#archiveteam-bs 2014-01-27,Mon

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00:05 🔗 Coderjoe for the implementation, if it were to be scanned anyway, I would probably use a barcode
00:08 🔗 Baljem mm. what sort of data capacity does yer typical tiny passive RFID tag have these days?
00:09 🔗 Baljem could strap one to each pigeon, program it on the way out of the loft, read it at the other end
00:18 🔗 BiggieJon yes, RFC1149 needs an update
00:18 🔗 BiggieJon in a zombie apocolypse, it might be valueable
00:22 🔗 Baljem it's been updated twice - once to add QoS support (including a nice ASCII art diagram of an avian carrier leaving a log entry when waiting in a queue), and once more in an IPv6 version
00:32 🔗 BiggieJon googd, good, RFC's need to be uopdated regularly
00:36 🔗 Smiley anyone got paid work for me? :/
00:48 🔗 SketchCow I gotta guy
00:48 🔗 SketchCow He's gotta die
00:49 🔗 SketchCow You gotta put a bullet in this fuck's head, see, and you gotta make sure, before he goes, he knows who sent you
00:49 🔗 SketchCow youse got that?
00:57 🔗 Smiley :////
01:05 🔗 Baljem no no no, you're supposed to name your price at that point
01:15 🔗 * BlueMax hides
01:42 🔗 Coderjoe $75? really?
01:44 🔗 Coderjoe that was a bad place to ask...
01:44 🔗 Coderjoe anyway, someone wants $75 as a starting bid (or 110 Buy It Now) for a bunch of DOOM stuff
01:46 🔗 Coderjoe ... wait, is there a copy of doom3 in there?
06:43 🔗 joepie91 whoo, first review on something I uploaded
06:43 🔗 * joepie91 marks milestone
07:27 🔗 joepie91 hm
07:27 🔗 joepie91 I need an easyca
07:27 🔗 joepie91 easycap *
07:27 🔗 joepie91 and a VCR
07:28 🔗 joepie91 anybody have a spare easycap type thing laying around by any chance?
07:29 🔗 joepie91 also, how reasonable is it to 'digitize' cassette tapes by hooking up a tape recorder headphone jack to line in on my PC?
07:56 🔗 SketchCow Why do that?
07:57 🔗 SketchCow Well, what are you digitizing?
08:04 🔗 joepie91 SketchCow: that is uncertain, but I'm planning to go around and try to get my hands on some old Dutch stuff that is only available on VHS (series, movies, etc.) or cassettes (music)
08:04 🔗 joepie91 and I should probably have a 'reasonable' digitization setup handy before attempting that
09:02 🔗 godane so cbsnews.com is giving me 503 errors now for video pages
09:03 🔗 godane i can't even download the videos that just downloaded
09:03 🔗 godane there giving a 404 error
09:27 🔗 ratem hi
09:31 🔗 SketchCow Maybe CBS is scared of you
09:31 🔗 SketchCow So, my manager at the Internet Archive has declared tomorrow "MuuMuu Monday" and we all have to wear muumuus
09:31 🔗 SketchCow I have no idea why
09:35 🔗 godane no i just typed the wrong urls
09:35 🔗 godane its video${id}.mp4 not $[id}.mp4
09:37 🔗 godane the video pages did say 503 error though
09:38 🔗 godane but cbs is on a very iffy server anyways
09:47 🔗 godane so looks like there is warcraft3 maps on one of my lki dvds
09:47 🔗 SketchCow I hope you're sleeping all right, godane
09:48 🔗 godane i went to bed around 6pm
09:48 🔗 godane got up around 2:30am
09:50 🔗 godane so good news
09:50 🔗 godane lki 61 files dvd is not a nrg file
09:50 🔗 godane i was thinking it was cause it only said data when using file command
09:51 🔗 godane everything else say stuff like 'ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data 'LKI_11_2006''
12:31 🔗 dashcloud joepie91: I can't tell you how good this actually is, but someone I know is using this unit: http://www.amazon.com/Jensen-Stereo-Cassette-Encoding-Computer/dp/B006K2U6WE to dump tapes to the computer, and then make CDs from them
12:56 🔗 Coderjoe woah
12:56 🔗 Coderjoe http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2014/01/this-16th-century-book-can-be-read-six-different-ways/
13:06 🔗 SketchCow I use a USB cassette player for audio tapes myself.
