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fie |
Do You Know This Person Outside of Facebook? |
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fie |
Friend requests are for connecting with people you know well, like classmates, friends, family and coworkers. Please don’t send this friend request unless you know this person personally. |
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joepie91 |
[23:36] <yipdw> joepie91: "Please, don't re-use the same password to «fool» the robot while restoring your password...several people have done that" arrrrgh |
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joepie91 |
? |
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kyan |
it's a quotation from the github thing about credentials getting commited to public repos |
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kyan |
:P |
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joepie91 |
oh |
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joepie91 |
lol |
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joepie91 |
I missed that |
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joepie91 |
(I'd only read the draft version, before it was published0 |
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joepie91 |
)* |
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fie |
CatButts, http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/247144 |
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fie |
not sure if you've seen this |
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kyan |
nickname: ok :P |
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sag47 |
I attempted connecting via irssi. |
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sag47 |
There doesn't seem to be an IRC client endpoint for chat.efnet.org |
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nickname |
youtify was a music player that would take youtube videos, soundcloud and some other one (I forget) and play them in a nice UI |
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nickname |
The repo is still there, but the hosted version is gone |
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kyan |
this? https://github.com/youtify/youtify |
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nickname |
yes |
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kyan |
Okay... so what does that have to do with spotify? |
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kyan |
it's easy to download from youtube or soundcloud. |
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nickname |
It PLAYS music |
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kyan |
ummm so does Spotify |
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kyan |
it's downloading that I'm talking about |
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kyan |
Spotify uses DRM to protect their streams |
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nickname |
and searches it and lets you make multi-service platform playlists |
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nickname |
youtube streams are free, all you need is youtube-dl.org |
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kyan |
Right |
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kyan |
That's my point |
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sag47 |
youtify doesn't work on DRM enabled content. |
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nickname |
I think it may have supported pandora |
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01:47
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kyan |
Okaaaay, so why bother? Just download the youtube videos, soundcloud tracks, pandora tracks, etc. and stick them in a playlist locally |
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Please hold, I have to connect and disconnect |
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01:48
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sag47 |
And for downloading non-DRM streams it could be used. But so could firebug in Firefox or web developer tools in chrome. See the network tab when playing videos or music. |
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nickname |
back |
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sag47 |
resend: And for downloading non-DRM streams it could be used. But so could firebug in Firefox or web developer tools in chrome. See the network tab when playing videos or music. |
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nickname |
What did I miss |
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nickname |
youtube-dl is great |
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joepie91 is lost |
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kyan |
resend: Okaaaay, so why bother? Just download the youtube videos, soundcloud tracks, pandora tracks, etc. and stick them in a playlist locally |
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kyan |
Those are easy to download |
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nickname |
Disk space and time |
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joepie91 |
what is the point of this discussion again? |
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nickname |
Why download it when its right there? |
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joepie91 |
(serious question) |
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sag47 |
joepie91: we started this conversation in #archiveteam and moved it here. |
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kyan |
Oh, so it's just a playlist maker |
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joepie91 |
ahh. |
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nickname |
It plays music from YT, Soundcloud, and Pandora? (I think) |
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joepie91 |
sag47: FYI, peerflix is what popcorn time uses |
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kyan |
for streaming... (hahahahaha) |
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kyan |
Have to let things buffer with streaming |
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kyan |
unless you've got fast internet |
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joepie91 |
anyhow. |
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joepie91 |
if you miss youtify |
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joepie91 |
just set it up/ |
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nickname |
Peerflix: The backbone of piracy since 2014 |
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joepie91 |
?* |
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sag47 |
Seems popcorntime is down. |
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joepie91 |
yes |
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sag47 |
First I've heard of it. |
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nickname |
It's been dead since YTS/YIFY diead |
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nickname |
*died |
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kyan |
In other words, streaming is completely useless for me |
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joepie91 |
well |
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joepie91 |
semi-dead |
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sag47 |
Depends on what type of movies you stream. |
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joepie91 |
torrent search still works absolutely fine |
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joepie91 |
as does the rest of popcorn time |
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sag47 |
If you stream open movie projects then you're good. |
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joepie91 |
just not the fancy gallery |
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kyan |
but the Spotify downloader is useful for me. |
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sag47 |
(hence my suggestion of blender foundation movies) |
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kyan |
Given that Spotify has a lot of music that youtube, soundcloud, torrents, etc. don't have |
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joepie91 |
sag47: I honestly doubt that anybody here really cares about leggality |
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nickname |
Downloading is for those who have 5TB SSDS, streaming is for those with 250GB laptops that can't hold even an iso |
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joepie91 |
legality* |
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kyan |
I have a 256GB laptop |
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sag47 |
Maybe not, but I generally do. A personal choice, really. :) |
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kyan |
(and several TBs of external hard drives) |
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joepie91 |
also, 250GB? come on |
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01:51
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joepie91 |
I ran on a 34GB HDD |
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joepie91 |
for months |
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kyan |
My previous laptop was 30gb |
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sag47 |
I have a 12TB data store that I use for projects. |
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nickname |
Oh I DL music, only when I like it and it is (usually) free |
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sag47 |
Though I recently moved so it's out of my reach in storage ;.; |
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* |
joepie91 just downloads torrents in streaming mode |
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nickname sits in corner with 1tb usb drive |
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joepie91 looks at 4TB USB3 drive |
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sag47 |
Yeah but if I can't reach it; it basically doesn't exist :-/ |
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kyan |
Well, a lot of the music I want isn't available through MP3 download sites, YouTube, torrents, Usenet, etc. |
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joepie91 |
rutracker! |
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kyan |
joepie91, to me? |
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01:53
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joepie91 |
(I know, rutracker isn't complete) |
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01:53
