#archiveteam-bs 2014-06-19,Thu

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01:52 🔗 joepie91_ yipdw: Microsoft; delivering questionable naive implementations since somewhere in the 80s or something!
01:52 🔗 joepie91_ questionably *
01:53 🔗 yipdw joepie91_: yeah, Exchange is very much set up to push IMAP to the back of the bus
01:54 🔗 yipdw I suspect my old workplace doesn't even have the IMAP connector on anymore due to "support issues"
02:10 🔗 dashcloud even if you do have Exchange+Outlook, a recall is not guaranteed to succeed, and these days, is much more likely to fail totally, or deliver a replacement in addition to the original email
02:45 🔗 Ravenloft http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/06/saving-old-software-from-extinction-in-the-age-of-cloud-computing/
02:50 🔗 Ravenloft SN4T14 Arch is for hipsters
02:51 🔗 Ravenloft Slackware is all you need
02:51 🔗 garyrh Ravenloft, +1
02:52 🔗 SN4T14 I'm not going to start the 2nd distro war. :p
02:52 🔗 garyrh :D
02:55 🔗 yipdw heh, 11 comments on that Ars Technica article before someone says "we don't need to care about preservation"
02:55 🔗 yipdw IT'S A NEW RECORD
02:55 🔗 yipdw HIGH SCORE
03:08 🔗 Ravenloft joepie91 the pride thing is as in oppose to be ashamed
03:08 🔗 Ravenloft relevant http://www.dailydot.com/opinion/undercover-gay-conversion-camp/
03:08 🔗 SN4T14 Ravenloft, it's weird to say "I'm PROUD of being autistic!" though
03:09 🔗 SN4T14 No one is proud about their mental issues
03:14 🔗 Ravenloft [00:08] <Ravenloft> joepie91 the pride thing is as in oppose to be ashamed
03:14 🔗 Ravenloft replace joepie91 with SN4T14
03:15 🔗 SN4T14 They're not black and white, though
03:15 🔗 SN4T14 Like I said, no one is proud of their mental issues
03:15 🔗 SN4T14 You can accept them
03:15 🔗 SN4T14 But pride is the wrong word
03:16 🔗 exmic this sounds like a fun discussion
03:16 🔗 * exmic popcorn.gif
03:16 🔗 Ravenloft proud = not ashamed
03:17 🔗 SN4T14 Ravenloft, you literally just said that, and I just said why that isn't the case
03:18 🔗 Ravenloft its not rare to word to have more than one meaning, you know
03:18 🔗 Ravenloft and their meaning even change with time
03:18 🔗 Ravenloft *words
03:18 🔗 SN4T14 So now proud = accept?
03:18 🔗 Ravenloft no, proud = not ashamed
03:19 🔗 SN4T14 But you just claimed that it's meaning can change
03:19 🔗 Ravenloft yeah, so?
03:19 🔗 SN4T14 Does that mean "your" and "you're" are interchangeable, because people do that? No.
03:19 🔗 Ravenloft thats a different thing
03:20 🔗 Ravenloft gay is one of the greatest examples
03:20 🔗 SN4T14 Oh, how so? Like you said, the meaning of words changes
03:22 🔗 Ravenloft meaning of the words != grammar
03:23 🔗 SN4T14 So "your" can't start to mean "you are", although people use it like that, but "pride" can start meaning "acceptance of" because people use it like that?
03:23 🔗 Ravenloft what the word gay means to you?
03:26 🔗 SN4T14 Homosexual, but like you said "that's different" because it's definition slowly shifted, and a widely accepted, short word for homosexuality did not exist at the time
03:27 🔗 SN4T14 But with "pride" and "acceptance", you only have to deal with a WHOLE two syllables, so no shortand is needed
03:28 🔗 SN4T14 Just because a word is abused doesn't mean everyone should accept the abuse
03:32 🔗 Ravenloft this sense of the word pride is now anything new
03:32 🔗 Ravenloft well, its new to you
03:33 🔗 Ravenloft *this sense of the word pride is not anything new
03:34 🔗 Ravenloft its not an abuse of the word, its one of meanings of it
03:36 🔗 SN4T14 https://www.google.com/search?q=pride+definition
03:36 🔗 SN4T14 It's *not* one of the meanings of it
03:36 🔗 SN4T14 It's an abuse of it
03:37 🔗 Ravenloft "he swallowed his pride and asked for help"
03:37 🔗 Ravenloft "their triumphs were a source of pride"
03:37 🔗 Ravenloft antonyms: shame
03:37 🔗 Ravenloft synonyms: self-esteem, dignity, honor, self-respect, self-worth, self-regard, pride in oneself More
03:37 🔗 Ravenloft the consciousness of one's own dignity.
03:37 🔗 Ravenloft so, what are you saying?
03:37 🔗 Ravenloft *were
03:38 🔗 SN4T14 You just copied 4, unrelated lines straight from that, are you trying to win the argument purely by confusing me?
03:38 🔗 Ravenloft ah, I guess you didnt click the arrow thing that expand it
03:38 🔗 SN4T14 Haha, passive-agressiveness, lovely
03:39 🔗 Ravenloft confusing? its the link that _you_ cited
03:39 🔗 SN4T14 And *word twisting* as well, you sure are good at arguing
03:40 🔗 SN4T14 Well, that's less word twisting and more ignoring what I said
03:40 🔗 Ravenloft no, its not me, in this particular discussion, the arguments are good
03:40 🔗 SN4T14 Are you a kid, or do you just not understand how arguments work?