13:06 🔗 SketchCow Also, holy crap, that amazon link is one unappetizing photo
13:09 🔗 midas hm joepie91, we should try to archive CD-I
13:15 🔗 joepie91 dashcloud: the review does not inspire much confidence
13:15 🔗 joepie91 dashcloud: also, if I want audio I can just use the line in trick, I'd really only be interested in a USB reader if it offered something beyond that (ie. magnetic signal reading and throughput or whatever)
13:16 🔗 joepie91 not to mention "we don't guarantee this works on MAC"
13:16 🔗 joepie91 which means it almost certainly will not work on Linux
13:31 🔗 Coderjoe I don't think I have ever heard movies on videotape called software before watching this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qqG6OurHaM
13:32 🔗 Coderjoe (it's a tv talking heads show about economics)
13:33 🔗 Coderjoe i have heard it applied to DVD, but not vhs
13:40 🔗 SadDM http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2014/01/this-16th-century-book-can-be-read-six-different-ways/
13:40 🔗 SadDM *sigh* sorry.
13:41 🔗 SadDM Different compter, different terminal emulator, different mouse behaviour.
13:42 🔗 Coderjoe godane: NRG is an image format. ISO9660 is a filesystem format which is also conflated with raw images of that filesystem. NRG files can contain data in an ISO9660 filesystem format.
13:42 🔗 godane ok
13:48 🔗 godane anyways there is going to be 2 isos from issue 60 on with lki set
13:48 🔗 godane one has videos another has files
13:48 🔗 godane there about 8gb each
13:49 🔗 joepie91 midas: is there any CD-I stuff in NL?
14:16 🔗 midas joepie91: massive
14:16 🔗 joepie91 oh?
14:16 🔗 midas it's phillips
14:17 🔗 midas i have massive amounts of VHS btw, might start to backup those
14:17 🔗 midas if i didnt threw away my VHS recorder away a couple of months ago :/
14:17 🔗 joepie91 De afgelopen weken kregen we opvallend veel mails binnen uit Overloon. Mensen met een mobiel telefoonabonnement van KPN (waarbij ook bijvoorbeeld Hi en Telfort horen) hebben sinds 23 december 2013 geen bereik meer.[...] KPN reageerde op sommige mailklachten met de belofte om telefonisch contact op te nemen: maar dat kan dus niet, want de mobiele telefoons doen het niet in Overloon.
14:17 🔗 * joepie91 claps
14:18 🔗 midas lol?
14:18 🔗 joepie91 just KPN being KPN
14:18 🔗 joepie91 lol
14:18 🔗 midas http://www.kpn.com/prive/klantenservice/storingen/storing-overloon.htm
14:18 🔗 joepie91 anyway, midas, I would have no idea where to begin with CD-I
14:18 🔗 joepie91 and a VHS recorder shouldn't be hard to come across
14:18 🔗 joepie91 and yeah, I know
14:18 🔗 joepie91 lol
14:19 🔗 midas lol @ 15:05:10 Skyrider_ | Req on shutting down the archiver on forums.sourceop.com
14:21 🔗 joepie91 huh?
14:21 🔗 midas #archivebot
14:28 🔗 midas well, thats new
14:28 🔗 midas user joining a channel because he thinks #archivebot is killing his site :p
14:29 🔗 joepie91 midas; not an unreasonable thought
14:30 🔗 joepie91 but unlikely to be the case here
14:30 🔗 joepie91 given the request rate
14:30 🔗 joepie91 which goes at approximately the pace of an injured slug
14:30 🔗 midas cant access the dashboard, internetconnection here does not allow any other ports... :<
14:30 🔗 joepie91 midas: basically, one request every 10-20 secs
14:30 🔗 joepie91 or so
14:31 🔗 midas thats pritty sluggish
14:31 🔗 midas website itself (on my browser) works fine
14:32 🔗 joepie91 it's slow though
14:34 🔗 Dud2 Talking about that, I have a script that is pulling information from a website approx how often would be long enough to wait between each request? I was thinking like 20-30 seconds (It would be like 400 requests once a week). It's a college website, so not a small one or a very big one.
