#archiveteam-bs 2015-04-19,Sun

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00:13 🔗 kyan The vast majority of books that I own and want electronic copies of aren't available electronically. Unfortunately, I don't have a good scanning setup :(
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00:34 🔗 xmc yipdw: at http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Dev/Tracker#Tracker_Setup , what is the 'start' program? it's not on debian jessie.
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00:34 🔗 xmc oh, it's from upstart
00:35 🔗 xmc hm
00:35 🔗 xmc but debian now has systemd?
00:35 🔗 xmc it has been a long time since i've dealt with these things
00:40 🔗 xmc chfoo: are you available to shed some light on this?
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00:40 🔗 xmc websearch isn't really useful, or i'm doing it wrong
00:40 🔗 chfoo xmc: if you don't have upstart, what auto start program thing config did you use?
00:41 🔗 xmc i didn't tell debian what to choose because it didn't ask me. it installed systemd.
00:41 🔗 chfoo write a systemd config for them. it should be easy
00:42 🔗 xmc oh, ok.
00:43 🔗 * xmc sighs
00:43 🔗 aaaaaaaaa arch has a good wiki article on unit files
00:43 🔗 xmc cool, can you link it to me?
00:43 🔗 chfoo https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers
00:44 🔗 * xmc melts
00:44 🔗 xmc I think i'm going to get some dinner and then come back to this
00:45 🔗 xmc for those who are curious and out of the loop, i'm building a new box for the main tracker.
00:45 🔗 xmc and at the same time proofreading the install document :)
00:52 🔗 aaaaaaaaa maybe it wasn't arch, I can't seem to relocate it. Closest I found was https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd#Writing_unit_files
00:56 🔗 aaaaaaaaa As an aside, at least you aren't trying to follow the install instructions for the warrior hq.
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00:59 🔗 aaaaaaaaa In their entirety, "This is a small Sinatra web app to manage the Warriors."
01:02 🔗 xmc i have unit files now
01:02 🔗 xmc i guess figuring out dinner is harder than writing systemd config
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03:16 🔗 xmc hey chfoo, i'm getting an error in the broadcaster, have you seen this before?
03:16 🔗 xmc it claims that io, a #Server, doesn't have a 'configure' method
03:17 🔗 xmc at this location https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/universal-tracker/blob/master/broadcaster/server.js#L62
03:17 🔗 xmc i should put this in the bugtracker, hm
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04:30 🔗 swebb sets mode: +o SketchCow
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05:22 🔗 SketchCow https://www.flickr.com/photos/textfiles/sets/72157652032897002/
05:34 🔗 xmc vintage computer feast
05:37 🔗 kyan wish it was on IA rather than Flickr... owned by yahoo :(
05:38 🔗 xmc something tells me that SketchCow has a non-flickr copy of his photos
05:40 🔗 SketchCow Ha ha
05:40 🔗 SketchCow Yes, kyan. educate me about yahoo's instability
05:40 🔗 SketchCow Are you saying I shouldn't trust them? They've been around for years!
05:51 🔗 BlueMaxim the mafia have been around for years, that won't stop 'em from breakin' my legs
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06:20 🔗 yipdw xmc: oops sorry I was ot
06:20 🔗 yipdw ut
06:20 🔗 yipdw xmc: any remaining issues?
06:21 🔗 xmc yes actually ... https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/universal-tracker/issues/33
06:24 🔗 yipdw oh fucking node
06:24 🔗 yipdw hmm
06:24 🔗 yipdw can I get a shell account on tracker neue
06:24 🔗 xmc sure thing, hold a few minutes
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06:25 🔗 xmc bravo company tracker is called 'zloty'
06:26 🔗 xmc same ssh pubkey as in tracker1?
06:27 🔗 yipdw yes
06:27 🔗 yipdw or I can give you an ed25519 public key to be more cool
06:29 🔗 xmc please hold, i have 3 irc conversations and a needy root shell
06:30 🔗 yipdw your call is important to us
06:30 🔗 xmc someday
06:32 🔗 xmc ok: ssh yipdw@xn--zoty-01a.xrtc.netb
06:32 🔗 xmc s/b$//
06:32 🔗 yipdw not that it's all that secure but
06:32 🔗 yipdw ECDSA key fingerprint is 8b:eb:2b:ef:8a:6a:35:ac:16:87:29:b7:db:0a:82:8c
06:32 🔗 yipdw ?