03:41 🔗 Ravenloft explain to me
03:41 🔗 Ravenloft as if I was a kid
03:42 🔗 SN4T14 ...Is that the end of your sentence, or are you just a slow typer?
03:43 🔗 Ravenloft I am waiting your explanation of how arguments work
03:44 🔗 SN4T14 You're usually supposed to finish your sentences and answer questions before waiting.
03:44 🔗 Ravenloft what sentence I didnt finished?
03:44 🔗 SN4T14 "<Ravenloft> explain to me <Ravenloft> as if I was a kid"
03:44 🔗 Ravenloft explain to me
03:44 🔗 Ravenloft its a full sentence
03:44 🔗 Ravenloft imperative
03:45 🔗 Ravenloft as if I was a kid, another full sentece, related to the one before
03:45 🔗 Ravenloft Explain to me. As if I was a kid.
03:45 🔗 Ravenloft better now?
03:46 🔗 SN4T14 "explain to me" does not specify what you want to explain, and since you never use dots or commas at the end of your sentences, that could've been "explain to me, as if I was a kid, [more stuff to follow]"
03:46 🔗 Ravenloft [00:40] <SN4T14> Are you a kid, or do you just not understand how arguments work?
03:46 🔗 Ravenloft [00:41] <Ravenloft> explain to me
03:47 🔗 Ravenloft you asked me if I dont understand how arguments work, what on the world I could be asking you to explain?
03:47 🔗 SN4T14 Is English not your first language?
03:47 🔗 SN4T14 And, like I said, and asked (which you totally ignored), I wasn't sure if your sentence was finished
03:48 🔗 Ravenloft ok, lets go back to the start
03:49 🔗 SN4T14 ...Is that the end of your sentence, or are you just a slow typer?
03:55 🔗 * closure requests either a vi vs emacs debate, or a "it[']s" debate for tomorrow night.
03:56 🔗 SN4T14 closure, silly you, emacs is just a running joke, no one *actually* uses it. :p
03:57 🔗 Ravenloft pride, as used in "gay pride" or "autistic pride day", is a perfectly correct use of the word, not as a synonyms of pleasure, joy, delight, or a sense of achievement, but as the consciousness of one's own dignity, a synonym of self-esteem, dignity, honor, self-respect, self-worth, and an antonym of shame
03:58 🔗 Ravenloft and answering your question, no, I am not a slow typer
03:58 🔗 SN4T14 It took you 10 minutes to write that, really?
03:58 🔗 SN4T14 Also I love how you say "dignity" is a synonym of "dignity"
03:59 🔗 Ravenloft yeah, its called thinking
03:59 🔗 Ravenloft in this case, thinking the best way to explain something that I already explained
04:00 🔗 SN4T14 You never explained that, except for your cryptic replies, which you did not clarify when I requested
04:00 🔗 closure ok, an its debate it's then.
04:00 🔗 SN4T14 And jumping from synonym to synonym does not work, because, like you said, words have multiple meanings
04:00 🔗 Ravenloft its in the link that _you_ used as evidence
04:01 🔗 SN4T14 Ravenloft, again, ignoring my request that you clarify, in which I explained exactly what was confusing me
04:01 🔗 Ravenloft what else I need to clarify?
04:02 🔗 SN4T14 Right now, nothing, it's clear as day that your stance on this matter is "I'm right" instead of "I believe I'm right" and because of that, I really don't care, since my words won't affect your stance.
04:03 🔗 Ravenloft sorry, I composed the best explanation that I can, I think its a clear and conscise explanation, even for people with poor reading comprehension
04:03 🔗 SN4T14 Yay, a passive-agressive sign off, your frustration is showing.
04:04 🔗 Ravenloft yeah, its frustrating
04:05 🔗 Ravenloft and I as already said, its not a case of "me" being right, I am just explaining to you something, and you cant/dont want to understand
04:06 🔗 SN4T14 Yay, *another* passive-agressive sign off, your frustration keeps showing, and it's quite obvious that your self-doubt is causing some of it
04:11 🔗 Ravenloft self-doubt?
04:11 🔗 Ravenloft care to elaborate?
04:11 🔗 SN4T14 Not really, I have better things to do than to argue with a brick wal
04:11 🔗 SN4T14 wall*
04:15 🔗 Ravenloft as in stonewall? a major point in the gay pride history, indeed
04:15 🔗 exmic you guys are still at this?
04:15 🔗 exmic really?
04:17 🔗 SN4T14 exmic, this is the -bs channel, what's with the negativity?
04:17 🔗 Ravenloft exmic I'm done, its all yours
04:18 🔗 exmic SN4T14: mostly it's that "wall of two people being angry at each other" isn't the purpose of -bs
04:19 🔗 SN4T14 exmic, I thought the purpose of -bs was "anything not related to ArchiveTeam, but you want to discuss"
04:19 🔗 SN4T14 One thing led to another, and then that
04:19 🔗 SN4T14 What's the point of -bs if you're not okay with random discussion?