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nickname |
sshhh usenet |
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joepie91 |
kyan: half-seriously, yes |
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01:53
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joepie91 |
rutracker has a ton of stuff that's hard to find elsewhere |
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01:53
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kyan |
Yeah, I use it for a lot of things |
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sag47 |
What's rutracker? |
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sag47 |
Ah a site |
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01:53
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nickname |
This is IRC! Everything is logged |
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01:53
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joepie91 |
sag47: "private" Russian music torrent site |
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kyan |
but I'm talking about the hard to find stuff |
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joepie91 |
where with "private" I mean you need to register an account |
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joepie91 |
lol |
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sag47 |
xD |
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joepie91 |
no ratios or any of that dumb crap |
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kyan |
joepie91, they've gone fairly public |
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joepie91 |
oh, they have been for years |
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01:54
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kyan |
magnet links are available without registtration now |
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joepie91 |
really? |
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01:54
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joepie91 |
how so? |
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01:54
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kyan |
yep |
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01:54
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sag47 |
Anybody connected to chat.efnet.org using a chat client other than the web? I'd like to use irssi but don't know the domain/port of the IRC server. |
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joepie91 |
I mean, I know that they've been having censorship drills |
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nickname |
Please hold, I have to connect and disconnect |
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joepie91 |
so maybe they just went "fuck it, in the crosshairs now anyway" |
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nickname |
back |
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01:55
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nickname |
What occured? |
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01:55
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kyan |
joepie91: example: http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3890927 |
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01:55
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joepie91 |
sag47: look on the efnet site |
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01:55
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sag47 |
Why DC nickname? |
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nickname |
*occurred |
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01:55
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joepie91 |
interesting |
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01:55
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kyan |
Also there's a massive torrent of all their torrents out now |
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01:56
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kyan |
so if you want to set up your own rutracker |
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01:56
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nickname |
META TORRENTS |
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01:56
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joepie91 |
ha |
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01:56
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joepie91 |
fat chance |
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01:56
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nickname |
are the best |
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01:56
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aaaaaaaaa |
sag47: what continent? |
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01:56
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sag47 |
US, I'm looking at their site now. err North America |
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01:56
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kyan |
https://archive.org/details/4F059E20CDA1306BF48F1337F23C89FC452A7040 has them all |
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01:57
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joepie91 |
.title http://www.zdnet.com/article/if-you-have-nothing-to-hide-heres-where-to-send-your-passwords/ |
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01:57
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botpie91 |
joepie91: If you have 'nothing to hide', here's where to send your passwords | ZDNet |
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01:57
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nickname |
Archive.org: Hiding piracy with educational material since ???? |
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01:57
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aaaaaaaaa |
irc.choppa.net on 9999 seems pretty stable and supports ssl |
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xmc |
*choopa |
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aaaaaaaaa |
yeah, oops |
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xmc |
choopa choppa / hipaa hippa |
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nickname |
Hippo |
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01:59
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nickname |
welcome |
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sag47_irs |
yay |
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01:59
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sag47_irs |
I connected via irc.efnet.pl |
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01:59
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nickname |
python booleans |
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joepie91 |
kyan: excellent. the torrent for that crashed my client... |
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01:59
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nickname |
what client? |
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01:59
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kyan |
joepie91: are you being sarcastic? |
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kyan |
:P |
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01:59
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joepie91 |
qBittorrent. |
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01:59
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joepie91 |
no |
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01:59
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joepie91 |
lol |
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01:59
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nickname |
Oh okay |
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02:00
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kyan |
excellent, then, because you can download over http? |
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joepie91 |
crap |
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nickname |
no wait really, what client? |
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02:00
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joepie91 |
running out of space again.. |
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02:00
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joepie91 |
nickname: qBittorrent... |
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nickname |
That's a good client |
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* |
joepie91 looks for stuff to clean up |
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kyan |
Huh, but it's crashy with big torrents? |
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02:01
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kyan |
Not for me then... |
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sag47_irs |
joepie91: if you're on Windows you could use something like ccleaner. |
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02:01
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joepie91 |
no, just this one torrent |
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02:01
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joepie91 |
but it works now |
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02:01
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* |
kyan has a quarter-terabyte torrent running now... |
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02:01
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joepie91 |
sag47_irs: not on Windows, and I strongly doubt that CCleaner would matter here even in the slightest. |
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02:01
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nickname |
It's no fancy command line ultimate customization client, but its no uTorrent |
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sag47_irs |
Linux? |
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02:01
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joepie91 |
yes. |
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02:01
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sag47_irs |
Distro? |
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02:01
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joepie91 |
openSUSE |
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nickname |
y u no point linux |
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02:02
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sag47_irs |
Nice, I liked it when I used it. Though, I had a hard time with yast at times. |
