[00:00] is there any way to just use less RAM? [00:00] do less things [00:00] gotta run less programs I guess [00:00] Or switch to less RAM hoggy programs, if you use anything that's infamously piggy [00:01] there's probably a way to force less caching and read-aheads if you really want to do that [00:01] remove RAM from the machine [00:01] that'll use less [00:01] I think default windows installs use a lot of RAM just to idle =/ [00:01] browsers tend to hog RAM [00:01] well [00:01] what metric are you looking at for "used" [00:02] windows has a tendency to use ram as a file cache [00:02] Windows uses a lot but a lot of it isn't actually wired [00:02] or active [00:02] you should be looking at free+inactive RAM (or the equivalent) [00:02] as well as swap usage [00:02] in OS X, inactive RAM is RAM used as cache [00:02] and in any OS, increasing swap usage means you're running out of RAM [00:02] Windows will always use some swap, and won't work properly without a page file [00:04] also applications would start much slower [00:05] i'm going after a website of church i went to [00:05] i think i can saved 3 years of old files on there [00:10] balrog: how much RAM do you have? [00:10] 16GB [00:11] jesus christ. [00:11] yeah I probably should get more then. [00:11] damn [00:11] how much do you have? [00:11] 4 GB [00:11] 8GB is enough for most people [00:11] odie5533: I recently upgraded to 8GB from 4GB on my laptop and it was a huge improvement [00:11] my machine would hang when doing a -j9 compile with 8GB though [00:11] it's always a full bar when I go to Performance in task manager. [00:11] well, not hang as much as slow down [00:12] 16GB fixed that... and when I got the RAM, it was only $100 [00:12] I think it's Firefox that uses most of my RAM. [00:12] RAM went up in cost since then... now, 16GB is more like $160 [00:12] odie5533: firefox is a memory hog. [00:12] also got a really good deal on this SSD [00:12] REGULAR SSD prices have gone way up since [00:13] Is any browser less of a memory hog? [00:13] unfortunately, not really [00:13] I constantly close and re-open firefox, because when I do that it unloads all the tabs and then only loads tabs when I click on one again. [00:14] firefox isn't that bad [00:14] would having more memory help this? [00:14] at least it works fine for me on a laptop with 4 GB of RAM [00:14] do you run other programs as well? [00:14] if so, then yes [00:14] Firefox got a lot better in recent versions - it used to be really bad, but within the past year it's gotten better than the other browsers [00:14] SSD prices are about $1/gb these days, maybe somewhat more [00:14] mistym: the version of Safari that came with 10.8 would leak HORRIBLY [00:14] Yes, I do. An IDE, an Email client, and an RSS Reader all seem to eat up more RAM than they should. [00:15] I actually was running WebKit nightlies for a while because of that [00:15] balrog: Eww :( Didn't use it much in that era [00:15] the latest version finally fixed it [00:15] I upgraded to a hybrid-SSD in my laptop - fairly cheap, good performance (if not as good as a full SSD) [00:15] yeah, Facebook and Twitter especially would cause it to leak [00:15] I have a 480gb Intel 520 in here [00:15] some firefox stats https://areweslimyet.com/ [00:15] I stupidly bought an SSD but don't have SATA3 so it's basically useless. [00:15] got it for... $370 [00:16] 77 cents per gb for a massive SSD guaranteed for 5 years ... good luck with that today :/ [00:16] odie5533: false, it's not "basically useless" [00:16] the main benefit of an SSD is the nearly nonexistent seek times [00:17] ah, that's true [00:17] hard disk seek times are measured in ms, while ssd seek times are measured in ns [00:17] that's a 10^6 difference [00:17] when 16GB ram and a sata2 480GB SSD arent enough . . . . [00:17] BiggieJon: one of my friends has a system with 96GB of RAM and multiple SSDs [00:17] for video editing and encoding [00:17] if you do video work sure [00:18] I sorta need to upgrade my whole computer. But it's too expensive and time-consuming... [00:29] balrog: what is -j9? an optimization setting? [00:42] * balrog runs make with 9 jobs to keep the CPU busy [00:42] (-j9 that is) [00:43] ah [00:43] I never have to run make. Just another one of the benefits of using Windows. [00:44] balrog: An old work machine of mine ran builds with -j24 because of its unreasonable number of CPUs [00:44] haha... nice [00:44] I think my computer doesn't even need to have 'make'. [00:44] you probably use visual studio [00:44] balrog: But it was running Snow Leopard, which is when Apple's process limit was pretty low [00:44] ...which uses nmake behind the scenes. [00:44] ...and I was using Chrome at the time [00:45] ouch! yeah I can see where that would end up [00:45] Yeah! It took me awhile to figure out what was causing the random build failures [00:46] have they really raised the limit that much in newer versions? [00:47] I still seem to run into it on occasion [00:52] Not sure by how much exactly. I think it was roughly doubled - I'm seeing references to kern.maxproc being 532 on 10.6, while it was raised to 1064 in 10.7 [01:03] I never have to run make. Just another one of the benefits of using Windows. [01:03] you generally only need to run make (or another compiler) when you're developing things [01:03] no difference in that sense between Windows, OS X and any sane Linux distro [01:04] joepie91: or running gentoo or arch I think. [01:06] :p [01:06] odie5533: hence "sane Linux distro" [01:07] harsh [01:09] there are other reasons for compiling, though [01:09] some software is only provided as source [01:18] ...and probably that software isn't going to give you compiled versions on Windows [01:22] and dutch net neutrality failed again. [01:26] M1das: net neutrality? NL? good joke! [01:27] :P [01:28] yeah [01:28] uploaded: https://archive.org/details/www.d-addicts.com-forum-viewtopic-20131112 [01:28] about half of that is just images [01:28] and now we are defending it in the eur-shitter [01:29] and uncompressed its about 10gb of html and 1.6gb of images [01:32] M1das: https://tweakers.net/nieuws/92538/overheid-spoort-onlinekopers-zwaar-vuurwerk-op.html [01:32] all my what [01:33] now [01:33] sleep [01:33] night! [01:35] Wat houdt dit doel in? [01:35] WRONG Midas WRONG! [01:36] night joepie91 [01:42] i'm uploading Fact Or Fictional now [01:42] thats another 6gb series from rev3 [02:49] heh [02:49] http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/11/craig-cobb-white-supremacist-black_n_4256360.