04:19 🔗 * Ravenloft popcorn.gif
04:20 🔗 exmic I'm not condemning your conversation
04:20 🔗 exmic simply remarking on its tedium
04:20 🔗 SN4T14 In a pretty hostile way
04:20 🔗 exmic fair enough
04:21 🔗 SN4T14 Thanks for understanding, it just felt kind of like a "STFU or GTFO" message. :p
04:22 🔗 exmic not everyone in the world is out to get you
04:22 🔗 SN4T14 I really should try to start thinking that way. :/
04:22 🔗 SN4T14 Kind of hard when for the past 9 years of your life, that was actually true. :/
04:23 🔗 * Ravenloft whispers to exmic: just dont
04:23 🔗 Ravenloft [01:22] <SN4T14> I really should try to start thinking
04:23 🔗 SN4T14 Ravenloft, I've had enough of your shit, go fuck yourself
04:23 🔗 exmic man I was wondering if you would keep arguing with me even if I just agreed with you over and over
04:23 🔗 Atluxity SN4T14: your frustration is showing
04:24 🔗 exmic Ravenloft, SN4T14: go get a beer and sit on your respective front porches
04:24 🔗 Ravenloft yes sir
04:24 🔗 exmic thank you
04:24 🔗 SN4T14 Okay, this is ridiculous, three insults directed at me within a minute, one of them from an op of the channel
04:25 🔗 Atluxity but none from your mom, yet :)
04:25 🔗 SN4T14 Mature.
04:25 🔗 exmic Can it, SN4T14.
04:25 🔗 SN4T14 Yay, more hostility
04:26 🔗 * Atluxity cans it
04:26 🔗 Ravenloft Atluxity yes, you can
04:26 🔗 SN4T14 I know your type, exmic, you're going to keep poking me until you feel like you can justify banning me
04:27 🔗 exmic if you're still arguing with people in an hour I'll ban you
04:27 🔗 exmic I'm going to leave until then
04:27 🔗 exmic is that fair?
04:27 🔗 SN4T14 No, I'll be asleep at that point, and threats of banning for bullshit-type discussions in the -bs channel is not exactly fair
04:28 🔗 SN4T14 Speaking of sleep, I'm going to go to sleep
04:28 🔗 exmic ok
04:28 🔗 exmic goodnight then
04:30 🔗 Ravenloft SN4T14 sorry if I upset you, it was not my intend. From my end, you are a bad troll, a very good troll, or is being really sincere, and having this last possibility even a small chance of being the correct, I sincerely dont want to feed any negative feelings.
04:33 🔗 garyrh http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/28h3qp/1200lbs_of_nintendo_ds_3ds_games/
04:34 🔗 garyrh their "only value is in the gold scrap"
04:36 🔗 Ravenloft probably right about the allegedly 75% iCarly 2
04:36 🔗 Ravenloft probably not about the rest
05:41 🔗 underscor yay, ipv6
05:43 🔗 BlueMax god that's longer than most people's dicks
05:43 🔗 underscor lol
05:43 🔗 underscor It's just the dhcpv6-pd address from time warner that I get
07:21 🔗 exmic no :: parts for underscor's isp
07:21 🔗 underscor haha
07:21 🔗 * exmic sucks down another weird ftp site
07:21 🔗 underscor I mean, I could custom do something in 2604:6000:1003:c160::/64
07:21 🔗 underscor but that's just the default eui-64 windows is doing
10:07 🔗 midas stop fucking crashing on me s3.
10:12 🔗 midas exmic: you should join #effteepee :)
11:06 🔗 arkiver midas: I'm getting error 500 all the time from S3
11:12 🔗 midas S3 @ archive.org or aws?
13:35 🔗 godane most my cbsnews stuff that i was uploading failed on me
13:35 🔗 godane going to be reuploading that today
13:35 🔗 schbirid anyone else getting weird unzip warnings with the NYC taxi data? eg 8589934592 extra bytes at beginning or within zipfile
13:35 🔗 JohnnyJac That sucks.
13:37 🔗 midas please dont fail on me now s3
13:37 🔗 midas uploading 40GB
13:43 🔗 schbirid some of the trip data ones did not extract at all :(
13:54 🔗 godane i just remember something
13:54 🔗 godane i think the government knows that i'm godane
13:55 🔗 godane cause of that one mailed package using my username
13:55 🔗 schbirid i am pretty sure they would have zero trouble knowing who everyone in this channel is
13:56 🔗 godane i know
13:56 🔗 JohnnyJac True facts, sadly.
13:57 🔗 godane i just hope they don't go after me like a terrorist: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/30/ahmed-abdi-godane-is-al-shabab-s-osama-bin-laden.html
14:00 🔗 schbirid "arab hacker caught spying on our media history"
14:05 🔗 godane i use to be in the top 10 google searches with my username
14:05 🔗 godane now its about that guy
14:06 🔗 godane also in 2007 it was Japanese handbags that was using the name godane
14:23 🔗 ohhdemgir http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/28js8v/i_am_julian_assange_publisher_of_wikileaks_ask_me/
15:38 🔗 * joepie91_ pokes midas, JohnnyJac, SN4T14
15:38 🔗 JohnnyJac Migrated.
