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00:39 🔗 wyatt8750 I wish Safari and Internet Explorer would get their shit together and support webm and/or ogg video
00:40 🔗 wyatt8750 I am highly annoyed by patents
00:40 🔗 wyatt8750 (and having to encode my video twice)
00:40 🔗 wyatt8750 I was very glad to see that cisco released its x264 library under a BSD license
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00:42 🔗 wyatt8750 it may not be as full-featured as libx264, but it's definitely a good thing to have a more 'free' library. (I like GPL, but while it may undermine the licenses' strength to say this, I think that the freedom to use a product in closed source products is an important right)
00:43 🔗 wyatt8750 That said, I would NEVER EVER write a proprietary program, especially using BSD/GPL/Public Domain/WTFPL/MIT/Whatever-I-Missed libraries
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01:32 🔗 yipdw wyatt8750: an LGPL H.264 decoder's been part of ffmpeg for a while
01:32 🔗 yipdw and the encoder's license certainly doesn't carry into generated bitstreams
01:32 🔗 wyatt8750 I am talking about encoding, but I was pretty sure a decoder existed
01:33 🔗 yipdw I mean at this point not using x264 to encode H.264 for licensing reasons is pretty silly heh
01:33 🔗 wyatt8750 I know about that, but I am talking about the freedom to make some proprietary program that encodes x264 with a free library
01:33 🔗 wyatt8750 I use x264, and I am fine with GPL for my purposes
01:33 🔗 yipdw sure, I just mean everyone else
01:33 🔗 wyatt8750 because I share any code I write
01:33 🔗 wyatt8750 but I dont like how GPL claims to be about freedom but takes away a person's right to use the code in a non-free product
01:34 🔗 wyatt8750 Since I have no reason to do such a thing, I am satisfied with GPL programs
01:34 🔗 wyatt8750 but philosophically I would never choose to write code under it
01:34 🔗 yipdw I disagree, but there's a whole minefield there and I left my metal detector at home
01:34 🔗 wyatt8750 (if it was not a pre-existing project)
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01:35 🔗 yipdw more H.264 encoding libraries is good I guess
01:35 🔗 yipdw though in terms of quality it's pretty hard to beat x264 heh
01:35 🔗 wyatt8750 Information wants to be free - and while I disapprove of proprietary programs because I like modifying them, I don't like the idea of taking a freedom in the name of freedom
01:35 🔗 wyatt8750 Yeah, I use x264 for nearly anything i encode
01:36 🔗 wyatt8750 but I really wish that webm would a) catch on and b) be faster to encode. Libvpx is terribly slow
01:37 🔗 wyatt8750 I personally am extremely happy we have projects like ffmpeg. I am just talking about a contradiction that bugs me from time to time about the GPL
01:44 🔗 yipdw yeah, it's an odd thing. I can't speak for anyone else, but I made my peace with it when I convinced myself that the GPL and the GNU manifesto are inseparable
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04:41 🔗 joepie91_ [03:33] <wyatt8750> but I dont like how GPL claims to be about freedom but takes away a person's right to use the code in a non-free product
04:41 🔗 joepie91_ ding ding ding
04:41 🔗 joepie91_ how I generally phrase it: forcing somebody to share code instead of forcing somebody *not* to share code, is still forcing somebody
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05:04 🔗 joepie91_ hm. when PUTting multiple files to S3 with auto-make-bucket, do the PUTs need to be sequential, or can they run in parallel?
05:05 🔗 joepie91_ to the same bucket, I mean - like the HTML5 uploader does when selecting multiple files
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07:24 🔗 Ctrl-S anyone have existing code for saving highest quality from http://gfycat.com/ ?
07:28 🔗 Rotab are there more than 1?
07:29 🔗 Rotab apart from gif/webm
07:29 🔗 garyrh there's also mp4.
07:40 🔗 Rotab ah, hm
07:43 🔗 Ctrl-S should i just ask youtube-dl to add the site's i want to save?
07:43 🔗 Ctrl-S and if so, how much preliminary work should i do?
