| Time |
Nickname |
Message |
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00:29
π
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xmc |
iirc, facebook is https |
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00:29
π
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xmc |
warcproxy doesn't do https, I don't know about warcprox |
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00:29
π
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xmc |
someone needs to come up with a better name next time they write an archiving proxy :) |
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01:46
π
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kyan |
xmc, warcprox does do https. |
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01:47
π
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kyan |
xmc, I didn't get the facebook post unfortunately though since I wasn't expecting it to vanish like thatΓ’ΒΒ¦ |
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01:47
π
|
kyan |
:( |
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01:53
π
|
BiggieJon |
yaaaa, target is fsck'd |
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01:54
π
|
kyan |
It probably could have happened to pretty much any storeΓ’ΒΒ¦ |
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01:54
π
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BiggieJon |
havent really heard what actually happened |
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01:54
π
|
kyan |
I don't think they're saying |
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01:55
π
|
BiggieJon |
they were not useing any excryption on the termionals |
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01:55
π
|
BiggieJon |
so FAIL |
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01:55
π
|
BiggieJon |
i cant type either |
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01:55
π
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kyan |
apparently the crack was nationwide tooΓ’ΒΒ¦ I would assume that compromising one store compromises all of them |
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01:56
π
|
kyan |
not good architecture I dare say |
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01:56
π
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BiggieJon |
AND they already had a major breach a while back, so they should have know that there was an issue with their crappy credit card terminals |
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01:56
π
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kyan |
Hasn't lost me as a customer though, they still seem like one of the saner stores around |
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01:57
π
|
kyan |
I'll just be paying with cash though lol |
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01:58
π
|
kyan |
I hate how bands delete their old music |
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01:58
π
|
kyan |
the bands AJR and Darkside of Innocence both nuke their music off youtube and soundcloud respectively on a regular basis |
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01:59
π
|
kyan |
(from their own channels that is) |
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02:34
π
|
xmc |
that's fucked |
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02:34
π
|
xmc |
but whatever |
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02:37
π
|
kyan |
they probably figure their newer stuff is better |
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02:37
π
|
kyan |
lol |
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02:38
π
|
kyan |
it's all good in my opinion |
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02:39
π
|
kyan |
and some of my favorite tracks have gotten deleted eternally |
|
02:40
π
|
kyan |
(from public view at least, my burned CDs say otherwise) |
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02:40
π
|
kyan |
but it still doesn't seem like a good policy |
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03:08
π
|
Coderjoe |
from the sound of it, it was malware that was installed on pretty much all POS systems at the chain |
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03:08
π
|
Coderjoe |
there have been POS breaches in the past that involved hardware mods to add skimming and retransmission hardware to the card reader devices |
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03:18
π
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DFJustin |
I can sort of see commercial bands that want to just use the internet for promoting new releases |
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03:18
π
|
DFJustin |
but amateur musicians take down stuff all the time (or neglect to reupload when external forces take it down) and it bugs me a lot |
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03:22
π
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kyan |
I imagine more people will get disappointed about AJR in the near futureΓ’ΒΒ¦ they are rapidly becoming more popular, and all of their stuff from ~2009 is (as far as I know) gone |
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03:45
π
|
joepie91 |
kyan: AJR? |