15:38 🔗 joepie91_ :P
15:39 🔗 midas im always here
15:40 🔗 joepie91_ but yeah
15:40 🔗 joepie91_ midas: Kiosk
15:40 🔗 joepie91_ was the place where I worked (obviously)
15:41 🔗 godane i'm have fun with IA
15:41 🔗 joepie91_ old Kiosk 'model' also had 'Snack Kiosk' things, which was the snackbars
15:41 🔗 joepie91_ and 'Reizigerskiosk' which were basically Kiosks except more like a small supermarket
15:41 🔗 godane it will some times uploads and other times now
15:41 🔗 godane *not
15:41 🔗 joepie91_ we had all 3 types in Gouda, where I worked
15:41 🔗 SN4T14 Oh hi!
15:41 🔗 joepie91_ ohai SN4T14 :P
15:41 🔗 joepie91_ we have plenty of railways here
15:41 🔗 midas too damn many
15:41 🔗 joepie91_ and there's basically one single company who runs 90% of the stores/things at railway stations throughout the country
15:42 🔗 joepie91_ which used to be called Servex but was actually just a daughter company of the (privatized) railways
15:42 🔗 joepie91_ lol
15:42 🔗 midas again, you were cold, why didnt you just set fire to the kiosk
15:42 🔗 joepie91_ it's kinda weird really
15:42 🔗 midas nowadays is AH to go
15:42 🔗 midas i think
15:42 🔗 joepie91_ midas: what about it?
15:42 🔗 midas isnt it called AH to go now?
15:42 🔗 joepie91_ I think the reizigerskiosk in Gouda was changed to a regular kiosk
15:42 🔗 joepie91_ AH to go is a different 'formula'
15:42 🔗 joepie91_ also servex
15:43 🔗 joepie91_ but not the same as reizigerskiosk
15:43 🔗 joepie91_ they co-existed for some time
15:43 🔗 midas nope AH to go isnt servex
15:43 🔗 midas i know this for sure
15:43 🔗 joepie91_ yes it is
15:43 🔗 midas nope it isnt
15:43 🔗 joepie91_ they're a franchiseholder
15:43 🔗 joepie91_ at least they /were/
15:43 🔗 midas is not
15:43 🔗 midas i used to work for Ahold
15:43 🔗 joepie91_ midas: dude, ah to go was literally in the employee help system :P
15:43 🔗 joepie91_ at kiosk
15:43 🔗 joepie91_ they use the same system servex-wide
15:43 🔗 joepie91_ it absolutely was franchised by servex at that point
15:43 🔗 joepie91_ except for like 2 locations
15:43 🔗 midas we build the narrowcasting system for every AH in the netherlands/europe
15:43 🔗 midas germany and belgium :p
15:44 🔗 joepie91_ midas: that doesn't mean that Servex wasn't a franchiseholder
15:44 🔗 joepie91_ franchiseholder or not, they'll still have to run the AH formula
15:44 🔗 joepie91_ including narrowcasting
15:44 🔗 midas (btw, shitty system, all shops are connected using a very slow mpls connection to germany)
15:45 🔗 joepie91_ https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/NS_Stations_Retailbedrijf#AH_to_go
15:45 🔗 SN4T14 Oh, Gouda's a place, *not* a kind of cheese, in this context... >.>
15:45 🔗 joepie91_ there you go
15:45 🔗 joepie91_ franchiseholder, indirectly, of Ahold
15:45 🔗 joepie91_ SN4T14: correct, the place where the cheese comes from to be specific
15:45 🔗 joepie91_ anyway, we have a weird system here - there's NS Vastgoed (NS Real Estate, literally) who owns the railway stations
15:45 🔗 joepie91_ which are used by ProRail who maintain the rail network and are/were a part of NS
15:46 🔗 joepie91_ and timeslots rented from ProRail by NS Reizigers
15:46 🔗 JohnnyJac SN4T14, I thought the same...
15:46 🔗 joepie91_ then the real estate on the stations is rented by NS Retailbedrijf
15:46 🔗 joepie91_ which is ALSO a part of NS
15:46 🔗 joepie91_ /from/ NS vastgoed
15:46 🔗 joepie91_ so basically you have 3 levels of NS daughter companies all renting shit from each other
15:46 🔗 joepie91_ it makes absolutely no goddamn sense :P
15:47 🔗 joepie91_ tl;dr they own the entire railways and everything around it
15:47 🔗 midas and also state property for X percent
15:47 🔗 joepie91_ midas: yes, but state is just stockholder
15:47 🔗 midas yeah
15:47 🔗 joepie91_ it's privatized, so that doesn't count for much
15:47 🔗 midas with a backdoor to buy it all back again or that might have expired just a couple of months ago
15:48 🔗 joepie91_ midas: perhaps they should've done so >.>
15:48 🔗 joepie91_ then again, they /definitely/ should've done so for PostNL
15:48 🔗 joepie91_ because what a goddamn mess that has become, jesus
15:48 🔗 midas better idea is to remove the tracks and make it a highway
15:48 🔗 midas :p
15:48 🔗 joepie91_ no, it's not
15:48 🔗 midas SARCASM joepie91_ SARCASM
15:48 🔗 joepie91_ you need a sarcasm symbol
15:49 🔗 joepie91_ http://www.sarcmark.com/
15:49 🔗 joepie91_ there you go
15:49 🔗 joepie91_ should archive that btw
15:49 🔗 midas yay
15:50 🔗 JohnnyJac Good idea.
