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http://motherboard.vice.com/read/inside-britains-new-national-videogame-arcade |
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kyan |
Just watched SketchCow's talk "From COLO to YOLO: Confessions of the Angriest Archivist". It was amazing, made me laugh several times and left me smiling at the end. Highly recommended, for what it's worth. http://devslovebacon.com/conferences/bacon-2014/talks/from-colo-to-yolo-confessions-of-the-angriest-archivist |
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kyan |
Is the spam filter on the wiki ever going to get fixed? It has'nt been letting me add this page i want to for a long time now: "The following text is what triggered our spam filter: .ru " |
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chfoo |
i usually just put <nowiki></nowiki> around the links that trigger it. |
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kyan |
Ok, thanks. |
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kyan |
Idea: bug tracker for archiveteam, where things that should be archived are added as issues — e.g. last.fm would be a critical bug, random opendirectories I want to save would be uncritical bugs |
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04:18
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kyan |
when issues get closed, add a link to the finished archive. Thus all the sites and archival results could be in one place, and reports could be generated |
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04:18
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kyan |
e.g. choose bugs with the "ftp" tag and status = open to get a list of all of the FTPs that haven't been grabbed yet, or status=closed to get a list of available ftp archives |
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yipdw |
make a git-annex repo for all collections, use github issues |
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kyan |
<nowiki> tags aren't working for me, i must be doing something wrong... pastebinning it instead. http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Smcs93jM Thanks anyway! :) |
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yipdw |
solve n problems with one stone |
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chfoo |
kyan: the <nowiki> should be right around the link (no spaces) |
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kyan |
Aah. I see, thanks. :) |
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kyan |
Sorry to bother! |
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kyan |
Still no go... Oh well, I give up. I'll keep on using my web host for it :P Thanks though! |
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chfoo |
about the bug tracker idea, i had a chat with arkiver who proposed the same idea. my complaint is that it would be difficult to make people use it and i suggested using the wiki for the time being. i ended up shoving two tables into a single page: http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Miscellaneous_Projects |
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chfoo |
doesn't seem to be well updated :) |
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chfoo |
it's not that it is a bad idea. it's just people forget about it |
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kyan |
Is it linked from somewhere prominent? I don't think I've ever seen that before. Also no offense but it's, um, fairly hard to read |
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kyan |
I'll see if I can cook something up |
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chfoo |
it was at the top of Deathwatch and Healthy Sites |
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kyan |
Oh, cool |
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kyan |
huh |
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kyan |
Oh well then. |
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chfoo |
we have this https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/things-to-do/issues though |
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kyan |
I don't know, I just can't wrap my head around mediawiki's table syntax :P |
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kyan |
Ah, nice! |
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kyan |
That looks easier to use |
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chfoo |
but as you can see, even i forgot about it |
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kyan |
Oh god. I must be stupid... I can't figure out this interface either. Oh well, just take me out back and shoot me |
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chfoo |
maybe someone should write a bug tracker except it works on irc :) |
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yipdw |
!open Shit don't work |
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garyrh |
!close works for me |
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S[h]O[r]T |
everyone rememebers to use the wiki but no one maintains the software |
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S[h]O[r]T |
maybe thats just a problem of access to those who want and can fix it |
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S[h]O[r]T |
its been broken for at least 2y in many ways |
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SketchCow |
:) |
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SketchCow |
I maintain it. |
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SketchCow |
I just do it poorly! |
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SketchCow |
Single Jason of Failure |
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kyan |
What about a spreadsheet-y thing? I made an example of what I imagine would be easyish to use: http://futuramerlin.com/ember-folder-created-2015mar29a30/ember.php?action=showArchivalProjectsTable&table=archives |
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Ctrl-S |
Could this raise be caught without using a catchall handler? http://pastebin.com/5T5zAbQL |
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yipdw |
there's no catch-all handler in there |
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yipdw |
error is a symbol for some error object, probably socket.error from context |
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Ctrl-S |
it just uses raise |
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yipdw |
that re-raises the caught error |
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yipdw |
https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/errors.html |
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Ctrl-S |
okay, thanks |
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yipdw |
