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JesseW |
hm, didn't realize chfoo and alard worked on archivebot |
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yipdw |
they didn't directly |
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yipdw |
chfoo wrote wpull, alard added Lua support to wget; ArchiveBot was built initially on #1 and moved to #2 |
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yipdw |
well |
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JesseW |
Ah, makes sense. |
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yipdw |
chfoo has a few commits in there probably, I can't remember the history |
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yipdw |
oh wait of course chfoo does, the viewer |
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ah, is that why the viewer is running on a different server? |
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yipdw |
yeah |
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JesseW is meaning to make some contributions to the viewer -- adding more detailed look into the WARCs... |
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yipdw |
the first archive was a CouchDB instance but it never really got a good UI |
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JesseW |
first archive of archivebot material? |
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yipdw |
archive of saved stuf |
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yipdw |
f |
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JesseW |
hm -- did it make it up to IA? If so, what's the identifier? |
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yipdw |
it never made it to IA -- the couchdb instance is still on archivebot-proto2 |
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yipdw |
the viewer is better in all respects anyway, so the couchdb instance is just gonna die |
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yipdw |
at least IMO, an older and harder-to-navigate index that is a subset of a better index has objectively zero historical value |
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JesseW |
archivebot-proto2 what? |
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JesseW |
Ah, it's a subset of the viewer's index? |
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yipdw |
archivebot-proto2 is the hostname of archivebot.at.ninjawedding.org |
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yipdw |
yeah |
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JesseW |
Oh, I thought it was a collection of earlier-saved *material*, not just an earlier index of the same contents of the archiveteam-fire collection. |
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yipdw |
oh no |
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yipdw |
well |
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yipdw |
so, there was an earlier set of stuff on a server that GLaDOS was running |
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yipdw |
I think all of it made it to IA but I can't be sure |
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JesseW |
Hm, do you remember what identifiers it might have had? |
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yipdw |
before we had the fos -> IA injection process running, GLaDOS ran the staging server for archivebot |
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yipdw |
no idea |
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JesseW |
hm. Do you remember dates on that? |
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yipdw |
not offhand |
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JesseW |
https://archive.org/details/archiveteam_archivebot_go_001 is from 2013-10-19 |
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yipdw |
it would probably correspond to a diff on pipeline.py |
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JesseW |
ok, I can look there |
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yipdw |
oh hmm |
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yipdw |
no, it wouldn't correspond to a diff |
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yipdw |
we always read RSYNC_URL from the process environment |
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yipdw |
yeah, I'm not sure when. I can check IRC logs for when SketchCow brought up the idea |
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JesseW |
I can check there, too. :-) Also, the wiki page might help. |
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JesseW |
wiki page history, I mean. |
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yipdw |
possibly yeah |
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godane |
so i may get a media center package of raspberry pi 2 for christmas |
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godane |
it was one of the bundles on newegg |
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JesseW |
heh. what makes it a "media center package"? |
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godane |
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=0MJ-00CR-00013 |
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godane |
thats the usb dvb-tv tuner i'm also getting |
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godane |
i may get some local news for you guys with that |
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godane |
this is the media center package: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813300006 |
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JesseW |
So here's where SketchCow suggested the archivebot idea: http://archive.fart.website/bin/irclogger_log/archiveteam?date=2013-09-06,Fri&sel=1#l-3 |
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yipdw |
JesseW: yep, there's another conversation somewhere down the line where SketchCow talks about directly injecting stuff to IA |
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JesseW |
ok, will look |
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JesseW |
http://archive.fart.website/bin/irclogger_log_a/archivebot?date=2013-09-26,Thu <- earliest log (on fart) of #archivebot |
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yipdw |
it's probably somewhere in 2013-10 to 2013-11 |
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JesseW |
So I'm looking for stuff between (at earliest) Sept 6 and Oct 19, 2013. |
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yipdw |
oh wait |
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yipdw |
er, never mind |
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yipdw |
I thought the archivebot rsync module would have a create timestamp, but it doesn't |
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JesseW |
ah, the name of GLaDOS's old server appears to be http://dumpground.archivingyoursh.it/ |
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JesseW |
heh: http://archive.fart.website/bin/irclogger_log_a/archivebot?date=2013-10-02,Wed&sel=85#l81 -- well, that didn't happen |
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JesseW |
This appears to be the earliest job in http://archive.fart.website/archivebot/viewer/item/archiveteam_archivebot_go_001 -> "study.gaijinpot.com" : http://archive.fart.website/bin/irclogger_log_a/archivebot?date=2013-10-10,Thu&sel=47#l43 |
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I think GLaDOS would be the best person to ask about what might have happened to the stuff saved by archivebot before Oct 10, 2013. |
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consider that a ping. :-) |
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godane |
i found out about Black Desert MMORPG character creator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72rFa_TscYk |
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Were files from the telenor grab uploaded to the IA? |
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[17:55] <joepie91> this is very, very bad |
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joepie91 |
[17:55] <joepie91> http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/economie/home/brein-krijgt-gemakkelijk-toegang-tot-gegevens-illegale-downloaders |
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joepie91 |