15:50 🔗 SN4T14 Just use /s like everyone else. :p
15:50 🔗 midas Go to the website and complain!
15:51 🔗 SN4T14 Also that website looks like it was made in the early 2000s
15:51 🔗 midas cool isnt it?
15:51 🔗 midas i like old websites
15:51 🔗 joepie91_ :P
15:52 🔗 midas this is fun, grabbing packardbell's FTP
15:52 🔗 joepie91_ oh god
15:52 🔗 joepie91_ that's worse than geocities
15:52 🔗 JohnnyJac Friend of mine shared this gem a bit ago: http://www2.warnerbros.com/spacejam/movie/jam.htm
15:52 🔗 midas it's pritty fast actually! :P
15:52 🔗 joepie91_ dude
15:52 🔗 joepie91_ it's packard bell
15:52 🔗 joepie91_ they're awful
15:53 🔗 midas JohnnyJac: awesome isnt it? :P
15:53 🔗 joepie91_ every kind of awful
15:53 🔗 midas true but im pulling in at 20MB/s right now
15:53 🔗 JohnnyJac Yup.
15:53 🔗 midas i remember visiting that site when i was 10 or so
15:53 🔗 midas 11
15:54 🔗 joepie91_ midas: that's probably because nobody else wants packardbell crap
15:54 🔗 joepie91_ lol
15:54 🔗 midas true
15:54 🔗 joepie91_ so you have the entire uplink for yourself
15:54 🔗 midas i know :)
15:55 🔗 JohnnyJac I am lsftp'ing ftp://ftp.d-link.co.za/ at the moment. No idea if has been grabbed already yet. Just... y'know, preparing in case it hasn't.
15:55 🔗 joepie91_ [17:51] <joepie91_> where would I report the web IRC being down?
15:55 🔗 joepie91_ [17:53] <spear> joepie91_, to the web irc complaint section i guess
15:55 🔗 SN4T14 JohnnyJac, are you getting ftp.packardbell.com or ftp.download.packardbell.com?
15:55 🔗 joepie91_ [17:53] <joepie91_> well yes, but where would that be? :P
15:55 🔗 joepie91_ [17:54] <joepie91_> I'd been looking around for a general support channel, but there seems to be none
15:55 🔗 joepie91_ [17:54] <spear> im sure that perplexa will take your pm
15:55 🔗 joepie91_ [17:54] <perplexa> suck my dick
15:55 🔗 midas oh how much hate i had against them
15:55 🔗 joepie91_ [17:54] <spear> hes a pro
15:55 🔗 joepie91_ I'm not sure what I expected
15:55 🔗 midas SN4T14: ftp.pb
15:55 🔗 midas joepie91_: hahahha
15:56 🔗 SN4T14 Oh, it was you, not JohnnyJac. >.>
15:56 🔗 JohnnyJac SNT, that was not me.
15:56 🔗 JohnnyJac I am looking at ftp://ftp.d-link.co.za/ at the moment. Listing right now.
15:56 🔗 SN4T14 You all look the same! :p
15:56 🔗 midas JohnnyJac: do you have a beard?
15:56 🔗 JohnnyJac Possibly...
15:57 🔗 midas damnit, you might look like me
15:57 🔗 midas glasses?
15:57 🔗 JohnnyJac ...possibly.
15:57 🔗 midas HA! SN4T14 you are WRONG!
15:57 🔗 midas i had my eyes lasered
15:57 🔗 SN4T14 D:
15:57 🔗 SN4T14 Maybe he's younger than you?
15:58 🔗 midas doesnt matter, still running around with my middlefingers in the air
15:58 🔗 SN4T14 Ooh, maybe he's your evil twin, and the only difference is that he didn't get laser!
15:58 🔗 SN4T14 lol
15:58 🔗 midas fucking A, S3 worked!
15:59 🔗 JohnnyJac Nice.
16:00 🔗 joepie91_ right
16:01 🔗 joepie91_ so my answer to "where is webchat support"
16:01 🔗 joepie91_ is
16:01 🔗 joepie91_ "there potentially is none"
16:01 🔗 joepie91_ half expected that, tbh :P
16:02 🔗 midas where is webchat support, in my pants!
16:02 🔗 joepie91_ >.>
16:02 🔗 midas that's what he said!
16:03 🔗 midas (he did, you pasted it yourself :p)
16:03 🔗 JohnnyJac I just looked this up. Anyone had any use of/heard of it? http://code.google.com/p/httrack2arc/
16:03 🔗 JohnnyJac Is it useful for me?
16:03 🔗 midas time to go
16:04 🔗 midas closing the building :X
16:04 🔗 SN4T14 Bye midas!
16:04 🔗 schbirid midas!
16:04 🔗 schbirid you know what to do!
16:04 🔗 SN4T14 joepie91_, why/what network are you looking for webchat support in?
16:04 🔗 joepie91_ efnet :P
16:04 🔗 joepie91_ chat.efnet.org is dead
16:05 🔗 SN4T14 JohnnyJac, just use Cygwin
16:05 🔗 SN4T14 HTTrack is an overcomplicated POS. :p
16:05 🔗 JohnnyJac Figured that would be a valid response. Hahaha! I j
16:05 🔗 SN4T14 It also ratelimits you at like 12KB/s, and the way to get around that in the GUI is really weird
16:06 🔗 JohnnyJac ust HTTracked that SarcMark thing. Guess I'll just stick with wget.
