#archiveteam-bs 2013-12-03,Tue

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00:27 ๐Ÿ”— godane SketchCow: facebook is deleting stuff now: http://www.buzzfeed.com/charliewarzel/facebook-says-its-going-to-purge-low-quality-content-and-mem
00:28 ๐Ÿ”— godane not that they could have been delete stuff for a while
04:12 ๐Ÿ”— Coderjoe not that we can save it
04:18 ๐Ÿ”— ex-parrot I wrote a bot which automatically exports events when the bot is invited to them
04:18 ๐Ÿ”— ex-parrot but, it's pretty solidly against facebook's Ts and Cs I'm sure
04:36 ๐Ÿ”— xmc nice
04:39 ๐Ÿ”— ex-parrot because we have a social club which has mostly drifted over to facebook (it used to exist on a mailing list)
04:39 ๐Ÿ”— ex-parrot but for the sensible folk who stayed on the mailing list it lets them still be invited to things
05:01 ๐Ÿ”— yipdw http://www.wired.com/business/2013/06/amazon-groceries/ <-- old, but I still wonder what's wrong with "hey, go to the fucking market"
05:02 ๐Ÿ”— yipdw guess I'm a luddite
05:02 ๐Ÿ”— Coderjoe but that takes time and getting off your fucking ass
05:02 ๐Ÿ”— Coderjoe and getting off the computer
05:03 ๐Ÿ”— yipdw the first Amazon Fresh driver to troll their customers is my hero
07:09 ๐Ÿ”— ersi yipdw: For what I've understood, it's.. easier to co-ordinate the "life puzzle" with such services.. Or atleast that's what Swedes say who use similar services
07:10 ๐Ÿ”— ersi though here, you usually get a premade bag with recepies and shizzle
07:24 ๐Ÿ”— yipdw ersi: hmm
07:25 ๐Ÿ”— yipdw ersi: I can see how it'd improve organization; I guess there's something really creepy about Amazon serving everything to me though
09:19 ๐Ÿ”— ersi Yeah, we don't have Amazon over here ;p
09:19 ๐Ÿ”— ersi But yeah, I feel creeped out when there's too much reliance on a single actor as well
13:14 ๐Ÿ”— godane shouldn't this item go into archiveteam collection: https://archive.org/details/archiveteam_archivebot_go_005
14:03 ๐Ÿ”— arkiver ey
14:03 ๐Ÿ”— arkiver http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/
14:03 ๐Ÿ”— arkiver shall I start archiving this one?
14:04 ๐Ÿ”— arkiver it is a very big site, but the IA is not allowed according to the robots.txt...
15:07 ๐Ÿ”— ersi do it if you want to
15:07 ๐Ÿ”— ersi no need to ask for permissions to do things ;)
16:00 ๐Ÿ”— Coderjoe weird. that robots.txt file has a comment saying it was intended for a different site.
16:07 ๐Ÿ”— arkiver yeah
16:07 ๐Ÿ”— arkiver whatever lol
16:07 ๐Ÿ”— arkiver gone = gone
16:07 ๐Ÿ”— arkiver so it needs to be archived
16:07 ๐Ÿ”— arkiver :P
16:51 ๐Ÿ”— Schbirid does someone have a good recommendation for GUI-based (~ncurses would be alright too) tool for syncing directories? unison does not transmit timestamps and i find that out after years...
16:53 ๐Ÿ”— DFJustin http://freefilesync.sourceforge.net/
16:54 ๐Ÿ”— DFJustin is what I'm using these days, note the windows installer wants to install various adware things if you don't watch your checkboxes (why are even OSS programs doing this now...)
16:54 ๐Ÿ”— Schbirid actual recommendation?
16:54 ๐Ÿ”— Schbirid nice
16:54 ๐Ÿ”— Schbirid thanks
16:54 ๐Ÿ”— Schbirid OSS != non-evil :(
16:57 ๐Ÿ”— Schbirid hm, it does not sync over ssh does it? i kinda want that :)
17:16 ๐Ÿ”— DFJustin if you mount it to your filesystem it does
17:17 ๐Ÿ”— arkiver Schbirid, do you have windows?
17:19 ๐Ÿ”— Schbirid linux
17:20 ๐Ÿ”— Coderjoe DFJustin: because SF is pushing projects to do it
17:27 ๐Ÿ”— arkiver Schbirid: Can't help you then... :(
17:27 ๐Ÿ”— arkiver I would suggest robocopy of you had windows
17:27 ๐Ÿ”— arkiver Hope you find a solution!
17:27 ๐Ÿ”— arkiver :)
17:30 ๐Ÿ”— m1das rsync? :P
17:31 ๐Ÿ”— m1das oh wait, gui
17:34 ๐Ÿ”— Schbirid it has to be interactive on conflicts
17:35 ๐Ÿ”— Schbirid ffs seems nice so far
17:35 ๐Ÿ”— Schbirid weird gui though
17:36 ๐Ÿ”— Schbirid timestamp is intact (used via sshfs)
17:38 ๐Ÿ”— Schbirid hm,i have to decide between "timestamp and size" and "contents" for the comparison :( i want both
17:51 ๐Ÿ”— Coderjoe you are going to want something that has a server component (like rsync or unison) if you want contents checking. otherwise you will be pulling down full copies of the remote files in order to compare.