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02:02
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nickname |
*Why *you *don't you use *? |
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kyan |
"Download CCleaner for free - the world's leading PC Cleaner and Optimization Tool." HAHAHA yep, it'll Optimize your computer for being in a botnet, I'll bet |
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02:02
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nickname |
What is yast? |
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joepie91 |
kyan: CCleaner is (or at least, was) legitimate software |
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sag47_irs |
yast is the package manager, and I do use Linux. |
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joepie91 |
kyan: but it's not going to help here |
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sag47_irs |
It's still legit. |
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02:03
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nickname |
But apt-get is fine |
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sag47_irs |
Along with decrapifier and a number of other softwares. |
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kyan |
A trialware computer cleaner? No chance I'm installing that |
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02:03
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kyan |
(not that I'm on Windows anyway) |
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nickname |
It's not that bad... |
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joepie91 |
trialware? |
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sag47_irs |
Some of them you have to be careful about install options, though. Or just use Linux ;) |
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joepie91 |
... wow, okay then |
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joepie91 |
so apparently ccleaner is no longer freeware |
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joepie91 |
well, fuck that |
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02:04
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sag47_irs |
You can still get copies from filehippo. |
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aaaaaaaaa |
https://www.piriform.com/ccleaner |
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sag47_irs |
Of older freeware versions. |
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aaaaaaaaa |
they have both |
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kyan |
Bleachbit is the only thing I'll use |
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joepie91 |
yes, ie. not freeware |
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nickname |
I'm stuck on the ugly, horrible, disgusting, bug-ridden, backdoor-trodden, backlash-starting, privacy-hole-covered, Windows [euphemism-ing] 10 |
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kyan |
Libre, and works on Windows and Linux |
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nickname |
brb connecting and disconnecting |
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joepie91 |
wtf is nickname doing |
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joepie91 |
nickname: wtf are you doing |
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joepie91 |
lol |
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nickname |
I use web chat, and it doesn't auto scroll for new messages and thus my replies are delayed |
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sag47_irs |
kyan: libre link? |
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joepie91 |
nickname: so, don't use webchat? |
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* |
sag47_irs curious |
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kyan |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BleachBit |
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nickname |
LibreOffice |
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nickname |
is greater then |
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nickname |
OpenOffice |
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kyan |
...wut? |
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kyan |
I mean, it is, but... |
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joepie91 |
nickname: this doesn't really have anything to do with the topic at hand.. |
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nickname |
yeah i know sorry |
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sag47_irs |
I think I'm getting confused haha |
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kyan |
Then again, this is -bs |
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nickname |
Now we need #archiveteam-bs-bs |
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sag47_irs |
any of you guys/gals develop software? |
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joepie91 |
yes. |
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nickname |
We're clogging the waste tube... |
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nickname |
somewhat |
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sag47_irs |
free software or just at work? |
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kyan |
I often hack things together for myself |
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kyan |
stick em on github |
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sag47_irs |
or both :) |
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sag47_irs |
Yeah, I do a lot of that. |
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nickname |
I throw html in a blender |
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joepie91 |
sag47_irs: both - I only develop open-source software, whether paid or unpaid |
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kyan |
but they're not exactly professionally done, given that I'm largely self-taught at programming |
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sag47_irs |
That's pretty nice. |
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joepie91 |
blah. I need more storage space.. |
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sag47_irs |
A friend of mine works for Canonical. They're 99% open source. |
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sag47_irs |
I am about 50% open/closed. |
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joepie91 |
sag47_irs: meh, Canonical. |
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nickname |
My stuff is licensed under the NGPL (Not A G-you-know-what License) |
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sag47_irs |
I'd rather be 100% open. |
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nickname |
don't remind me of zeitgeist |
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nickname shudders |
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joepie91 |
nickname: wut? |
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sag47_irs |
Gotta pay bills. |
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joepie91 |
sag47_irs: the two are not mutually exclusive |
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joepie91: better watch it again to be sure. See you in a few days. |
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sag47_irs |
I agree. |
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nickname |
Zeitgeist is the spyware of sorts in ubuntu, which is made canonical |
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nickname |
*made by |
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joepie91 |
aaaaaaaaa: lol |
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sag47_irs |
However, not all companies embrace it and I'm not in to free lancing. |
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nickname |
brb |
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joepie91 |
zeitgeist is not exactly spyware |
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joepie91 |
as such |
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joepie91 |
.... |
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kyan |
joepie91, you only work on open source, or libre software? http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html |
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joepie91 |
nickname: please just get a proper client, this is starting to get somewhat irritating |
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nickname |
no |
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joepie91 |
yes |
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joepie91 |
I am not going to repeat everything every 5 minutes |
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sag47_irs |
nickname: you on Linux or Mac? |
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nickname |
Windows :( |
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nickname |
brb |
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sag47_irs |
Pidgin - it's an IRC client. |
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joepie91 |
kyan: open-source. the GPL is what is missing the point, really. |
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brb |
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kyan |
Why? What's wrong with the GPL? |
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joepie91 |
kyan: it forces people to share something rather than to not share something, which is still force - and in the end, it doesn't even accomplish the stated purpose, and only gets in the way of other open-source projects |
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joepie91 |
kyan: the big parasitic corps can afford to say "whatever" and just use GPL software whether abiding by the license or not |
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kyan |
Maybe... but I think it's important to require sharing stuff |
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kyan: but in the meantime open-source projects have the biggest issues merging in third-party code because of license conflicts |
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joepie91 |
kyan: no, it isn't. |
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joepie91 |
kyan: it's important to ENCOURAGE sharing stuff. |
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joepie91 |
which is an entirely different goal that is accomplished through entirely different means |
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kyan |