14:35 🔗 joepie91 Dud2: 1-2 seconds between requests is usually sufficient
14:35 🔗 joepie91 :P
14:35 🔗 joepie91 but if somebody's hosting it on their toaster, you may want to consider a longer delay
14:35 🔗 midas s/toaster/raspi
14:35 🔗 midas ;-)
14:41 🔗 ersi same thing
14:45 🔗 midas joepie91: for your 404 archive http://www.deruitershop.com/
14:46 🔗 midas is there a 404 archive anyway?
14:53 🔗 joepie91 midas: there is now
14:53 🔗 joepie91 :)
14:57 🔗 midas :P
14:57 🔗 midas add ALL the 404's
14:57 🔗 midas you know what would be awesome
14:57 🔗 midas if archivebot had a feature to tell it add this to a certain archive/group
14:59 🔗 joepie91 midas: add more stuff to yipdw's todo why don't you
14:59 🔗 joepie91 :P
15:03 🔗 midas hahaha :p
15:03 🔗 midas sorry yipdw !
15:12 🔗 yipdw nah it's finet
15:12 🔗 yipdw midas: the todo list is so long anyway and I actually spend a lot more time these days working on a game
15:13 🔗 yipdw midas: if you really think it'd be a useful feature, feel free to file an issue at archivebot's github issue tracker
15:15 🔗 joepie91 yipdw: a game? :o
15:15 🔗 yipdw platformer
15:16 🔗 joepie91 yipdw: link :D?
15:16 🔗 joepie91 also, http://i.imgur.com/T7oBH8w.gif
15:16 🔗 yipdw http://piniongame.tumblr.com/ hasn't been publicly updated in a long time, but it shows visual styles at least
15:16 🔗 yipdw there isn't much in the way of public details beyond that -- the person I'm working with doesn't want to release anything more yet
15:16 🔗 joepie91 that's quite nice
15:16 🔗 yipdw yeah, it's fun
15:17 🔗 yipdw for some reason I convinced myself that doing this by gluing together middleware would be useful
15:17 🔗 joepie91 ?
15:17 🔗 yipdw SFML, Box2D, etc
15:17 🔗 joepie91 no bells ring
15:17 🔗 yipdw I mean, it is, because (A) I control all the source code and (B) I can teach myself what's going on
15:17 🔗 yipdw but it has been a bit frustrating to run up against limitations he
15:17 🔗 yipdw h
15:18 🔗 yipdw SFML's like SDL, except I like its interface more
15:18 🔗 joepie91 ah
15:18 🔗 yipdw Box2D is a 2D physics engine
15:20 🔗 yipdw the main issue that I've had has been dealing with some SFML decisions to simplify certain tasks: for example, SFML's world coordinate system mirrors many UI toolkits in that the Y-axis increases doing down the screen and the origin is upper left
15:21 🔗 yipdw but all of my vertex setup assumes (0, 0) at world center, so I've had to add some hacks to get it to play nice with SFML's built-in views
15:22 🔗 yipdw but THAT hackery hit a wall when I realized that flipping the Y-axis does not also flip texture coordinates, so I'm going through the codebase to just write my own model-view-projection matrices etc
15:22 🔗 yipdw shit like that :P
15:23 🔗 yipdw it has however been a fun learning process and luckily neither of us are under time or financial constraints to get this done, so so long as stuff keeps moving we're in good shape
15:25 🔗 joepie91 :)
15:26 🔗 * joepie91 still celebrating first review on an item he uploaded
15:27 🔗 yipdw ah yeah, I got one of those once
15:27 🔗 yipdw it was less a review and more a "why the fuck haven't you added a description" though