also if that's your code |
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yipdw |
please reconsider using recv |
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yipdw |
the socket interface is pretty tedious and low-level |
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Ctrl-S |
that's socket.py |
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Ctrl-S |
i'm using urllib2.urlopen(url) |
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Ctrl-S |
the code i linked is socket.py as i got it when i installed python |
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S[h]O[r]T |
kyan, watching that talk now. i love the that tabblo story, about the guys house burning down. the irony is great. also sad to say i didnt know wtf tabblo meant either |
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kyan |
Heh me neither |
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kyan |
I f*cking HATE Wix websites. They don't work at all in my browser unless I turn on javascript. Aaargh. </rant> |
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godane |
i'm starting to upload my kbsworld and kbskorea web archives of there forums |
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Ctrl-S |
anyone interested in a python thingumy to dump a tumblr blog to a DB, similar to asagi? |
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godane |
i'm uploading Disney Adventures Magazine Issue 0 |
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godane |
https://archive.org/details/Disney_Adventures_Magazine_0_Fall_1990 |
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joepie91_ |
kyan: wix is... well, let's just say I'd like freewebs back, please |
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joepie91_ |
kyan: chfoo: the current table on "misc projects" is broken |
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joepie91_ |
unless we did indeed download the "website, dev and blog subdomains" of "archivebot" |
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and various forums, websites, and skins/plugins exist in the winamp warcs |
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joepie91_ |
and both close on "Saved" |
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joepie91_ |
SketchCow: what are you schemeing? :p |
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joepie91_ |
(re: 500GB tweet) |
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joepie91_ |
IA.BAK? |
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SketchCow |
Yes, I want people not us. |
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SketchCow |
1. Sick of all you dopes |
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SketchCow |
2. Don't want the person biased by years of dealing |
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SketchCow |
I want to see what people just wandering in respond to |
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joepie91_ |
fair |
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Smiley |
you still want 500Gb? |
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Smiley |
Oh :D |
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* |
Smiley goes back to sleep |
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joepie91_ |
.tw https://www.dailydot.com/crime/carl-force-silk-road-murder-for-hire/ |
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botpie91 |
joepie91_: Give me a link, a username, or a tweet id |
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joepie91_ |
argh |
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joepie91_ |
.title https://www.dailydot.com/crime/carl-force-silk-road-murder-for-hire/ |
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botpie91 |
joepie91_: DEA agent arrested for stealing Silk Road bitcoins also orchestrated murder-for-hire scheme |
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kyan |
...I go to watch the "Jason Scott at Digikult 2015" talk on Youtube. In the suggested videos column shows up: "Recommended for you": "Top 10 Best Incest Anime EVER HD". I take issue with what Youtube thinks I want to watch :-S |
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antomatic |
That's right, kyan, it should never recommend a video you've already watched. :) |
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Smiley |
:D |
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joepie91_ |
kyan: link |
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joepie91_ |
(to Jason Scott talk, not incest) |
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kyan |
joepie91_, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L1EIUIjBfk |
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joepie91_ |
danke |
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kyan |
np |
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kyan |
So tantalizing and frustrating to have this book listed in IA, only to click on the download link and get "This item is not available due to issues with the item's content". Meh. https://archive.org/details/lionclaw00nanc |
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kyan |
They should have it available to download, I think, with a requirement that you swear you own the book so it's not a copyright issue |
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DFJustin |
and will delete it after 24 hours |
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joepie91_ |
lol |
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joepie91_ |
I really wonder where that myth originates from |
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kyan |
why? I have a copy of the print book, so why shouldn't I have a backup? |
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19:12
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antomatic |
like all those people up put full tv episodes on YouTube and put a block of text about 'Section 107 allows fair uuuuuseeeee!!!!' in the description. :) |
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schbirid |
no copyright intented! |
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schbirid |
honest! |
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antomatic |
"all copyrights to the owners" |
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kyan |
if someone already owns the print copy... oh well, whatever. I'll just end up scanning my own copy |
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kyan |
which feels kind of pointless, in light of the fact that it's already been done. I have the same quarrel with Google Books, I recently put in several hours digitizing a book that Google wouldn't let me have. Admittedly my results were probably better than google's, but whatever. |
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antomatic |