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03:46
π
|
kyan |
joepie91, a band. They delete their old music |
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03:46
π
|
kyan |
it makes me sad |
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03:46
π
|
joepie91 |
wat, why |
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03:46
π
|
kyan |
they got featured in billboard recently, but basically none of their earlier music exists |
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03:46
π
|
kyan |
idk |
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03:46
π
|
kyan |
maybe they think the newer music is better |
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03:47
π
|
kyan |
they used to do more of an acoustic country-ish sound, now they do electronic pop |
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03:47
π
|
kyan |
but I don't know if there's any of that old style music publically available now |
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03:47
π
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joepie91 |
kyan: can you get me a tracklisting? |
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03:48
π
|
kyan |
joepie91, some of it. I added some of earlier stuff to musicbrainz a long time ago |
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03:48
π
|
joepie91 |
and I'll schedule in some internet scouring somewhere in the next few weeks or so :) |
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03:48
π
|
kyan |
1 sec |
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03:48
π
|
joepie91 |
aha |
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03:48
π
|
joepie91 |
discogs have anything? |
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03:48
π
|
kyan |
I'll look, I don't know discogs as well |
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03:49
π
|
kyan |
joepie91, http://musicbrainz.org/artist/2eb55bd9-cfbf-44fd-a5da-92dd825284c7 |
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03:49
π
|
arkhive |
People that have the DS/DSi/3DS demo/download station/kiosk game packs need to dump/copy/upload them. |
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03:49
π
|
joepie91 |
unrelatedly, holy shit, telegraph.co.uk actually _gets_ it |
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03:49
π
|
joepie91 |
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/technology/jamiebartlett/100011868/one-day-amazon-will-accept-bitcoins-thats-when-central-banks-and-governments-get-nervous/ |
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03:49
π
|
joepie91 |
"As a result of manic currency speculation, its value against the dollar is highly erratic." |
|
03:49
π
|
joepie91 |
not "value" |
|
03:49
π
|
joepie91 |
but "value against the dollar" |
|
03:49
π
|
joepie91 |
probably the first time I've seen any media outlet do this right |
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03:49
π
|
joepie91 |
ever |
|
03:49
π
|
joepie91 |
arkhive: there's a bunch floating around on shitty ROM sites |
|
03:49
π
|
joepie91 |
and in ROM packs |
|
03:49
π
|
joepie91 |
in torrents |
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03:50
π
|
arkhive |
oh |
|
03:50
π
|
joepie91 |
they're not very hard to find, just a pain to actually download |
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03:50
π
|
joepie91 |
because of these shitty "vote for us first" ROM sites and such |
|
03:50
π
|
joepie91 |
and sometimes you'll need to download a 1k ROM pack to find a few kiosk packs |
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03:50
π
|
kyan |
joepie91, discogs has only one thing http://www.discogs.com/artist/2308877-AJR |
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03:50
π
|
joepie91 |
because they're all 7z'd or whatever |
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03:50
π
|
kyan |
that I see |
|
03:50
π
|
joepie91 |
and have no game listing |
|
03:51
π
|
joepie91 |
kyan: hm, that seems a false positive |
|
03:51
π
|
kyan |
no, I'm pretty sure that's them |
|
03:51
π
|
joepie91 |
really? hm |
|
03:51
π
|
kyan |
they are into ukelele |
|
03:51
π
|
kyan |
in a big way |
|
03:51
π
|
kyan |
so I would not be surprised |
|
03:52
π
|
kyan |
I'll see if I can find another connection |
|
03:52
π
|
arkhive |
and these. http://www.ebay.com/itm/16gbit-Nintendo-3DS-Development-Cartridge-/221338243453?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item3388c9917d people who buy these should dump 'em |
|
03:52
π
|
arkhive |
i don't know if they do usually |
|
03:52
π
|
kyan |
their official website: http://ajrbrothers.com/ |
|
03:52
π
|
kyan |
I have a bit of their old music, and some of their newer that has gotten pulled from youtube |
|
03:53
π
|
kyan |
but what I have is by no means comprehensive, and is mostly just mp3s/mp4s or burned CDs, no WARCs |
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03:53
π
|
kyan |
joepie91, http://thebeatlescompleteonukulele.com/2011/06/128-the-night-before-ajr/ Not a false positive. |
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03:53
π
|
joepie91 |
kyan: doesn't have to be WARC :) |
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03:53
π
|
kyan |
