#archiveteam-bs 2015-01-13,Tue

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19:10 🔗 joepie91 .t https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8881841
19:10 🔗 joepie91 oh right
19:10 🔗 joepie91 .title https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8881841
19:10 🔗 botpie91 joepie91: The EU may have just banned the anonymous sale of online goods and services | Hacker News
19:12 🔗 xmc i continue to wonder why people choose to live there, but i wonder the same thing about every part of the world from time to time
19:13 🔗 joepie91 It's All Fucked
19:13 🔗 xmc bingo
19:14 🔗 schbirid joepie91: wat, do you have something to hide?
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19:14 🔗 joepie91 you have no idea how much I hope that some lawyer is going to waltz in and go "no you're wrong because X and Y"
19:14 🔗 joepie91 because I seriously don't want this to be true
19:14 🔗 joepie91 :|
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19:31 🔗 aaaaaaaaa joepie91: fyi, electronic services are defined here
19:31 🔗 aaaaaaaaa http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2011:077:0001:0022:EN:PDF
19:33 🔗 joepie91 aaaaaaaaa: yes, but read the document I linked
19:33 🔗 joepie91 it states that the definition is unclear/incomplete
19:33 🔗 joepie91 and it requires redefinition
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19:33 🔗 joepie91 afaik the document I linked was drafted *after* 2011
19:33 🔗 joepie91 so I can't assume that that definition is correct anymore
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19:35 🔗 aaaaaaaaa section three incorporated through reference
19:36 🔗 aaaaaaaaa wait wrong section, I was in findings
19:40 🔗 aaaaaaaaa apologies, I can't be of more help until it is engrossed. Too much to keep track of.
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19:47 🔗 aaaaaaaaa http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/resources/documents/taxation/vat/how_vat_works/telecom/explanatory_notes_2015_en.pdf may be helpful as it is in better english
19:47 🔗 aaaaaaaaa maybe section 1.2 or 1.3
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22:10 🔗 arkiver 10964 hours of radio uploaded now
22:11 🔗 joepie91 arkiver: you're on a roll :P
22:11 🔗 deathy joepie91: so more companies having your data, forced to keep them for 10 years even though they don't have the security/systems for it, etc.
22:11 🔗 kyan Radio: https://weru.org/ deletes their recordings of some shows after 2 weeks
22:11 🔗 joepie91 deathy: yes
22:12 🔗 joepie91 in fact, "having anonymous customers" becomes effectively impossible
22:12 🔗 arkiver joepie91: yep :) All of 2011 is done, 2012 will be done soon
22:13 🔗 deathy I think it may be more effective to argue for possible privacy issues and forcing businesses to have a bigger accounting overhead
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22:13 🔗 joepie91 deathy: feel free to do so
22:13 🔗 deathy not sure how much impact consumers have. But show it's bad for privacy and business ovehead..different players
22:13 🔗 joepie91 :)
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