| Time |
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Message |
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odie5533 |
is there any way to just use less RAM? |
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00:00
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dashcloud |
do less things |
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00:00
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odie5533 |
gotta run less programs I guess |
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00:00
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mistym |
Or switch to less RAM hoggy programs, if you use anything that's infamously piggy |
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00:01
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dashcloud |
there's probably a way to force less caching and read-aheads if you really want to do that |
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00:01
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yipdw |
remove RAM from the machine |
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00:01
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yipdw |
that'll use less |
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00:01
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odie5533 |
I think default windows installs use a lot of RAM just to idle =/ |
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00:01
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balrog |
browsers tend to hog RAM |
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00:01
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yipdw |
well |
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00:01
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yipdw |
what metric are you looking at for "used" |
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00:02
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pft |
windows has a tendency to use ram as a file cache |
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00:02
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yipdw |
Windows uses a lot but a lot of it isn't actually wired |
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00:02
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yipdw |
or active |
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00:02
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balrog |
you should be looking at free+inactive RAM (or the equivalent) |
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00:02
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balrog |
as well as swap usage |
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00:02
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balrog |
in OS X, inactive RAM is RAM used as cache |
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00:02
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balrog |
and in any OS, increasing swap usage means you're running out of RAM |
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00:02
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balrog |
Windows will always use some swap, and won't work properly without a page file |
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00:04
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touya |
also applications would start much slower |
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00:05
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godane |
i'm going after a website of church i went to |
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00:05
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godane |
i think i can saved 3 years of old files on there |
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00:10
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odie5533 |
balrog: how much RAM do you have? |
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00:10
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balrog |
16GB |
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00:11
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odie5533 |
jesus christ. |
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00:11
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odie5533 |
yeah I probably should get more then. |
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00:11
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odie5533 |
damn |
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00:11
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balrog |
how much do you have? |
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00:11
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odie5533 |
4 GB |
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00:11
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balrog |
8GB is enough for most people |
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00:11
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mistym |
odie5533: I recently upgraded to 8GB from 4GB on my laptop and it was a huge improvement |
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00:11
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balrog |
my machine would hang when doing a -j9 compile with 8GB though |
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00:11
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odie5533 |
it's always a full bar when I go to Performance in task manager. |
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00:11
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balrog |
well, not hang as much as slow down |
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00:12
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balrog |
16GB fixed that... and when I got the RAM, it was only $100 |
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00:12
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odie5533 |
I think it's Firefox that uses most of my RAM. |
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00:12
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balrog |
RAM went up in cost since then... now, 16GB is more like $160 |
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00:12
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balrog |
odie5533: firefox is a memory hog. |
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00:12
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balrog |
also got a really good deal on this SSD |
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00:12
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balrog |
REGULAR SSD prices have gone way up since |
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00:13
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odie5533 |
Is any browser less of a memory hog? |
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00:13
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balrog |
unfortunately, not really |
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00:13
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odie5533 |
I constantly close and re-open firefox, because when I do that it unloads all the tabs and then only loads tabs when I click on one again. |
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00:14
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yipdw |
firefox isn't that bad |
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00:14
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odie5533 |
would having more memory help this? |
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00:14
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yipdw |
at least it works fine for me on a laptop with 4 GB of RAM |
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00:14
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balrog |
do you run other programs as well? |
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00:14
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balrog |
if so, then yes |
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00:14
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mistym |
Firefox got a lot better in recent versions - it used to be really bad, but within the past year it's gotten better than the other browsers |
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00:14
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balrog |