Well it's a lot nicer that way |
|
03:53
π
|
joepie91 |
WARC is really just for web stuff |
|
03:53
π
|
joepie91 |
don't need that for music |
|
03:53
π
|
kyan |
I got it all from the web |
|
03:54
π
|
joepie91 |
well yes, but for actual web archives I mean :P |
|
03:54
π
|
kyan |
and now wish I had known about warcs when I got it |
|
03:54
π
|
joepie91 |
not just something that happens to be on the web as a file |
|
03:54
π
|
joepie91 |
but actual pages |
|
03:54
π
|
joepie91 |
also, kyan, a shitty MP3 is better than nothing |
|
03:54
π
|
joepie91 |
:) |
|
03:54
π
|
kyan |
lol |
|
03:54
π
|
joepie91 |
so by all means upload it to IA if you can |
|
03:54
π
|
kyan |
I'm not so sure about copyright, I'll probably ask to have it darked I guess |
|
03:55
π
|
kyan |
re warcs, I'm youtube-dl-ing a few channels right now and running it all through warcprox |
|
03:55
π
|
kyan |
I think warcs are nice to have for everything |
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03:55
π
|
kyan |
heh |
|
03:55
π
|
kyan |
although I' m no expert |
|
03:58
π
|
DFJustin |
well worst case IA gets a letter and it gets darked later |
|
03:58
π
|
DFJustin |
so why dark pre-emptively |
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03:58
π
|
joepie91 |
^ |
|
03:58
π
|
joepie91 |
basically, just upload |
|
03:58
π
|
joepie91 |
if the artists care, they'll get it darked |
|
03:59
π
|
kyan |
well worst case I get my ass sued |
|
03:59
π
|
joepie91 |
kyan: doubtful |
|
03:59
π
|
joepie91 |
just a moment :) |
|
03:59
π
|
joepie91 |
kyan: http://falkvinge.net/2013/02/09/youre-still-more-likely-to-get-hit-by-lightning-than-convicted-from-sharing-culture/ |
|
04:00
π
|
kyan |
How does that compare in the US? |
|
04:02
π
|
kyan |
I hear about cases with thousands of defendants, I don't like the sound of that |
|
04:10
π
|
chavezery |
i listened to one song by ajr and now i can't stop ;_; |
|
04:19
π
|
joepie91 |
kyan: like what cases? |
|
04:19
π
|
joepie91 |
because the only case I am aware of is the porn troll case |
|
04:19
π
|
joepie91 |
everything else is just lawyers barking |
|
04:22
π
|
kyan |
joepie91, I don't know the details of it, but I just found this http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/blogs/thr-esq/class-action-targets-law-firm-49753 |
|
04:23
π
|
joepie91 |
kyan: that was killed off some time ago afaik |
|
04:23
π
|
joepie91 |
anyway |
|
04:23
π
|
kyan |
hmm |
|
04:23
π
|
joepie91 |
kyan: let's assume that there are currently 50,000 running cases for copyright infringement against individuals |
|
04:24
π
|
joepie91 |
which is likely faaaaaaar more than the actual amount of serious cases |
|
04:24
π
|
joepie91 |
how many people live in the US? |
|
04:26
π
|
kyan |
300 million or so |
|
04:27
π
|
kyan |
what would need to be compared is the rate of people sharing copyright-restricted content to the rate of cases |
|
04:27
π
|
kyan |
rather than population |
|
04:28
π
|
joepie91 |
kyan: yes, I was going to get there in a moment |
|
04:28
π
|
joepie91 |
kyan: let's take a very conservative estimate; 25% of the population 'pirates' on average one thing a month |
|
04:29
π
|
joepie91 |
in some way, shape or form |
|
04:29
π
|
joepie91 |
that's 75 million cases of 'infringement' per month |
|
04:29
π
|
joepie91 |
court cases typically drag on for at least 6 months |
|
04:29
π
|
joepie91 |
so for court cases currently running, we assume that's comparable with 6 months of piracy overall |
|
04:30
π
|
joepie91 |
6 * 75 = 450 million cases |
|
04:30
π
|
joepie91 |
of which 50,000 would have gone to court |
|
04:30
π
|
joepie91 |
0.00011111111111111112 |
|
04:30
π
|
joepie91 |
>>> 50000 / 450000000.0 |
|
04:30
π
|
joepie91 |
so that'd be a 0.01% chance of getting in trouble, even with these worst-case estimates |
|
04:31
π
|
kyan |
Hmm |
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04:31
π
|
joepie91 |
seems like an okay chance to take for archiving something that's not otherwise available :0 |
|
04:31
π
|
joepie91 |
:) * |
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04:31
π
|
kyan |
Suppose so. |
|
04:32
π
|
joepie91 |
hell, I'll even upload it for you if you want |
|
04:32
π
|
joepie91 |
then it won't even have your email on it |
|
04:32
π
|
kyan |
Hehe, it's an option |
|
04:32
π
|
kyan |
XD |
|
04:34
π
|
kyan |
I've got several things that could use to be archived though, I should probably go through all my data and archive it somehow |
|
04:34
π
|
joepie91 |
:P |
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04:34
π
|
joepie91 |
kyan: meh, if you want me to upload it, let me know and I'll get you an rsync endpoint on my archiving box that you can send stuff to |
|
04:34
π
|
joepie91 |
preferably with some kind of metadata in a file so I don't have to figure that all out by myself :) |
|
04:35
π
|
joepie91 |
(title/artist/date/description/blah) |
|
04:35
π
|
kyan |
Even the most popular of media should be archived. It would be nice if there was a method of recording what has been sent to IA |
|
04:35
π
|
kyan |
Right |
|
04:35
π
|
joepie91 |
how do you mean recording what has been sent to IA? |
|
04:35
π
|
kyan |
so that it could be tracked what files are available, even if darked |