[17:55] <joepie91> BREIN - the NL equivalent of the RIAA - can force a provider to hand over personal information of an "illegal downloader/uploader" without going through a court, even if there is simply a 'reasonable suspicion' |
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arkiver |
"ook wanneer het slechts aannemelijk is dat de verdachte inbreuk op de auteursrechten heeft gemaakt" |
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joepie91 |
yep. |
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joepie91 |
ie. reasonable suspicion |
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"De piraterijbestrijder kon volgens de rechter niet voldoende aantonen dat de klant van Ziggo doelbewust piraterij faciliteerde." though |
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joepie91 |
arkiver: I'm sure. the point is that it will no longer need intervention of a court |
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joepie91 |
which means you will get a sliding scale where BREIN demands more and more |
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joepie91 |
like they've always done |
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joepie91 |
so the entire "sufficient evidence" goes out of the window because the potential cost of not complying in a gray-area case becomes too big |
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joepie91 |
which is EXACTLY why it is a problem that it no longer has to go through a court |
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phuzion |
If the party that ia receiving the damages is the party that decides the damages, then there is never a chance that it can be fairly decided. |
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phuzion |
that is* |
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joepie91 |
phuzion: it's not about damages |
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joepie91 |
phuzion: it's about forcing an ISP to hand over data about their customers |
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joepie91 |
without court intervention |
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phuzion |
Ah, ok, got it, I was misunderstanding |
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phuzion |
Does anyone here use Flipboard by chance? |
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yipdw |
TIL the Navajo Nation observes DST, and because the Nation spans into Arizona, it observes DST even while Arizona does not |
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yipdw |
I wonder how tzinfo handles this |
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yipdw |
oh, I guess the recommendation is to use America/Denver |
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ersi winches |
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joepie91 |
~timezones~ |
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yipdw |
also the tzinfo comments should really be called A Brief History of Time |
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yipdw |
not sure if Hawking would like that but eh |
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yipdw |
these comments are fascinating |
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ersi |
are they... timeless |
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yipdw |
I guess they are until some publisher decides to take down tzinfo again |
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ersi |
guess time will tell |
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yipdw |
is it pun time now |
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ersi |
yah |
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ersi |
of epoch proportions |
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yipdw |
you keep this up and I'm gonna have to clean your clock |
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joepie91 |
yipdw: ... take down? |
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joepie91 |
lol |
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joepie91: yeah, there was that 2011 lawsuit |
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joepie91 |
wat? |
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phuzion |
joepie91: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tz_database#2011_lawsuit |
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joepie91 |
... |
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phuzion |
tl;dr: some company sued the people involved with the database. The EFF got involved, and the plaintiffs went "oh nevermind, sorry, forget we sued you" withdrew their case, and agreed to never sue them again |
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joepie91 |
hahaha |
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phuzion: I like the clever Wikipedia editing |
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joepie91 |
This lawsuit was resolved on February 22, 2012 after the involvement of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, when Astrolabe “voluntarily” moved to dismiss the lawsuit without having ever served the defendants and agreed to a covenant not to sue in the future.[30] |
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joepie91 |
those quotes |
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joepie91 |
you can defend them as being a quote |
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joepie91 |
but everybody who reads it, knows they are meant as airquotes |
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joepie91 |
lol |
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phuzion |
It's kinda hard to involuntarily file a motion to dismiss |
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yipdw |
I guess you could say that Astrolabe had a bad time |
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xmc |
this is excellent, do not stop |
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ersi winds up the conversation |
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ersi |
keep going |
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asdf |
https://pnacl-amiga-emulator.appspot.com/ |
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ersi |
don't... zone out |
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yipdw |
I'm actually starting to run out of time |
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yipdw |
puns |
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phuzion |
"You see, your honor, I was walking through my kitchen, and I accidentally slipped on this cooking oil on the floor, and this pen fell into my hand from nowhere and I accidentally wrote this motion to dismiss. Fortunately, I got control of myself. But the dog then came running into the house, which scared me, and I accidentally folded the motion to dismiss, put it in an envelope, addressed and stamped the envelope, and dropped it into the mailbox |
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phuzion |
. As such, the motion to dismiss was involuntary and I would like it taken back." |
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that sentence would make more sense if "voluntary" was moved after the word "dismiss" as that is modifies that word, no "moved" I wonder if someone changed that sentence because they didn't understand that. |
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or if they were aiming for the air quotes effect. |
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is there any website where you can add whichever twitter accounts you like and make it behave like a read-only twitter? |
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can't you just do that with twitter? |
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Unless I'm mistaken, they don't require you to tweet anything. |
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asdf: if you create a Twitter list, and make it public, it's read-only Twitter unless you're logged in |
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yeah unless you're over tor and they nuke your acct within half an hour |
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dashcloud, using twitter plain without posting messages would be good, ideal, but, not over tor |
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that's basically the reason I asked. |
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