#archiveteam-bs 2014-10-23,Thu

↑back Search

Time	Nickname	Message
00:00 ^🔗	garyrh	:(
00:00 ^🔗	pikhq	What the heck?
00:00 ^🔗	aaaaaaaaa	he got banned from archivebot again
00:01 ^🔗	jesusrule	Idiots, I have holier skin that you. All you do is carry on and see me as a tiny idiot, perhaps even laugh. But you won't be laughing once all of your blood, guts, and organs are shed and fed to 100s!
00:02 ^🔗	jesusrule	I'm speaking in the name of Jesus Christ.
00:02 ^🔗	jesusrule	I'll probably enjoy bloody wine with some great steak the most. >:D
00:03 ^🔗	pikhq	Sounds like a justification for banning mibbit.
00:05 ^🔗	fuckivan	Ivan sucks.
00:05 ^🔗	fuckivan	Fuck him.
00:05 ^🔗	fuckivan	Fuck him.
00:05 ^🔗	fuckivan	He probably needs artificial sex with inanimate objects to feel better.
00:05 ^🔗	fuckivan	He humps mannequins.
00:06 ^🔗	garyrh	yeah, so could someone ban mibbit?
00:07 ^🔗	DFJustin	talk about the gift that keeps on giving
00:14 ^🔗	wp494	here, I'm going to pop on to see if it's unique in any way
00:14 ^🔗	wp494	okay so that seems like yes
00:14 ^🔗	wp494	let me go do it in the channels I have +o in in a few mins
00:16 ^🔗	aaaaaaaaa	!4c163e17@*.mibbit.com
00:16 ^🔗	aaaaaaaaa	that is what ivan used, fwiw
00:16 ^🔗	*	chronomex wields a blunt hammer
00:17 ^🔗	wp494	okay, will copypasta
00:19 ^🔗	wp494	trash has been preemptively taken out in channels I've got +o in
00:24 ^🔗	fuckallyo	www.stopbullying.gov/cyberbullying
00:24 ^🔗	fuckallyo	That applies to you idiots.
00:27 ^🔗	aaaaaaaaa	Can't seem to get the message that acting like a sociopath won't make people like you.
00:30 ^🔗	BlueMaxim	seems everyone is absolutely loved today!
00:32 ^🔗	garyrh	<3
00:50 ^🔗	wp494	DFJustin: can you /mode #archiveteam-bs +b 4c163e17@.mibbit.com
00:50 ^🔗	wp494	and do the same for #archiveteam and #archivebot
00:50 ^🔗	wp494	please and thank you
01:06 ^🔗	chronomex	have at it, also in #
01:20 ^🔗	yipdw	it's kind of astounding that in five years of archive team that we've only had one really odd nutball
01:22 ^🔗	aaaaaaaaa	I'm sure they are more, they just use their power for good.
01:22 ^🔗	yipdw	true
01:23 ^🔗	aaaaaaaaa	Can't help but think what sort of asset he would be with all that energy invested in something productive.
01:24 ^🔗	yipdw	he does upload archives and they seem okay
01:24 ^🔗	yipdw	the reaction is pretty crazy though
01:24 ^🔗	chronomex	oh we've had loads of nutballs
01:24 ^🔗	chronomex	usually not more than one at a time
01:31 ^🔗	wp494	thank you very much chronomex
03:38 ^🔗	yipdw	fun with 3d printing
03:38 ^🔗	yipdw	http://i.imgur.com/3oJdSXK.png
03:38 ^🔗	yipdw	so many mesh errors to fix heh
03:41 ^🔗	chronomex	fuuuuun
03:56 ^🔗	yipdw	woo remove doubles saved my ass
05:09 ^🔗	SketchCow	Strange kid.
06:17 ^🔗	ersi	For sure.
07:35 ^🔗	midas	soo, at what point did archiveteam changed from attracting people that care to people that want to spill our blood?
07:57 ^🔗	Atluxity	are we at the "then they fight you" stage now?
07:58 ^🔗	Smiley	i think its that kid again lol
07:58 ^🔗	midas	probably yeah
07:58 ^🔗	Smiley	dec1999 or whatecer his nicj was.
08:00 ^🔗	chronomex	dec-31-99
08:00 ^🔗	chronomex	that guy
08:02 ^🔗	Smiley	or noah just got his bw bill :D
08:07 ^🔗	midas	hahaha
08:25 ^🔗	ersi	Yeah, he's just crazy and has too much time on his hands
08:26 ^🔗	Atluxity	so he is probably born in 99, his behaviour makes total sense
08:31 ^🔗	Smiley	so i can do metadatacmaybe...