(I'd really like a license that: requires attribution for derivative works, requires derivative works to be published under the same license, requires the works to be legally copiable freely, and requires the source to be made available when the software is made available as a service) |
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joepie91 |
the parasitic entities will ignore licenses anyway, so you're not winning anything by requiring sharing under the same license. |
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joepie91 |
it's the exact same story as for DRM. |
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joepie91 |
nice on paper, can't work in practice |
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kyan |
Hmm |
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sag47_irs |
Ability to enforce is key to anything on paper. |
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kyan |
The corporations that violate the licenses should be sued into oblivion, obviously |
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joepie91 |
kyan: and you're thinking of the AGPL, I'm pretty sure. |
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kyan: and they won't, because lawsuits cost money. |
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kyan |
Yes, that's what I usually license my software under |
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sag47_irs |
Depends, I like the GPL v2. |
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sag47_irs |
It saved a project (Magical Jelly Bean Software) from being forced into closed source. |
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kyan |
Yes, but I think the government should be in charge of the lawsuits |
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joepie91 |
sag47_irs: [citation needed] |
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joepie91 |
kyan: let's not. |
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sag47_irs |
Sure |
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joepie91 |
kyan: you are aware that the GPL is a legal hack to work around copyright, right? |
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sag47_irs |
http://ekeyfinder.sourceforge.net/index.php?lang=en&page=about |
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kyan |
yep! |
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kyan |
Why not? If the government sued the asses off everyone that violates free software licenses, what's bad about that |
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joepie91 |
kyan: so how do you think it's going to help to get governments to sue people for infringement? |
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joepie91 |
kyan: because a government CANNOT sue for free licenses alone |
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sag47_irs |
Recover Keys owner tried to force me to shut down the project but I had full legal rights to keep it up via the GPL v2. |
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kyan |
Why can't it? |
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joepie91 |
kyan: they would have to sue for ALL infringement |
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joepie91 |
and now everybody's fucked |
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joepie91 |
kyan: because you can never get such a law passed |
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joepie91 |
without infuriating quite literally all of industry |
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kyan |
So? I don't really care if industry's infuriated... |
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joepie91 |
which means it gets watered down to "all copyright infringement" |
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joepie91 |
and now everybody is worse off |
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joepie91 |
... |
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sag47_irs |
Also, GPL preserves copyrights, that's incorrect. |
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joepie91 |
kyan: what you care about is irrelevant |
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joepie91 |
it doesn't decide what laws get passed or how |
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sag47_irs |
The Linux Kernel is licensed under GPL v2 as well. |
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kyan |
And anyway, along with that, I would get rid of all laws preventing copying |
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kyan |
and require that all documents be made public and archived |
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joepie91 |
sag47_irs: I don't see what the ekeyfinder case has to do with the GPL. |
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sag47_irs |
Linus torvalds attributes success to it (I'll have to look up the interview where he stated it). |
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joepie91 |
sag47_irs: and the GPL *uses* copyright, it doesn't *preserve* it. |
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kyan |
Also: If it's irrelevant what I care about, then why are we talking? |
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sag47_irs |
The GPL guarantees rights to copy and share (like many licenses). |
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joepie91 |
kyan: because if you try to get something like this pushed into law, it will get watered down to the point where everybody gets fucked |
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kyan |
I doubt that that this conversation is going to have substantial implications for the state of the world |
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sag47_irs |
I was able to continue hosting the original GPL copies of MJB. |
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joepie91 |
kyan: can't the same be said about every discussion? |
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joepie91 |
sag47_irs: this is unrelated to the GPL. |
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sag47_irs |
Looser license would have opened me up to more risky litigation from Recover Keys. |
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joepie91 |
sag47_irs: every major open-source license is irrevocable. |
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joepie91 |
no. |
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nickname |
back |
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joepie91 |
that is wrong. |
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nickname |
now on ugly mibbit |
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kyan |
Yeah, but your argument is apparently that "if I want something that's impractical, than it's an idea not worth voicing" |
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joepie91 |
kyan: no. my argument is that if you want something that is only ever going to be implemented in a way that makes things worse, it is not wise to push for it |
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sag47_irs |
Keep in mind I'm not for or against license choices. Just observing the pros/cons. |
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nickname |
Oh boy arguing |
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joepie91 |
in conversation or otherwise |
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kyan |
Hmmm. |
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joepie91 |
sag47_irs: yes, and I'm just telling you that the supposed "benefit" you are talking about is in no way exclusive to the GPL or even copyleft licenses in generall |
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joepie91 |
it is almost a default part of any open-source license |
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kyan |
Why would it only be implemented that way? If the entire governmental system were replaced, then I'd think it would be pretty useful. |
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joepie91 |
permissive, copyleft, and anything inbetween |
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kyan |
And anyway, I think it's perfectly good to argue for things in conversation |
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joepie91 |
kyan: if the entire governmental system were replaced to the point where industry does not decide the laws, we wouldn't have copyright. |
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nickname |
Best license is NGPL (Not-a-g-you-know-what [Less Then Or Equal To] General Public License) |
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sag47_irs |
Yes, but it is a part of the GPL. |
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joepie91 |
kyan: thus defeating the point of the discussion AND the purpose of the GPL |
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nickname |
NGPL? no |
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kyan |
Huh? |
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aaaaaaaaa |
But what I don't understand is if all copying is legal, then why would the government give two cares about it suing people over copying? |
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nickname |
Oh sorry |
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sag47_irs |
And the GPL protections afforded me to keep it open. |
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joepie91 |
sag47_irs: and every other license, which makes it pointless to point at the GPL specifically |
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joepie91 |
sag47_irs: ANY open-source license would have done so. |
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joepie91 |
this is not an inherent benefit of the GPL |
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sag47_irs |
I think you're missing the point. Choosing an appropriate license is good for a project. But by saying the GPL is entirely bad is misguided. |
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kyan |
No, if we didn't have copyright, in my ideal world, the government would require everything to be published and archived freely, and punish anyone who doesn't do that. |
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nickname |
xyz v3 goes against xyz v3 YAAH YAAH |
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joepie91 |
sag47_irs: I'm not missing the point. I'm contradicting your points. |
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kyan |
In that situation, the GPL would be completely unnecessary |
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joepie91 |
sag47_irs: and you are failing to list any benefits of the GPL |