15:27 🔗 yipdw :P
15:28 🔗 joepie91 haha
15:28 🔗 joepie91 nah, this was an actual review
15:28 🔗 joepie91 yipdw: https://archive.org/details/BBCStoryville-2013-GoogleAndTheWorldBrain-720pHD
15:30 🔗 yipdw "cataloging "Leaves of Grass" under a topic like Agriculture"
15:30 🔗 yipdw hahahaha
15:31 🔗 yipdw assuming that reviewer meant Whitman's poetry
15:32 🔗 joepie91 yeah, it's mentioned in the docu :P
15:32 🔗 joepie91 as an example of a metadata fuckup
15:32 🔗 joepie91 heh
15:34 🔗 joepie91 let's see if my USB hub handles two scanners
15:34 🔗 joepie91 without additional PSU
15:34 🔗 joepie91 loojs like it
15:35 🔗 joepie91 looks *
15:35 🔗 joepie91 awesome :)
15:36 🔗 joepie91 Bus 001 Device 009: ID 03f0:0105 Hewlett-Packard ScanJet 4200c
15:36 🔗 joepie91 Bus 001 Device 010: ID 04a9:220e Canon, Inc. CanoScan N1240U/LiDE 30
15:37 🔗 joepie91 "no devices available"
15:37 🔗 joepie91 that's a lie, xsane, and you know it
15:39 🔗 * joepie91 stares
15:39 🔗 joepie91 why are my scanners not working
15:39 🔗 joepie91 :|
15:39 🔗 joepie91 I got a brand new printer cable too
15:40 🔗 Smiley HP....
15:41 🔗 joepie91 are scannners now going to act like printers or what
15:41 🔗 Smiley did either work previously?
15:41 🔗 joepie91 refusing to work when you need them
15:41 🔗 joepie91 both did
15:41 🔗 Smiley k
15:41 🔗 Smiley hmmm
15:41 🔗 joepie91 and yes, it's an old ass HP
15:41 🔗 Smiley meh
15:41 🔗 joepie91 old as in "takes 2 minutes to scan an A4 at 300dpi" old
15:41 🔗 Smiley makes support easier normally :D
15:41 🔗 joepie91 :P
15:41 🔗 joepie91 lol
15:41 🔗 joepie91 this is Linux
15:41 🔗 joepie91 :D
15:41 🔗 joepie91 what are you talking about
15:41 🔗 Smiley however i'm not experienced with scanners in linux tbh
15:41 🔗 joepie91 HP is generally hell under Linux
15:42 🔗 Smiley other than knowing they use sane
15:42 🔗 Smiley [15:40:50] <@Smiley> HP....
15:42 🔗 Smiley see my first comment ;)
15:42 🔗 joepie91 they're the only manufacturer that actually requires bloatware on Linux
15:42 🔗 joepie91 for many models
15:42 🔗 joepie91 Bus 006 Device 002: ID 03f0:0105 Hewlett-Packard ScanJet 4200c
15:42 🔗 joepie91 Bus 006 Device 003: ID 04a9:220e Canon, Inc. CanoScan N1240U/LiDE 30
15:42 🔗 joepie91 let's see if it works now
15:42 🔗 joepie91 perhaps my hub was overloaded after all
15:42 🔗 joepie91 oh, it does!
15:42 🔗 joepie91 or well
15:42 🔗 joepie91 xsane booted
15:44 🔗 joepie91 http://owely.com/8WKXej
15:44 🔗 joepie91 I suspect that my canoscan may have died
15:44 🔗 joepie91 :/
15:45 🔗 joepie91 yup, I think it's dead
15:45 🔗 joepie91 oh great, my HP isn't recognized again
15:45 🔗 * joepie91 sighs
15:46 🔗 joepie91 did I mention that I hate scanners
15:46 🔗 Smiley :D
15:47 🔗 * joepie91 wonders if tigerdirect or overstock ship to NL
15:49 🔗 midas network scanner for the win
15:50 🔗 midas dump all the paper in it, set it up to scan to ftp/smb/email/cifs/nfs or whatever you like and _never_ look back
15:50 🔗 joepie91 midas: A3 formfeed scanner pls
15:50 🔗 joepie91 lol
15:50 🔗 midas i have
15:51 🔗 joepie91 D:
15:51 🔗 joepie91 gief
15:51 🔗 midas no.