|
04:35
π
|
joepie91 |
ah, in that sense |
|
04:35
π
|
joepie91 |
m |
|
04:35
π
|
joepie91 |
hm * |
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04:35
π
|
kyan |
Keep a database somewhere with a list of identifiers and descriptions |
|
04:36
π
|
joepie91 |
not sure about the legal consequences of something like that, but you could email them |
|
04:36
π
|
joepie91 |
(IA) |
|
04:36
π
|
kyan |
(and quality) |
|
04:36
π
|
joepie91 |
did I mention that I fucking despise copyright and other "intellectual property" law? :P |
|
04:36
π
|
kyan |
Hm. Or even leave off the identifiers, just do it on the honor system |
|
04:36
π
|
chavezery |
joepie: most sensible people hate those :v |
|
04:37
π
|
kyan |
any time there's something that should be archived, could just send it out, request it be darked, and mention the item and the quality |
|
04:37
π
|
kyan |
I think copyright is a necessity, in a certain form |
|
04:37
π
|
kyan |
otherwise plagiarism would be all over the place |
|
04:37
π
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joepie91 |
kyan: "plagiarism" is an invented problem |
|
04:37
π
|
kyan |
but I think copyright should a) legally require archiving and b) require attribution and c) have that be just about it |
|
04:38
π
|
kyan |
no it's not, it's terrible for record keeping |
|
04:38
π
|
joepie91 |
it isn't a real problem |
|
04:38
π
|
joepie91 |
nor a justification for copyright |
|
04:38
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|
joepie91 |
nor the reason copyright exists in the first place |
|
04:38
π
|
joepie91 |
kyan: that is the problem of the record keepers |
|
04:38
π
|
joepie91 |
let's not make that the problem of all of society |
|
04:39
π
|
joepie91 |
kyan: IP was originally introduced to provide a monopoly period in which the creator could recoup their investments (whether financial or in time), and to encourage them to release it publicly so that it'd eventually end up in the public domain |
|
04:39
π
|
joepie91 |
the final goal was to accelerate progress in science and arts |
|
04:39
π
|
kyan |
ok, but I think it should be to enforce good record keeping |
|
04:39
π
|
joepie91 |
there is no conclusive evidence that IP legislation is doing that |
|
04:40
π
|
joepie91 |
there IS conclusive evidence that it's doing the opposite |
|
04:40
π
|
joepie91 |
ergo, IP law has no right of existence |
|
04:40
π
|
kyan |
oh current legislation is all bullsh#7 |
|
04:40
π
|
kyan |
it's got too much complication |
|
04:40
π
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joepie91 |
it's not the complication |
|
04:40
π
|
joepie91 |
it's the core idea |
|
04:40
π
|
joepie91 |
that doesn't work |
|
04:40
π
|
joepie91 |
there is no point in "reforming copyright law" |
|
04:40
π
|
joepie91 |
the base premise is still broken |
|
04:40
π
|
kyan |
hmm, I disagree with that |
|
04:40
π
|
joepie91 |
and has always been broken |
|
04:40
π
|
joepie91 |
it's a failed experiment |
|
04:40
π
|
joepie91 |
which is fine, but it's time to abandon that experiment and move on |
|
04:41
π
|
joepie91 |
also, kyan: I have absolutely no idea at this point what exactly your problem re: record-keeping is |
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04:42
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|
kyan |
hmm. I think the laws should be: Attribution is necessary for any derivative work. Any information published must be added to a centralized archival system upon publication. |
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04:42
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joepie91 |
kyan: that is absolutely ridiculous |
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04:42
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|
joepie91 |
and completely not scalable |
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04:42
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|
kyan |
When a creator wants this information removed, it must be removed from public view but retained in the archive |
|
04:42
π
|
joepie91 |
again, nonsense |
|
04:42
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|
kyan |
Hmm isn't that pretty much what IA is doing |
|
04:43
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joepie91 |
if you do not want something to be public, don't make it public |
|
04:43
π
|
joepie91 |
it's as simple as that |
|
04:43
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|
joepie91 |
you've also omitted any reasoning as to why "attribution is necessary" |
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04:43
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|
kyan |
people make mistakes, the law should respect that |
|
04:43
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|
kyan |
people have a right to their privacy |
|
04:43
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|
joepie91 |
... |
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04:43
π
|
joepie91 |
that's two false arguments |
|
04:43
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|
kyan |
even if they screw up |
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04:43
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|