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joepie91 |
sag47_irs: and the one you did list, ended up being invalid |
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sag47_irs |
How so? I feel we've been in agreement this entire time. |
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joepie91 |
sag47_irs: if you feel that the GPL is useful for something, then tell me WHAT it is useful for |
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joepie91 |
don't just tell me that I don't understand |
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nickname |
Legality is weird, deal with it |
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joepie91 |
kyan: requiring publication is a bad idea. |
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sag47_irs |
Hmm, let me retry then. |
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kyan |
joepie91: Hmm, I disagree |
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sag47_irs |
The GPL has a place as a license where you want to keep your work open and share-able. |
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sag47_irs |
There are other open source licenses that do similar things. |
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joepie91 |
sag47_irs: it doesn't, because it doesn't work like that in practice. |
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sag47_irs |
And afford similar protections. |
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joepie91 |
sag47_irs: it's only useful on paper. |
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sag47_irs |
No, the Linux Kernel is a prime example. |
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joepie91 |
how is it>? |
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sag47_irs |
I'm not trying to convince you to use it. |
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joepie91 |
that's not an answer to my question. |
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sag47_irs |
I'm just saying I feel it has a place in the world and that I occasionally use it. |
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joepie91 |
how is the Linux kernel a prime example? |
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joepie91 |
answer the question instead of just repeating your assertion |
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sag47_irs |
It is a prime example because the sharing attributes of the Linux Kernel propagated the project source into what it is today. |
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joepie91 |
sag47_irs: can you provide a source for that? |
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kyan |
Anyway, a long time ago, I was pointing out that Spotify is the only free way to get a lot of music (generally the music that most people don't know about or like). That's why it's useful to have a Spotify DRM removal tool for offline listening. |
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nickname |
Look at this license: https://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=8eQNH6fe |
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joepie91 |
nickname: that's not an open-source license. |
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sag47_irs |
joepie91: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/COPYING?id=refs/tags/v4.4-rc3 |
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joepie91 |
it also looks horribly invalid. |
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aaaaaaaaa |
kyan: I'm afraid that train left the station long ago. |
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joepie91 |
sag47_irs: what about it? |
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sag47_irs |
You asked for a source. |
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kyan |
Yes, but I wanted to finish my rant :P |
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nickname |
What license is it then? |
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sag47_irs |
Are you saying the Linux Kernel is not a successful project? It's success is the prime example. |
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joepie91 |
sag47_irs: I'm asking for a source for your assertion that the Linux kernel is what it is today because of the license. |
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joepie91 |
you have not provided such a source. |
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sag47_irs |
s/It's/Its/ |
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joepie91 |
sag47_irs: no, I am not. I'm saying that you have not proven your assertion that it's because of the license. |
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joepie91 |
(and frankly, I very strongly doubt that you can) |
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nickname |
how long has this rant been going on |
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nickname |
yeesh |
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sag47_irs |
This conversation is going to cause more effort than it's worth so I'll leave it at that. I'm not interested in a holy war. |
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joepie91 |
sag47_irs: my point being to not make these kind of assertions unless you can PROVE causation |
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joepie91 |
it doesn't help anybody |
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nickname |
the waste is really flowing from the pipe |
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sag47_irs |
If you want to understand it better I suggest you research it more. |
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joepie91 |
and doesn't make you draw correct conclusions |
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joepie91 |
sag47_irs: bullshit. |
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joepie91 |
sag47_irs: you make the assertion, you provide the evidence. |
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sag47_irs |
I've done my research and those are the conclusions I've come to. You don't have to trust them. |
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joepie91 |
sag47_irs: then you have not done your research correctly |
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joepie91 |
because you've failed to support your assertion |
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nickname |
[shots fired] |
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kyan |
That can be said of all sides of the argument... |
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sag47_irs |
Yeah, I'm done with this convo. |
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joepie91 |
kyan: feel free to ask for evidence of any of my assertions |
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nickname |
Golly |
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02:27
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nickname |
Who has heard of conway's game of life? |
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02:27
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kyan |
anything anyone believes is a consequence of their experiences, knowledge, and understanding drawn from those. |
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joepie91 |
kyan: I'm not talking about "beliefs". |
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I'm talking about reason and facts. |
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kyan |
A fact is something that a lot of people have decided together that they believe |
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... no, that is not at all what a fact is. |
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nickname |
.-. |
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kyan |
I believe that it is, and that's a fact. |
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kyan |
I think on that note, this conversation is fact^H^H^H^Hfucked |
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nickname |
This conversation has degenerated into OPINION = FACT |
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joepie91 |
a fact is objectively provable |
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kyan |
Objective proof is just a bunch of people saying, "we see the same thing, and we agree about what it means." |
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joepie91 |
... |
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joepie91 |
no, no it is not. |
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joepie91 |
sorry, but if you start making up your own definitions, there's no reasonable discussion that can be had here |
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nickname |
According to Merriam Webster, a fact is something that truly exists or happens : something that has actual existence : a true piece of information |
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kyan |
Hmm :P |
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joepie91 |
objective proof in no way requires agreement; it only requires logical validity |
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nickname |
Welcome to the waste piepe |
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kyan |
Ok. So it's something that "truly" exists. How did one come to that truth? |
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nickname |
*pipe |
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joepie91 |
logical and ____ validity, forgot the word for the second thing. |
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kyan |
Oh! Logical proof, yes, indeed doesn't require agreement |
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nickname |
According to Merriam-Webster, truth is the truth : the real facts about something : the things that are true : the quality or state of being true : a statement or idea that is true or accepted as true |
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kyan |
Thing is, that physical observations, and such, cannot be logically proven |
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kyan |
Logical proof is only obtainable in the realm of abstractions |
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joepie91 |
for example, one can objectively observe that there are many known instances of GPL infringement in the embedded industry, and that the copyright holders have expressed their frustration at not being financially capable of filing suit |
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this part of the discussion seems to be fairly useless since it's stemmed from "[statement]" "can you explain why you believe this statement is true" "no, educate yourself" |
