[00:05] *** wtron has quit IRC (http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) [00:08] yep [00:13] *** useretail has joined #archiveteam-bs [00:14] *** mistym_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [00:19] *** mistym has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [00:31] *** primus104 has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [00:31] *** Ara_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [00:36] *** primus104 has joined #archiveteam-bs [00:40] *** primus104 has quit IRC (Client Quit) [01:29] *** schbirid has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [01:29] *** schbirid has joined #archiveteam-bs [02:11] *** RichardG has quit IRC (Keyboard not found, press F1 to continue) [02:25] well that's disappointing -- Oracle doesn't offer VirtualBox on Oracle Solaris [02:26] or maybe they do and I haven't enabled the $10,000/download repo [02:28] oh no, they do, it's just not packaged [02:28] odd [02:32] *** mistym_ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [02:33] *** mistym has joined #archiveteam-bs [02:38] Pssst, Oracle is working to kill the parts of it that is Sun [02:39] yes but I made the mistake of building my storage array on Solaris [02:39] and I looked at what it would take to migrate it to FreeBSD and said fuckit [02:40] at least for now, maybe when I get really really bored I'll look at it again [03:03] *** chazchaz_ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [03:06] *** chazchaz_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [03:08] *** mistym has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [03:09] *** mistym has joined #archiveteam-bs [03:10] *** chazchaz_ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [03:10] I'm glad I no longer use Solaris. [03:35] *** mahadri has joined #archiveteam-bs [04:01] What's the best way to losslessly rip a video DVD? Is BIN/CUE file format suitable? [04:01] (That's the easiest for me, and I can play it easily, so I like that.) [04:03] ISO [04:04] DVDs don't have the monkey business that CDs do where you need multi tracks etc [04:04] Hmm. Ok... Is BIN/CUE bad, or just not necessary? [04:04] ISOs are annoying because they mount in the file browser instead of playing [04:05] not necessary, and for archive.org upload not derivable [04:05] Ah. Ok, hmm [04:07] As long as they don't lose data as compared to ISO, I might still use BIN/Cue and hope that IA adds support for it at a later date. Thanks for your thoughts though, I'll think about it :) [04:08] kyan: alter your system settings, take on some inconvenience to save everyone else some trouble [04:08] it's not that big of a deal to have Windows add another program for "Open With" [04:09] "many "old-timers" rightly consider BIN/CUE to be the most pure copy of a disc. On the other hand ISO only keeps the files and folders on the disc and loses much of the other information" [04:10] is that wrong? [04:10] * kyan is paranoid [04:12] it's not as dramatic as that and in any case mostly only applicable to CDs [04:12] Um, ok [04:12] Thanks! [04:12] :) [04:13] there's probably a weird example somewhere in the universe but every dvd I know of is 1 track data which means no extra data in bin/cue [04:13] so is an ISO file just the data, like the BIN file is? [04:14] (in other words, could I take an ISO file, rename it to BIN, and use it with an existing CUE file?) Or is there extra information preserved in ISO? [04:14] so it's a bit complicated because of the way CDs work [04:15] for starters, it's the other way around, BIN would be the one to have extra information if there is any [04:16] Oh, hmm [04:16] basically BIN is a copy of every sector on the CD in a "raw" format, ISO is the data in a "logical" format which is decoded so that you can see plain text in it if you open it in a hex editor etc [04:16] so I would be safest to go with BIN? [04:16] Oh! I'd definitely go for whatever is closer to the source then [04:16] for a CD or DVD which has one (data) track ISO and BIN will have the same information essentially [04:16] but BIN will take up a little bit more space [04:17] Ok. [04:17] for a CD with multiple tracks or non-data tracks, ISO can't be used and you have to use BIN [04:17] the CUE file indicates where each track begins and ends in the BIN [04:17] Ah, so it sounds like BIN is the better format for preserving things and ISO is the better format for making it useful? [04:17] you can always convert ISO from BIN if applicable [04:18] Cool. Thanks! :) [04:18] *** mistym has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [04:19] so yeah BIN is more preservation-y but the difference is so theoretical for dvds that it' [04:19] s kind of silly in my opinion [04:20] Ah, ok [04:23] *** aaaaaaaaa has quit IRC (Leaving) [04:46] *** mistym has joined #archiveteam-bs [05:38] Yep, for common data CDs there is essentially no reason to prefer bin/cue. Some stuff is either more complicated or more creative though. [05:38] * pikhq is especially reminded of games that had a CDDA soundtrack [05:59] kyan: https://github.com/joepie91/image-disc :) [06:16] SketchCow: I found another one! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9326598 [06:21] *** kyan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) [06:21] *** aschmitz has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [06:21] *** db48x has quit IRC (hub.efnet.us irc.Prison.NET) [06:21] *** zenguy_pc has quit IRC (hub.efnet.us irc.Prison.NET) [06:21] *** Kenshin has quit IRC (hub.efnet.us irc.Prison.NET) [06:21] *** torvik has quit IRC (hub.efnet.us irc.Prison.NET) [06:21] *** aschmitz has joined #archiveteam-bs [06:28] *** kyan has joined #archiveteam-bs [06:28] *** db48x has joined #archiveteam-bs [06:28] *** Kenshin has joined #archiveteam-bs [06:28] *** zenguy_pc has joined #archiveteam-bs [06:28] *** torvik has joined #archiveteam-bs [06:40] Buttercoin shutting down: https://buttercoin.com/#/goodbye [06:44] never heard of cloudercoin before. [07:00] "first you must consider and imagine an internet or world without some of the most beloved businesses in it" [07:00] SOUNDS GOOD TO ME [07:05] *** mistym has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [07:11] *** primus104 has joined #archiveteam-bs [07:46] *** monod has joined #archiveteam-bs [07:48] *** monod has quit IRC (Client Quit) [08:26] housemate has two decks and a considerable amount of weird hard-to-find vinyl [08:26] suggestions on correct archival strategy? [08:32] *** Ara_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [09:24] record them [09:27] herp derp [09:27] * joepie91_ gives midas cpt obvious hat [09:27] :P [09:27] :p [09:32] we sell a vinyl -> 3.5 audio plug device at work, just a crappy $50 thing iirc [09:32] you might be able to find a media place that could do it for you, if you don't mind paying and just want the audio from them [09:46] so i figure i will be uploading wgbh openvault [09:46] we may just have to do is make them un searchable when there put into a collection [09:47] that way i can still see the items if they need to be fixed or something [09:48] btw some items they have have video links but the videos don't exist [10:21] dan_: the goal is digitizing a crate worth of vinyl records [10:21] and there's two decks here that *could* be hooked up to 3.5 [10:21] but I'm just wondering if there's a better way [10:22] ah, in that case best of luck [10:22] >pay interns [10:22] >??? [10:22] >archive! [11:19] *** RichardG has joined #archiveteam-bs [12:26] .t https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1014006.msg10997995 [12:26] er [12:26] .title https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1014006.msg10997995 [12:27] joepie91_: Uptrenda white paper: p2p altcoin exchange - feedback requested [12:49] *** sankin has joined #archiveteam-bs [13:01] *** primus104 has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [13:04] *** primus104 has joined #archiveteam-bs [13:11] *** primus104 has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [13:14] *** primus104 has joined #archiveteam-bs [13:28] *** primus104 has quit IRC (Leaving.) [13:32] *** BlueMaxim has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [13:51] so i got Dancing Disco show from wgbh openvault [14:35] *** mistym has joined #archiveteam-bs [14:44] *** mistym has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [15:06] *** mistym has joined #archiveteam-bs [15:20] *** Mayonaise has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [15:20] *** toad1 has joined #archiveteam-bs [15:21] *** Mayonaise has joined #archiveteam-bs [15:21] *** toad has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [15:22] *** primus104 has joined #archiveteam-bs [15:27] https://news.yahoo.com/iraq-historic-christian-library-saved-militants-195911394.html [15:42] *** mistym has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [15:44] *** mistym has joined #archiveteam-bs [15:44] *** mistym has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [15:45] *** schbirid has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [15:47] *** schbirid has joined #archiveteam-bs [16:03] *** mistym has joined #archiveteam-bs [16:13] What's the preferred digest algorithm for WARCs? Is sha256 base64 accepted, or does Archive Team prefer the more common sha1 base32? [16:27] *** mistym has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [16:33] *** vitzli has joined #archiveteam-bs [16:34] if you want compatibility with other tools, you should use the same sha1 format. [16:40] *** mistym has joined #archiveteam-bs [16:40] *** aaaaaaaaa has joined #archiveteam-bs [16:51] *** vitzli has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [16:57] *** wtron has joined #archiveteam-bs [16:59] any of you guys good at using the wayback machine? [16:59] yesterday this url worked, but today it moans of a non-existent robots.txt https://web.archive.org/web/*/mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/ [17:03] ugh robots.txt ruins everything. [17:04] the wayback machine team is working on some known bugs with the robots.txt handling [17:04] hopefully it will be better soon [17:05] Ah thanks. Hopefully! :) [17:10] So a bunch of kids in New Hampshire learned how politics worked, as commented on here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiN_-AEhTpk [18:04] somehow wpull's warc is much bigger than wget's [18:23] *** wtron has quit IRC (http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) [18:31] http://lenagroeger.s3.amazonaws.com/talks/openvis-2015/openvis-loops.html [18:55] *** godane has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 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[23:28] phillipsj: I doubt you can't run a VM :) [23:29] I am running into hard RAM limits with 50 browser tabs open :P (1GB) [23:30] 1GB is more than enough for eg. a Debian VM [23:30] obviously you wouldn't have all your browser tabs open during the test migration [23:31] I guess that is my problem right there: I use the browser for reference :P [23:37] My laptop has 1GB of RAM... don't run it 24/7 since I moved IRC idling to the desktop. (running full-time now for freicoin mining) [23:41] my cellphone may have 1GB of RAM :P [23:51] *** primus104 has quit IRC (Leaving.) [23:58] i'm grabbing the Tim Ferriss show [23:59] glenn beck was on it