My right arm for a simple, affordable and good book scanner |
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19:15
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kyan |
I think it would make much more sense to have all public data be open access, and have it be funded through raising money beforehand like a kickstarter kind of thing |
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antomatic |
Although then I'd have to right arm so would not be able to operate it, so scratch that |
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antomatic |
*have no |
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antomatic |
i like that idea, kyan |
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kyan |
I just use a point-and-shoot digital camera on a tripod. It works, albeit slowly and with a back ache the next day |
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joepie91_ |
[21:11] <kyan> why? I have a copy of the print book, so why shouldn't I have a backup? |
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joepie91_ |
ask that the copyright lobby |
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antomatic |
All copyrighted works get made once enough people say "I'll pay for that", then once made, it's free for everyone else |
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schbirid |
i am currently browsing for a nice ereader |
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antomatic |
I do like that idea. |
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joepie91_ |
kyan: we're now paying a 'compensation' in NL to be 'allowed' to transfer media to a different medium |
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joepie91_ |
so yeah, if you ever thought copyright made sense.. |
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schbirid |
ha, we have that too in germa |
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schbirid |
ny |
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kyan |
That makes no sense to me. Without knowing more, all i can say is 🖕 fuck it 🖕. |
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joepie91_ |
kyan: it doesn't make sense |
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antomatic |
copyright = "the right of large companies to invent new ways to get paid all the time" |
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joepie91_ |
it's just copyright lobby trying to squeeze maximum amounts of money frm you |
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antomatic nods |
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joepie91_ |
"want it on a different medium? pay again!" |
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antomatic |
fuck copyright |
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schbirid |
oh god, my ebooks/ is ~3 times bigger than i thought. gotta check for dupes :( |
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joepie91_ |
copyright is utter bullshit, does not serve Its original purpose |
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joepie91_ |
it is a failed experiment, and needs to go |
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antomatic |
If everyone just /ignored/ copyright and read/listened to/watched only CC0 works, the whole problem would solve itself within months |
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joepie91_ |
but people won't - they'll just pretend that everything is licensed under CC0 instead ;) |
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joepie91_ |
(which is a perfectly reasonable thing to do, imo) |
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antomatic |
It only needs a critical mass of people to say "actually, this music/book/movie being copyrighted REDUCES its value to me", and back that stance up by leaving their wallet at home... |
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schbirid |
think of the poor artists who have to sob all day instead of having a job |
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antomatic |
artists will be fine once they realise that you don't have to go through an industry to reach an audience |
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kyan |
That's why we need something like kickstarter for it. I love how copyright enables high quality artworks to be created. |
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antomatic |
the industry screws artists just as hard as regular folks, so there's good reason for them to give it up too |
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joepie91_ |
"I love how copyright enables high quality artworks to be created." |
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joepie91_ |
[citation needed] |
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antomatic |
"Star Wars... oh yeah, unfortunately that movie didn't actually make any money, so no royalties for you." |
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kyan |
Without some other way of funding artwork production, copyright does a decent job, at the cost of restricting its later utility |
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antomatic |
"Seven album contract with balloon payout once advances are recouped.." |
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joepie91_ |
kyan: again, citation needed |
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joepie91_ |
I know that this is a popular opinion, but I have yet to see evidence that copyright in any way positive contributes to the viability of creative arts |
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joepie91_ |
actual, real-world evidence |
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joepie91_ |
not just theory |
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joepie91_ |
I've been asking people for years, and I've not gotten any |
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kyan |
I draw that conclusion based on my observation that copyrighted music and movies are generally created with higher quality than those that aren't |
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kyan: which is fundamentally flawed and biased |
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joepie91_ |
and therefore not viable evidence |
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joepie91_ |
it's a viewpoint of a single person or very limited group of people, made aware of a tiny subset of human culture |
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with no assurances for a neutral view |
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kyan |
It's my opinion, not a cold hard fact |
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joepie91_ |
exactly |
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and that is not real-world evidence |
