#archiveteam-bs 2015-07-25,Sat

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04:59 🔗 kyan My commit messages suck — usually they're just along the lines of "Yes, it works!!!". I guess that's because I've never really coded except for by myself....
05:25 🔗 yipdw even if you're coded by yourself, it's useful to get into the habit of descriptive messages -- it just makes the commit log that much more useful
05:25 🔗 Ctrl-S just wrote what you did
05:26 🔗 Ctrl-S "Fixed logging", "Removed unused funtions", "Wrote new caeser cipher for password encryption"
05:26 🔗 yipdw I'd suggest more about *why* you did something and not *what*
05:26 🔗 yipdw or not just what
05:27 🔗 yipdw what can be discovered from the diff, intent is a lot harder to guess at
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05:28 🔗 kyan Hmm. That's an interesting thought
05:29 🔗 Ctrl-S sometimes i include a traceback when i fix a crash
05:29 🔗 yipdw it's useful to have what when skimming logs; it's useful to have why when you're looking at a commit and going "why the hell did I do this"
05:30 🔗 kyan Mm. I've only ever gone back and tried to find specific commits maybe once or twice, it's never been easy becasue of my sloppy habits :P
05:30 🔗 yipdw the suggestions at https://git-scm.com/book/ch5-2.html are pretty good
05:31 🔗 kyan although that's kind of a metaphor for my life as a whole
05:33 🔗 yipdw it takes time to develop the habit and you'll never stick with it 100%
05:33 🔗 yipdw but try it out, you'll probably find yourself using the features of the source control system more to help yourself out
05:34 🔗 yipdw by "you" I really mean "anyone"
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06:12 🔗 SketchCow https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKuqgDPW8AALNzg.png
06:12 🔗 wednesday I support this.
06:13 🔗 kniffy beautiful
06:13 🔗 kyan I thought you were darking all the ISIS videos?...
06:14 🔗 Ctrl-S why would you dark them?
06:14 🔗 wednesday ^ That's a creative nick.
06:14 🔗 wednesday Fitting.
06:16 🔗 kyan Ctrl-S: Presumably so IA isn't providing the Islamic State help distributing their propaganda.... see this post https://archive.org/post/1033012/constant-removal-of-isis-videos-and-publications-from-internet-archive
06:17 🔗 kyan I'd be happier if there was an actual substantive reply to the letter from an Archive employee though...
06:18 🔗 Ctrl-S ^
06:21 🔗 yipdw make dark -> wait for content warning feature -> make undark seems like what might be happening there
06:22 🔗 yipdw i'm glad that thread doesn't have more replies, it'd make people think it's some sort of permanent decision
06:22 🔗 kyan On the other hand, they have in their terms of service: "Because the content of the Collections comes from around the world and from many different sectors, the Collections may contain information that might be deemed offensive, disturbing, pornographic, racist, sexist, bizarre, misleading, fraudulent, or otherwise objectionable. The Archive does not endorse or sponsor any content in the Collections, nor does it guarante
06:22 🔗 kyan e or warrant that the content available in the Collections is accurate, complete, noninfringing, or legally accessible in your jurisdiction, and you agree that you are solely responsible for abiding by all laws and regulations that may be applicable to the viewing of the content."
06:23 🔗 kyan Sounds like they're saying they're just saving it, without necessarily judging it so much
06:23 🔗 yipdw i don't get it, what does that have to do with anything
06:24 🔗 kyan It sounds like they're saying that they don't necessarily agree with the media they provide access to
06:25 🔗 kyan which would seem to imply that they're OK with providing a platform for a variety of opinions. To some extent, I guess
06:26 🔗 yipdw well sure but there's also the "you know, beheading is pretty brutal" thing
06:26 🔗 yipdw anyway I don't work for IA, I'm speculating and will therefore shut up
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06:30 🔗 kyan_ On a completely different topic: Does anyone know if there's such a thing as an on-demand book-to-IA service? In other words, where one can purchase a book, donate it to the Internet Archive, sponsor its digitization, and wind up with a borrowable ebook?
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09:13 🔗 joepie91 [08:16] <kyan> Ctrl-S: Presumably so IA isn't providing the Islamic State help distributing their propaganda.... see this post https://archive.org/post/1033012/constant-removal-of-isis-videos-and-publications-from-internet-archive
09:13 🔗 joepie91 seems like weak, cure-the-symptoms reasoning to me
09:13 🔗 joepie91 the decision of IA or any other given platform not to carry those videos, isn't going to make ISIS go poof
09:13 🔗 joepie91 nor reduce the effectiveness of their propaganda
09:14 🔗 joepie91 there are too many options with varying jurisdictions and policies for that
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19:28 🔗 Start anyone here have the windows nt 4 and windows 2000 source code?
19:28 🔗 Start betaarchive removed them
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