07:44 🔗 Rotab youtube-dl can grab gfycat
07:44 🔗 Rotab but it seems like --format doesn twork, sou you'll get both mp4 and webm
07:44 🔗 Ctrl-S I thought otherwise, based on the supportedsites file
07:44 🔗 Ctrl-S https://github.com/rg3/youtube-dl/blob/master/docs/supportedsites.md
07:45 🔗 Ctrl-S anyone here requested functionality from them before and know what info would help get it done?
07:47 🔗 joepie91_ Ctrl-S: create an issue, give at least one example URL:
07:47 🔗 joepie91_ if they have different formats (gallery pages, upload pages, playlists, whatever) make sure to provide an example URL for each format
07:48 🔗 joepie91_ if you happen to know how to parse out the URLs, just add any info you have about it (otherwise they will figure it out)
07:48 🔗 Rotab oh wait, --format does work
07:48 🔗 joepie91_ that's more or less it
07:48 🔗 joepie91_ (this applies to scraping modules/tools in general)
07:48 🔗 Rotab youtube-dl -f webm https://gfycat.com/JadedYellowBengaltiger
07:49 🔗 Rotab or mp4
07:49 🔗 Ctrl-S it does seem to work
07:50 🔗 Rotab strange that its not in the lost
07:50 🔗 joepie91_ (same applies if something doesn't work - just make sure to provide an example URL of every failing cast)
07:50 🔗 joepie91_ case *
07:50 🔗 Rotab list *
07:51 🔗 joepie91_ fwiw, the youtube-dl guys are generally pretty responsive :)
07:52 🔗 Ctrl-S so it'd be worth asking for them to officially support it, even though it "just works"?
07:52 🔗 joepie91_ yep
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08:58 🔗 ersi_ Rotab: Not all that strange. Documentation isn't the priotized part of any project, although some projects are pretty darn good at it
09:04 🔗 joepie91_ ersi_: I would disagree, for my 'reusable' projects (stuff that I intend for a general audience to use), documentation is a priority :)
09:04 🔗 joepie91_ eg. I've dropped what I was doing in the past to fix an error in the bhttp documentation
09:04 🔗 joepie91_ as soon as it was reported
09:07 🔗 ersi_ Add 'most' between 'the' and 'prioritized'
09:08 🔗 ersi_ Why is there so many fucking pedants in IT
09:08 🔗 ersi_ Yea yea yea you have one data point that suggests otherwise, maybe, now I'm wrong forever
09:08 🔗 ersi_ You win four internets
09:09 🔗 joepie91_ ersi_: you did say 'any' ;)
09:09 🔗 ersi_ and for people who aren't pedants, that does not mean "every single one, without exceptions"
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09:09 🔗 joepie91_ I'm sure :)
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09:24 🔗 Ctrl-S because in IT if you're off by one you can break things
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09:30 🔗 ersi Not in informal communication about a trivial subject
10:54 🔗 joepie91_ ersi: unfortunately such 'informal statements' tend to be extrapolated into hard truths by many, and I get to spend the rest of my day arguing such inaccurate perceptions instead of getting work done, at moments where the accuracy of the statement actually matters
10:55 🔗 joepie91_ example case: "all software has vulnerabilities, so these zpanel developers really can't be blamed for the vulns in their code, and there's no problem with running zpanel"
10:56 🔗 ersi That's the other funny thing with pedants
10:56 🔗 ersi they suck on that dick of a caramel for a while and then start talking fucking semantics forever
10:57 🔗 joepie91_ wat
11:09 🔗 joepie91_ https://gist.github.com/joepie91/7134c58c88f040365260
11:09 🔗 joepie91_ dum dum dum...