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antomatic |
Visit YouTube, type any particular subject or theme that interests you, select 'Filters', 'Creative Commons'. Enjoy. |
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joepie91_ |
so let's not make factual statements based on unproven opinions, k? |
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xmc |
oh god |
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kyan |
Are you giving me attitude? You wanna take this outside? |
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xmc |
scroll scroll scroll |
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kyan |
XD |
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antomatic |
Lads, lads, leave it, it ain't worth it! |
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antomatic |
Much like copyrighted media. |
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antomatic |
(Yay, ontopic.) :) |
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kyan |
oh well, I gotta go eat before class :) bye for now |
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joepie91_ , in the meantime, points kyan at the considerable list of documented evidence of copyright getting in the way of the creative arts due to prevention of reuse |
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xmc |
what is the essence of your disagreement in one line? i don't want to read all these words |
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kyan |
Ok, ok, fair enough... |
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joepie91_ |
xmc: kyan says copyrights supports high quality art creation, I disagree, ask for real-world evidence of that assertion, kyan cannot provide any |
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that's the tl;dr |
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xmc |
ok |
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xmc |
sometimes i wish you would be less shrill, joepie91_ |
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antomatic |
could we accept that high quality art will be created regardless, and that while some is copyright-supported, that is not a neceessary precondition for the creation? |
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antomatic |
because if so, everyone agrees. |
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antomatic |
peace, love & understanding |
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joepie91_ |
xmc: sometimes I wish that I wouldn't need to be ;) |
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xmc |
antomatic: that sounds reasonable to me |
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kyan |
Ok, how about this: of the movies that have made the most money, most of them are not crowdfunded free content, but are rather sold as commodities. |
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joepie91_ |
antomatic: agreed. |
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kyan: from what I've seen, yes. |
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kyan |
So, copyright is "working", or at least is the status quo for supporting artists. |
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joepie91_ |
and that's where the reasoning breaks down. |
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joepie91_ |
one in no way proves the other |
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xmc |
this whole conversation feels offtopic even for this channel |
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joepie91_ |
yes hello everybody |
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joepie91_ |
puu.sh got pwnt |
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joepie91_ |
if you use puu.sh, you probably have malware on your system now |
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joepie91_ |
https://twitter.com/puushme |
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xmc |
sweet |
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balrog |
ouch |
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aaaaaaaaa |
well, according to an article I read, that means they've officially made it to the big time |
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joepie91_ |
lol |
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midas |
aaaaaaaaa: not yet, they should deny that they got hacked first, or is that NSA only? |
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yipdw |
puu.sh/malware |
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yipdw |
I like it when company names are pun-ready |
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joepie91_ |
lol |
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joepie91_ |
is that the new HD Ready |
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yipdw |
yeah |
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yipdw |
they're flickring out of existence |
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johtso |
"i needed to escalate to an engineer to get an explanation. there is a bug that needs to be resolved. please be patient and your item will be accessible when th ebug is fixed. in the meantime you should avoid starting anymore tasks for this item. and in the future it's wise not to use edititem while tasks are inflight or queued." |
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johtso |
:( |
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yipdw |
sounds reasonable |
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yipdw |
"please stop poking it, we're fixing it" |
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johtso |
yep, just need to reign in the urge to ARCHIVE EVERYTHING NOW |
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xmc |
*rein |
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johtso |
oops, need to rein in my careless typing |
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whats the expected life cycle of solar panels? |
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SketchCow |
http://energyinformative.org/lifespan-solar-panels/ |
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kyan |
OpenLibrary's list of "Other Countries" has some problems... Australia, China, Columbia, Czech republic, GUATEMALA, India, Saudi Arabia, The Netherlands, United Kingdom, United States of American, http://www.onslowcountync.gov/library/ |
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kyan |
Their list of Canadian provinces has problems, too, with separate entries for the abbreviated names (eg. "ON") and the full names (eg. "Ontario"). |
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joepie91_ |
SketchCow: fired you an email in case you care about spams |
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