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nickname |
yada yada we can never feel anything -- everything is subjective -- existentialism -- etc |
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joepie91 |
which is a very strong piece of evidence for the fact that GPL enforcement against large parasitic entities is not viable |
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kyan |
Yes, that's objective observation, but can't be LOGICALLY proven, since it's not an abstract concept |
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joepie91 |
which in turn invalidates the logic behind the GPL |
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nickname |
gnu didn't knew |
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joepie91 |
kyan: hence [03:30] <joepie91> logical and ____ validity, forgot the word for the second thing. |
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sag47_irs |
punny :) |
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joepie91 |
kyan: the second being objectively observable data |
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kyan |
empirical? |
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joepie91 |
a more specific term |
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nickname |
public license breaks ends |
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joepie91 |
anyhow, the thing I described above re: embedded industry |
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joepie91 |
is an example of the thing I can't find the word for. |
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kyan |
well, logical validity and soundness |
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kyan |
but that's not at the same place in the phrase |
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they finally made the a priori and a posteriori distinction, whew. |
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sag47_irs |
Alright, then to clarify. I provided the Kernel as an example as a successful project that is used in many ways. The GPL didn't hinder it from being a successful project. You mention the GPL is parasitic in nature (a Microsoft statement originally from Ballmer). |
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"logical and empirical validity" is a fairly common phrase, though |
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nickname |
null and void poloroid |
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sag47_irs |
However, I pointed the Kernel out as an example because it shows a project can be successful under GPL and still be compliant. |
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kyan |
He's not calling the GPL parasitic, but the entities that misuse it parasityc |
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joepie91 |
sag47_irs: you are wrong. |
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kyan |
if I understood correctly |
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joepie91 |
sag47_irs: http://zfsonlinux.org/faq.html#WhatAboutTheLicensingIssue |
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sag47_irs |
Keep in mind that it's not 100% GPL, there are exceptions. |
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joepie91 |
[03:35] <kyan> He's not calling the GPL parasitic, but the entities that misuse it parasityc |
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nickname |
This discussion is like a lysol can, "99.99% open source" |
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joepie91 |
yes |
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joepie91 |
sag47_irs: the above example is hardly the only one. |
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joepie91 |
"GPL-compatible" is a thing for a reason. |
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nickname |
Windows-compatible and mac compatible doesn't include linux |
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nickname |
*correction: *nix for all of those iffy people |
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sag47_irs |
Nothing in my statement is wrong. |
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sag47_irs |
The Linux Kernel is a successful project. |
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nickname |
^True |
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joepie91 |
sag47_irs: yet it is not as successful as it could have been. |
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joepie91 |
thus the GPL has hindered it. |
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nickname |
^Subjective |
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joepie91 |
... |
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joepie91 |
nickname: I just provided an example. |
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sag47_irs |
It still thrived despite being a GPL licensed project. I think that's about as much benefit as I'll get from further discussion. |
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sag47_irs: so your argument isn't that the GPL doesn't get in the way, but that the GPL doesn't get in the way so much that a large project with hundreds of thousands of manhours can't become reasonably popular? |
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sag47_irs |
A lot of merit is due to the project itself and not the license. |
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joepie91 |
because that's a pretty damn weak argument for a license |
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sag47_irs |
A good product is a good product no matter what you license it under. |
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nickname |
Let's discuss this horrible license instead: https://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=8eQNH6fe |
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joepie91 |
and doesn't exactly speak for the GPL being a great choice |
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kyan |
Anyway, regardless of what anyone else says, believes, has proven, etc., I know I'm TOTALLY FUCKIN RIGHT! All the time! Because I'm me! #swag #yolo #win #rekt |
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kyan has won the argument |
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* |
aaaaaaaaa dodges the dropped mic |
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joepie91 |
sag47_irs: this is completely orthogonal to the original argumentt |
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joepie91 |
that the GPL gets more in the way of open-source than of parasitic vendors |
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nickname |
PSA: hashtags aren't for irc |
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sag47_irs |
It depends on your goals joepie91. Perhaps for the intentions of your projects it's not a great choice. |
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joepie91 |
urgh |
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sag47_irs |
It's still a choice none-the-less. |
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joepie91 |
this has nothing to do with my projects, sag47_irs |
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nickname |
Git out of here |
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joepie91 |
there is a KNOWN, DOCUMENTED, PROVABLE issue with licensing conflicts amongst copyleft licenses |
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sag47_irs |
And I'm saying one size does not fit all. |
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joepie91 |
including the GPL |
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joepie91 |
this is a KNOWN, DOCUMENTED, PROVABLE issue for REAL-WORLD SOFTWARE. |
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sag47_irs |
To claim something fits no size is short sighted I think. |
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joepie91 |
so what the fuck are you even talking about? |
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nickname |
metaphors |
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sag47_irs |
We're talking about project requirements friend. |
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joepie91 |
sag47_irs: you're just typing empty sentences now |
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sag47_irs |
When someone sets project requirements they have intentions for that project. |
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joepie91 |
you're not making any points, not making any arguments |
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joepie91 |
you're just making hand-wavy "whatever, it's all just opinions, man" statements |
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sag47_irs |
One chooses appropriate requirements for the project. One of those choices is the license. |
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joepie91 |
that have absolutely fuck all to do with the original assertion or discussion |
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nickname |
project requirements: brain, computer, and a project manager (like git) |
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sag47_irs |
If the goal is to keep the software free and share-able as a requirement then the GPL is a viable choice for licensing. |
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joepie91 |
sag47_irs: yes, none of which is in any way relevant to the discussion being had |
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joepie91 |
sag47_irs: no |
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joepie91 |
it is not |
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nickname |
What did I miss? |
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joepie91 |
for the reasons I have already outlined |
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joepie91 |
which you seem to refuse to accept |
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sag47_irs |
joepie91: you don't seem to be reasonable and are more interested in personal attacks. |
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joepie91 |
instead throwing hand-wavy arguments that don't really say anything |
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joepie91 |
and just repeat your original assertion WHICH I'VE JUST DISPROVEN. |
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joepie91 |
sag47_irs: I'm not making any personal attacks |
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joepie91 |