SSD prices are about $1/gb these days, maybe somewhat more |
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00:14
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balrog |
mistym: the version of Safari that came with 10.8 would leak HORRIBLY |
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00:14
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odie5533 |
Yes, I do. An IDE, an Email client, and an RSS Reader all seem to eat up more RAM than they should. |
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00:15
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balrog |
I actually was running WebKit nightlies for a while because of that |
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00:15
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mistym |
balrog: Eww :( Didn't use it much in that era |
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00:15
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balrog |
the latest version finally fixed it |
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00:15
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mistym |
I upgraded to a hybrid-SSD in my laptop - fairly cheap, good performance (if not as good as a full SSD) |
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00:15
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balrog |
yeah, Facebook and Twitter especially would cause it to leak |
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00:15
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balrog |
I have a 480gb Intel 520 in here |
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00:15
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DFJustin |
some firefox stats https://areweslimyet.com/ |
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00:15
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odie5533 |
I stupidly bought an SSD but don't have SATA3 so it's basically useless. |
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00:15
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balrog |
got it for... $370 |
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00:16
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balrog |
77 cents per gb for a massive SSD guaranteed for 5 years ... good luck with that today :/ |
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00:16
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balrog |
odie5533: false, it's not "basically useless" |
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00:16
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balrog |
the main benefit of an SSD is the nearly nonexistent seek times |
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00:17
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odie5533 |
ah, that's true |
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00:17
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balrog |
hard disk seek times are measured in ms, while ssd seek times are measured in ns |
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00:17
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balrog |
that's a 10^6 difference |
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00:17
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BiggieJon |
when 16GB ram and a sata2 480GB SSD arent enough . . . . |
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00:17
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balrog |
BiggieJon: one of my friends has a system with 96GB of RAM and multiple SSDs |
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00:17
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balrog |
for video editing and encoding |
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00:17
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BiggieJon |
if you do video work sure |
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00:18
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odie5533 |
I sorta need to upgrade my whole computer. But it's too expensive and time-consuming... |
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00:29
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odie5533 |
balrog: what is -j9? an optimization setting? |
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00:42
🔗
|
* |
balrog runs make with 9 jobs to keep the CPU busy |
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00:42
🔗
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balrog |
(-j9 that is) |
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00:43
🔗
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odie5533 |
ah |
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00:43
🔗
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odie5533 |
I never have to run make. Just another one of the benefits of using Windows. |
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00:44
🔗
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mistym |
balrog: An old work machine of mine ran builds with -j24 because of its unreasonable number of CPUs |
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00:44
🔗
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balrog |
haha... nice |
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00:44
🔗
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odie5533 |
I think my computer doesn't even need to have 'make'. |
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00:44
🔗
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balrog |
you probably use visual studio |
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00:44
🔗
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mistym |
balrog: But it was running Snow Leopard, which is when Apple's process limit was pretty low |
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00:44
🔗
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balrog |
...which uses nmake behind the scenes. |
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00:44
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mistym |
...and I was using Chrome at the time |
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00:45
🔗
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balrog |
ouch! yeah I can see where that would end up |
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00:45
🔗
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mistym |
Yeah! It took me awhile to figure out what was causing the random build failures |
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00:46
🔗
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balrog |
have they really raised the limit that much in newer versions? |
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00:47
🔗
|
balrog |
I still seem to run into it on occasion |
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00:52
🔗
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mistym |
Not sure by how much exactly. I think it was roughly doubled - I'm seeing references to kern.maxproc being 532 on 10.6, while it was raised to 1064 in 10.7 |
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01:03
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joepie91 |
<odie5533>I never have to run make. Just another one of the benefits of using Windows. |
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01:03
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joepie91 |
you generally only need to run make (or another compiler) when you're developing things |
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01:03
🔗
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joepie91 |
no difference in that sense between Windows, OS X and any sane Linux distro |
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01:04
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odie5533 |
joepie91: or running gentoo or arch I think. |
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01:06
🔗
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joepie91 |
:p |
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01:06
🔗
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joepie91 |
odie5533: hence "sane Linux distro" |
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01:07
🔗
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odie5533 |
harsh |
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01:09
🔗
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touya |