16:08 🔗 SN4T14 Yeah, go with wget. :p
16:09 🔗 joepie91_ archivebot is already grabbing sarcmark,btw
16:10 🔗 SN4T14 sarcmark has a captcha at one point, though
16:10 🔗 joepie91_ ?
16:10 🔗 SN4T14 Try downloading it, a few pages in you'll hit a captcha. :p
16:10 🔗 joepie91_ what
16:10 🔗 joepie91_ wait, what kind of captcha
16:11 🔗 joepie91_ a cloudflare captcha?
16:11 🔗 SN4T14 No, looked custom-made
16:11 🔗 joepie91_ wtf.
16:12 🔗 SN4T14 ...I should totally buy sn4t14.com
16:15 🔗 joepie91_ I should totally get some shit done
16:15 🔗 joepie91_ >.>
16:15 🔗 SN4T14 Pfft, fuck getting shit done
16:15 🔗 SN4T14 :D
16:15 🔗 joepie91_ no, not really :P
16:15 🔗 joepie91_ I have a number of open pythonwhois tickets
16:16 🔗 joepie91_ as well as a security-related email I need to take a look at
16:16 🔗 joepie91_ and anonnews still needs to go back up
16:17 🔗 JohnnyJa1 Well. I just cloned myself.
16:17 🔗 JohnnyJa1 Damn ISP outage...
16:17 🔗 joepie91_ careful, you're upsetting the space-time equilibrium
16:41 🔗 SN4T14 Bahahaha, online.net truly are idiots
16:42 🔗 * joepie91_ twiddles
16:42 🔗 SN4T14 A full month is 15 days, according to this support person
16:42 🔗 joepie91_ SN4T14: oh, cancellation term?
16:42 🔗 joepie91_ (like, is that the topic?)
16:42 🔗 SN4T14 No, their sales terms say the minimum subscription time is 1 month
16:42 🔗 joepie91_ ah
16:42 🔗 SN4T14 And apparently 15 days is a full month
16:43 🔗 joepie91_ lol
16:43 🔗 joepie91_ fwiw, there's also https://www.digicube.fr/rapidserveurs
16:44 🔗 SN4T14 What sort of speeds do you actually get on those? I doubt that's 1Gbit dedicated.
16:47 🔗 schbirid nice, 8€ for 1tb
16:47 🔗 schbirid sounds great for seafile :)
16:47 🔗 joepie91_ SN4T14: 100mbps for cheaper plans
16:47 🔗 joepie91_ it's not dedicated
16:47 🔗 joepie91_ but you can likely burst fairly nicely
16:47 🔗 joepie91_ though the routing might be dubious
16:48 🔗 joepie91_ probably better than online though
16:48 🔗 joepie91_ :P
16:48 🔗 SN4T14 lol, that's not really hard to be. :p
16:48 🔗 joepie91_ (online isn't dedicated bw either, btw)
16:48 🔗 joepie91_ but yeah, I just noticed that 'new' plan
16:48 🔗 joepie91_ which looks pretty sexy
16:48 🔗 joepie91_ also, sec
16:49 🔗 joepie91_ SN4T14: will get back to you later with info about network quality :P
16:49 🔗 SN4T14 Mkay
16:49 🔗 SN4T14 And what is it with France and dedicated servers? >.>
16:50 🔗 joepie91_ :P
16:50 🔗 joepie91_ local competition I suppose
16:50 🔗 joepie91_ there's some similar stuff going on in Germany with 1&1 and Strato
16:50 🔗 joepie91_ but both are godawful
16:50 🔗 SN4T14 lol
16:50 🔗 joepie91_ Hetzner is good, but not usually as cheap
16:50 🔗 joepie91_ though serverbidding has nice stuff
16:50 🔗 joepie91_ from time to time
16:51 🔗 SN4T14 You should make a dedi-list too. :p
16:51 🔗 joepie91_ http://www.serverbidding.com/
16:51 🔗 joepie91_ specifically, https://robot.your-server.de/order/market
16:51 🔗 joepie91_ (CPU-B is passmark I think)
16:52 🔗 joepie91_ serverbidding is basically Hetzner re-selling cancelled older servers, and 'spare parts bin' builds
16:53 🔗 joepie91_ but they don't do <10 euro dedicated
16:54 🔗 joepie91_ hm, looks like server4you isn't as cheap as they used to be
16:58 🔗 joepie91_ oh well
16:58 🔗 joepie91_ SN4T14: http://www.server4you.com/dedicated-server/compare/
16:58 🔗 joepie91_ $60/mo for 8 cores, 16G RAM, 2x2TB
16:58 🔗 joepie91_ and unmetered 100mbps
18:06 🔗 SN4T14 joepie91_, are you asleep again? :p
18:06 🔗 joepie91_ SN4T14: no
18:07 🔗 joepie91_ reading a legal blog
18:07 🔗 joepie91_ and about to shower and write database query cacheing layer
18:07 🔗 joepie91_ :P
18:07 🔗 SN4T14 You should check your XMPP thingy. :p
18:07 🔗 joepie91_ wat?
