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Swiggityo |
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Swiggityo |
Anyone know of the location of an archive of the old Helldump2K board from Something Awful? |
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schbirid2 |
someone link me to the url shortener rant please, tood umb to google |
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SketchCow |
Swiggity Swoogity downloading that booty |
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Swiggityo |
Oh yeah |
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AndChat-5 |
Would it be more appropriate to continue the talk in here? Just on a conceptual level, as you (understandably) don't want to assist with finding an archive |
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xmc |
what is there to discuss? |
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AndChat-5 |
The ethics of trying to find the archive. I'm conflicted in the matter, and I would appreciate discussion on the merits of my search. I don't want anyone to get hurt. |
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xmc |
if you don't want people to get hurt, don't dox them? |
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schbirid2 |
it would be fine i guess but i would like not to. the whole topic is a minefield and while it is incredibly interesting i would like archiveteam stay clear of it |
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xmc |
i'm somewhat interested in what's going on but my gator senses are tingling something fierce |
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ersi |
I don't give a fuck personally. Dox them, don't dox them. Archive it, don't archive it. |
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schbirid2 |
but imagine archiveteam somehow getting involved. either side. it would be unpleasant and a pain |
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AndChat-5 |
All I know is, this person used to be part of a group that drove people to suicide, she recently tried to SWAT a critic of hers, and my friend was rendered homeless for 4 months because of a sociopathic follower of this person calling her employer and making numerous bombastic allegations, including some that involved her private medical info |
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ersi |
Sounds like someone needs to involve law enforcement |
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xmc |
ayup |
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schbirid2 |
sorry about your friend. if you ne..ersi was quicker |
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AndChat-5 |
And understandable, schbird2. A minefield it is. |
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AndChat-5 |
Law enforcement is getting involved on the SWATing attempt. As for my friend, state law enforcement weren't able to do anything about it (burner phone in another state), and she thinks the FBI wouldn't care about this at all |
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xmc |
ok cool. not archiveteam's job. |
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ersi |
AndChat-5: They definately are not interested when they don't even know about it. |
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AndChat-5 |
Well, if no one else gets harmed by this person or her followers, then I suppose there's no need for me to look for a Helldump archive. Hate feeling powerless to help, but I wouldn't want to risk hurting anyone here. And it is true that it'd likely cause a shitstorm of some manner |
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xmc |
it's already a shit hurricane |
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xmc |
partly because you fuckers keep doxing each other |
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AndChat-5 |
Ah well. Thanks for hearing me out |
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ersi |
Pro-tip: Talk to the cops regardless |
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xmc |
cops: they're not just for shooting people. |
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AndChat-5 |
Yeah, turns out when you piss off the CEO of one of the largest Newswire outlets in the world, the news that comes out isn't very favorable, ersi |
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AndChat-5 |
*xmc, not ersi |
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xmc |
please drop it and leave us |
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AndChat-5 |
Doing so, ersi. |
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AndChat-5 |
No need to be a dick about it. You'd want to help your friend too if she got hurt, xmc :/ |
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ersi |
That's not being a dick |
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ersi |
You haven't seen us being dicks, apparently |
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AndChat-5 |
Oh, ok. I misjudged ya then. Good good |
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xmc |
i'm going to complete the tracker migration this weekend |
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xmc |
i think the only thing remaining is urlteam, and the dns |
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* |
winr4r salutes xmc |
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yipdw |
DON'T FORGET CRAZY GEMS ISSUES LOLOL |
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xmc |
let's not talk about that shall we |
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yipdw |
actually if the rest of everything works then urlteam is Python so |
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yipdw |
EGGSESISSUES |
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yipdw |
I still love this exchange http://archive.fart.website/bin/irclogger_log/archiveteam-bs?date=2015-04-18,Sat&sel=230#l226 |
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xmc |
that was a difficult time in my life |
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ersi |
triggered |
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joepie91 |
Ruby: for when your daily masochism quotum has not been filled yet, and the end of day is nearing |
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yipdw |
I'd extend that to programming in general |
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yipdw |
except interactive systems |
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yipdw |
I like those |
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joepie91 |
yipdw: Ruby is quite... abd |
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joepie91 |
bad * |
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yipdw |
I could play around in Maple or Mathematica for hours |
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yipdw |
joepie91: yeah I know, it's my day job |
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joepie91 |
combine the massive amount of dependencies for small things of Node.js, with the version conflict hell of Python |
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joepie91 |
and you basically get Ruby |
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joepie91 |
:( |
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yipdw |
Ruby's great if your concept of distribution is "JAR it up" or "here have a VM" |
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yipdw |
works for some shops, I guess, but that's like the 1% when it comes to software |
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yipdw |
(I am the 1%) |
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chfoo |
did the old user accounts get added to the new tracker? |
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chfoo |
ssh accounts |
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yipdw |