09:15 ^🔗	Rotab	Atluxity: i think he said he is 13 or 14, so yeah
09:15 ^🔗	Rotab	what did he do this time?
09:21 ^🔗	midas	16 Rotab, and he wants to spill some blood or something
09:21 ^🔗	midas	anyway, not important
09:22 ^🔗	Rotab	oh, 16
09:22 ^🔗	Rotab	same shit :))
09:22 ^🔗	midas	we've all been that age
09:24 ^🔗	Rotab	yeah but not like that.. i hope
09:29 ^🔗	Smiley	lol nod
09:29 ^🔗	Smiley	i was wild but never murderous
09:31 ^🔗	midas	not saying i was muderous, just young :p
09:58 ^🔗	Smiley	lol aye
10:02 ^🔗	ersi	Rotab: He posted in #archiveteam as jscottsux at 02:13 (our time)
10:03 ^🔗	godane	can anyone look at digi.vatlib.it to find full pdfs of there digital work
10:06 ^🔗	BlueMaxim	"It works!"
10:07 ^🔗	godane	they water mark the hell out of these books
10:33 ^🔗	Rotab	ersi: i lost it
10:33 ^🔗	Rotab	ersi: psu cable wasnt plugged in properly :D
10:33 ^🔗	Rotab	poff
11:39 ^🔗	godane	so i'm close to 29k items now
11:39 ^🔗	godane	about 20k of it is the eric archive
15:47 ^🔗	aaaaaaaaa	since SketchCow seems to have a thing for ello: https://ello.co/wtf/post/FsXDQrTHGLKhHbaSaVrHXg
15:47 ^🔗	aaaaaaaaa	they seem to have become a public benefit corporation.
15:48 ^🔗	SketchCow	Morning
15:54 ^🔗	SketchCow	Thanks for the tip
15:55 ^🔗	aaaaaaaaa	You are welcome.
16:30 ^🔗	schbirid	sometimes i am amazed at huge random forums one can stumble upon http://forums.d2jsp.org/
16:41 ^🔗	godane	so i found sort of a home improvement show from Japan called Before After
17:32 ^🔗	godane	so i'm finally uploading 3501 to 3600 set of aol 4400 files
17:33 ^🔗	DFJustin	was wondering what happened to that
17:33 ^🔗	godane	i had it but need to add info.txt files to it
17:34 ^🔗	godane	been also working on the twit videos for the last 2 weeks
17:35 ^🔗	godane	i doing 3601 to 3620 so i can just search that area for missing info.txt then continue downloading with 3621 to 3640 etc
19:43 ^🔗	Smiley	http://www.arcade-museum.com
19:45 ^🔗	joepie91	where's the FTP channel again? ftp://kirklanduncorked.com/ should really be archived, and I don't think it has been done yet
19:45 ^🔗	w0rp	I went to upload something to IA, and I accidentally ended up getting the best URL ever.
19:45 ^🔗	w0rp	https://archive.org/details/FeelsGoodMan
19:45 ^🔗	w0rp	It's just what I was given so I was like, "Well, alright."
19:45 ^🔗	Smiley	lol
19:46 ^🔗	joepie91	ha
19:48 ^🔗	Smiley	yey metadata
19:48 ^🔗	Smiley	damn some of it sucks but D:
19:50 ^🔗	aaaaaaaaa	joepie91: #effteepee
19:50 ^🔗	joepie91	danke schon
19:53 ^🔗	ersi	Anyone happen to know of any good VPS offers from non-US companies? I've done a cursory look on LEB but havn't found anything. I'm out for cheap. The lowest I've found is Hetzner for 7.9â¬/mo
19:54 ^🔗	joepie91	ersi: not looking well enough :)
19:54 ^🔗	ersi	hmm
19:55 ^🔗	joepie91	there's EDIS for example
19:55 ^🔗	joepie91	austrian company
19:55 ^🔗	joepie91	servers errrywhere
19:55 ^🔗	joepie91	vps-forge is... let me check
19:55 ^🔗	joepie91	I think VPS-Forge is UK
19:55 ^🔗	joepie91	and their boxes are at Hetzner
19:56 ^🔗	joepie91	ya
19:56 ^🔗	ersi	EDIS seems to be out of stock on the latest offer
19:56 ^🔗	joepie91	https://www.opencompany.co.uk/company/07694072/vpsforge-ltd
19:56 ^🔗	joepie91	http://vps-forge.com/
19:56 ^🔗	joepie91	ersi: if UK/DE is okay, VPS-Forge is one I can recommend
19:56 ^🔗	joepie91	though I wonder why exactly you're after non-US VPS offers
19:56 ^🔗	ersi	As long as it isn't a non-US company
19:56 ^🔗	ersi	I'm embargoing them for being retards
19:56 ^🔗	ersi	:p
19:57 ^🔗	Smiley	\o/
19:57 ^🔗	joepie91	okay, that is a valid reason I suppose :P
19:57 ^🔗	ersi	and the only way to show the US, is to vote with the wallet
19:57 ^🔗	joepie91	was hoping it wasn't "because NSA" because in that sense it makes absolutely 0 difference where the company is located
19:57 ^🔗	ersi	only thing they care about
19:57 ^🔗	joepie91	so that was an unexpected satisfactory answer
19:57 ^🔗	joepie91	but yeah, VPS-Forge is UK
19:57 ^🔗	ersi	Well, I'm fucked even if I choose an European provider if the US would be after me or my services
19:57 ^🔗	joepie91	exactly my point :P
19:57 ^🔗	ersi	state based actors are hard to protect against
19:58 ^🔗	ersi	but I can still point my finger at the US and not give them my money voluntarily :)
19:58 ^🔗	ersi	I'll check them out
19:58 ^🔗	ersi	>_> vps-forge shows price in dollars :o
19:58 ^🔗	joepie91	ersi: any particular specs you're after?