06:32 🔗 xmc how do i check from the host
06:32 🔗 xmc i'm not good at cmoputer
06:32 🔗 yipdw ssh-keygen -lf /etc/ssh/ssh_ecdsa_host_key
06:33 🔗 xmc 8b:eb:2b:ef:8a:6a:35:ac:16:87:29:b7:db:0a:82:8c yes
06:33 🔗 yipdw k
06:33 🔗 yipdw oh my god that prompt color scheme
06:33 🔗 xmc autogenerated from the hostname
06:34 🔗 yipdw $ talk
06:34 🔗 yipdw -bash: talk: command not found
06:34 🔗 yipdw :(
06:36 🔗 yipdw whoa
06:37 🔗 yipdw so, the good news is that this is caused by a totally incompatible version of socket.io
06:38 🔗 yipdw xmc: inside package.json, lock socket.io to 0.9.5
06:38 🔗 yipdw or
06:38 🔗 yipdw I can do that, commit it, etc
06:39 🔗 xmc i just changed the config file, trying to remember how to redo the rest of it
06:40 🔗 yipdw npm install
06:40 🔗 xmc thx
06:40 🔗 yipdw ha nice
06:40 🔗 yipdw http://socket.io/docs/migrating-from-0-9/
06:41 🔗 yipdw no guidance for migrating off of io.configure
06:41 🔗 xmc oh chryst
06:41 🔗 xmc you try 'npm install' in ~tracker/broadcaster
06:41 🔗 yipdw it probably won't work well as me, I don't have sudo privileges
06:42 🔗 xmc you should
06:42 🔗 xmc oh right you don't have a password
06:44 🔗 xmc set it to what i said to you by 'write'
06:45 🔗 yipdw ok
06:47 🔗 yipdw oh nice
06:48 🔗 yipdw how the fuck did you install this the first time
06:48 🔗 yipdw like
06:48 🔗 yipdw I can't see how this ever worked
06:48 🔗 xmc install what?
06:48 🔗 yipdw the node modules
06:48 🔗 xmc fuck if i know
06:49 🔗 xmc copy/paste from the wiki article
06:49 🔗 yipdw heh
06:49 🔗 xmc i can computer, yes
06:49 🔗 yipdw node.js: How The Fuck Since 2012
06:49 🔗 xmc ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
06:50 🔗 yipdw ok I got a solution
06:51 🔗 yipdw wait no
06:54 🔗 yipdw ok
06:55 🔗 yipdw wanna facepalm your ass off
06:55 🔗 xmc always, friend
06:55 🔗 xmc always
06:55 🔗 yipdw cd /home/tracker/broadcaster ; ls
06:55 🔗 xmc you're fucking kidding me
06:55 🔗 yipdw nope
06:55 🔗 yipdw look at node_modules/hiredis/binding.gyp
06:56 🔗 yipdw it expects to be able to shell-execute something named "node"
06:56 🔗 yipdw Debian/Ubuntu for some reason insist on naming node "nodejs"
06:56 🔗 xmc i sure hope that 'gyp' isn't something racist, too
06:56 🔗 yipdw it probably is
06:56 🔗 yipdw anyway https://github.com/redis/hiredis-node has been that way for a long time and it has NO open issues
06:56 🔗 yipdw in fact no mentions of this problem
06:57 🔗 yipdw so I dunno, maybe all the Node users deploy on OS X or don't use packages or some shit
06:57 🔗 xmc probably all of the above
06:57 🔗 yipdw anyway see if that works
06:58 🔗 yipdw if it does, I will commit a lock to 0.9.5 and vendor node_modules so none of us ever have to do this again
06:58 🔗 xmc xn--zoty-01a:~/broadcaster$ nodejs server.js /home/tracker/broadcaster/environment.json
06:58 🔗 xmc info - socket.io started
06:58 🔗 xmc seems to work
06:58 🔗 yipdw uh
06:58 🔗 yipdw ok
06:58 🔗 yipdw watch out for a torrent of logs
06:58 🔗 yipdw the broadcaster in its default config will log everything it send
06:58 🔗 yipdw s
06:58 🔗 xmc ok
06:58 🔗 yipdw that might be configurable
06:59 🔗 xmc well, it *is* a broadcaster
06:59 🔗 yipdw broadcasting to stdout hell yeah
06:59 🔗 yipdw we should *probably* use 1.3.5
06:59 🔗 xmc 1.3.5 what?
06:59 🔗 yipdw socket.io
06:59 🔗 yipdw but I can't figure out what the replacement for io.configure is
06:59 🔗 xmc io.fuckyou
07:00 🔗 yipdw I am really more inclined to replace broadcaster with websocketd and a shell script
07:00 🔗 xmc would that work?
07:00 🔗 yipdw broadcaster made sense in the days when websocket support was not realy prevalent
07:00 🔗 yipdw these days it's much more common
07:00 🔗 yipdw I think it would
07:00 🔗 xmc if so, blasting away a stupid complicated dependency chain is 100% indicated
07:00 🔗 yipdw yes, websocketd has no deps
07:00 🔗 xmc you say i should expect some logging on stdout?
