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yipdw |
.tw https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/659501892880338944 |
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botpie91 |
Sorry, couldn't get a tweet from https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/659501892880338944 (@Pinboard) |
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yipdw |
meh |
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anomie |
Is the clients ip address recorded in a WARC file? If so, should I be able to remove it with sed? |
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yipdw |
the client IP is not put into a WARC record with wget-warc or wpull, but it may be present in the response |
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yipdw |
wait, no |
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yipdw |
I take that back |
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yipdw |
WARC-IP-Address is a standard WARC record header for precisely that purpose |
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yipdw |
if you're uploading WARCs to IA, please don't remove that |
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yipdw |
given the variation in responses possible from different origins it's very useful data |
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aaaaaaaaa |
isn't that an optional header? |
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yipdw |
you know what, I'll shut the fuck up |
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yipdw |
WARC-IP-Address is the contacted *host's* IP |
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anomie |
Ah, okay. |
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yipdw |
the client's IP is not present, at least not in any ArchiveBot WARCs |
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yipdw |
anyway yes you can rewrite WARCs; while they are text it would be good to use something that understands WARC structure, like warcat |
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anomie |
For purposes unrelated to Archive Team, I'm considering producing some warc files with warcprox, and sharing then publicly. So, I was wondering what might betray my identity. |
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anomie |
That's the question I should I have asked in the first place. |
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yipdw |
however doing so alters the WARC with all the consequences that implies |
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yipdw |
anomie: probably anything |
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yipdw |
the WARCs contain cookies, could contain origin IPs if the response contains them |
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anomie |
I figure cookies might do it. |
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anomie |
would it be non-trivial to remove cookies from WARCs? |
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yipdw |
you can eliminate the Cookie: headers in the response bodies, though that may or may not break your archive |
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yipdw |
depends on whether or not the replayed page needs them |
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yipdw |
if you want to protect your identity, I recommend using a fetcher that isn't connected with you at all |
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yipdw |
there's too many ways for a server to record you in its requests |
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yipdw |
er responses |
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anomie |
Right, but then I'm afraid some anti-scraping mechanisms could ruin it. |
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yipdw |
tradeoffs |
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anomie |
I suppose. |
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yipdw |
a third way is to remote-control Chromium or something but AFAIK nobody has written a Chromium bridge -> WARC thing yet |
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anomie |
There's WARCreate. |
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yipdw |
it's one project on the list of Things I Will Never Get To for ArchiveBot |
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yipdw |
WARCreate is a possibility; you still need some way to control the grab |
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yipdw |
and to click on things, which is terribly difficult in itself, no thanks to things like Angular that for some reason reinvented <a> |
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anomie |
True. |
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Question: How insanely ridiculous would it be to start archiving university student homepages? |
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JesseW |
Doesn't seem rediculous at all, to me. |
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JesseW |
Put together a list on the wiki. |
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phuzion |
Oh |
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phuzion |
That idea already exists |
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phuzion |
http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=University_Web_Hosting |
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JesseW |
Grin. |
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JesseW |
Good. |
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JesseW |
phuzion: well, start writing up warrior scripts. :-) |
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phuzion |
JesseW: I would if I knew wtf I was doing |
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phuzion: where are you starting from? |
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phuzion |
Beginner-ish programming experience. Some experience with regex and whatnot, but minimal experience with python. |
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JesseW |
phuzion: I'd suggest looking over the repositories, then, as a next step. |
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phuzion |
Like, I can go in and see "Oh, syntax error, let me find the missing close paren" but not "Oh, thats doing the wrong thing, let me rewrite the function." |
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JesseW |
I'm hardly an expert, but I'm glad to answer what questions I can. ( arkiver is the expect, I think). |
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phuzion |
Huh, it actually doesn't look horribly complicated to be entirely honest. |
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JesseW |
no, it's not too bad. |
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JesseW |
I haven't written one yet, but mostly due to not having a need so far. |
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phuzion |
Right. |
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JesseW |
but I would certainly be delighted to have something else to run when things are slow. :-) |
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phuzion |
discovery's gonna be a bitch on a project like this. |
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JesseW |
yep. |
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phuzion |
JesseW: urlteam always needs extra warriors :) |
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JesseW |
speaking of urlteam, I do want to look into how to add code for more shortners -- I know we don't catch all of them yet... |
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phuzion |
Yeah, there's a shortener I wanna add but don't know how/have access to do so |
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JesseW |
I /think/ chfoo is the person with admin access, but I'm not at all sure. And in any case, I'd need to write the code first. |
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phuzion |
Yeah, chfoo's the urlteam contact |
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phuzion |
and arkiver |
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phuzion |
JesseW: http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Tracker#People |
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JesseW |
ah, useful |
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phuzion |
Yep. |
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phuzion |
Wiki's got a ton of stuff on it |
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JesseW |
OK, I'm back. Now on wireless, testing walking around to see if it breaks... |
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phuzion |
JesseW: welcome back, hope your wireless is running well ;) |
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JesseW |
Seems to be all working. Yay!! |
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JesseW: 'grats! |
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over 2k DTIC items so far |
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so looks like there are files called ADP that i missed |
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Open source only. It's like you are trying to let everyone benefit from your work. |
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The much faster to write makes it make more sense. Was having trouble trying to figure out why you would write in the one language rather than the other. |
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aaaaaaaaa: well, coffeescript a bit more than most |
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let's just say that the coffeescript devs very clearly are not language designers |
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lol |
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http://webapplog.com/coffeescript-quirks/ |
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joepie91_ |
for a small excerpt |
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joepie91_ |
aaaaaaaaa: another issue with coffeescript is that the devs are... well, user-hostile is the only way to put it |
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joepie91_ |
or "hate users", rather |
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filing a ticket on the coffeescript repo -> 90% chance that it gets ignored, 5% chance that you get shouted at, 5% chance that some headway is made on fixing it |
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joepie91_ |
not very good odds |
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aaaaaaaaa |
yeah, I've seen projects like that before and the honestly make me wonder why they have a public bug tracker at all |
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joepie91_ |
yep |
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joepie91_ |
aaaaaaaaa: i have a critical indentation bug open |
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joepie91_ |
sitting there for a few months now |
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not even a reply |
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joepie91_ |
of the "it compiles your code into the wrong place in your code, outside of the callback" type |
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which is a PRETTY BIG FUCKING DEAL |
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aaaaaaaaa |
I'll take your word for it |
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heh, the sleeping of the 8tb drive is fun |
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i imagine it giving me puppy eyes, staring right into my soul, while letting out a minute long whistling fart |
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godane |
SketchCow: your going to be getting Star Wars Celebration Anaheim Live Stream |
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godane |
i will be sending it to your FOS server |
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godane |
its about 30gb |
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godane |
so turns out i'm missing more files from my DTIC archive |
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godane |
there ADB and ADC types now |
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godane |
i can say ADC types are rare |
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godane |
like out 1000 numbers there maybe 6 files that are ADC |
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joepie91_ |
1TB free owncloud: https://www.transip.nl/nieuws-en-acties/transip-introduceert-stack/ (needs invite, you can seemingly sign up to get one?) |
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anomie |
Umm… I have doubts about how much I could depend on that. |