19:58 ^🔗	joepie91	yes :P
19:58 ^🔗	ersi	wtf?! 2GB RAM? 5$/mo?!
19:58 ^🔗	joepie91	yup, they recently updated their plans
19:59 ^🔗	joepie91	be aware that it is openVZ
19:59 ^🔗	ersi	oh, unlimited ipv6.. I guess a single ipv4 costs extra :D
19:59 ^🔗	ersi	hmm, openVZ does ring bad
19:59 ^🔗	joepie91	1 ipv4 included
19:59 ^🔗	joepie91	not necessarily
19:59 ^🔗	joepie91	depends on the purpose
19:59 ^🔗	joepie91	what do you need it for :P
19:59 ^🔗	ersi	yeah
19:59 ^🔗	ersi	then again, I'm going to use this for super duper low-usage stuff
19:59 ^🔗	ersi	maybe I won't even notice how oversold it is
19:59 ^🔗	ersi	:D
19:59 ^🔗	joepie91	not at all really
19:59 ^🔗	joepie91	well
19:59 ^🔗	joepie91	not noticeably anyway
19:59 ^🔗	joepie91	they're rock solid, haven't seen any performance dips
20:00 ^🔗	ersi	oh cool
20:00 ^🔗	joepie91	hasn't changed since the move to new servers
20:00 ^🔗	joepie91	so they seem to have their stuff down well
20:00 ^🔗	ersi	what other than that is bad about openvz-installs then?
20:00 ^🔗	joepie91	no advanced iptables
20:00 ^🔗	joepie91	eg. OpenVPN/PPTP only when provider enables it manually and some will refuse to do so for security reasons
20:00 ^🔗	joepie91	no custom kernel
20:00 ^🔗	joepie91	most WAFs/IDSes will not work correctly
20:01 ^🔗	ersi	Hmm, well. As long as the basic iptables work~ so one could DROP a few things
20:01 ^🔗	joepie91	that works fine
20:01 ^🔗	joepie91	also, IPv6 range allocations won't work
20:01 ^🔗	joepie91	(afaik, though that may have changed)
20:01 ^🔗	ersi	Any particular WAFs/IDSes you've noticed to not work?
20:01 ^🔗	joepie91	as in, you can only assign separate IPv6es
20:01 ^🔗	joepie91	not really, but most rely on packet capture which can be iffy on openVZ or custom advanced iptables rules
20:01 ^🔗	joepie91	or other kernel magicks
20:02 ^🔗	joepie91	tl;dr maybe they work, but don't have high hopes
20:02 ^🔗	ersi	Do you usually have the need to run custom kernels?
20:02 ^🔗	joepie91	oh, ersi: also no possibility for FDE
20:03 ^🔗	joepie91	your filesystem is virtualized
20:03 ^🔗	joepie91	so don't expect filesystem security (not that that's any better for unencrypted KVM... but still)
20:03 ^🔗	joepie91	ersi: never :P
20:03 ^🔗	ersi	FDE?
