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[11:49] *** bwn has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [11:58] *** HarryCros is now known as HCross [12:13] *** botpie91 has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [12:13] *** botpie91 has joined #archiveteam-bs [12:13] *** dashcloud has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [12:16] *** dashcloud has joined #archiveteam-bs [12:23] *** WubTheCap has joined #archiveteam-bs [12:23] WubTheCap: 10 * 12 / 12 == $10/mo [12:23] more than enough [12:23] for a small image host [12:24] VPS hosts won't tolerate abuse [12:24] WubTheCap: depends entirely on the host [12:24] The smallest I can do is about 30 EUR/month with LeaseWeb on their cheapest dedi [12:24] yeah, wrong price range [12:24] But realistically the figure is more like 60 EUR/month minimum [12:24] WubTheCap: https://servercrate.com/vps-storage [12:24] WubTheCap: this is where my PDF host currently runs [12:24] *** bzc6p_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [12:24] OpenVZ, no thanks. [12:25] WubTheCap: see, and there's the problem. [12:25] OpenVZ is *just fine* for an image host [12:25] you're setting unnecessary requirements [12:25] and this is EXACTLY what kills all these other services [12:25] Their WHOIS is also anonymous [12:25] No way I would do business with them [12:25] you don't need perfect latency, you don't need KVM [12:25] WubTheCap: owner is Robert Clarke [12:25] Behind CloudFlare, I also can't tell what ASN they are under [12:26] LeaseWeb has cheap VPSes too, they're kind of okay [12:26] *** bzc6p_ has left [12:26] There's also prgmr which is another no bullshit host, but it's Xen and a bit pricy [12:26] *** bzc6p_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [12:26] WubTheCap: http://bgp.he.net/AS20150 [12:26] there's your ASN [12:26] Well, if not pricy then their network isn't so good anyway [12:26] Downstream from Psychz I see [12:26] *** notjack has joined #archiveteam-bs [12:26] WubTheCap: if you're going with the first big name that you see, then yes, you're going to have profitability issues [12:26] you have to look a little further than that. [12:27] What annoys me is that so many people start such services without thinking it over, while it's not compulsory to start a service. [12:27] WubTheCap: it's the same shit as people trying to run these kind of services on EC2 [12:27] and S3 [12:27] My experience tells that it needs to be a host like Portlane or LeaseWeb, because they seem to be the only sane ones with a good legal knowledge [12:27] yes, you're going to get raped over bandwidth cost [12:27] that's not because bandwidth is expensive [12:27] that's because YOU PICKED FUCKING AWS [12:27] We basically have three file sharing sites in Hugary now. Two of them is wise and have been up very long. They offer premium accounts, have ads, and limit file storing time. [12:28] And PL/LW's bandwidth pricing is pretty decent [12:28] WubTheCap: https://www.gridlane.com/ [12:28] expired SSL cert. [12:28] not a good start. [12:28] (that's portlane.) [12:28] Their cert was fine a while ago, but I think that brand is quite dead anyway [12:28] probably [12:28] They don't really reply to queries [12:29] Although querying Portlane guys do answer of course [12:29] WubTheCap: anyhow, the reason I linked servercrate is because I know their abuse policy [12:29] that is [12:29] Portlane allocated a /29 to me with complete WHOIS details for abuse-c and so on [12:29] as long as you answer (forwarded) legitimate abusemail in a reasonable timespan [12:30] all the bullshit/false reports go straight into the shredder [12:30] so yes, you can run an image host off it [12:30] That's cool to hear. [12:30] is it the best provider in the world? no, but it's Good Enough [12:30] Jordan: ^ [12:30] and Good Enough is what you need for this kind of service [12:30] you're not commercial, don't have an SLA [12:31] *** bzc6p_ has left [12:31] if your shit is down for an hour or the latency goes up by 15ms, so be it [12:31] (although I haven't really had any issues yet besides planned network