19:45 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 very nsfw, but probably needs archiving: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=334_1385864004
21:19 ๐Ÿ”— godane so i'm back up
21:19 ๐Ÿ”— godane looks like r2.co.nz may need a backup
21:19 ๐Ÿ”— godane it has tons of tech vdeos from stuff like webstock
21:20 ๐Ÿ”— godane my problem is that the download speed isn't going past 40kbytes
21:21 ๐Ÿ”— godane i will see what i can do about webstock
21:21 ๐Ÿ”— deathy have an example link? I can try my speed...see if it's the same..
21:21 ๐Ÿ”— godane but everything else maybe on you guys
21:22 ๐Ÿ”— godane http://www.r2.co.nz/20060525/
21:22 ๐Ÿ”— godane that one i'm trying to download
21:24 ๐Ÿ”— godane try one of the videos there
21:25 ๐Ÿ”— deathy godane: well damn... tried the opening vid. from home 20 KB/s, from a server in .de.. 25 KB/s ..
21:26 ๐Ÿ”— deathy oh right.. NZ... 300 ms ping
21:26 ๐Ÿ”— godane so i'm going to do multiable downloads
21:27 ๐Ÿ”— deathy 350 ms ping the 20 KB/s one, 300 ms the 25 KB/s one
21:27 ๐Ÿ”— deathy so kinda directly related to ping..
21:28 ๐Ÿ”— godane whats funny was i went to the site cause IA wayback was slow downloading :P
21:29 ๐Ÿ”— godane that was about 10kbytes better then this
21:30 ๐Ÿ”— godane also by the way the site is setup it looked like squarter site
21:33 ๐Ÿ”— godane ok now getting alot faster speed thur wayback
21:40 ๐Ÿ”— deathy fyi... tried same file from an amazon instance in Sydney... 207 KB/s
21:45 ๐Ÿ”— DFJustin http://i.imgur.com/9LYeblP.gif
21:58 ๐Ÿ”— arkiver godane: shall I start downloading the website tomorrow?
21:59 ๐Ÿ”— godane it will take forever
21:59 ๐Ÿ”— arkiver doesn't matter
21:59 ๐Ÿ”— arkiver :)
21:59 ๐Ÿ”— arkiver I just do it
21:59 ๐Ÿ”— arkiver for as long as it needs to go
21:59 ๐Ÿ”— arkiver ok?
21:59 ๐Ÿ”— godane but you could do is download the html and images and stuff
22:00 ๐Ÿ”— godane that way we can make a list of files on the site
22:00 ๐Ÿ”— arkiver hmm I'll see
22:00 ๐Ÿ”— arkiver but I'm going to sleep now
22:00 ๐Ÿ”— arkiver we'll talk about it tomorrow
22:01 ๐Ÿ”— arkiver then I'll start the download
22:03 ๐Ÿ”— godane i did found out that wayback doesn't like to resume downloads
22:05 ๐Ÿ”— deathy anyone know something 'better' than TIFF Group 4 for b/w scan images? Trying to convert to PNG seems to be twice the size of the TIFF files.
22:05 ๐Ÿ”— deathy starting to wish TIFFs were supported in browsers..
22:05 ๐Ÿ”— xmc b/w as in two-tone, or b/w as in greyscale?
22:06 ๐Ÿ”— deathy 1 bit per pixel
22:06 ๐Ÿ”— xmc two-tone, ok
22:07 ๐Ÿ”— xmc I don't know of anything that browsers support that would be better than png ...
22:07 ๐Ÿ”— balrog deathy: tiff group 4 or jbig2
22:08 ๐Ÿ”— balrog make sure you use lossless jbig2 if you use it
22:08 ๐Ÿ”— deathy balrog: originals are TIFF "Group 4 Fax Encoding"
22:08 ๐Ÿ”— balrog and you want it smaller?
22:08 ๐Ÿ”— deathy things like: original TIFF: 2.5 KB, PNG: 5.5 KB
22:09 ๐Ÿ”— balrog is pdf acceptable?
22:09 ๐Ÿ”— deathy and I have 340 GB of TIFFs
22:09 ๐Ÿ”— deathy urm..not really
22:09 ๐Ÿ”— balrog group 4 tiff can easily be wrapped into pdfs
22:10 ๐Ÿ”— deathy was just thinking of trying out a more 'web-compatible' format, so no need for runtime conversions, but keeping minimal size
22:10 ๐Ÿ”— balrog there isn't any :/
22:11 ๐Ÿ”— deathy was actually surprised at how good the TIFF Group 4 encoding is...
22:12 ๐Ÿ”— balrog jbig2 is much better
22:12 ๐Ÿ”— balrog nowhere near as compatible though
22:13 ๐Ÿ”— Coderjoe jbig2 also leads to stupid errors if you aren't careful :-\
22:13 ๐Ÿ”— deathy oh...I remember now.. "In 2013, various substitutions (including replacing รขย€ยœ6รขย€ย with รขย€ยœ8รขย€ย) were reported to happen on some Xerox Workcentre photocopier and printer machines"
22:14 ๐Ÿ”— balrog Coderjoe: yeah
22:14 ๐Ÿ”— balrog that's in lossy mode
22:27 ๐Ÿ”— Coderjoe i said "if you're not careful". using lossless mode would count as careful

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