|
antomatic |
Mm, exactly! :) |
|
21:41
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|
phillipsj |
I hear a sling-box style device got int trouble for running ads about showing video on your TV: "Internet" streaming is apparently cheaper than "TV" streaming. |
|
21:42
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|
* |
phillipsj hates terms dependent on what your computer looks like. |
|
21:43
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|
antomatic |
Oh god yes. |
|
21:44
🔗
|
antomatic |
"Stream this to your computer? Fine! Connect that computer to your TV? NO!!" |
|
21:44
🔗
|
antomatic |
"Streaming to the wrong type of screen is THEFT!" |
|
22:38
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|
phillipsj |
Even SUN was guilty: not allow to use Java on portable devices. (Adobe has a similar policy for flash) |
|
23:07
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|
closure |
http://www.reddit.com/r/datahoarder |
|
23:09
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|
DFJustin |
someone get those guys in here |