maintenance) [12:31] The choice of hosting provider has never really been about SLA. LeaseWeb's best-effort 24 hour response time is often 0.5-3 hours [12:31] WubTheCap: SLA towards end users, I mean [12:32] whether implicit or otherwise [12:32] if people pay $10/mo for a gig of space, they're going to expect it to be uyp [12:32] up * [12:32] I'm not really buying into VPSes anymore, especially for a filesharing service. I say it must be a dedi or preferably colocated [12:33] WubTheCap: you don't get to "preference" where it concerns non-profit services, and that's the key point that kills most of these things [12:33] WubTheCap: either it meets spec, or it does not [12:33] you approach it that way, it's perfectly viable to run [12:33] you don't, and it's not [12:33] I (almost) have the resources to run a really serious Pomf clone with funding for years to come, but I have no interest to run it on PHP/MySQL [12:33] WubTheCap: so hire a dev :) [12:33] Well, I am the current maintainer for Pomf code [12:34] aha. [12:34] Luminarys is working on a clone in Elixir [12:34] Someone also made one in NodeJS but that's not interesting [12:34] (what's with the recent surge in popularity for Elixir?) [12:34] Actually, Luminarys' clone Fuwa.se runs on the Elixir code [12:35] I'm still saying, 60 EUR/month colocation is very well possible and reasonable for Pomf clones, small to medium-large. [12:36] WubTheCap: 60EUR/mo is way too much for a small image host. [12:36] medium-large, perhaps [12:36] but it's not going to be sustainable for a small one [12:36] s/medium-large/medium/, maybe you need to up the bandwidth costs a little for Pomf.se size (120 EUR/month was it?) [12:36] WubTheCap: and be aware of Leaseweb's overage policy, if that's what you're thinking of [12:36] an AnonOps oper once git hit with a 2k+ overage bill after getting hit with DDoS [12:36] joepie91: Considering other things you can do on the colocated server, i.e. IRC server or a mailing list, it's reasonable. [12:36] on a <50/mo server [12:37] The colocated server I have at Portlane costs 60 EUR/month and runs an IRC server for 40 people. [12:37] I have no issue with it. [12:37] It's the only thing way that has satisfied me. [12:37] WubTheCap: IRC rarely brings in much $ [12:37] joepie91: It's not about getting revenue anyway. [12:37] WubTheCap: this discussion kind of was ;) [12:37] It's a community service, much like Pomf clones are. [12:37] WubTheCap: yes, but the problem was sustainability [12:38] hence "you're not going to make it with 60/mo for a small site" [12:38] because you're very unlikely to consistently get that many contributions or even paid memberships [12:38] For my own interests, it is "self-sustainable" at that small scale with any decent personal income and interest to run a service. [12:38] conversion rate for this kind of thing is extremely low [12:39] WubTheCap: isn't that what all the other clone operators thought? [12:39] But anyway, the 30 EUR/month is the smallest I can accept for a LeaseWeb dedi to run one of these clones [12:39] joepie91: Most of the current clones run on cheap 5-20 EUR/month OVH boxes. Not good enough for me, because OVH is unreliable. [12:40] The worst are the 5 EUR/month RamNode VPSes [12:40] WubTheCap: for what definition of "unreliable"? [12:40] Like openhost.xyz [12:40] (ramnode is just fine, but their abuse policy is strict) [12:40] (not advisable for running filehosting on) [12:40] joepie91: OVH's support doesn't speak fluent English and isn't timely (pay for what you get), and their abuse desk will terminate you on third abuse notice (valid or not) [12:40] WubTheCap: agreed with first point, but the second point is much more unpredictable [12:41] joepie91: They are not okay with freedom of speech either. WHOIS backups will get you terminated at RamNode. [12:41] sometimes they will trash abusemail for years [12:41] T [12:41] sometimes they will terminate you on first notice [12:41] (OVH) [12:41] RamNode also spams customers with newsletters with no opt-out [12:41] No ethics there [12:41] "WHOIS backups"? [12:41] joepie91: User-generated post with copy-pasted WHOIS from a domain [12:41] "Remove this or get suspended" [12:41] terminated based on what? [12:42] because that doesn't sound consistent with my experiences [12:42] joepie91: Because RamNode received an abuse complaint about the subject and the "customer must take action to stop these abuse notices", hence "must remove the notice" [12:42] https://8ch.net/fuck_ramnode.txt [12:42] right. that would be the strict abuse handling I mentioned before [12:42] *** bwn has joined #archiveteam-bs [12:42] https://partyvan.eu/transparency/emails/2015-04-15-ramnode-spam.txt [12:43] (Calling him a jew may have been an overreach but that [12:43] but everything else I still stand behind) [12:45] WubTheCap, tried OVH London support? They are good [12:45] WubTheCap: I believe I've already commented on this in the LET thread back then :) [12:45] HCross: I haven't, ask Jordan though [12:45] I had a PSU go, and had it replaced while on the phone to them and was back in under 10 mins [12:45] joepie91: I don't remember what you may have said, but I knew LET would be very ignorant on it anyway [12:46] It's spam anyway [12:46] WubTheCap: sending transactional email about active services is normal, legal, expected, and not spam [12:46] WubTheCap: I don't believe marketing was the topic there [12:46] joepie91: Sending unsolicited and bulk email is spam. [12:46] WubTheCap: it is not unsolicited if it is transactional. [12:46] by definition. [12:46] You need consent, and spam laws like CAN-SPAM are not up to date with what M3AAWG would agree with [12:47] WubTheCap: you're arbitrarily reinventing the term "spam" here, and it makes no sense whatsoever [12:47] *** antomatic has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [12:47] Respectively, Portlane has never bugged me with network service emails and I am really happy with that. [12:47] completely missing the intention behind spam legislation [12:47] What do you guys suggest if I wanted to hide something from google as it's a hidden thing fro a friend unrelated to the site's content? [12:47] joepie91: I am not reinventing it. See Spamhaus' definition. Maybe M3AAWG agrees. [12:47] WubTheCap: transactional email is not spam, end of story. not legally, not in spirit. [12:47] WubTheCap: I do not give a flying fuck about spamhaus [12:48] Then we're done here [12:48] *** WubTheCap has left Leaving [12:50] yeah, you're not going to get very far if you're going to argue about a provider "sending spam" based on "whatever spamhaus says" [12:54] and in the meantime I'm talking to somebody who posts drivel like "No am calling for their removal, if they refuse lethal force may be used (they are attacking lorry drivers in france with knives etc), we cannot allow them people to take over our country or use our countries systems they can go back home as they are not wanted here by any of us apart from Leftists and the criminal group anonymous." [12:54] * joepie91 sighs [12:55] I'm not doing well on the brain cell retention front today. 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[20:34] we should probably move the sourceforge warrior job up in priority, though [20:35] How were the communications with SF going [20:35] don't know [20:35] what we currently need is an rsync target for the ADrive warrior project... [20:35] i.e. someone with access to FOS... [20:44] *** VADemon has quit IRC (left4dead) [21:18] i'm up to july 3 2004 with kpfa [21:19] also i have up to july 25 2004 on my hard drive [21:19] nice! [21:46] *** bwn_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 606 seconds) [22:13] *** bwn has joined #archiveteam-bs [22:50] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/11/06/startup_founder_taken_hostage_by_laidoff_workers_in_india/ [23:07] *** Rickster has joined #archiveteam-bs [23:20] *** JesseW has quit IRC (Leaving.) [23:25] *** raven_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [23:34] *** Rickster has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in) [23:37] *** Rickster has joined #archiveteam-bs [23:49] *** BlueMaxim has joined #archiveteam-bs