[00:03] o_O [00:44] ha ha [01:01] not that it sucks any less, but they'll be taking the place of the blank spots on your new tab page (if you're showing your tab history there) [02:47] woo-hoo! my www.dreamlandbbs.com job finally finished (4 days and 21 hours later) [02:51] does anyone have a command line tool to download google books [03:53] er. why does mozilla have to annihilate what little dignity they had left [03:56] are they? [03:56] [15:40:18] joepie91: Mozilla to deliver ads in its Firefox browser | ZDNet [03:56] yeah, from earlier: [15:40:16] .title http://www.zdnet.com/mozilla-to-deliver-ads-in-its-firefox-browser-7000026216/ [03:57] all of their employees are paid via money from Google on a contract that might not be renewed [03:57] yep [03:57] 300m/yr it says [03:58] or 300m over some years [03:58] * Aranje didn't read carefully [03:58] I don't think they could crowdfund $300m ;) [03:58] I don't think they could crowdfund 1/10th of that [03:58] they need a better corporate sponsor [03:59] one who won't stop them from implementing those epic cookie blocking rules they were going to roll out [04:05] so i got most of 1981 issues of infoworld [04:55] so Directory Tiles is implemented as a XUL app [04:55] I wonder if AdBlock* will block those [04:55] the browser has always been at war with itself [05:57] yipdw: where was that graph page with the items/second stats again? [05:57] http://zeppelin.xrtc.net/corp.xrtc.net/shilling.corp.xrtc.net/project_items.html [05:57] thanks [06:31] We spent an hour on missing images on archive.org. [06:31] Turned out? Adblock. [06:31] Adblock blocks ANY IMAGE WITH THE FILENAME *_advertisement.* [06:31] ANY [07:22] haha downside to new pc, just now noticed pidgin using 1.7gb of ram once it actually stopped functioning [10:22] yipdw: that is a neat sentiment. imma quote you on that :) [10:45] I am worried we're letting some things slip between the cracks. [10:45] I'll update the front page of the wiki. [11:22] https://blog.mozilla.org/advancingcontent/2014/02/11/publisher-transformation-with-users-at-the-center/ is imo a better resource than the zdnet article [11:28] Why, because you like the slurping sound of someone blowing business with a handwave of implied value to end-users? [11:28] How about if those terrible, soul-aching tiles were instead used for really positive causes pushing open source or free speech? [11:29] What if we stood back for a moment, reconsidered the horror of blank squares as a way to make Firefox lead us to one of their endless internal programs people are slaving over to make the web easier to use and standards complient? [11:40] https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/433566184949039104 [12:38] "The new tab page isn’t delivering any value for them." [12:38] "delivering value to" is pretty much the red flag of marketing [12:39] I don't think I've ever seen it used for anything that wasn't an attempt at trying to convince people that they're "helping" them when they're actually profiting off them [12:40] perhaps someone should do it the opposite way [12:41] WE TAKE FROM THE RICH [12:41] AND GIVE TO THE POOR [12:41] ! [12:48] Leo_TCK: that seems to get you arrested in most cases [12:48] somehow, taking from the poor and giving to the rich is morally okay though, or something [12:50] [07:57:29] all of their employees are paid via money from Google on a contract that might not be renewed [12:50] which people have been pointing out as a really bad idea for quite some time now [12:50] and this would be why [12:50] single points of failure are bad mmk [13:12] because this is -bs, i'd like to state on the record that i hate exim. [13:12] s/on/for [14:12] postfix master race [14:32] If anything is master race, it's qmail [14:36] qmail has one downside [14:36] it's a small one, but still [14:37] morons who configure it. [14:37] not really a fault of qmail, but still [14:38] openrelay as default relay, not really a fancy feature :p [15:46] oh shit, my new internet is 16mbit/s, i was used to 6 before. my poor harddisks :( [15:48] download ALL the nets [15:50] since www.wieistmeineip.de has turned into shit, what is a good flash-less speedtest? [15:51] nvm [16:00] http://testdebit.info/ [16:00] there some files there [16:00] wget + those [16:01] wget + google for "index.htm" + 1000Mb [16:01] wanted to test upstream too, found a german one [17:44] in other news: http://www7.pic-upload.de/12.02.14/7fqav2wzpwn.gif [17:44] awesome gif [19:27] http://www.wikitree.us/story/2139 gotta love people who make videos like this [20:45] i'm uploading a ton of