sag47_irs: I am pointing out the flaws in your reasoning |
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joepie91 |
or rather |
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joepie91 |
the lack thereof |
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sag47_irs |
Ok, you win. |
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joepie91 |
you are just repeating assertions |
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joepie91 |
yet fail to back them up |
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sag47_irs |
I lack the will to continue. |
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aaaaaaaaa |
I think you two have gotten way past the point of talking past each other. I'm not even sure you have the same topic. |
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aaaaaaaaa |
or that |
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nickname |
Please join #argueteam-gnu for any more of these discussions |
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joepie91 has an extremely low tolerance for this kind of "I will repeatedly shove assertions down your throat until you accept them" style of "discussion" |
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nickname |
Please |
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aaaaaaaaa |
kyan: can you even use spotify offline? |
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kyan |
aaaaaaaaa, you can with premium |
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kyan |
I don't have premiu |
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kyan |
so I use a tool to de-DRM it |
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kyan |
in theory |
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kyan |
of course I don't actually do that, since I live in America |
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joepie91 |
well, there went my focus. |
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joepie91 |
excellent. |
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aaaaaaaaa |
ah, that makes more sense. Didn't know they had a premium tier. |
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joepie91 |
150MB/sec read from external HDD< not bad |
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joepie91 |
and 110MB/sec from a WD Green...? |
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joepie91 |
what is this sorcery |
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kyan |
maybe the external drive has a red inside? |
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kyan |
:P |
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lol |
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you md5summed the net in half! |
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This has me both relieved and worried: https://blog.mozilla.org/advancingcontent/2015/12/04/advancing-content/ |
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myself: yeah, sorry for that |
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nickname_ |
is the old me still here |
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myself: shouldn't have stored these files on efnet's servers |
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aaaaaaaaa: haven't clicked yet. wild guess: marketing bullshit? |
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nickname_ |
what happened? |
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achip |
aaaaaaaaa: what does ".. focus on content discovery" entail |
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aaaaaaaaa |
that is what has me worried |
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joepie91 |
yep, marketing bullshit |
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joepie91 |
expect something worse |
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if it weren't something worse, they'd have no reason to be so evasive and vague about it |
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achip |
tile ads were a little weird, I can see moving away from that but I can only think of a couple ways that your browser can discover content |
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"Native tabs" they will open new tabs to sponsored content they think you are interested based on the ones you have open. |
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aaaaaaaaa |
bookmarks will randomly go to approved locations that sound like what you linked to. |
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aaaaaaaaa |
Dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria! |
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myself |
here I was hoping it would just sit back and say "nah man I'm fine" |
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myself |
but that's the other homonym of "content" |
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nickname_ |
achip! |
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aaaaaaaaa |
but I do love the writer's job description: "As VP of Content Services, Darren Herman is responsible for diversifying revenue and sustaining Mozilla’s mission through innovation in content and personalization products and services." |
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nickname_ |
I'm up to *mailman.stanford.edu/p* |
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nickname_: a server went down, nothing to worry about. |
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nickname_ |
wait what? |
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nickname_: re: what happened |
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joepie91 |
an efnet server went down. |
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nickname_ |
Oh |
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joepie91 |
aaaaaaaaa: ie. "I peddle ads and shit" |
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nickname_ |
That's why I had trouble connecting |
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nickname_ |
Now I'm stuck with qweb again |
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nickname_ |
"breadband" |
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nickname_ |
"breadband internut" |
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joepie91 |
compressed text files from 50GB to 2GB \o/ |
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joepie91 |
free space get |
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nickname_ |
How do you compress text files other then putting them in a zip (or tar.gz or tar.bz2 or rar or 7z or zip, etc)? |
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joepie91 |
disks slightly less full: http://sprunge.us/jRBP |
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joepie91 |
nickname_: zip |
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nickname_ |
What distro? |
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joepie91 |
openSUSE |
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Eh, I prefer lubuntu, point linux, linux mate, busenlabs and ultimate edtion when I'm feeling extra fancy. |
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hence openSUSE |
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shit just doesn't break |
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no matter what you update, upgrade, etc |
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I like point linux, it's stable |
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nickname: 04:15am up 123 days 5:54, 6 users, load average: 0.06, 0.11, 0.08 |
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stabble enough :P |
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stable* |
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well I'm cheating a bit, that's my laptop |
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desktop is 04:15am up 36 days 3:27, 1 user, load average: 1.78, 3.59, 3.66 |
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It's not like fedora, with it's bleeding edge-y-ness or like debian with it's extreme breaks of only security updates. Point Linux and Bunsen are in the middle |
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Chrome and AMD drivers do not like each other |
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Uptime: 2:23:27:29 |
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nickname: openSUSE is recent-enough out of the box, has a shitton of user repos (plus build service) if you need the absolute latest, shit doesn't break across updates |
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joepie91 |
perfect for me |
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what package manager? |
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zypper / yast |
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yast only if I want a GUI |
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eg. to search stufcf |
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joepie91 |
stuff * |
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I use zypper from terminal most of the time |
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well and 1 click installs load in yast as well |
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I stick with debian based because I like apt-get |
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nickname: zypper is VERY similar to apt-get |
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APT-GET MASTER RACE |
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except with more features |
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and it does RPM |
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but operationally, it's rather similar |
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is it like "zypper install vlc" |
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(I can't stand yum, personally) |
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yep |
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nickname: name an uncommon package, and I'll paste what the output looks like |
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nickname: nvm, thought of one |
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nickname: https://gist.github.com/joepie91/6195d879c5270a5ac6a8 |
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joepie91 |
(I don't run KDE, so lots of deps coming with it) |
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nickname: big benefit of zypper over apt-get is that zypper has actual dependency conflict resolution (giving you multiple choices) |
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whereas apt-get just throws its hands up in the air and goes "IDK MAN, NO CAN DO" |