20:03 ^🔗	ersi	Oh full disk encryption
20:03 ^🔗	joepie91	I just run stock Debian stable with assorted stuff everywhere
20:03 ^🔗	joepie91	yeah
20:03 ^🔗	joepie91	basically see openVZ as a chroot on steroids
20:04 ^🔗	ersi	makes sense why it's a cheaper choice
20:04 ^🔗	joepie91	with (generally) secure isolation
20:04 ^🔗	joepie91	yep, you can oversell + overhead is lower
20:04 ^🔗	joepie91	for 99% of usecases, openvz is fine
20:05 ^🔗	joepie91	also, openvz is not great at lots and lots of open connections
20:05 ^🔗	joepie91	normal usage will be fine, but don't expect to handle 20k concurrent connections without a hitch on a cheap openvz box :P
20:06 ^🔗	ersi	Well, I did want cheaper than cheap so I don't expect much in the way of quality :)
20:06 ^🔗	joepie91	then a vps-forge openvz thingie should exceed your expectations :P
20:06 ^🔗	joepie91	(fwiw, I've been using them for about 3 years now)
20:07 ^🔗	ersi	what kind of stuff do you got running there? some small-scale/low-usage personal services mostly?
20:08 ^🔗	joepie91	ersi: UnrealIRCd (favourite leaf of many users, because network basically never glitches), lighttpd+PHP+MySQL stack, Tahoe-LAFS, and some misc
20:09 ^🔗	ersi	neat :)
20:09 ^🔗	ersi	Thanks a lot for being an awesome pricefinder, hehe :)
20:09 ^🔗	joepie91	:D
20:09 ^🔗	joepie91	ersi: alternatively, it needs some work, but http://vps-list.cryto.net/
20:10 ^🔗	joepie91	it's in my to-rewrite queue
20:10 ^🔗	joepie91	and for BTC, http://cryto.net/~joepie91/bitcoinvps.html
20:10 ^🔗	ersi	Hm~ I do have some BTC laying about~
20:11 ^🔗	schbirid	me too, 0.0001 of them
20:12 ^🔗	joepie91	anyway, vps-forge is in my top 3 provider list along with ramhost and ramnode, but the latter two are US-based
20:13 ^🔗	ersi	they should give you a referral bonus :)
20:13 ^🔗	joepie91	lol
20:13 ^🔗	joepie91	they are going to do a referal system apparently
20:13 ^🔗	joepie91	but I don't like those
20:13 ^🔗	ersi	aka crazy sales department
20:13 ^🔗	ersi	people pushing hard for the referral etc
20:13 ^🔗	joepie91	tends to result in spam and blah
20:14 ^🔗	joepie91	and general misleading-ness
20:15 ^🔗	ersi	yea
20:15 ^🔗	ersi	wut! they even got the cheaper price if you pre-pay :D
20:15 ^🔗	ersi	4.5$/mo!
20:15 ^🔗	joepie91	oh, quite possibly
20:15 ^🔗	*	joepie91 has everything on monthly where possible
20:16 ^🔗	ersi	6 Months price = 4.75$/mo. 12 Months price = 4.5$/mo
20:16 ^🔗	ersi	but yeah, monthly is nice in it's own
20:31 ^🔗	SketchCow	I am occasionally really wrapped up in things, but I do keep track of archive team members. Some, after all, feel free to speak for the team to press or otherwise make choices. I like to understand things.
20:31 ^🔗	SketchCow	And arkver does the job. He gets it done.
20:32 ^🔗	SketchCow	You, antomatic, get cold feet.
20:32 ^🔗	antomatic	Personal opinion, nothing more.
20:32 ^🔗	ersi	Doing (Read: archiving/saving) > Talking about if people are hurt when they burn down a library or a piece of culture
20:32 ^🔗	SketchCow	Now, you put in work, so you're not like that idiot we banned who comes back with the Golden Statue Rant of Jesus and God every 8 days when another college rejection letter shows up.
20:32 ^🔗	ersi	IMO It's worth it that some get butthurt
20:33 ^🔗	SketchCow	But I don't really agree with you and I know that, in the darkest trench, you do not have my back.
20:33 ^🔗	SketchCow	Which is fine, it's when someone says they do, and they don't, that there's a problem.
20:33 ^🔗	SketchCow	Someone who runs when the blood runs is still someone who can keep track of the light tasks.
20:33 ^🔗	antomatic	I don't know if I'd agree with that. But most people do appreciate another perspective.
20:33 ^🔗	SketchCow	I dare you to be offended that I'm saying an untruth.
20:34 ^🔗	antomatic	Ultimately I never say "Let's not archive this", I do sometimes say "Um, guys, is it really the best way to squander what limited time we have bruteforcing 100 duplicates of the same thing and 400 million 404s?"
20:34 ^🔗	antomatic	I don't consider that unreasonable.
20:35 ^🔗	ersi	After ten times on the same project, it's unreasonable though.