world news tonight videos: https://archive.org/search.php?query=collection%3Agodaneinbox%20AND%20subject%3A%22World%20News%20Tonight%22&sort=-publicdate [20:46] 763 videos already [20:46] anyways this json bothers me: http://content-us-east-1.uplynk.com/player/assetinfo/514b0d7cfa76487daf3cca0d85437678.json [20:47] only cause it using filename as a description of something [20:47] my problem is that gma has all most nothing there anymore [21:02] ok here then [21:02] hi [21:03] but wtf, rfid trashcans? [21:03] yes [21:03] xmc; yes [21:03] they do not YET charge us per bagg [21:03] bag * [21:03] that's ludicrous [21:03] but they've been replacing all mechanical open collection bins with bins that require cards [21:03] it's big brother is watching you stuff anyway [21:03] and I know for a fact that these new bins have a weighing mechanism [21:03] xmc: it is [21:03] welcome to the Netherlands lol [21:04] I'll actually predict it here: within the next 3-4 years, HVC (trash collection company here) will start charging by the kilogram [21:04] I don't see why they shouldn't [21:04] xmc: these are (formerly) municipal trash collection services, not business [21:04] it has all been privatized [21:04] note that we ALSO pay waste tax [21:05] which is SUPPOSED to cover the costs for this stuff [21:05] hmmmm. [21:05] xmc: the netherlands is currently in a very fucked state [21:05] basically, imagine a socialist country that is in the process of privatizing [21:05] all the socialist constructs (in terms of paying taxes, etc.) are still there [21:05] but the benefits are slowly being broken down [21:05] here in seattle we have socialized water, sewer, electricity, trash (not natgas though) [21:06] all is privatized to some degree here afaik [21:06] seattle water is great, we bought a whole mountain/river/valley watershed long ago [21:06] yeeee [21:06] so we drink unfiltered snow water [21:06] Evides for water and waste water here, a bunch of providers for electricity but Stedin is the one managing the network [21:06] trash done by HVC [21:07] yes there are no post ofices either, you do it in what in czech we call "traffic stores" and stores with general stuff or small book stores [21:07] none of those are government entities [21:07] Leo_TCK: that's also a recent development [21:07] like, last 6-8 years [21:07] i am aware of that [21:07] ... after the privatization of the postal services, of course [21:07] yea [21:07] * joepie91 sighs [21:07] wow, sounds like a fucked place [21:07] xmc: it absolutely is [21:07] and before that privatization of health insurance stuff [21:07] bahaha [21:07] nah, we have hoe's and weed xmc [21:07] if only [21:08] midas: we have weed too [21:08] Leo_TCK: the problem is that health insurance ISN'T fully privatized [21:08] see, we are like seattle [21:08] in some parts of this region the electricity is private, and those places it costs 2.5x as much [21:08] Leo_TCK: health insurance in NL is government-mandated, but privately provided [21:08] similar to usa, joepie91 [21:08] xmc: I mean the insurance [21:08] not the actual healthcare [21:09] what do you mean? [21:09] you HAVE to take services with a commercial health insurance provider [21:09] same here [21:09] if you don't, the government fines you for that [21:09] yup [21:09] xmc: afaik the insurance itself was through government entity in US? [21:09] joepie91: healthcare in the us is the same as in .nl [21:09] only for old people and the poor [21:09] and disabled people and veterans [21:09] since healthcare.org [21:09] xmc: the poor are basically just screwed here [21:09] pay up or else [21:09] huh [21:09] so you have a fixed expense of around 100 euro a month min [21:09] joepie91: not true [21:09] yeah if you don't make enough you get subsidized healthcare [21:10] if you can navigate the forms and paperwork [21:10] xmc: it is only partly subsidized here [21:10] which I've heard varying opinions of [21:10] which means that if you don't HAVE an income to cover anything besides a roof above your head, you're still screwed [21:10] the poor get subsidized healthcare if needed or from private organisations [21:10] midas: the poor get partial subsidy [21:11] what was it... 65 euro for a 110 euro a month health insurance policy? [21:11] depending on your contract, yeah [21:11] something along those lines [21:11] midas: the problem is that partial subsidy isn't enough for many people [21:12] but also hospitals have to help you here, even without any insurence [21:12] ... and you are then hounded over the bills [21:12] holy crap, my typeskills are dropping like