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular [02:50] saw this on OSnews: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_VlI6IBEJ0 QNX 1.4 megabyte floppy disk demo- with OS, HTML 3 browser, and GUI interface (from 1999) [02:51] I used to have a copy of the QNX demo disk [02:51] can't find it anymore though [03:21] yipdw: :/ [03:21] yipdw: I know that Lord_Nigh emailed someone about it and that person told him that the disk was misplaced... [03:21] yeah [03:21] that disk came out when I was, like, 16 [03:21] :P [03:22] it never occurred to me to save a copy away [03:24] was this the 90s disk or the 80s disk [03:24] ? [03:24] I asked Lord_Nigh and he said he has the 90s disk and even the source code but he's after the version from the 80s [03:27] the 90s disk [03:27] I don't think I ever saw the 80s one [04:05] theres iirc 6 versions of the 90s qnx disk [04:05] 3 network versions [04:05] 3 modem versions [04:05] i have images of all 6 iirc [04:05] somewhere [04:39] i'm grabbing the download files from d-addicts.com [04:39] more images, zip files, and subtitle files to come to IA [05:24] yipdw: ftp://212.160.170.220/pub/demo/QNX/ HAD the qnx demo disks [05:52] i have a local mirror [05:56] https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/79094972/212.160.170.220.tar.gz [05:58] w00t the big transfer of bpmmicro ftp is done [17:43] when you guys pull a WARC do you browse it to ensure it's decent before uploading to ia? [17:45] * yipdw does [17:51] * joepie91 doesn't [17:51] generally when I WARC something it's just before it goes down [17:51] :P [17:51] so even if it isn't decent, there's no way to fix it [17:54] ahahha fair enough [18:15] I'm working on writing tools to make it easier to check that they are decent. [18:15] good deal [18:15] https://github.com/odie5533/WarcQtViewer [18:16] nice [18:16] i've used the warc proxy before [18:16] Sadly, my WarcQtViewer doesn't work with large files yet. [18:17] A problem I'm currently addressing. [19:45] just introduced my company's attorney to RECAP, he says "this is awesome!" [19:59] I left Firefox on while I was out... 90% of RAM consumed by it, on a 16GB machine. ... Fucking Mozilla. [21:03] http://www.crowdfundinsider.com/2013/11/26410-victims-backer-scam-vent-kickstarter-forum-allege-150-campaigns-affected/ [21:15] DFJustin: sweet way to get some money:/ [21:17] that's fraud [21:19] I joined at the wrong time didn't I [21:20] http://www.crowdfundinsider.com/2013/11/26410-victims-backer-scam-vent-kickstarter-forum-allege-150-campaigns-affected/ [21:33] you guys are getting 69975 download ids from www.d-addicts.com [21:34] this should cover the links in the forum viewtopic dump [22:26] w0rp: there's big improvements on the way, and if you've got higher amounts of memory usage then normal, you could try resetting the firefox profile- that seems to help [23:07] https://www.youtube.com/user/danooct1/videos I happened upon a YouTube account of a guy recording videos of 90's computer viruses and stuff. This is great. [23:11] here's one where they track down the creator of the first virus, Brain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnedOWfPKT0 [23:12] Oh hey, I remember that guy. I watched a Defcon talk from him on the history of computer viruses where he mentioned this. [23:22] Reading about early viruses brought me to this 1988 NYT article on MacMag: http://www.nytimes.com/1988/03/17/business/a-virus-gives-business-a-chill.html (I was curious about the story about MacMac infecting Freehand floppies) [23:26] Early PC viruses were great, because they were all, "You have been hacked by the 1337 hacker FlameLord," with ASCII art and shit. [23:27] I remember having one on my Windows machine that moved icons slightly away from where the cursor was, like a repelling magnet. That's all it did. [23:28] hahaha [23:28] good one [23:28] You could still, say, use the arrow keys and hit return to get around it till you removed it. Once you stopped having fun with it, that is. [23:31] uploaded: https://archive.org/details/www.d-addicts.com-download-1-to-69775-20131113 [23:32] I remember reading about ransom viruses that made you play a game of chance for your data [23:33] http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/11/sandwich-com-and-other-domains-yahoo-has-held-back-from-greatness/ [23:33] yahoo has a garage sale [23:35] nice, the subtitles in particular are excellent to archive because it's a lot of work and for the vast majority of the material it's the only translation that will ever be done [23:41] Time to raise money for donations so Archive Team can ironically buy raging.com from Yahoo and then use it to host the Geocities backup. [23:42]

Yahoo is Bullshit!

Oh look, Geocities

[23:42] DFJustin: just know alot of images files in the download dump maybe in the viewtopic dump of d-addicts.com [23:43] Penn and Teller assure me that "is Bullshit" is wording that keeps you free from lawsuits. [23:43] this is cause images are displayed but also may have a download.php?id=# url [23:45] Is Yahoo keeping the geocities domain? [23:48] unfortunately that's not for sale this time [23:49] yipdw: we respect robots.txt at crawl time [23:49] and check it on every page load at render time