07:01 🔗 yipdw when people connect, yes
07:01 🔗 yipdw or stderr I don't know
07:01 🔗 xmc well i'm just running it in screen today
07:01 🔗 xmc soon it'll be wired up to hide behind systemd
07:01 🔗 yipdw so it's basically archivebot hahaha
07:02 🔗 xmc v_v basically
07:02 🔗 yipdw tmux session running for 300 days and counting
07:02 🔗 xmc screen daemons are good daemons
07:02 🔗 yipdw fully controllable
07:02 🔗 xmc i have an etherpad-lite server running in a screen session
07:02 🔗 xmc i have a few uparrow-enter cronjobs
07:02 🔗 yipdw if I can get a way to start tmux with preselected commands I might just do that
07:03 🔗 xmc in screen, you do 'screen command' and it opens a new window in the existing session
07:03 🔗 xmc you can give it several cmdlines i thnik
07:03 🔗 yipdw prefix them all with "supervise ..." from daemontools
07:03 🔗 yipdw bam, supervised daemons
07:03 🔗 xmc lol
07:03 🔗 xmc supervised inspectable daemons
07:03 🔗 xmc it's a fucking daemon petting zoo
07:03 🔗 yipdw I am devops++
07:05 🔗 yipdw but like seriously I used to care about doing it The Right Way, and that ended up being so complex and when it inevitably fell over I just took the blame
07:05 🔗 yipdw so The Right Way was a net negative
07:05 🔗 yipdw now I'm like "fuck it, if nobody cares how it runs then I'll do it for my benefit"
07:05 🔗 Ctrl-S The right way is "It works"
07:05 🔗 Ctrl-S if at any point it isn't working, then you have fucked it up
07:05 🔗 xmc no, the right way is "pager doesn't beep"
07:06 🔗 xmc who cares if it isn't working, so long as nobody notices
07:06 🔗 yipdw acceptable ways to achieve that include "turn off pager"
07:06 🔗 xmc s/pager/beer/g
07:06 🔗 Ctrl-S jam pager
07:06 🔗 yipdw beer?
07:07 🔗 yipdw what sort of beer do you drink that beeps
07:07 🔗 xmc i don't, that's what's good about beer
07:07 🔗 yipdw oh
07:07 🔗 Ctrl-S put pager in beer
07:07 🔗 yipdw I thought this was some sort of fancy nanobeer from a microbrewery actually run by a megacorp
07:07 🔗 Ctrl-S claim accident later
07:08 🔗 garyrh beer.js
07:08 🔗 xmc get out.
07:10 🔗 garyrh no, it's "go get out", silly.
07:11 🔗 yipdw $ cargo cult
07:11 🔗 yipdw anyway, tracker 2
07:14 🔗 yipdw ooh, this new tracker has the clocks
07:15 🔗 xmc the clocks?
07:15 🔗 yipdw it's got the clocks it rocks but it was obsolete before I opened the box
07:15 🔗 xmc Elaborate.
07:15 🔗 yipdw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpMvS1Q1sos
07:16 🔗 xmc oh ... i haven't heard this song in a while
07:16 🔗 yipdw I think it's funny that Pentium is now the low-end brand
07:16 🔗 xmc 100 gigabytes of ram eh
07:17 🔗 xmc $ free -g
07:17 🔗 yipdw yeah, that machine would make an awesome Redsi host
07:17 🔗 xmc total used free shared buffers cached
07:17 🔗 xmc Mem: 31 24 6 0 1 14
07:17 🔗 xmc not far off
07:17 🔗 yipdw tracker@xn--zoty-01a:~/broadcaster$ free -g
07:17 🔗 yipdw total used free shared buffers cached
07:17 🔗 yipdw Mem: 1 1 0 0 0 0
07:17 🔗 yipdw nice
07:17 🔗 xmc the metal host has many gigabytes free
07:18 🔗 xmc i'll give it more before we put it into reality
07:18 🔗 yipdw free --tera is also pretty funny
07:18 🔗 xmc ha
07:18 🔗 yipdw I would like to know that motivation for that command line switch
07:18 🔗 xmc completeness fetish
07:18 🔗 yipdw specifically what system actually needed it
07:19 🔗 xmc some big numa cluster maybe
07:20 🔗 yipdw I'm going to try 0.9.17
07:20 🔗 yipdw that's the last in the socket.io 0.9.x series
07:21 🔗 yipdw xmc: try restarting the broadcaster
08:05 🔗 xmc i killed it a while ago
08:05 🔗 xmc please hold
08:05 🔗 xmc running
08:06 🔗 yipdw ok
08:06 🔗 xmc as: tracker@xn--zoty-01a:~/broadcaster$ nodejs server.js /home/tracker/broadcaster/environment.json
08:13 🔗 yipdw ok, we've locked to 0.9.17
08:13 🔗 yipdw I was going to vendor all the modules, but that's not really practical because hiredis contains compilation products
08:14 🔗 yipdw I guess we're ok if we always deploy on x86-64 Linux or something
08:37 🔗 xmc portability? who needs that?