18:31 🔗 ivan` joepie91_: that's worse than the soyoustart deal
18:32 🔗 SN4T14 ivan`, they have setup fees, though. >.>
18:32 🔗 ivan` oh noes!
18:32 🔗 SN4T14 Setup fees are obnoxious. D:
19:06 🔗 midas you might want to stay away from hetzner tho
19:06 🔗 midas atleast, if you want to use it as a IRC box on EFnet
19:07 🔗 midas http://forum.efnet.org/viewtopic.php?t=5866
19:07 🔗 godane so i made a script to download the cnn news update mp3 files
19:07 🔗 SN4T14 midas, nahh, my online.net boxes will be running different things
19:08 🔗 SN4T14 Mostly ohhdemgir using them for FTP grabbing, and websites. :p
19:08 🔗 SN4T14 The IRC bot will be hosted on one of my other boxes
19:08 🔗 SN4T14 (If we ever decide to use it, that is)
19:09 🔗 SN4T14 godane, are you ripping them?
19:09 🔗 godane no just grabbing the mp3s
19:10 🔗 godane i have to brute force the urls
19:10 🔗 SN4T14 There has to be a simpler way
19:11 🔗 godane that is the simpler way
19:11 🔗 godane there is a pattern to the madness anways
19:11 🔗 godane *anyways
19:11 🔗 godane rss feed gives paths: https://web.archive.org/web/20090217220119/http://rss.cnn.com/services/podcasting/newscast/rss.xml
19:12 🔗 SN4T14 Ah, so are you using saved RSS feeds from archive.org?
19:12 🔗 godane to figure out patterns yes
19:13 🔗 SN4T14 Ah
19:13 🔗 godane i can only find stuff after 02-16-2009
19:14 🔗 godane very odd but at least i'm getting it
19:22 🔗 godane i also got to start mirroring more those 'Now in The News' podcasts also
19:39 🔗 schbirid midas: last chance tomorrow or i will start deleting
19:39 🔗 schbirid should not be tooo bad since jamendo is still alive but the random lost album will be among it
19:40 🔗 midas got paypal?
19:40 🔗 schbirid yes but no :(
19:40 🔗 midas oh for fuck sake
19:40 🔗 schbirid that would feel wrong somehow
19:45 🔗 schbirid or do you really need _another_ hdd?
19:50 🔗 midas i have stacks of hdd's, i just need one in germany.
19:50 🔗 Smiley how much space u need?
19:52 🔗 midas Smiley: it's a pickup disk
19:52 🔗 schbirid oh ok
19:52 🔗 schbirid then let's do that if you really want!
19:52 🔗 midas http://www.alternate.de/Western-Digital/WD40EZRX-4-TB-Festplatte/html/product/1099853?
19:53 🔗 midas order that one
20:19 🔗 midas schbirid: you probably know this
20:19 🔗 midas does one pay for download traffic on s3? :P
20:19 🔗 SN4T14 midas, are you thinking of uploading something huge to s3? :p
20:19 🔗 midas nope
20:20 🔗 midas i've been pulling alot of data from s3 the last weeks
20:20 🔗 schbirid yeah
20:20 🔗 schbirid but not much
20:20 🔗 SN4T14 Ah, yeah
20:20 🔗 midas well, days :p
20:20 🔗 schbirid i think
20:20 🔗 SN4T14 It's like $0.012/GB for the first few TB I think
20:20 🔗 schbirid earbits was <200$ from my calculations if i recall correctly
20:20 🔗 midas still 0 dollar
20:20 🔗 midas oh no, i mean downloading via s3cmd :P
20:20 🔗 schbirid so for private accounts it might suck
20:20 🔗 schbirid but for companies it is peanuts
20:20 🔗 schbirid oh, no idea
20:21 🔗 midas me neither
20:21 🔗 midas my account still says 0 bucks, so should be fine
20:58 🔗 godane i got my new hard drives from IA
20:59 🔗 godane 1TB seagate drives
20:59 🔗 arkiver IA giving harddrives away?
20:59 🔗 Smiley shame no inter. shipping D:
21:00 🔗 godane i think i'm some sort of special case
21:00 🔗 Smiley hehe i wouldn't expect them to give me hdds anyway
21:00 🔗 godane i have access to about 30 collections
21:00 🔗 arkiver yeah I see
21:01 🔗 arkiver you deserve them man, if I see all the time and items you upload... O.o
21:01 🔗 Smiley I think if I didn't have to work, I'd be a bit like godane
21:01 🔗 Smiley but sadly not as functional
21:05 🔗 godane they didn't reformat the hard drives
21:05 🔗 Smiley o_O
21:06 🔗 godane its xfs
21:06 🔗 joepie91_ [22:20] <midas> oh no, i mean downloading via s3cmd :P
21:06 🔗 joepie91_ yes and no
21:07 🔗 joepie91_ iirc if you download from a third-party S3 bucket, you only pay if it's a requester-pays bucket
21:07 🔗 joepie91_ [20:31] <ivan`> joepie91_: that's worse than the soyoustart deal
21:08 🔗 joepie91_ yes, but OVH was not an option was my understanding
21:08 🔗 godane wtf
21:08 🔗 joepie91_ [21:06] <midas> atleast, if you want to use it as a IRC box on EFnet
21:08 🔗 joepie91_ hetzner hates IRC anyway
21:08 🔗 joepie91_ :P
21:08 🔗 godane i think i have enron emails
21:08 🔗 midas and EFnet hates hetzner
21:08 🔗 Smiley ...