11:14 🔗 midas1 explain joepie91_
11:16 🔗 joepie91_ midas1: takes a folder with a season of Lost episodes
11:16 🔗 joepie91_ mass-uploads them to IA with the correct metadata
11:17 🔗 joepie91_ grabbed from tvdb (for episode data) and using mediainfo (for file data)
11:17 🔗 joepie91_ https://gist.github.com/joepie91/aac1e66c785a93391d11
11:17 🔗 joepie91_ and made in such a way that almost everything is abstracted into reusable functions
11:17 🔗 joepie91_ so I can put together such an uploader for any series in a few minutes, pretty much
11:18 🔗 joepie91_ sort of an ad-hoc framework
11:18 🔗 joepie91_ :D
11:19 🔗 midas1 nice
11:20 🔗 joepie91_ but yeah, I'll be using it for more stuff
11:20 🔗 joepie91_ I'm working on a graphical client for IA
11:20 🔗 joepie91_ but until that is done
11:20 🔗 joepie91_ I just write some custom upload scripts to free up disk space
11:20 🔗 joepie91_ and get stuff into IA
11:20 🔗 midas1 '4TB should be enough for everyone!'
11:20 🔗 joepie91_ graphical client will prob take a while
11:21 🔗 midas1 its not.
11:21 🔗 midas1 :p
11:21 🔗 joepie91_ (and when I say graphical client, I mean a batch uploading/digitizing client - basically combining batch upload interface with metadata templates, with stuff like batch scanner / optical drive automation, and so on)
11:21 🔗 joepie91_ (so I can just do all my archiving stuffs from within one interface)
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19:43 🔗 wyatt8750 <joepie91_> how I generally phrase it: forcing somebody to share code instead of forcing somebody *not* to share code, is still forcing somebody
19:43 🔗 wyatt8750 agreed
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19:52 🔗 balrog wyatt8750: it's forcing the other person to not place additional restrictions on their code, thereby keeping the code free
19:52 🔗 balrog (of said additional restrictions)
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20:11 🔗 aaaaaaaaa As said earlier, GNU poisoned the well on purpose because that fit the goal of the project. Same reason Creative Commons created the Share-Alike restriction.
20:12 🔗 xmc thought of the hour: hypothetically, the wtfpl precludes use of wtfpl-licensed code in hostile work environments
20:12 🔗 ersi wtf.pl
20:12 🔗 aaaaaaaaa Of course, most discussions of copyright end up with people talking past each other or turning into "copyright has uses" vs "eradicate it completely."
20:13 🔗 ersi blurgh at gpl vs other free licenses
20:13 🔗 ersi i mean really
20:13 🔗 ersi that discussion?
20:13 🔗 aaaaaaaaa xmc: technically, you can just use a copy of the code without including the license.
20:14 🔗 xmc but what if you don't want to have anything to do with it
20:17 🔗 aaaaaaaaa umm, have an employee on their own free time relicense their copy into the "do what you want license with no swears" or DWYWLWNS?
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20:18 🔗 joepie91 [22:12] <xmc> thought of the hour: hypothetically, the wtfpl precludes use of wtfpl-licensed code in hostile work environments
20:18 🔗 joepie91 in a way, you are correct
20:18 🔗 joepie91 however, the decision lies with the entity using the code
20:18 🔗 joepie91 not with the entity distributing the code
20:18 🔗 xmc huh?
20:19 🔗 joepie91 if a certain company does not wish to use WTFPL-licensed code because of the language in the license
20:19 🔗 joepie91 then that is a decision by that company
20:19 🔗 joepie91 not by the author who licensed it under the WTFPL
20:19 🔗 joepie91 thus it is not a restriction imposed by the author
20:19 🔗 xmc i'm not talking about that
20:19 🔗 xmc if i hate my job
20:20 🔗 xmc and my boss wants me to use wtfpl licensed library
20:20 🔗 xmc if i do it grudgingly, i am breaking the license terms
20:20 🔗 xmc because i don't want to
20:20 🔗 xmc capisce?
20:21 🔗 joepie91 oh
20:21 🔗 joepie91 heh
20:21 🔗 joepie91 hm.
20:21 🔗 joepie91 that's actually a god point, heh
20:24 🔗 Jonimus counterpoint, you want to get paid so you'll do it anyway.
20:25 🔗 Jonimus which means you do "want" to use the code, you just wish you didn't have too.
20:26 🔗 aaaaaaaaa maybe it's more of the general inclination sense
20:27 🔗 joepie91 interesting
20:27 🔗 joepie91 looks like I now operate the only Bitcoin VPS list
20:27 🔗 joepie91 that still exists
20:27 🔗 joepie91 the Bitcoin wiki nuked theirs
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