15:51 🔗 * joepie91 is still saving up for one
15:51 🔗 midas because then i will not have one! :p
15:51 🔗 joepie91 lol
15:51 🔗 * midas has http://www.sharp.nl/cps/rde/xchg/nl/hs.xsl/-/html/productdetails.htm?product=ARM165
15:51 🔗 joepie91 midas: do you know if tigerdirect ship to NL
15:51 🔗 midas err, i think they do
15:52 🔗 joepie91 http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6728284&CatId=294
15:52 🔗 joepie91 this might be an okay temporary replacement
15:52 🔗 joepie91 until I have monies for an A3 scanner
15:52 🔗 joepie91 need to check linux compat though
15:52 🔗 midas or ship to myus and reship from there :p
15:52 🔗 joepie91 this seems to be the cheapest lide model that tigerdirect sells
15:53 🔗 joepie91 I'm sure that'll cost monies
15:53 🔗 midas ship it to someone here in the US
15:53 🔗 midas im guessing SketchCow can reship it or something
15:53 🔗 Smiley urgh that's gonna cost $$$$$
15:53 🔗 joepie91 the problem would be import
15:53 🔗 Smiley weigh's a lot i guess
15:54 🔗 midas dollah!
15:54 🔗 midas joepie91: <GIFT>
15:54 🔗 joepie91 doesn't matter
15:55 🔗 midas 1.5kg btw
15:55 🔗 Smiley aa
15:55 🔗 midas we need a traderoute for american stuff to the US
15:55 🔗 midas 3.4lbs Smiley
15:55 🔗 Smiley hahaha
15:55 🔗 Smiley i do Kg.
15:55 🔗 Smiley not so bad, but still expensive to ship.
15:56 🔗 midas USA, y u no metric?
15:56 🔗 joepie91 bah, I need to sign up before they gief shipping costs
15:56 🔗 joepie91 fuck it
15:56 🔗 joepie91 pricewatch
15:56 🔗 joepie91 I'll throw my BTC through Bitonic
15:56 🔗 midas padummm
15:56 🔗 joepie91 56 euro :/
15:57 🔗 midas joepie91: https://www.bva-auctions.com/auction/lot/9589/3745187
15:57 🔗 joepie91 lol
15:57 🔗 midas scanner? :p
15:57 🔗 joepie91 I don't have 200 euro
15:57 🔗 joepie91 I don't have 200 euro plus extra fees *
15:57 🔗 joepie91 plus no space for something like that
15:58 🔗 joepie91 I'm saving up for a Brother all-in-one
15:58 🔗 joepie91 with A3 formfeed scanner
15:58 🔗 joepie91 that's the cheapest compact A3 formfeed option
15:58 🔗 joepie91 midas: you don't happen to have some random flatbed handy, do you
15:58 🔗 midas this thing will scan the A2 road im guessing
15:58 🔗 joepie91 lol
15:59 🔗 midas err, ill check when i get back home
15:59 🔗 joepie91 midas: let me amend that request
15:59 🔗 joepie91 you don't happen to have some random flatbed with a reasonable speed handy *
15:59 🔗 joepie91 2 minutes a page is ridiculously slow and not sufficient :P
15:59 🔗 joepie91 (which is why I like the LiDEs
15:59 🔗 midas get this thing https://www.bva-auctions.com/auction/lot/9435/3767498
15:59 🔗 joepie91 as they do 15 sec scans)
15:59 🔗 joepie91 (less even)
16:00 🔗 joepie91 200 euro again
16:01 🔗 joepie91 anyway. midas, if you don't have a flatbed handy... it'll be https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/267448/canon-canoscan-lide-110.html
16:06 🔗 joepie91 midas: but yeah, let me know if you find anything :)
16:12 🔗 midas sure
16:16 🔗 midas will check joepie91
16:17 🔗 Schbirid heyyyyyy
16:25 🔗 joepie91 okay so
16:25 🔗 joepie91 theoretically
16:26 🔗 joepie91 this 4200c should be supported
16:26 🔗 joepie91 I know it worked before
16:26 🔗 joepie91 but it seems the driver isn't being loaded
16:26 🔗 joepie91 for whatever reason
16:38 🔗 joepie91 YES
16:38 🔗 joepie91 IT'S RECOGNIZED BY YASTY
16:38 🔗 joepie91 YAST *
16:38 🔗 joepie91 WHOO IT WORKS
16:38 🔗 joepie91 aw yeah
16:39 🔗 joepie91 for certain values of "works"
16:42 🔗 Smiley D:
16:42 🔗 joepie91 meaning it is still slow as balls
16:49 🔗 joepie91 http://sprunge.us/YgFe
16:49 🔗 joepie91 whoo
17:08 🔗 * joepie91 is still not awfully impressed by the quality of this scanner
17:08 🔗 joepie91 http://cryto.net/~joepie91/0013.png
17:19 🔗 mistym joepie91: What scanner, out of curiosity?