I think you'll have to poke xmc |
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chfoo |
the tracker app doesn't have the latest code too and i need to set up the fa login server |
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chfoo |
urlteam should be easy, reload the sqlite database, copy the configs, and install the dependencies. the redis db needs to be transferred unless you already have it sync'ed |
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joepie91 |
yipdw: right. that's basically the problem, Ruby is designed for perfectly reproducible isolated environments |
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joepie91 |
ie. completely unsuitable for redistributable software |
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joepie91 |
Not A Feature |
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* |
joepie91 has somewhat fallen in love with Node's project-local dependencies, no version conflicts ever again! |
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yipdw |
bundler provides that, though you need to remember to bundle exec, and the bundler/shell environment interaction can get confusing |
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joepie91 |
yipdw: right. and that's the problem :P |
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joepie91 |
"you need to remember X and make sure you don't Y and maybe you could Z" |
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joepie91 |
go away with your caveats, I want to run <package-manager> install and be done |
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joepie91 |
:P |
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yipdw |
I haven't come across a system that hasn't made me sigh so |
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joepie91 |
yipdw: my single two complaints about npm are that 1) the error output is absolutely fucking ridiculously bad *if* something goes wrong, and 2) there's no possibility of distributing precompiled native addons yet (though that's a double-edged sword so I'm not sure whether this is an actually desirable features) |
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joepie91 |
other than that you just need node (+dev headers on *nix if you want native addons), npm, and you're done |
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joepie91 |
npm install, always works |
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yipdw |
maybe someone will hook up npm to bintray |
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joepie91 |
the problem is when you're missing node devel headers |
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joepie91 |
because it's not going to tell you "you need node devel", no, it's going to throw some cryptic error about bindings.gyp |
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joepie91 |
which is trivially easy to solve, but wtf, use a proper error for that |
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joepie91 |
(or when you're on Debian/Ubuntu, because then your binary is 'nodejs' instead of 'node', but you can blame debian packages for that one..) |
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joepie91 |
packagers* |
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ivan` |
https://archive.org/details/brewster_kahle_interview_1992 is pretty amazing |
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ivan` |
it's a year before Mosaic and it shows you just how differently things could have gone |
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winr4r |
yes, it is |
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winr4r |
joepie91: tbh, i am looking at using go for more of my stuff, because there's some reasonable assurance that whatever i write and/or use will still be usable in two years |
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winr4r |
statically linked binaries don't break across distro upgrades |
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joepie91 |
winr4r: nvm would give you the same assurances |
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yipdw |
nvm? |
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yipdw |
oh nvm |
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yipdw |
abbreviations rule |
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winr4r |
not very many, i assumed |
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winr4r |
it's either that or "whoops we changed the api sorry that the code you wrote six months ago doesn't work now lol" |
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joepie91 |
:P |
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joepie91 |
yipdw: kinda like rvm/virtualenv, except without the suck |
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winr4r |
*guaranteed |
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joepie91 |
basically it just installs a specific Node version, and when you active that environment, it does the same "run the right binary" hack that virtualenv/rvm do |
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joepie91 |
except you can iirc also specify it on a per-project basis |
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joepie91 |
with an .nvmrc |
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joepie91 |
so that it'll automatically pick the right Node version when running from that dir |
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joepie91 |
and it Actually Works |
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yipdw |
that sounds like chruby |
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xmc |
sounds like hell |
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xmc |
can i please exclude that from ever existing on any computers that i have to deal with |
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joepie91 |
noting that really the only thing you need to 'lock' like that is your Node version, if that's something you absolutely require |
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joepie91 |
your packages are project-local anyway |
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yipdw |
operationally I find static binaries retain one large advantage, which is that installation is really cp -R [stuff] [dest] |
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joepie91 |
so your deps are never touched |
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xmc: I've only needed it to test something on 0.10 with 0.12 installed |
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joepie91 |
not using it in production |
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xmc |
ok |
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joepie91 |
it's definitely not a requirement :P |
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xmc: it's the fallback "well at least there's SOMETHING for this" option when you absolutely must lock yourself to a specific Node/io.js version that differs from the globally installed one |
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joepie91 |
it's pretty unlikely that you'll actually ever need it |
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yipdw |
maybe once we get to the Metal era that Gary Bernhardt was talking about the same copy model can be applied to everything else but yeah |
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xmc |
and people ask me why i prefer to write in c :) |
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yipdw |
we need to nuke NoCal first for that to happen |
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xmc: C deps are a mess. |
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yipdw |
infosec people hate him! |
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xmc |
computers are a mess, let's go shopping |
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