stones [21:12] midas: knowing several people who don't have the income to pay for insurance, this is a real problem [21:13] and it's an absolutely ludicrous model [21:13] much of the world is fucked [21:13] maybe someday I'll move to finland [21:13] either privatize it all the way, or socialize it all the way [21:13] not some fucky inbetween version where the government is effectively subsidizing private corporations [21:13] usa seems to be re-socializing [21:13] t the cost of peoples health and ability to cover life expenses [21:13] at * [21:13] both are not a option [21:13] well, not in the short time [21:14] midas; NL has had fully socialized healthcare for a long time [21:14] short run* [21:14] literally EVERYBODY I have spoken to who had practical experience on any end of the scale, has confirmed that the current model is worse than the previous model [21:14] patients [21:14] doctors [21:14] lawyers [21:14] yeah, but we also had the gulden back then, wim kok, and alot of other stuff we dont have anymore nowadays [21:15] midas: that isn't relevant to the point [21:15] the new system is more fucked up than the previous system, that is what the point is [21:15] and I don't say that from an "omg derp lets do politics" point of view [21:15] I say that from a point of view that I find it disgusting that real people have real trouble covering even basic life expenses [21:15] because the biggest issue is our current leadership, who cant see they are steering a shipwreck into another accident [21:15] because of somebody with a political / corporate agenda [21:15] no [21:16] the biggest issue is the system that lets that "current leadership" exist [21:16] goddamnit, distractions [21:18] yeah, but for a social state we first need money, and to get money we need to spend money on local businesses, not outsource everything to the rest of europe, we should tax companies like google, dell, starbucks and all other companies who use a double dutch sandwich tax evationscheme. if that happens we actually have a steady income to help people. [21:18] * joepie91 sighs [21:18] companies need to learn that to do business with countries they are part of the solution in the future [21:18] midas: do you realize that you're trying to compress a "solution" for just about every single problem that exists in the Netherlands into a single sentence [21:18] that should set the alarm bells ringing [21:18] yeah [21:18] the world isn't that simple [21:19] i know. [21:20] it's even worse, I am part of the issue. [21:21] what is normal income in the netherlands? 2500 euro's a month? [21:21] also, midas, as to what you are suggesting [21:21] do I need to point out that in recent history there hasn't been a year where the NL govt hasn't increased its debt [21:21] so the entire "we need money by X" doesn't really hold water, as that didn't work before either [21:21] do you know what a double dutch sandwich is? [21:21] yes... [21:21] tax it. [21:22] not a 0.1 % like we do now, but proper tax it like normal local companies are taxed [21:22] it would solve the issue, because we are the ONLY country that has such a solution. [21:23] ... [21:23] midas... [21:23] please tell me that you're not being serious [21:23] * Smiley watches no understanding [21:23] Smiley: it's a tax construct [21:23] to minimize corporate tax by jumping through a bunch of countries [21:23] yey ireland! [21:23] just 2. [21:23] and NL plays a central role in many of these [21:23] ireland and .nl [21:24] oh wow i'm right :D [21:24] midas: I am not just refering to this particular construct [21:24] cayman! [21:24] [2014-02-12 21:23:22] accepted: 25/25 (100.00%), 33.50 khash/s (yay!!!) [21:24] yey [21:24] midas: has it occurred to you that these companies WOULDN'T BE HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE if you raised the taxes, because their entire reason for being here is the low taxes? [21:24] thus not giving you any net profit by increasing taxes? [21:24] I mean, I don't get how this isn't an obvious problem with your suggestion [21:24] and where would they jump to? [21:25] midas: they'd switch to any of the other 346890934 tax constructs? [21:25] or do you think this is the only one? :| [21:25] caymans? nope not happening. swiss? sorry we sold your tax history to france and germany a looong time ago, Lichtenstein? sure, we are a tax haven, but not really. [21:26] midas: have you watched the tax free tour? [21:26] nope. [21:26] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4o13isDdfY [21:26] now would be a good time to do so [21:26] it's an entire documentary