20:35 ^🔗	ersi	:)
20:35 ^🔗	antomatic	And your point was well made, ersi, and I did indeed shut up as I promised to.
20:35 ^🔗	ersi	True!
20:35 ^🔗	SketchCow	antomatic: http://wondermark.com/c/2014-09-19-1062sea.png
20:36 ^🔗	antomatic	I disagree only when I see an opportunity to do things /even more better/ - faster, harder, stronger, more often.
20:36 ^🔗	antomatic	Or at least I'd like to think so.
20:36 ^🔗	ersi	SketchCow: haha
20:36 ^🔗	antomatic	You're sitting there going "wah, FOS takes 3 years to copy these billions of small files", and I kind of saw that coming.
20:37 ^🔗	antomatic	But I said my bit and we each live with the decisions we make.
20:37 ^🔗	antomatic	No drama.
20:37 ^🔗	antomatic	Just opinion.
20:37 ^🔗	antomatic	I like sea lions. :)
20:37 ^🔗	SketchCow	I wish you could listen to yourself.
20:38 ^🔗	SketchCow	Then I could pair you two off while I got shit done.
20:38 ^🔗	chronomex	hahaha
20:38 ^🔗	schbirid	any germans here? does quake.de need an Impressum? it is a purely non-commercial community site but apparently some fucking abmahnanwalt sent the host a complaint
20:38 ^🔗	SketchCow	I'm sitting on a second machine to accompany FOS. When my time is truly lost, I could spin it up.
20:38 ^🔗	antomatic	I like the sound of my own voice. But seriously, not a criticism at all, honestly.
20:39 ^🔗	SketchCow	Welcome to Archive Team: ARE THERE ANY GERMANS HERE
20:39 ^🔗	schbirid	yes me!
20:39 ^🔗	schbirid	D:<
20:39 ^🔗	Smiley	D:
20:40 ^🔗	Smiley	so.... I'm down to bogie manor so far
20:40 ^🔗	*	Smiley realises that's still B's and starts to cry
20:40 ^🔗	SketchCow	For the record, today is "Add metadata descriptions to every collection on archive.org I control"
20:41 ^🔗	SketchCow	So that has my attention. Throwing a couple basketballs off Ello Guy's face was just a bonus.
20:41 ^🔗	chronomex	for the record, there's an eclipse this afternoon if you're in west or central USA
20:45 ^🔗	Smiley	for the record, todays record is never gonna give you up
20:46 ^🔗	ersi	schbirid: Ich bin ein Stapelfahrer
20:47 ^🔗	ersi	Staplerfahrer
20:47 ^🔗	chronomex	lol
20:55 ^🔗	joepie91	[22:38] <schbirid> any germans here? does quake.de need an Impressum? it is a purely non-commercial community site but apparently some fucking abmahnanwalt sent the host a complaint
20:55 ^🔗	joepie91	yes
20:55 ^🔗	joepie91	it does
20:55 ^🔗	joepie91	afaik every single german thing needs an impressum or otherwise contact details of the "publisher"
20:56 ^🔗	joepie91	because stupid publisher law carried over to the interwebs and nobody bothered to change it, apparently
20:56 ^🔗	joepie91	(not German, but read into that stuff)
21:01 ^🔗	aaaaaaaaa	http://fortune.com/2014/10/22/a-piece-of-apple-history-sells-for-900000/
21:25 ^🔗	ersi	joepie91: Same thing for Sweden basically
21:25 ^🔗	ersi	You need to register a Responsible Publisher/Editor thing
21:26 ^🔗	ersi	at least if you want your site/publication to be protected under newspapery laws
21:26 ^🔗	joepie91	ersi: I think it's just required for publishing in DE in general
21:26 ^🔗	ersi	It is in Sweden as well
21:26 ^🔗	ersi	For publishing, you have to have that
21:26 ^🔗	ersi	for websites, you don't - unless you want it
21:38 ^🔗	joepie91	ersi: problem is that a website is considered "publishing" in DE :)
21:39 ^🔗	joepie91	ersi: also, oldnet would be a nice way of saying it
21:39 ^🔗	joepie91	more like StoneAgeNet
21:39 ^🔗	joepie91	aaaaaaaaa: approximately arkiver? :P
21:39 ^🔗	aaaaaaaaa	oh sorry wrong hat on, you programmers use !
21:40 ^🔗	joepie91	hehe
21:43 ^🔗	antomatic	at least I'm not offended yet. :)
22:02 ^🔗	schbirid	joepie91: no, the law is mostly about commercial entities/interests
22:05 ^🔗	schbirid	nighttime!

irclogger-viewer