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15:40 🔗 swebb sets mode: +o ersi
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16:47 🔗 schbirid hey midas, i am pruning my jamendo collection now ;)
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17:58 🔗 kyan Ah, found the magazines collection: http://libgen.in/magz/
18:05 🔗 schbirid hm, my script deleting less than i hoped
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18:41 🔗 joepie91 um
18:41 🔗 joepie91 [01:15] <xmc> fucking hell
18:41 🔗 joepie91 [01:15] <xmc> nodejs v_v
18:41 🔗 joepie91 gem is ruby, not node.js
18:56 🔗 joepie91 SketchCow: you may like http://bitcalc.beepboopbitcoin.com/
18:56 🔗 joepie91 it includes a small replica/spoof of monkey island
18:56 🔗 joepie91 (it's a lot bigger than it seems at first)
19:01 🔗 schbirid anyone got a good idea how to easily decode json poop like this on the commandline? !Ya Estoy Harto de Mis Profesores\u00a1\u00a1\u00a1\u00a1\u00a1\u00a1\u00a1(DEMO VERSION)
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19:07 🔗 schbirid i simply used http://rishida.net/tools/conversion/ ...
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19:30 🔗 schbirid ugh, 15k albums left that might not be online anymore
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20:22 🔗 midas schbirid: no worries, got a backup here :)
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20:23 🔗 Kazzy_ man i don't even know what's real any more
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20:25 🔗 schbirid midas: it does not count unless its at IA :(
20:28 🔗 schbirid night
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20:39 🔗 godane SketchCow: i hope you got the data off of that disk that exploded in your drive
20:39 🔗 godane or at least have more then of that disk
20:40 🔗 godane for everyone else: https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/589863886481920000
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20:54 🔗 aaaaaaaaa best response so far: "ugh DRM"
21:04 🔗 Rotab hahaah
21:13 🔗 SketchCow I did get the data
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21:20 🔗 SketchCow -rw-r--r-- 1 jscott users 12677120 Apr 16 03:09 ActiveX Visual Basic 5 Control Cration Edition (Prentice Hall) (1997).iso
21:20 🔗 SketchCow -rw-r--r-- 1 jscott users 11589632 Apr 16 06:05 Building OCXs (Que) (1995).iso
21:20 🔗 SketchCow -rw-r--r-- 1 jscott users 9498624 Apr 19 18:14 Displays by Dell - UltraScan P991 Color Monitor (1999).iso
21:20 🔗 SketchCow -rw-r--r-- 1 jscott users 923648 Apr 16 06:26 Dr. Dobb's Programmers' Talk CD-ROM (CMP Media) (2000).iso
21:20 🔗 SketchCow -rw-r--r-- 1 jscott users 10596352 Apr 13 11:54 Dr. Dobbs Journal - Source Code - 282 (February 1998).iso
21:20 🔗 SketchCow -rw-r--r-- 1 jscott users 1228800 Apr 19 19:23 External Case JM-01.iso
21:20 🔗 SketchCow -rw-r--r-- 1 jscott users 3141632 Apr 19 07:49 Games Machine CD-ROM - Hollywood Monsters (2000).iso
21:20 🔗 SketchCow -rw-r--r-- 1 jscott users 6553600 Apr 16 06:04 Home Medical Advisor v3.0 (Pixel Perfect) (1993).iso
21:20 🔗 SketchCow -rw-r--r-- 1 jscott users 12322816 Apr 13 23:51 Microsoft Bob Autodemo (Microsoft Home) (1995).iso
21:20 🔗 SketchCow -rw-r--r-- 1 jscott users 6803456 Apr 16 19:32 Microsoft Visual Basic . NET Step by Step (Microsoft Press) (2002).iso
21:20 🔗 SketchCow -rw-r--r-- 1 jscott users 5738496 Apr 13 23:21 Multimedia Word Games (Pro-One Software) (1995).iso
21:20 🔗 SketchCow We call this "I have seriously given up gatekeeping CD-ROMs, they're all going up."
21:49 🔗 kyan How fast is the Internet Archive's in-browser emulator? It would be really cool to be able to try out modern Linux distributions in the browser to decide which ones I want to use, or to try out old versions...
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21:56 🔗 DFJustin not fast enough for modern ones for sure
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22:04 🔗 kyan oh well :(
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