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derp |
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yeah, I'm apt junkee |
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I know rpm/yum have like all the same features but I'm used to apt and with ubuntu/etc popularity there are usually always .deb packages for everything |
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the only thing I've ran into that didn't have a .deb is adobe media server |
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joepie91: is there any advantage over aptitude? That's what I usually use... |
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fie: that doesn't really have anything to do with the package manager, though. |
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Ok, so what is it that the other one can do that dpkg/apt cannot? |
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butts |
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CatButts |
[#archiveteam-bs] <fie> CatButts, http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/247144 |
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CatButts |
I hope I didn't miss something else, text went outside backlog |
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fie |
not that I am aware |
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fie |
just people talking about the game in 2003 |
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fie |
might try private messaging those people |
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I doubt anyone bothered to save that game |
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you all do know this channel has *two* public logs... |
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CatButts |
from those people |
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fie |
JesseW, ok? |
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so if you miss something (due to netsplits, etc) you can check them, rather than asking in the channel |
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point taken |
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:-) |
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http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/4726000/ngbbs4243a77e32861.jpg |
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Derives seem to be building up again. :( |
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There's some more of Docstoc uploading from me, btw |
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kyan_ |
not to the tracker or whatever |
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since it didn't upload right |
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since each machine can run so many concurrent |
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why not either |
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recode site-grab to have 2 executables, client and server(hub) |
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and treat the grabbers as clients as like a irc network |
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then you can link them up via client/server config |
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Grab-site-ing a site that estimates a penis size given a name makes it crawl a page talking about how long Robots.txt's penis would be :P |
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kyan |
IA blocked my crawler.... guess I was going too fast -_- |
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JesseW |
kyan: what crawler? |
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kyan |
grab-site |
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JesseW |
and what were you trying to grab from IA? |
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kyan |
1.1 URLs per second, 5 concurrency, no delay |
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kyan |
their wiki |
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JesseW |
which wiki? |
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kyan |
https://wiki.archive.org/ |
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JesseW |
it appears to require registration? |
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kyan |
I'll do it again at some point |
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kyan |
may I pm you? |
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JesseW |
sure |
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yipdw |
I get the feeling that that is not intended for public consumption |
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yipdw |
if that is true, that blocking is entirely justified |
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kyan |
Fair enough |
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yipdw |
like, I just signed up and I'm denied access to AFAICT everything |
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kyan |
No need to sign up |
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kyan |
everything there is available without registratino |
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kyan |
just click the LoginName link |
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kyan |
and there's a navigation toolbar |
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kyan |
that shows a small amount of public info |
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kyan |
just a few logos, as far as I can tell |
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kyan |
There may be more that is login-walled, but I'm not getting that |
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yipdw |
I don't have a LoginName link |
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kyan |
I've slowed down the crawl to 1 con / 500ms, and they've turned off the block |
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kyan |
from the same IP |
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kyan |
so I guess they don't mind too much |
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kyan |
On https://wiki.archive.org/twiki/bin/login/Main/WebHome?origurl=/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome |
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yipdw |
oh god |
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kyan |
which https://wiki.archive.org/ redirects to |
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yipdw |
you're getting all the stock TWiki pages |
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yipdw |
which are present in every TWiki distribution |
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kyan |
Well, they'll twickle in at my reduced crawl rate |
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kyan |
(that was a pun) |
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yipdw |
you're getting nothing that doesn't exist in any other twiki install |
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kyan |
There's this https://wiki.archive.org/twiki/bin/view/IAFCU/WebHome |
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kyan |
It's not that much data, anyway |
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yipdw |
whatever I'm not going to argue this |
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kyan |
:P |
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kyan is a militant archivist |
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kyan |
...very militant |
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yipdw |
I'd use other words |
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kyan |
like, obsessive-compulsive? |
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yipdw |
misdirected |
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kyan |
That's probably fairly accurate |
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kyan |
Hmm, perhaps |
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I think that's a matter of perspective, though |
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I wonder how my thoughts on archival will change as I get older though |
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kyan |
maybe I'll see where the rest of the world is coming from. Hard to say, but it's interesting to consider |
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kyan |
I think I'm a fairly useful archivist, though, misdirected or not; I've gotten quite a few views of my archives on IA |
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kyan |
so people have some interest in some of what I'm saving, at any rate |
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kyan |
In light of that, I just keep doing my thing. |
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yipdw |
which is cool |
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HCross |
I base my archiving on "stuff I find thats cool and interesting" |
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kyan |
I think one of my crawls has had almost 200,000 views, which is pretty fun |
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that's over a couple of years, though |
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yipdw |
it's just my view and lord knows I'm hardly consistent or perfectly directed at all |
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yipdw |
so there's no need to justify anything |
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JesseW agrees with yipdw in this case (both about it being misdirected, and not worth arguing over) |
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I would want to justify if I piped /dev/urandom into IA for a petabyte |
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just sayin |
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kyan |
Regardless, such is life :P |
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oh god, now someone mentioned it -- now there will be /porn/ of piping a petabyte of /dev/urandom into IA |
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kyan |
ewww. |
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JesseW |
nodnodnodnod |
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yipdw |
hey if gets you off it's coo |
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yipdw |
also me saying "misdirected" in an archive team channel is superbly rich given the origins of all of this |
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yipdw |
ANYWAY |
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yipdw done |
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