there are other reasons for compiling, though |
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01:09
🔗
|
touya |
some software is only provided as source |
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01:18
🔗
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mistym |
...and probably that software isn't going to give you compiled versions on Windows |
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01:22
🔗
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M1das |
and dutch net neutrality failed again. |
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01:26
🔗
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joepie91 |
M1das: net neutrality? NL? good joke! |
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01:27
🔗
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joepie91 |
:P |
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01:28
🔗
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M1das |
yeah |
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01:28
🔗
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godane |
uploaded: https://archive.org/details/www.d-addicts.com-forum-viewtopic-20131112 |
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01:28
🔗
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godane |
about half of that is just images |
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01:28
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M1das |
and now we are defending it in the eur-shitter |
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01:29
🔗
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godane |
and uncompressed its about 10gb of html and 1.6gb of images |
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01:32
🔗
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joepie91 |
M1das: https://tweakers.net/nieuws/92538/overheid-spoort-onlinekopers-zwaar-vuurwerk-op.html |
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01:32
🔗
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joepie91 |
all my what |
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01:33
🔗
|
joepie91 |
now |
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01:33
🔗
|
joepie91 |
sleep |
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01:33
🔗
|
joepie91 |
night! |
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01:35
🔗
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M1das |
Wat houdt dit doel in? |
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01:35
🔗
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M1das |
WRONG Midas WRONG! |
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01:36
🔗
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M1das |
night joepie91 |
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01:42
🔗
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godane |
i'm uploading Fact Or Fictional now |
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01:42
🔗
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godane |
thats another 6gb series from rev3 |
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02:49
🔗
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yipdw |
heh |
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02:49
🔗
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yipdw |
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/11/craig-cobb-white-supremacist-black_n_4256360.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular |
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02:50
🔗
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dashcloud |
saw this on OSnews: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_VlI6IBEJ0 QNX 1.4 megabyte floppy disk demo- with OS, HTML 3 browser, and GUI interface (from 1999) |
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02:51
🔗
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yipdw |
I used to have a copy of the QNX demo disk |
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02:51
🔗
|
yipdw |
can't find it anymore though |
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03:21
🔗
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balrog |
yipdw: :/ |
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03:21
🔗
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balrog |
yipdw: I know that Lord_Nigh emailed someone about it and that person told him that the disk was misplaced... |
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03:21
🔗
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yipdw |
yeah |
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03:21
🔗
|
yipdw |
that disk came out when I was, like, 16 |
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03:21
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yipdw |
:P |
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03:22
🔗
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yipdw |
it never occurred to me to save a copy away |
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03:24
🔗
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balrog |
was this the 90s disk or the 80s disk |
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03:24
🔗
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balrog |
? |
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03:24
🔗
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balrog |
I asked Lord_Nigh and he said he has the 90s disk and even the source code but he's after the version from the 80s |
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03:27
🔗
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yipdw |
the 90s disk |
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03:27
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yipdw |
I don't think I ever saw the 80s one |
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04:05
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Lord_Nigh |
theres iirc 6 versions of the 90s qnx disk |
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04:05
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Lord_Nigh |
3 network versions |
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04:05
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Lord_Nigh |
3 modem versions |
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04:05
🔗
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Lord_Nigh |
i have images of all 6 iirc |
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04:05
🔗
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Lord_Nigh |
somewhere |
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04:39
🔗
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godane |
i'm grabbing the download files from d-addicts.com |
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04:39
🔗
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godane |
more images, zip files, and subtitle files to come to IA |
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05:24
🔗
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Lord_Nigh |
yipdw: ftp://212.160.170.220/pub/demo/QNX/ HAD the qnx demo disks |
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05:52
🔗
|
Lord_Nigh |
i have a local mirror |
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05:56
🔗
|
Lord_Nigh |
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/79094972/212.160.170.220.tar.gz |
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05:58
🔗
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Lord_Nigh |
w00t the big transfer of bpmmicro ftp is done |
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17:43
🔗
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pft |
when you guys pull a WARC do you browse it to ensure it's decent before uploading to ia? |
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17:45
🔗
|
* |
yipdw does |
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17:51
🔗
|
* |
joepie91 doesn't |
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17:51
🔗
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joepie91 |
generally when I WARC something it's just before it goes down |
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17:51
🔗
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joepie91 |
:P |
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17:51
🔗
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joepie91 |
so even if it isn't decent, there's no way to fix it |