about this topic [21:27] and I should get back to work in the meantime [21:27] back, hold on lemme read [21:27] i had to go afk in emergency [21:27] "this video is currently unavailable" [21:28] wat [21:28] go yootoob [21:28] shitty service [21:28] nonsense, works fine here [21:28] you need a screenshot to believe me? [21:28] works here [21:28] maybe you hit a bad Google node [21:28] midas: just fix it ;) [21:29] and after 150.000 f5's yootoob starts working again. [21:33] ok read it [21:33] Leo_TCK: fast reader [21:33] well at least joepie isnt one of those zombies i see everyday that are entirely happy with the system and think its such a great free country [21:33] :D [21:33] lol [21:33] * joepie91 mutters something about Dutch people being especially bad with that [21:34] and 2500 euro a month a normal income? i could dream of that muc money a month [21:34] i mean it [21:34] were way below the minimum [21:35] 2500 would be quite a lot for me :P [21:35] Leo_TCK: more than i earn each month [21:35] my normal income is more like 700 or so [21:35] ~ 1800€ [21:35] here [21:36] 600 euro from my partner plus my 160 euro after conversion fees (curently after the money has been lowered in favor of euro) from czech as a "disability pension" [21:36] now with that its real trouble to get by [21:37] if i knew something like that would happen i would never move here [21:38] but no the people around think i choose it that way or choose to look crap or [21:39] even though i was originally fed a bunch of lies and propaganda which lured me [21:39] lies seem to be common :) [21:39] everywhere [21:40] yea [21:41] and as for the health insurance yeah [21:41] an guess what happens if you are still citizen of other country [21:41] they require you to get dutch insurance too [21:41] lol [21:42] but its not as simple as it sounds still [21:42] thats where it fails horribly, it worked with the old system apparently [21:42] but [21:42] it means now in practice that only few insurance companies can do it [21:42] and i got it done by a company which wasnt allowed to do so actually [21:43] but they told me they can [21:43] and then when it turned out they made mistake [21:43] guess what happened [21:43] they wanted all the money back [21:43] from me [21:43] and sent dept collectors [21:43] lol [21:43] that sounds very Dutch [21:44] it took long time to fight it back/win it but in the end they had to give up and even returned few "bucks" to me in the end, had to [21:44] lol [21:44] NL is starting to be a bit of a mini-US [21:44] yea [21:46] my insurance is basically paid from czech, the basic health insurance is covered but the company that gave me the ealth insurnace in nl wsnt allowed to do it on that basis and isntead of dealing wth the czech side [21:46] they threatened me personally even though i sent forms and evidence and the czech side they tried to ignore [21:46] and still insisted on having be paid [21:47] and then suddenly letter from dept collector agency and shit going down and having to contact embassy etc [21:48] really great [21:50] oh well, at least you still seem to have largely your own agriculture [21:50] which is not bad [21:50] lol [21:50] Leo_TCK : not quite [21:51] we theoretically still have agriculture, ye [21:51] yes * [21:51] but what you buy in stores is typically not from NL [21:51] aside from dairy [21:51] for whatever backwards reason, Dutch agriculture products are usually exported, and foreign ones are imported [21:52] it is, well depends on some, i saw that in albert heijn they have now many vegetables and stuff from as far as maracco etc but i hope thats mostly because of the winter now, but there are places elsewhere [21:52] where you can get dutch stuff still [21:53] but even then its mch better situation than what they did with czech after joining to EU [21:54] agricuutre almost entirely screwed up aside some little stuff, not even dairy these days, like theres butter apparently these days imported from elsewhere [21:54] only organic stuff etc. is usually local [21:54] lol [21:54] I think it might be time for me to sleep [21:54] it seems the other way to me, i saw many organic products being imported, but hmm, well aside specialized stores but i cant afford that now [21:55] ok, 'night [21:55] Leo_TCK: I mean organic stores [21:55] not 'organic' stuff in supermarkets [21:55] :P [21:55] but, goodnight :) [21:55] yea the eko stores, yes, i used to go to one [21:55] but stopped later [21:55] ok night [21:56] but yeah i meant now organic in supermarkets [21:56] because thats where im only going these days usually