17:22 🔗 joepie91 mistym: HP ScanJet 4200C
17:22 🔗 joepie91 so, older than the earth itself
17:23 🔗 joepie91 that weird scanner that had a parallel chipset with some weird USB bridge to make it work over USB
17:46 🔗 joepie91 anybody bored and interested in running a pile of scans through Scan Tailor?
17:46 🔗 joepie91 probably requiring a good amount of manual adjustments
17:46 🔗 joepie91 because comic
20:48 🔗 Coderjoe damn you SketchCow. Though I can't remember the words, I now have Being Alive stuck in my head. (the melody, anyway)
20:49 🔗 Coderjoe (and I haven't listened to it since I saw your post yesterday)
20:54 🔗 DFJustin if you think archiving cassettes is a pain, try software on 8-track tape http://www.mameworld.info/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=320908
20:54 🔗 Coderjoe O_o software on 8 track?
20:55 🔗 Coderjoe wow
20:55 🔗 Coderjoe how about software on vinyl?
20:56 🔗 DFJustin exists iirc, I remember hearing of some old magazines with small vinyl coverdiscs to be played into the cassete port of a home computer
20:56 🔗 BlueMax eventually we'll be preserving punch cards that aren't in the right order
20:57 🔗 Baljem 'floppy ROM' is a term to Google for, I believe
20:57 🔗 Coderjoe i wonder if i still have that bit of mylar tape I had years ago
20:58 🔗 RedType_ you're forgetting: software on playing cards (nintendo e-reader)
20:59 🔗 Coderjoe i find the 8 track one a bit weird, though, since there is no start
20:59 🔗 DFJustin sure enough https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_City_standard#Floppy_ROM
21:00 🔗 DFJustin for the 8-track thing the actual program is on rom chips and the tape stores ascii data for quiz questions and answers
21:09 🔗 yipdw software on vinyl has a warmth that digital downloads can't match
21:10 🔗 xmc haha
21:28 🔗 midas Fuck me, led lights are BRIGHT
21:28 🔗 midas ill be blind for months
21:33 🔗 Coderjoe yipdw: bahaha
22:01 🔗 godane very soon you can 3d print vinyl records using mp3
22:01 🔗 godane the vinyl record will mostly be some sort of plastic but works in a vinyl record player
22:13 🔗 SketchCow Dark Crystal Director's Cut taken down.
22:13 🔗 SketchCow Youtube and Internet Archive.
22:13 🔗 SketchCow A glorious month!
22:20 🔗 godane so i found some missing episodes of CBS Evening News
22:23 🔗 godane missing cause there not in the sitemap xml anymore
22:52 🔗 DFJustin https://i.imgur.com/Fzb2lEX.png
22:54 🔗 Dud2 Seems legit
22:54 🔗 yipdw for you, gigaclicks give software special price
22:57 🔗 mistym DFJustin: Not at all skeevy
22:57 🔗 mistym DFJustin: Was it actually bundled with something semi-legit?
22:58 🔗 DFJustin just reposting

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