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17:54
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pft |
ahahha fair enough |
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18:15
🔗
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odie5533 |
I'm working on writing tools to make it easier to check that they are decent. |
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18:15
🔗
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pft |
good deal |
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18:15
🔗
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odie5533 |
https://github.com/odie5533/WarcQtViewer |
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18:16
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pft |
nice |
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18:16
🔗
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pft |
i've used the warc proxy before |
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18:16
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odie5533 |
Sadly, my WarcQtViewer doesn't work with large files yet. |
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18:17
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odie5533 |
A problem I'm currently addressing. |
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19:45
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xmc |
just introduced my company's attorney to RECAP, he says "this is awesome!" |
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19:59
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w0rp |
I left Firefox on while I was out... 90% of RAM consumed by it, on a 16GB machine. ... Fucking Mozilla. |
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21:03
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DFJustin |
http://www.crowdfundinsider.com/2013/11/26410-victims-backer-scam-vent-kickstarter-forum-allege-150-campaigns-affected/ |
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21:15
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M1das |
DFJustin: sweet way to get some money:/ |
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21:17
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balrog |
that's fraud |
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21:19
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BlueMax |
I joined at the wrong time didn't I |
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21:20
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DFJustin |
<DFJustin> http://www.crowdfundinsider.com/2013/11/26410-victims-backer-scam-vent-kickstarter-forum-allege-150-campaigns-affected/ |
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21:33
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godane |
you guys are getting 69975 download ids from www.d-addicts.com |
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21:34
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godane |
this should cover the links in the forum viewtopic dump |
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22:26
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dashcloud |
w0rp: there's big improvements on the way, and if you've got higher amounts of memory usage then normal, you could try resetting the firefox profile- that seems to help |
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23:07
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w0rp |
https://www.youtube.com/user/danooct1/videos I happened upon a YouTube account of a guy recording videos of 90's computer viruses and stuff. This is great. |
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23:11
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dashcloud |
here's one where they track down the creator of the first virus, Brain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnedOWfPKT0 |
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23:12
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w0rp |
Oh hey, I remember that guy. I watched a Defcon talk from him on the history of computer viruses where he mentioned this. |
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23:22
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mistym |
Reading about early viruses brought me to this 1988 NYT article on MacMag: http://www.nytimes.com/1988/03/17/business/a-virus-gives-business-a-chill.html (I was curious about the story about MacMac infecting Freehand floppies) |
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23:26
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w0rp |
Early PC viruses were great, because they were all, "You have been hacked by the 1337 hacker FlameLord," with ASCII art and shit. |
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23:27
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w0rp |
I remember having one on my Windows machine that moved icons slightly away from where the cursor was, like a repelling magnet. That's all it did. |
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23:28
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xmc |
hahaha |
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23:28
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xmc |
good one |
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23:28
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w0rp |
You could still, say, use the arrow keys and hit return to get around it till you removed it. Once you stopped having fun with it, that is. |
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23:31
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godane |
uploaded: https://archive.org/details/www.d-addicts.com-download-1-to-69775-20131113 |
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23:32
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dashcloud |
I remember reading about ransom viruses that made you play a game of chance for your data |
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23:33
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joepie91 |
http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/11/sandwich-com-and-other-domains-yahoo-has-held-back-from-greatness/ |
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23:33
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joepie91 |
yahoo has a garage sale |
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23:35
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DFJustin |
nice, the subtitles in particular are excellent to archive because it's a lot of work and for the vast majority of the material it's the only translation that will ever be done |
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23:41
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w0rp |
Time to raise money for donations so Archive Team can ironically buy raging.com from Yahoo and then use it to host the Geocities backup. |
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23:42
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w0rp |
<h1>Yahoo is Bullshit!</h1><p><a href="/geocities.bak">Oh look, Geocities</a></p> |
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23:42
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godane |
DFJustin: just know alot of images files in the download dump maybe in the viewtopic dump of d-addicts.com |
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23:43
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w0rp |
Penn and Teller assure me that "is Bullshit" is wording that keeps you free from lawsuits. |
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23:43
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godane |
this is cause images are displayed but also may have a download.php?id=# url |
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23:45
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phillipsj |
Is Yahoo keeping the geocities domain? |
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23:48
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xmc |
unfortunately that's not for sale this time |
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23:49
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|
underscor |
yipdw: we respect robots.txt at crawl time |
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23:49
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underscor |
and check it on every page load at render time |