21:08 🔗 DFJustin https://archive.org/details/2011_04_02_enron_email_dataset
21:08 🔗 joepie91_ well yes but efnet hates everything
21:08 🔗 Smiley godane: errrrm :D
21:09 🔗 joepie91_ midas: my ZNC is blocked because a bunch of efnet servers blocked the entire ipv6 range that my ISP lives in
21:09 🔗 joepie91_ for no apparent reason
21:09 🔗 joepie91_ but I can connect over ipv4 fine
21:09 🔗 midas obviously for being ipv6
21:09 🔗 midas ipv6 will kill the internet!
21:09 🔗 joepie91_ and it is my understanding that the relevant server operators have been less than cooperative
21:09 🔗 joepie91_ >.>
21:10 🔗 midas sarcasm icon didnt work on linux btw
21:10 🔗 midas :P
21:10 🔗 joepie91_ lol
21:10 🔗 godane alot of these files are named like blk_3356749738211174036
21:11 🔗 joepie91_ also, midas, what's with the open s3 buckets
21:11 🔗 joepie91_ are we renaming to S3Team
21:11 🔗 Smiley well theres a fun idea for the future
21:11 🔗 midas i have no idea
21:11 🔗 Smiley IPv6
21:11 🔗 Smiley no way you can run a firewall which is going to run on single IP's
21:11 🔗 godane and another file with same name with .meta at the end of it
21:11 🔗 Smiley so you'll be blocking blocks..... so then you just gotta try and get a block near an adversary, and get yourself blocked....
21:12 🔗 joepie91_ Smiley: there's a specified recommended end-user allocation
21:12 🔗 joepie91_ it's also what is recommended to be used for bans
21:13 🔗 midas but still joepie91_, warrior with ipv6 support would mean atleast a /48 hammering down and grabbing as much data
21:13 🔗 joepie91_ ?
21:13 🔗 Smiley joepie91_: nod
21:13 🔗 Smiley and NAT isn't reccomended.... how well did that work out D:
21:13 🔗 midas if you are a startup and dont limit by block but per ip you will be swamped
21:13 🔗 joepie91_ well yeah, but NAT grew out of necessity
21:13 🔗 joepie91_ :p
21:14 🔗 Smiley As will HUGE bans for single attackers
21:14 🔗 joepie91_ Smiley: https://xkcd.com/865/
21:14 🔗 joepie91_ yes, which is fine
21:14 🔗 joepie91_ as long as ISPs adhere to the recommendation
21:14 🔗 joepie91_ which there seems to be no valid reason not to
21:14 🔗 Smiley theres a reason why freenode has so many channels with */tor/* bans
21:14 🔗 midas who knew that someday more than 6 billion people will use the internet
21:14 🔗 Smiley Is there a valid reason not to have net neutrality?
21:14 🔗 midas s/will/would
21:15 🔗 joepie91_ Smiley: delicious capitalism
21:15 🔗 Smiley :@)
21:15 🔗 Smiley enjoy your capitalistic ipsaving bandwidth blocking overlords.
21:15 🔗 joepie91_ (nope, sarcmark not working here either)
21:15 🔗 midas i was wondering why i didnt see sarcmark
21:16 🔗 midas joepie91_: opinion
21:16 🔗 midas tar the s3 bucket in 1 tar?
21:16 🔗 midas (rawporter grab)
21:17 🔗 joepie91_ sure
21:18 🔗 midas poor box
21:19 🔗 arkiver midas: you don't have it as warc's?
21:19 🔗 midas arkiver: i pulled the entire s3 bucket
21:20 🔗 arkiver midas: I don't have lot of knowledge about s3
21:20 🔗 arkiver but they're not warc's?
21:20 🔗 midas nope
21:20 🔗 joepie91_ it's hard to WARC an S3 bucket
21:20 🔗 midas this is just the data
21:20 🔗 joepie91_ best you can do is collect a list of URLs and then wget --warc-file= -i urllist.txt
21:21 🔗 arkiver hmm
21:21 🔗 arkiver let's see
21:21 🔗 arkiver are there 37382 files?
21:22 🔗 midas cant check right now
21:22 🔗 midas box is too busy
21:23 🔗 godane ok so the files are under dfs folder
21:23 🔗 godane is dfs a drob folder tree?
21:38 🔗 godane anyways i'm reformating the hard drive now
22:00 🔗 yipdw Smiley: !ao < URLs is a planned ArchiveBot feature
22:00 🔗 yipdw I just haven't gotten around to it
22:01 🔗 yipdw for more details, see whatever issue it is in ArchiveBot's tracker
22:16 🔗 joepie91_ http://polandball.co/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/114-Canadas-vocabulary-slip-up.png
22:27 🔗 DFJustin haha
22:27 🔗 Ravenloft hehe, I used to be grumpy about it, now I dont care
22:28 🔗 Ravenloft it remember the UN "about" scene on South Park movie
23:42 🔗 DFJustin https://twitter.com/dericed/status/479758612118913024
23:58 🔗 exmic hahaha

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