[00:02] *** achip has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [00:16] SketchCow: looks like hank moved 3 g4video-web videos to bigthinkers [00:17] example: https://archive.org/details/g4tv.com-video3659 [00:17] they should stay in the g4video-web collection [00:17] the big thinkers collections is for full episodes only [00:19] *** Start has joined #archiveteam-bs [00:25] also this episode is not found in search for some reason: https://archive.org/details/Big_Thinkers_-_Robert_Langer_Biomedical_Engineer [01:15] *** dashcloud has quit IRC (No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) [01:19] *** dashcloud has joined #archiveteam-bs [01:21] *** achip has joined #archiveteam-bs [01:22] *** achip has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [01:26] *** yan has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [01:37] *** dashcloud has quit IRC (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.) 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[02:44] *** underscor has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 370 seconds) [02:45] *** underscor has joined #archiveteam-bs [02:47] *** Sellyme_ has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [02:47] *** achip has joined #archiveteam-bs [02:48] *** Sellyme has joined #archiveteam-bs [02:49] *** garyrh_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [03:12] *** BiggieJon has joined #archiveteam-bs [03:17] *** BiggieJo1 has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [03:29] this is an amazing article on how deep compatibility runs on Mac: http://blog.steventroughtonsmith.com/post/109040361205/mpw-carbon-and-building-classic-mac-os-apps-in-os [03:30] I'm a bit upset that they finally did away with Classic. [03:30] But, haaah. [03:32] That's at least as impressive as Windows' API compat. [03:34] it may actually be even more impressive- he was able to build an app from the same source file that can run on pretty much every Mac version ever [03:35] The same is true of Windows. [03:35] Assuming you're careful, Win16 and Win32 are nigh-identical API-wise assuming you don't use Win32-only APIs. [03:36] Not to mention that Windows 1.0 binaries still work on 32-bit Windows 8. :) [03:37] I had no idea of that either [03:38] Though obviously it's not quite as good on Linux, source API compat is pretty decent all around there. [03:38] And if you just install the a.out libc, you can run binaries from '95. Like Netscape 1. [03:39] now I'm wondering if (a) there's a Debian package for that, (b) if installing it will trigger some crazyass dependency chain that will result in the eradication of all packages [03:40] There isn't really, but there's old RPMs you can certainly unpack and install manually. [03:40] Alas. The kernel's ABI compat is spectacular but the userspace's is practically nil. [03:41] The main weird thing is you're going to need to make sure your kernel has the a.out binfmt built for it. [03:41] (it's off by default but *most* distros have the module around) [03:43] Also, old X apps build just fine in general. [03:43] Always fun grabbing some of the really old IOCCC programs and watch 'em just work. [03:44] you do that while I futz with a three-month-old Rails app and wonder why the fuck it doesn't boot anymore [03:44] while crying [03:44] :) [03:44] Some days I feel smug for writing in C a lot. [03:45] ... and then I try and write something that works on Windows and Linux, and join you in crying. [03:48] pikhq: I have actually had pretty good luck with Windows cross-compilation using MXE [03:48] The problem is that you have to sacrifice one way or another to get it to work. [03:48] yeah I made several human sacrifices [03:48] but it works pretty well afterwards [03:49] Either you give up the sanity of the source code or using Unicode in Windows. [03:49] (... *ooor* you give up both, as is likely the case as well.) [03:49] no library for that? [03:49] Windows doesn't do Unicode in char* strings. [03:50] Which means literally the only way to get Unicode out of it is to use Windows-specific API functions. [03:50] I let std::codecvt handle most of it [03:50] I mean, sure, there's numerous libraries of varying degrees of crap to do that for you, but this is what I mean when I say "give up the sanity of the source code". :) [03:50] but then again that's C++ [03:51] thank you for reminding me why i use higher level languages [03:51] that or use Qt and let it handle all the stuff that I don't want to bother with [03:51] :P [03:51] That also doesn't help you, because your basic common strings from, say, a dir listing via opendir, aren't in Unicode! [03:51] There's in a legacy charset. [03:52] Because Microsoft hates you and wishes to perpetuate the evils that is not-UTF-8. [03:52] *** achip has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [03:52] encode strings in arrays of 16 bit objects? [03:52] I haven't had to deal with that particular problem directly just yet [03:52] *** achip has joined #archiveteam-bs [03:52] Yeah, but then you can't use the standard interfaces (reasonably). [03:53] the thing I'm cross-compiling uses physicsfs for file access, which expects UTF-8 everywhere [03:53] so it's not really been an issue [03:53] provided that the search paths are correctly normalized [03:53] Because on not-Windows, the interfaces for getting Unicode strings are the normal ones that uses char* strings. [03:53] And the UTF-16 interfaces mostly don't exist. [03:54] can we just invade the MS campus and flay them until they fix it? [03:54] I've been proposing it. [03:54] Indeed I proposed just this a couple hours ago. [03:54] They at least finally caught up to implementing (portions of) C99. [03:56] But yeah... Microsoft's painful C environment makes writing C at least 10 times worse than it already is. [03:56] #ifdef _WIN32 #else #endif *sigh* [03:56] what if we all just replace windows with a linux distro hacked to provide the MS apis? [03:58] libwine? [03:58] (yes, this is a thing. If you don't mind it looking not-native you can just build Windows apps for Linux by depending on libwine.) [03:59] I still like the invasion plan [03:59] Oh, sure. [04:08] better watch out. If they manage to win that battle, they'll torture you until you use the ribbon and metro interfaces everywhere. [04:09] *** achip has quit IRC () [04:12] "It looks like you're trying to invade Microsoft." 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[14:59] not yet [14:59] still at work atm [14:59] also is there anything someone with a capped internet connection can do to help you guys? [15:00] always [16:46] *** logchfoo starts logging #archiveteam-bs at Tue Jan 27 16:46:03 2015 [16:46] *** logchfoo has joined #archiveteam-bs [17:00] heh [17:00] there's nothing like looking through old hardware rumors: http://www.joystiq.com/2004/09/10/xbox-2-design-pics-leaked/ [17:00] *** Start is now known as StartAway [17:12] *** mistym has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [17:12] *** mistym has joined #archiveteam-bs [17:14] *** xtr-201 has joined #archiveteam-bs [17:15] *** mistym has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [17:17] so i found this site: wow.joystiq.com [17:18] and http://massively.joystiq.com/ [17:19] godane: use site: to find subdomains [17:20] google: site:joystiq.com -site:www.joystiq.com [17:20] etc [17:20] (that tip should *probably* be on the wiki) [17:25] i'm grabbing the Masssively Speaking Podcast [17:28] godane: if you google like that you'll get subdomains [17:28] then keep adding -site: terms to eliminate subdomains [17:29] that way you can get most subdomains [17:31] *** mistym has joined #archiveteam-bs [17:32] *** dashcloud has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) [17:34] *** dashcloud has joined #archiveteam-bs [17:46] "Donate $25 and you will get: * Copyright link removal" wait, um, that sounds illegal.... seems this wordpress theme developer is trying some funny business? http://www.cryoutcreations.eu/forums/f/wordpress/nirvana [17:48] Oh, they mean they'll let you remove the attribution link in the footer. LOL [17:53] *** StartAway is now known as Start [17:56] *** Start is now known as StartAway [18:08] *** primus104 has joined #archiveteam-bs [18:16] *** aaaaaaaaa has joined #archiveteam-bs [18:17] *** ohhdemgir has joined #archiveteam-bs [18:19] Right [18:19] They all do that [18:27] lol, the vivaldi gui is so terrible [18:27] midas: jamming jamming [18:57] *** useretail has joined #archiveteam-bs [19:01] http://starfrosch.ch/hot-100/ is utterly awesome [19:13] *** StartAway is now known as Start [19:39] Are all major exploits going to have cool names now? Now everybody has to be afraid of GHOST, although I suppose that is scarier sounding than POODLE. [19:41] GHOSTPOODLEHEART [19:42] ghostpoodleheartbeast [19:42] ghostpoodleheartbeastcrime [19:43] ghostpoodleheartbeastcrimebreach [19:43] i'll stop [19:43] i [19:44] i'd name an exploit i find aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa [19:44] or FUCKTABLOIDS [19:47] *** atlogbot has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [19:47] *** swebb has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [20:05] WHO YOU GONNA CALL [20:05] GHOSTBUSTERS [20:05] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PmHRSeA2c8#t=14m44s haha [20:21] *** atlogbot has joined #archiveteam-bs [20:22] *** swebb has joined #archiveteam-bs [20:37] *** BlueMaxim has joined #archiveteam-bs [20:43] i am still watching that, its fun [20:52] *** Jonimus has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [21:02] *** Nertsy has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [21:03] *** Start has quit IRC (hub.dk irc.underworld.no) [21:03] *** wm_ has quit IRC (hub.dk irc.underworld.no) [21:03] *** Atluxity has quit IRC (hub.dk irc.underworld.no) [21:03] *** Kirk has quit IRC (hub.dk irc.underworld.no) [21:03] *** raylee has quit IRC (hub.dk irc.underworld.no) [21:04] *** Start_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [21:04] *** Nertsy has joined #archiveteam-bs [21:04] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6S3XibYYjQ#t=318 [21:17] *** wm_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [21:17] *** Kirk has joined #archiveteam-bs [21:17] *** raylee has joined #archiveteam-bs [21:25] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak8avdFoDik [21:32] *** Start_ is now known as Start [21:50] *** schbirid has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [21:56] *** sankin has quit IRC (Leaving.) 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