kyan |
attribution: necessary so that incorrect assumptions regarding authorship are avoided |
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04:44
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|
joepie91 |
1. people make mistakes, the law DOES NOT normally respect that - and it's madness to respect it for certain mistakes but not for others, especially when that has other social implications |
|
04:44
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|
joepie91 |
2. people have a right to their privacy, but that is ENTIRELY unrelated to this |
|
04:44
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|
kyan |
What's the other mistake? |
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04:44
π
|
joepie91 |
privacy is the ability to choose for yourself whether to reveal certain information or not |
|
04:44
π
|
joepie91 |
when you make something public, you have made that decision |
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04:44
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|
kyan |
Privacy: On the contrary, quite related. |
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04:44
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|
joepie91 |
and any privacy arguments fail to apply |
|
04:44
π
|
kyan |
I would have to disagree |
|
04:44
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|
joepie91 |
disagree with? |
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04:45
π
|
kyan |
"when you make something public, you have made that decision" |
|
04:45
π
|
kyan |
I think people should have a right to remove information, to a limited extent, from the public eye |
|
04:45
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|
joepie91 |
what is there to disagree with? that is a logical conclusion |
|
04:45
π
|
joepie91 |
because? |
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04:45
π
|
joepie91 |
what gives them that right? |
|
04:46
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|
kyan |
If they are the creators: it is their work and that right should be inseparable from the act of authorship. |
|
04:46
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joepie91 |
kyan: says who? |
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04:46
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|
joepie91 |
and it's not "their work" |
|
04:46
π
|
joepie91 |
it's the work of them and everybody who made something that it derives from |
|
04:46
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|
joepie91 |
which is quite literally always the case |
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04:47
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|
kyan |
I think the originality qualifications in current copyright law should be applied to the determining of authorship |
|
04:47
π
|
kyan |
While a work may not be entirely non-derivative, it can still be an original work showing sufficient creativity to distinguish it from previous works |
|
04:47
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joepie91 |
kyan: irrelevant |
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joepie91 |
it's still a derivative |
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joepie91 |
kyan: you seem to be arguing not from reason or moral viewpoints, but from a "this is what we consider important right now" point of view |
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joepie91 |
that doesn't work when you're trying to come to a reasonable conclusion |
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joepie91 |
because you're always going to be stuck with things that somehow were a consequence of past mismanagement |
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kyan |
I don't generally worry too much about reasonable conclusions |
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joepie91 |
I do. |
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kyan |
I just have opinions lol |
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kyan |
and because I'm awesome, they must be right. Hey, it's a pretty good rationale if you ask me XD |
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joepie91 |
kyan: my point is, there ARE no original works - it is futile to try and indicate authorship, and society has no benefit from this |
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joepie91 |
additionally, there is nothing that inherently gives somebody the right to remove particular information from public view after exposure |
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kyan |
I think there are derivative works with originality. |
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joepie91 |
feel free to argue those points, but with something other than how it is right now, or consequences thereof |
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kyan |
I don't much care how it is right now, beyond that it's all screwed up. |
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joepie91 |
kyan: I said "original works", not "with originality" |
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joepie91 |
you do care how it is right now |
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kyan |
Which is why I said originality. |
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joepie91 |
your previous arguments were built on it |
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kyan |
Not with pertinence to this discussion |
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joepie91 |
<kyan>If they are the creators: it is their work and that right should be inseparable from the act of authorship. |
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joepie91 |
the only basis I can find here is how "authorship" is perceived -right now- |
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joepie91 |
which is colored by existing IP law |
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kyan |
Ok. |
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kyan |
I'll revise that statement to clarify. |
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kyan |
If someone has created a work that shows substantial distinction from existing works, he or she has a right to remove this new work from public circulation. |
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kyan |
(on the other hand, this creator would not necessarily have a right to remove derivative works thereof from public circulation.) |
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joepie91 |
kyan: because? |
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kyan |
Because they made it what it is. |
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kyan |
Not a good answer, but it's late at night. |
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joepie91 |
indeed not a good answer :P |
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joepie91 |
perhaps get back to me later with an answer to that |
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kyan |
lol ok, I'll sleep on it |
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kyan |
also an issue: misrepresentation of a creator's intention in a derivative work: should be illegal |
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joepie91 |
? |
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kyan |
I'll be back in the morning with a fresh rant prepared on this discussion. |
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kyan |
XD |
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kyan |
I love ranting, it's so much fun. And now I'm getting punchy, so ttyl |
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joepie91 |
:) |
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joepie91 |
goodnight |
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kyan_away |
:) |
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godane |
i'm grabbing the wall builders live podcast |
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godane |
it start in 2006 but i can only go as far back as 2012 |
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godane |
i'm emailing the wall builders live people |
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godane |
i'm hoping to know why old links are removed |
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godane |
emailed sent |
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godane |
i'm uploading 2 pc novice magazines |
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godane |
1996-05 and 1996-06 issues |
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godane |
there going into my godaneinbox |
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godane |
uploaded: https://archive.org/details/pc-novice-1996-05 |
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godane |
uploaded: https://archive.org/details/pc-novice-1996-06 |
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joepie91 |
lol |
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joepie91 |
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joepie91 |
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joepie91 |
asshats, lol |
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joepie91 |
it'd be a drop in the financial bucket to grandfather in the "earliest users" |
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joepie91 |
into a free plan |
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godane |
i'm grabbing the blackcats-games forums |
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arkiver |
sorted the projects list to the dates when they are closing: |
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arkiver |
http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Projects |
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chavezery |
i don't much care for liberals or conservatives (at least the politicians) :| |
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chavezery |
http://liberapedia.wikia.com/wiki/Libertarianism |
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chavezery |
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Coderjoe |
http://boingboing.net/2013/12/21/discordian-archive-rescued-fro.html |
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Coderjoe |
http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2013/12/20/politwoops-2013-the-years-top-politicians-and-their-best-deletions-from-twitter/ |